to bread, or not to bread?

[Guest guest]

dAN, wHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE ABOUT PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO EATING MEAT

ETC., BUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT MOST OF THEM ONLY LIVED TO THE AGE OF

ABOUT 35. dISEASE WAS A PART OF THIS, BUT i WONDER IF EATING HABITS HAD

ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT TOO.

Re: to bread, or not to bread?

There is no question that most people in America eat too much, I've no

argument whatever with that. It seems that the fast food industry and

restaurants in general vie with each other to provide the largest

portions. Classical French cooking involves small portions, but people

complain about spending $25 for small portions because they are mixed up

about the importance of taste versus quantity.

However, for most type two diabetics, good health and long term freedom

from secondary side effects of the disease will require a minimum of

carbohydrates.

There is a myth that is strongly held to about fat in the diet, it started

out as the proclaimation of a senator, not anyone in the medical

establishment, and has turned into a tidal wave of baloney.

Fat is not bad, we evolved eating it, and protein. The diet of humans,

before about 10,000 years ago, was mostly meat or, in season, edible

plants. The amount of meat in most places was up to 80% of the diet. This

is what we have evolved to eat, not processed foods, not grains, and not

legumes.

Most of us could do with an easy one third cut in our food intake, but this

should first be in carbohydrates, then in other foods.

Dan

[Guest guest]

LaWanda, I never said my credentials had anything to do with it, Rose

asked, I answered. Of course, it is my opinion. Everything said here is

an opinion. I would like to think that, however, it is an opinion borne of

study and research.

The fact that your sister has a masters in nutrition as I have and has the

opposite view simply demonstrates that there is ample room for all views on

this subject.

Nobody is required to agree with me, or even like me. I would not be true

to myself, though, if I did not speak as I believe best.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Dave, fat is good, protein is good, Carbohydrates are only good in very

small quantities, fiber is good.

We evolved eating fat, protein and fiber, and very few easily converted

carbohydrates like fruits.

Fats are not created equal, some are better than others. Butter is better

than margarine, olive oil is better than Crisco, fat from grass fed beef is

better than that from corn fed beef. But, fat is not a dirty word at all.

In fact, brain development for children, for example, requires

fat. Children on low fat diets suffer from a lack of what is critical for

proper brain development and it stunts their intellect for life.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The lifespan of people started to decline about ten thousand years ago,

when we began to live in cities and invented agriculture. I suspect the

shortening of life had more to do with the stresses of being packed into

cities than agriculture, however.

Good paleontological evidence shows that early humans often lived to age

70. This was not true of the Homo sapians Neanderthalis, but it was true

of many of our ancestors, including the earliest modern humans, Homo erectus.

It is believed that 35,000 years ago, the lifespan was between 60 and 65

years on average, and they were definitely meat eaters for the most part.

For good research on this, check out paleodiet.com.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Sure!

People make choices, and you have made yours, my complaint if you want to

call it that is that you are inflexible about your dietary beliefs, leading

a newly diagnosed person to think they must follow your plan exactly when

this could in some cases be dangerous.

I am bowing out of this conversation now, I have said all I can say, no need

to further prolong the agony some may be having with this topic.

Rose Combs

rosecombs@...

RE: to bread, or not to bread?

Rose, how about a Master's degree in nutrition?

You are free to dislike me and what I say, we have that freedom and I am

glad of it, but if you really want to present evidence to prove me wrong,

come forth with it and don't ask about my credentials.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Rose, the only time a low carbohydrate diet could be dangerous is for a

person with liver or kidney damage, and I am always careful to say that.

