Re: Raun K. Kaufman et.al.

September 22, 2003

The Song is an analogy to how it feels to be immersed into the NT world and

forced to become a different person when you are autistic. In the song to me an

AS person is talking to NTs. NOT the other way around.

Lots of us go to all sorts of lengths to fit in, and we are still ignored- it is

very painful, we cry tears, we try to deceive the NTs into thinking we are

something else, we feel like we are being " bled " dry just to barely be accepted

and survive- and we are not accepted.

The song to me relays the pain and struggles we go through trying to fit into an

NT world, becoming someone else, losing or having to hide who we are- " dying " - a

part of us dies a little.

Some have said in the list that changing to NT styles has severely depressed

them and they lost parts of themselves they could not recover. said his

friend may be as depressed as she is because she was trying so hard to be NT.

It's like we're " going under " into some different persona and it feels like

drowning, and it kills us a little.

And just when some of us think it can't get any worse, it does- and we go past

the " bottom " we think we've hit. We miss cues, confuse what NTs really mean with

the lies they tell, and mix things up, and can't be sure of what we interpret

because we may be wrong, since we don't speak NT. Social demands get higher and

higher, and we are " daily defeated " by the NT world.

The " Drowning in you " - figuratively drowning in an NT world, that makes us be

something else we are not.

That's how it makes me feel. I did everything I could to fit in and the NTs

still rejected me and made me feel bad, not to mention how disheartening and

depressing it was to be NT, and force myself to do that crap. The worst of it

was to realize that if I did get any positive feedback, it wasn't because of me,

it was because of the lies I told NTs that made them happy- they wanted nothing

to do with who I really was, and it hurt very much, and made me feel worthless.

Like Camille said, there is a heavy price to pay to " fit in " or barely try to

fit into the NT world. That is what the song is about to me.

Jeanette

RE: Re: Raun K. Kaufman et.al.

weird. i don't see it as ac at all. it reminds me of the martyrs on some of

the as partner fora, the kind who marry a good earner, and think they will be

able to live through him. when he wants no part of it, they weep and wail about

how horrible as people are and how much they hate this " disease " . eg : 50,000

tears I've cried screaming, deceiving and bleeding for you and you still won't

hear me..

very irritating.

Verse 1

Now I will tell you what I've done for you...

50,000 tears I've cried

screaming, deceiving and bleeding for you

and you still won't hear me

(Going under)

Don't want your hand this time I'll save myself

Maybe I'll wake up for once

Not tormented- daily defeated by you

Just when I - thought I'd reached the bottom

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September 22, 2003

I'm with you jypsy... I am always talking about myself, and need to

remeber to ask others about them selves.... also am a master of changing

the subject back to me with out realizing it..... babble babble

babble.... I am now aware this is due to extreme nervousness in social

situations, and around new people.... but powerless to change it,

without feeling awkward and too silent.

but verbal is how I process everything and I crave contact with people,

so if someone stands there and listens, I will talk.!

dani

jypsy [ janet norman-bain ] wrote:

> At 08:56 AM 9/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>

> >The longer conversations are definitely more stressful for me unless

> I'm in

> >a really chatty state. I can't even count the number of times that I've

> >started to talk to someone, expecting it to only be a quick exchange, and

> >had it turn into a marathon chat. Ugh!

> >

>

> The more I talk the more I realize how *self-centred* I am and the more

> uncomfortable I become and wish I had never opened my mouth (or left

> home)

> in the first place.

>

> -jypsy

>

> ________________________________

> Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome

> Autism Spectrum Resources

> www.PlanetAutism.com

> jypsy@...

>

September 22, 2003

That reminds me,

Why don't you write a book jypsy?

Camille

> > > >

> > > > > we start to condition society

> > > > > like how Clay was conditioned at Autreat..

> > > > > handflapping is ok, smoking isn't

> > > > > society is starting to adopt the smoking part

> > > > > what are their logical issues with handflapping?

> > > >

> > > >Hi jypsy,

> > > >I'm not sure what you mean by " conditioned " .

> > > >To be fair, I've known since before the first

> > > >time I went, in 1999, that smoking was not

> > > >allowed. They also don't allow perfume, cologne,

> > > >or any other stinky thing, and I appreciate that,

> > > >as I don't like perfume. Many people have asthma,

> > > >or allergies, and it's only out of consideration

> > > >for others that we abstain from bringing those things.

> > > >In addition, since the 24th of July this year, it has

> > > >been illegal to smoke in ANY public place in New York.

> > > >I do enjoy Autreat, and recommend it to anyone here.

> > > >

> > > >Clay

> > >

> > > no, that's what I meant...

> > > PEI has been smoke free in public places since June 1st this

year

> > > The hospital here is scent free, cell phone free ....

> > > these are *rules* that society imposes on society that society

> > > gets conditioned to " socialdrinking " is " acceptable " , driving

> > > with a blood alcohol level of .08 is " acceptable "

> > > crying babies are accepted

> > > nursing women are no longer being forced into washrooms

> > > we don't need to hide either

> > > society can be conditioned into accepting that we are out

> > > there before they leave home too

> > >

> > > -jypsy

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome

> > > Autism Spectrum Resources

> > > www.PlanetAutism.com

> > > jypsy@i...

> >

September 22, 2003

>

> From: " Camille " <camclark@p...>

>

> > Chatty Aspie

> >

> > I wonder if Mattel would be interested?

>

> Hmm...when you squeeze her hand she could

>

> tell you the capitals of all the countries in the world

> tell you the name and year of every hurricane

> explain in detail the difference between effect and affect

> insist that you look at her doorknob collection

>

When someone says, " Hi Chatty Aspie, how are you? Nice weather we're

having. "

Chatty Aspie says, " Oh, look at the time, I have to go. "

Camille

September 22, 2003

Hi,

I love to save old junk and make it pretty. I have a small childs

chair that was made of lumber, it's really solid. I covered it with

my broken dishes and little vintage ceramic animals and other stuff.

(mosaic) It looks like an illustration for a Grimm's fair tale, sort

of inspired by the Bremertown musicians. I want to sell it, I've had

it for a few years now, made it to sell, but the economy is not good

now and I dont' have the nerve to approach shop owners. With the

grout it weighs a ton.

People really like it, the ones that have seen it.

Camille

> > > >Hi,

> > > >

> > > >Life laundry is a neat idea. I think we do better with less

junk,

> > > >emotional and material.

> > >

> > > I'm a bit of a laundry freak but Life Laundry.... I think Not!!

not

> > for

> > > this packrat!!!

> > > My emotional junk is pretty sparse but I'm queen of the " good

> > garbage "

> > > and I have a lot of cool stuff too

> > > when my son was packing to move to Toronto at one point he

stood in

> > the

> > > hall and looked around and said

> > > " you couldn't ever move out of here could you mom?! "

> > > when I was little I collected sugar packages

> > > then rocks, shells...... I just never stopped collecting neat

> > stuff....

> > > you can have my emotional junk but I like my junk junk

> > >

> > > -jypsy

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome

> > > Autism Spectrum Resources

> > > www.PlanetAutism.com

> > > jypsy@i...

> >

September 22, 2003

because I'd have to write " Volume 2 - What I meant in Volume 1 "

" Volume 3 - What I meant in Volume 2 " .....

-jypsy

At 06:36 PM 9/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>That reminds me,

>Why don't you write a book jypsy?

>

>Camille

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > we start to condition society

> > > > > > like how Clay was conditioned at Autreat..

> > > > > > handflapping is ok, smoking isn't

> > > > > > society is starting to adopt the smoking part

> > > > > > what are their logical issues with handflapping?

> > > > >

> > > > >Hi jypsy,

> > > > >I'm not sure what you mean by " conditioned " .

> > > > >To be fair, I've known since before the first

> > > > >time I went, in 1999, that smoking was not

> > > > >allowed. They also don't allow perfume, cologne,

> > > > >or any other stinky thing, and I appreciate that,

> > > > >as I don't like perfume. Many people have asthma,

> > > > >or allergies, and it's only out of consideration

> > > > >for others that we abstain from bringing those things.

> > > > >In addition, since the 24th of July this year, it has

> > > > >been illegal to smoke in ANY public place in New York.