In no other case could a low carbohydrate diet be dangerous for a type two

diabetic.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Okay, appreciate the insight. Now about the evolved part, well. . .let's

say this discussion about diabetes is much more scientific. <smile> Given

another context, I'd enjoy discussing the idea that humans (all 2 of them)

were originally designed as vegetarians. This might lend itself to the

belief that fat from meat may infact not be ideal for our consumption. And,

as far as young children needing fat for proper brain developement, which I

have no reason to believe is not true, could mother's milk, given a very

healthy mother, produce the necessary component. Sorry, I am heading this

off topic, but perhaps a little discussion about this would be okay. Btw, I

am not a vegetarian.

Dave

Re: to bread, or not to bread?

> Dave, fat is good, protein is good, Carbohydrates are only good in very

> small quantities, fiber is good.

>

> We evolved eating fat, protein and fiber, and very few easily converted

> carbohydrates like fruits.

>

> Fats are not created equal, some are better than others. Butter is better

> than margarine, olive oil is better than Crisco, fat from grass fed beef

is

> better than that from corn fed beef. But, fat is not a dirty word at all.

>

> In fact, brain development for children, for example, requires

> fat. Children on low fat diets suffer from a lack of what is critical for

> proper brain development and it stunts their intellect for life.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, mother's milk is indeed able to provide needed fat for the time until

weaning. It is quite rich in fat.

As to the evolution of man, let's not get into it here, for me, it is an

established fact, and for creationists, it is not. The reason it is

important is that it bears very directly on our diets and what our bodies

are designed to process most efficiently.

I fear we had better not go there, however.

Dan

[Guest guest]

---Hi Dan:

Personally, I do agree with you about the low carb way of life. I

dont say the word " Diet " because its not a diet, its a way of life.

As an insulin dependent diabetic, I know that for me, eating limited

carbohydrates does keep " My " blood sugar in better check and within a

normal range. Again, this is MY opinion and it works for me. As for

a vegetarian way of life? Iam a semi vegetarian. I havent eaten red

meat or anything that contains red meat (soups, gravy, dips, etc..)

in 16 years. Although the beef industry hates people like me, this

way of life also works for me

Diane

In blind-diabetics@y..., The Scarlet Wombat <coconut@m...> wrote:

> Dave, fat is good, protein is good, Carbohydrates are only good in

very

> small quantities, fiber is good.

>

> We evolved eating fat, protein and fiber, and very few easily

converted

> carbohydrates like fruits.

>

> Fats are not created equal, some are better than others. Butter is

better

> than margarine, olive oil is better than Crisco, fat from grass fed

beef is

> better than that from corn fed beef. But, fat is not a dirty word

at all.

>

> In fact, brain development for children, for example, requires

> fat. Children on low fat diets suffer from a lack of what is

critical for

> proper brain development and it stunts their intellect for life.

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Diane, I'm glad the low carb system works for you. I never advocate it for

type one diabetics because each of them has such a unique set of

circumstances. However, the book I have recommended here several times,

The Diabetes Solution by Dr. K. Bernstein, is written mostly for

insulin dependent folks and he advocates a low carb way of life, too.

In your particular case, you experience such violently wide glucose swings,

that I would be fearful to ever recommend anything, but I am glad low carb

works for you as I believe it surely would be better than the balanced

approach some offer. As with clothes, balance is a matter of taste. [smile]

Dan

[Guest guest]

---thanks Dan.

For those that are interested, Dr. K Bernstein has a great

and informative web site. I especially found the correlation between

short term memory loss and high blood sugar, very interesting. The

address is listed below:

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.htm

Diane

In blind-diabetics@y..., The Scarlet Wombat <coconut@m...> wrote:

> Diane, I'm glad the low carb system works for you. I never

advocate it for

> type one diabetics because each of them has such a unique set of

> circumstances. However, the book I have recommended here several

times,

> The Diabetes Solution by Dr. K. Bernstein, is written

mostly for

> insulin dependent folks and he advocates a low carb way of life,

too.