> > > > >I do enjoy Autreat, and recommend it to anyone here.

> > > > >

> > > > >Clay

> > > >

> > > > no, that's what I meant...

> > > > PEI has been smoke free in public places since June 1st this

>year

> > > > The hospital here is scent free, cell phone free ....

> > > > these are *rules* that society imposes on society that society

> > > > gets conditioned to " socialdrinking " is " acceptable " , driving

> > > > with a blood alcohol level of .08 is " acceptable "

> > > > crying babies are accepted

> > > > nursing women are no longer being forced into washrooms

> > > > we don't need to hide either

> > > > society can be conditioned into accepting that we are out

> > > > there before they leave home too

> > > >

> > > > -jypsy

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome

> > > > Autism Spectrum Resources

> > > > www.PlanetAutism.com

> > > > jypsy@i...

> > >

September 22, 2003

No, no, you're misunderstanding me. It wasn't your fault, it

was ME who misunderstood your original post! Hence the quoting

of nne nnadanna, who was always misunderstanding things

and going off on a tangent. Don't you remember her? - on Saturday

Night Live, Gilda Radner. (And there are getting to be too many

wakas at the bottom of this thread - the paragraphs are breaking up.)

Clay 8<{)

jypsy wrote:

> because I'd have to write " Volume 2 - What I meant in Volume 1 "

> " Volume 3 - What I meant in Volume 2 " .....

>

> -jypsy

>

> At 06:36 PM 9/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

> >That reminds me,

> >Why don't you write a book jypsy?

> >

> >Camille

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > we start to condition society

> > > > > > > like how Clay was conditioned at Autreat..

> > > > > > > handflapping is ok, smoking isn't

> > > > > > > society is starting to adopt the smoking part

> > > > > > > what are their logical issues with handflapping?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hi jypsy,

> > > > > >I'm not sure what you mean by " conditioned " .

> > > > > >To be fair, I've known since before the first

> > > > > >time I went, in 1999, that smoking was not

> > > > > >allowed. They also don't allow perfume, cologne,

> > > > > >or any other stinky thing, and I appreciate that,

> > > > > >as I don't like perfume. Many people have asthma,

> > > > > >or allergies, and it's only out of consideration

> > > > > >for others that we abstain from bringing those things.

> > > > > >In addition, since the 24th of July this year, it has

> > > > > >been illegal to smoke in ANY public place in New York.

> > > > > >I do enjoy Autreat, and recommend it to anyone here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Clay

> > > > >

> > > > > no, that's what I meant...

> > > > > PEI has been smoke free in public places since June 1st this

> >year

> > > > > The hospital here is scent free, cell phone free ....

> > > > > these are *rules* that society imposes on society that

society

> > > > > gets conditioned to " socialdrinking " is " acceptable " ,

driving

> > > > > with a blood alcohol level of .08 is " acceptable "

> > > > > crying babies are accepted

> > > > > nursing women are no longer being forced into washrooms

> > > > > we don't need to hide either

> > > > > society can be conditioned into accepting that we are out

> > > > > there before they leave home too

> > > > >

> > > > > -jypsy

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome

> > > > > Autism Spectrum Resources

> > > > > www.PlanetAutism.com

> > > > > jypsy@i...

> > > >

September 22, 2003

Hi,

And " What I really meant to say when I wrote in volume 2 what I meant

to say in volume 1 in volume 3.... "

Actually, your website is very good and flexible in a way that a book

is not.

Camille

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > we start to condition society

> > > > > > > like how Clay was conditioned at Autreat..

> > > > > > > handflapping is ok, smoking isn't

> > > > > > > society is starting to adopt the smoking part

> > > > > > > what are their logical issues with handflapping?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hi jypsy,

> > > > > >I'm not sure what you mean by " conditioned " .

> > > > > >To be fair, I've known since before the first

> > > > > >time I went, in 1999, that smoking was not

> > > > > >allowed. They also don't allow perfume, cologne,

> > > > > >or any other stinky thing, and I appreciate that,

> > > > > >as I don't like perfume. Many people have asthma,

> > > > > >or allergies, and it's only out of consideration

> > > > > >for others that we abstain from bringing those things.

> > > > > >In addition, since the 24th of July this year, it has

> > > > > >been illegal to smoke in ANY public place in New York.

> > > > > >I do enjoy Autreat, and recommend it to anyone here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Clay

> > > > >

> > > > > no, that's what I meant...

> > > > > PEI has been smoke free in public places since June 1st this

> >year

> > > > > The hospital here is scent free, cell phone free ....

> > > > > these are *rules* that society imposes on society that

society

> > > > > gets conditioned to " socialdrinking " is " acceptable " ,

driving

> > > > > with a blood alcohol level of .08 is " acceptable "

> > > > > crying babies are accepted

> > > > > nursing women are no longer being forced into washrooms

> > > > > we don't need to hide either

> > > > > society can be conditioned into accepting that we are out

> > > > > there before they leave home too

> > > > >

> > > > > -jypsy

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome

> > > > > Autism Spectrum Resources

> > > > > www.PlanetAutism.com

> > > > > jypsy@i...

> > > >

September 22, 2003

Camille wrote:

>That reminds me,

>Why don't you write a book jypsy.

>

How about a chapter of a book?

I'm thinking that if we all put our heads together

that we could actually advance the state of knowledge of autism.

Ride the Music

AndyTiedye

September 22, 2003

I tend to talk like the people that I am talking to. When I was

in England I was surprised when I was talking to the guy that ran

the corner Post Office when I told him I was stationed in England

with the U.S.Air Force. He didn't know that I was an American! I

thought it was pretty cool!

When I was working at the the African American university I had

to tell the students not to use derogatory terms for each other

around me, because I knew that I would be spewing them out as

well, and it wouldn't be a good thing for a white woman to be

spouting racial slang.

Louis

From: Rakus

I take on the mannerisms of the people I'm with, and definitely

mirror them, but I'm not so good at accents. When I talk to

someone with a

southern accent I have to almost forcibly keep myself from

speaking with an

accent, but that's really the only one that I can fall into

easily. Most of

the time being around someone with an accent just makes me very

aware of

what my voice sounds like...kind of like listening to myself on

a tape

recorder.

The longer conversations are definitely more stressful for me

unless I'm in

a really chatty state. I can't even count the number of times

that I've

started to talk to someone, expecting it to only be a quick

exchange, and

had it turn into a marathon chat. Ugh!

September 22, 2003

My mother is a " garage-saler " . I, however, am an accomplished

" dumpster-diver " . I didn't purchase a single piece of the

furniture in my house, nor did I purchase my stove or

refrigerator. I also have a 51 " T.V that I got off the curb one

night. Of course it helps to be an electronics technician and to

have a fascination with re-upholstering.

The last time I moved I had to give away six television sets, two

freezers, a refrigerator, six armoires, four couches and a whole

lot of chairs.

My husband is happy that I have my minivan in pieces again, since

I can't cruise the neighborhood looking for " good junk " .

Louis

From: Camille

Hi,

I have some cool junk, some of it rescued from trash cans. I

am glad

that I have moved several times though, since it made me get

rid of

the marginally cool junk and the stupid junk.

You should see my pique assiette mosaics, they look a bit like

glued

together junk (broken cup and plate pieces and ceramic

figurines...)

Hey let me know if you ever have a garage sale!

Camille

September 22, 2003

Hi,

I'd like to see a book with lots of autistic voices. Aquamarine Blue

5, does, I think (never read it) but that's on the college student

theme.

Camille

>

> >That reminds me,

> >Why don't you write a book jypsy.

> >

> How about a chapter of a book?

> I'm thinking that if we all put our heads together

> that we could actually advance the state of knowledge of autism.

>

> Ride the Music

>

> AndyTiedye

September 22, 2003

Where I live (a major college town) about 1/4 of the population all

move within about 3 days (it's the way the apartments are rented on

the same lease), and since most of them are rich spoiled college

students whose parents bought most of the stuff they have, they don't

care about the stuff they throw away.

So I used to go bonkers on those days, cruising the dumpsters of the

apartment complexes at night, trying to look nonchalent as I drag

cool junk out of the dumpster enclosures to my car.