>

> In your particular case, you experience such violently wide glucose

swings,

> that I would be fearful to ever recommend anything, but I am glad

low carb

> works for you as I believe it surely would be better than the

balanced

> approach some offer. As with clothes, balance is a matter of

taste. [smile]

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I went to the site cited but couldn't find the subject you mentioned:

correlation between short term memory loss and high blood sugar. Under which

topic is it, please. I'd like very much to read it.

Thanks,

Walt

Re: to bread, or not to bread?

---thanks Dan.

For those that are interested, Dr. K Bernstein has a great

and informative web site. I especially found the correlation between

short term memory loss and high blood sugar, very interesting. The

address is listed below:

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.htm

Diane

In blind-diabetics@y..., The Scarlet Wombat <coconut@m...> wrote:

> Diane, I'm glad the low carb system works for you. I never

advocate it for

> type one diabetics because each of them has such a unique set of

> circumstances. However, the book I have recommended here several

times,

> The Diabetes Solution by Dr. K. Bernstein, is written

mostly for

> insulin dependent folks and he advocates a low carb way of life,

too.

>

> In your particular case, you experience such violently wide glucose

swings,

> that I would be fearful to ever recommend anything, but I am glad

low carb

> works for you as I believe it surely would be better than the

balanced

> approach some offer. As with clothes, balance is a matter of

taste. [smile]

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

---Hi Walt:

the topic that I mentioned is discussed under the heading " What You

Can Expect From Virtually Normal Blood Sugars " on the right side of

the main page. Double click on that heading and you will find it.

There is a lot of good info on this web site.

Hope this helps,

Diane

In blind-diabetics@y..., Weber Walter M <Walter.M.Weber@i...> wrote:

> Hi Diane,

>

> I went to the site cited but couldn't find the subject you

mentioned:

> correlation between short term memory loss and high blood sugar.

Under which

> topic is it, please. I'd like very much to read it.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Walt

>

>

> Re: to bread, or not to bread?

>

>

> ---thanks Dan.

> For those that are interested, Dr. K Bernstein has a great

> and informative web site. I especially found the correlation

between

> short term memory loss and high blood sugar, very interesting. The

> address is listed below:

> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.htm

> Diane

>

> In blind-diabetics@y..., The Scarlet Wombat <coconut@m...> wrote:

> > Diane, I'm glad the low carb system works for you. I never

> advocate it for

> > type one diabetics because each of them has such a unique set of

> > circumstances. However, the book I have recommended here several

> times,

> > The Diabetes Solution by Dr. K. Bernstein, is written

> mostly for

> > insulin dependent folks and he advocates a low carb way of life,

> too.

> >

> > In your particular case, you experience such violently wide

glucose

> swings,

> > that I would be fearful to ever recommend anything, but I am glad

> low carb

> > works for you as I believe it surely would be better than the

> balanced

> > approach some offer. As with clothes, balance is a matter of

> taste. [smile]

> >

> > Dan

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I found it. Thanks. I've book marked the site, too.

Walt

Re: to bread, or not to bread?

>

>

> ---thanks Dan.

> For those that are interested, Dr. K Bernstein has a great

> and informative web site. I especially found the correlation

between

> short term memory loss and high blood sugar, very interesting. The

> address is listed below:

> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernsteinarchive.htm

> Diane

>

> In blind-diabetics@y..., The Scarlet Wombat <coconut@m...> wrote:

> > Diane, I'm glad the low carb system works for you. I never

> advocate it for

> > type one diabetics because each of them has such a unique set of

> > circumstances. However, the book I have recommended here several

> times,

> > The Diabetes Solution by Dr. K. Bernstein, is written

> mostly for

> > insulin dependent folks and he advocates a low carb way of life,

> too.

> >

> > In your particular case, you experience such violently wide

glucose

> swings,

> > that I would be fearful to ever recommend anything, but I am glad

> low carb

> > works for you as I believe it surely would be better than the

> balanced

> > approach some offer. As with clothes, balance is a matter of

> taste. [smile]

> >

> > Dan

>

>

>

>