My son does it now. I don't have any more room for cool junk. My

son and his friend specialize in computer parts. They find cool

computer junk.

Camille ---lives in a two bedroom apartment with no garage

> My mother is a " garage-saler " . I, however, am an accomplished

> " dumpster-diver " . I didn't purchase a single piece of the

> furniture in my house, nor did I purchase my stove or

> refrigerator. I also have a 51 " T.V that I got off the curb one

> night. Of course it helps to be an electronics technician and to

> have a fascination with re-upholstering.

>

> The last time I moved I had to give away six television sets, two

> freezers, a refrigerator, six armoires, four couches and a whole

> lot of chairs.

>

> My husband is happy that I have my minivan in pieces again, since

> I can't cruise the neighborhood looking for " good junk " .

>

> Louis

> From: Camille [mailto:camclark@p...]

>

> Hi,

>

> I have some cool junk, some of it rescued from trash cans. I

> am glad

> that I have moved several times though, since it made me get

> rid of

> the marginally cool junk and the stupid junk.

>

> You should see my pique assiette mosaics, they look a bit like

> glued

> together junk (broken cup and plate pieces and ceramic

> figurines...)

>

> Hey let me know if you ever have a garage sale!

>

> Camille

>

September 22, 2003

Similar to my impression of the one from the Daredevil soundtrack ...

bring me to life

how can you see into my eyes like open doors

leading you down into my core

where i've become so numb without a soul my spirit sleeping somewhere cold

until you find it there and lead it back home wake me up inside

wake me up inside

call my name and save me from the dark

bid my blood to run

before i come undone

save me from the nothing i've become

now that i know what i'm without

you can't just leave me

breathe into me and make me real

bring me to life

wake me up inside

call my name and save me from the dark

bid my blood to run

before i come undone

save me from the nothing i've become

bring me to life

frozen inside without your touch without your love darling only you are the

life among the dead

all this time i can't believe i couldn't see

kept in the dark but you were there in front of me

i've been sleeping a thousand years it seems

got to open my eyes to everything

without a thought without a voice without a soul

don't let me die here

there must be something more

bring me to life

http://www.evanescence.com/music/index.html

RE: Re: Raun K. Kaufman et.al.

>

> weird. i don't see it as ac at all. it reminds me of the martyrs on

some of the as partner fora, the kind who marry a good earner, and think

they will be able to live through him. when he wants no part of it, they

weep and wail about how horrible as people are and how much they hate this

" disease " . eg : 50,000 tears I've cried screaming, deceiving and bleeding

for you and you still won't hear me..

>

> very irritating.

>

> Verse 1

> Now I will tell you what I've done for you...

> 50,000 tears I've cried

> screaming, deceiving and bleeding for you

> and you still won't hear me

> (Going under)

> Don't want your hand this time I'll save myself

> Maybe I'll wake up for once

> Not tormented- daily defeated by you

> Just when I - thought I'd reached the bottom

>

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September 23, 2003

Cerulean wrote:

>--- Camille wrote:

>

>>Hi,

>>

>>I wanted to add a thought about " acting NT " . Yes

>>it's a good thing

>>to do sometimes, it can help, if you can do it, to

>>get through

>>certain necessary transactions. I can get better

>>service by acting

>>NT than by being really myself, sometimes, maybe

>>most of the time.

>>

I was never any good at acting.

>>I think that is the best that any parent can hope

>>for in trying to

>>train an autistic child to cope with the world.

>>

>

>-----Hi Camille,

>

> You make a very good point. My son entered high

>school this fall, and he gets home completely drained.

> He still prefers to hang out/play ball with two

>neighbor boys who are two years younger.

>

I know that by the time I was in high school, I was nowhere near competitive

with others my age at any form of " playing ball " , and my athletic abilities

continued to fall further behind those of my classmates every year, because

I did not improve with practice and everyone else did.

When sports are the center of the social universe, as they were when I was

that age, inability in sports is a significant social handicap as

well. The fact

that you group together " hang out/play ball " suggests that this has not

changed.

There really needs to be more on the menu.

>With his own age peers, he's really uncomfortable, and it pains me

>to observe this.

>

For me, same-age peers were much more tolerable one at a time, for a

whole lot of reasons.

> On the flip side, he's really focused on his

>studies and intent on making good grades.

>

I was that way too. The grades got me into MIT, where I finally got to

meet other people like me

(and get a good engineering education).

Ride the Music

AndyTiedye

September 23, 2003

At 11:17 PM 9/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>I tend to talk like the people that I am talking to. When I was

>in England I was surprised when I was talking to the guy that ran

>the corner Post Office when I told him I was stationed in England

>with the U.S.Air Force. He didn't know that I was an American! I

>thought it was pretty cool!

On 2 occasion while hitchhiking through Quebec I found myself speaking

fluent French! The first time was a conversation with a guy in a gas

station/restaurant when I put my money in a pop machine (soda, soft drink

whatever) and no pop came out and no money came back.... he came over and

asked - in French - if I had put the correct change in - Now although I can

speak some French I am by no means fluent. I stood there in awe of myself,

somewhat detached, listening to myself spit out this conversation. Got my

pop in the end - more likely a juice. Bizarre....

-jypsy

________________________________

Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome

Autism Spectrum Resources

www.PlanetAutism.com

jypsy@...

September 23, 2003

I could do like Star Wars and start with #4...

-jypsy

At 01:13 AM 9/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi,

>

>And " What I really meant to say when I wrote in volume 2 what I meant

>to say in volume 1 in volume 3.... "

>

>Actually, your website is very good and flexible in a way that a book

>is not.

>

>Camille

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > we start to condition society

> > > > > > > > like how Clay was conditioned at Autreat..

> > > > > > > > handflapping is ok, smoking isn't

> > > > > > > > society is starting to adopt the smoking part

> > > > > > > > what are their logical issues with handflapping?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Hi jypsy,

> > > > > > >I'm not sure what you mean by " conditioned " .

> > > > > > >To be fair, I've known since before the first

> > > > > > >time I went, in 1999, that smoking was not

> > > > > > >allowed. They also don't allow perfume, cologne,

> > > > > > >or any other stinky thing, and I appreciate that,

> > > > > > >as I don't like perfume. Many people have asthma,

> > > > > > >or allergies, and it's only out of consideration

> > > > > > >for others that we abstain from bringing those things.

> > > > > > >In addition, since the 24th of July this year, it has

> > > > > > >been illegal to smoke in ANY public place in New York.

> > > > > > >I do enjoy Autreat, and recommend it to anyone here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Clay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > no, that's what I meant...

> > > > > > PEI has been smoke free in public places since June 1st this

> > >year

> > > > > > The hospital here is scent free, cell phone free ....

> > > > > > these are *rules* that society imposes on society that

>society

> > > > > > gets conditioned to " socialdrinking " is " acceptable " ,

>driving

> > > > > > with a blood alcohol level of .08 is " acceptable "

> > > > > > crying babies are accepted

> > > > > > nursing women are no longer being forced into washrooms

> > > > > > we don't need to hide either

> > > > > > society can be conditioned into accepting that we are out

> > > > > > there before they leave home too

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -jypsy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome

> > > > > > Autism Spectrum Resources

> > > > > > www.PlanetAutism.com

> > > > > > jypsy@i...

> > > > >

September 23, 2003

no, no, what I meant was....

-jypsy

At 10:16 PM 9/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>No, no, you're misunderstanding me. It wasn't your fault, it

>was ME who misunderstood your original post! Hence the quoting

>of nne nnadanna, who was always misunderstanding things

>and going off on a tangent. Don't you remember her? - on Saturday

>Night Live, Gilda Radner. (And there are getting to be too many

>wakas at the bottom of this thread - the paragraphs are breaking up.)

>

>Clay 8<{)

>

>jypsy wrote:

> > because I'd have to write " Volume 2 - What I meant in Volume 1 "

> > " Volume 3 - What I meant in Volume 2 " .....

> >

> > -jypsy

> >

> > At 06:36 PM 9/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

> > >That reminds me,

> > >Why don't you write a book jypsy?

> > >

> > >Camille