RE: Old fat lab with toen ACL

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Hi We have used OrthoPets for stifle braces and have been very happy. They even designed one that was water resistant for my own very active lab who was not a good surgery candidate so that she could continue to swim!Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerryDate: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:54:53 -0700To: <VetRehab >Subject: Old fat lab with toen ACL I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST. Thanks

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Thanks, do you have a number to call or e-mail address

Old fat lab with toen ACL

I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST.

Thanks

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There are a few different stifle brace companies out

there, however human literature has not found bracing to be consistently better

than not bracing in cruciate-deficiency. The modalities you have should

be useful and then finding ways to get her to use the leg and strengthen

it. I can provide you some additional information on conservative

management of these cases (designed based on human research and converted for

dog use). Let me know and I can post you the paper off line...(I’m on

another chat group and got in trouble recently for attaching a document to a

list-serve!)

Sincerely,

Laurie Edge-

From: VetRehab

[mailto:VetRehab ] On Behalf Of sammy_olson@...

Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:12 PM

To: VetRehab

Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACL

Hi

We have used OrthoPets for stifle braces and have been very happy. They even

designed one that was water resistant for my own very active lab who was not a

good surgery candidate so that she could continue to swim!

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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:54:53 -0700

To: <VetRehab >

Subject: Old fat lab with toen ACL

I

have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is

ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't

want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a

PST.

Thanks

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Laurie, That would be great E-Mail me at Nicol05@...

Thanks,

Old fat lab with toen ACL

I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST.

Thanks

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Hello Laurie,

I would also like a copy, please. My client's lab had a surgery that didn't go well about 3 years ago. While I got him back to at least use the leg to some degree he now has a lot of instability and DJD in this stifle. We have been discussing possibly a stifle brace, I just have no experience with it at all (I am a fulltime equine veterinarian who is just seeing some dogs for chiropractic and acupuncture on the side).

Thank you,

Hanna

Hannelore Geyer, DVMRossbach Farm Veterinary Services, LLD22108 Ruh RoadKiel, WI 53042hgeyer@...

Old fat lab with toen ACL

I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST.

Thanks

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Hi Laurie,

Can you please E-mail me a copy of the research? Thank you, Jolanta.

Jolanta Kandefer CCRA

Viera East Veterinary Center

5405 Village Drive

Rockledge, Fl. 32955

maharajrishi@...

Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACLTo: VetRehab Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:29 AM

 Hello Laurie,

I would also like a copy, please. My client's lab had a surgery that didn't go well about 3 years ago. While I got him back to at least use the leg to some degree he now has a lot of instability and DJD in this stifle. We have been discussing possibly a stifle brace, I just have no experience with it at all (I am a fulltime equine veterinarian who is just seeing some dogs for chiropractic and acupuncture on the side).

Thank you,

Hanna

Hannelore Geyer, DVMRossbach Farm Veterinary Services, LLD22108 Ruh RoadKiel, WI 53042hgeyerexcel (DOT) net

Old fat lab with toen ACL

I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST.

Thanks

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Hi Laurie!Could we possibly get a copy as well! Thanks!Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerryDate: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT)To: <VetRehab >Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACL Hi Laurie, Can you please E-mail me a copy of the research? Thank you, Jolanta.Jolanta Kandefer CCRAViera East Veterinary Center5405 Village DriveRockledge, Fl. 32955maharajrishiFrom: Hannelore Geyer <hgeyerexcel (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACLTo: VetRehab Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:29 AM Hello Laurie,I would also like a copy, please. My client's lab had a surgery that didn't go well about 3 years ago. While I got him back to at least use the leg to some degree he now has a lot of instability and DJD in this stifle. We have been discussing possibly a stifle brace, I just have no experience with it at all (I am a fulltime equine veterinarian who is just seeing some dogs for chiropractic and acupuncture on the side). Thank you,HannaHannelore Geyer, DVMRossbach Farm Veterinary Services, LLD22108 Ruh RoadKiel, WI 53042hgeyerexcel (DOT) net Old fat lab with toen ACLI have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST. Thanks No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. comVersion: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: 21/08/2008 6:54 PM

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Just so that people know...I am responding to these privately!

J

Laurie

From: VetRehab

[mailto:VetRehab ] On Behalf Of sammy_olson@...

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:42 PM

To: VetRehab

Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACL

Hi Laurie!

Could we possibly get a copy as well! Thanks!

Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT)

To: <VetRehab >

Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACL

Hi Laurie,

Can you please E-mail me a copy of the research? Thank

you, Jolanta.

Jolanta Kandefer CCRA

Viera East Veterinary Center

5405 Village Drive

Rockledge, Fl. 32955

maharajrishi@...

From: Hannelore Geyer

Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACL

To: VetRehab

Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:29 AM

?

Hello

Laurie,

I

would also like a copy, please. My client's lab had a surgery that didn't go

well about 3 years ago. While I got him back to at least use the leg to some

degree he now has a lot of instability and DJD in this stifle. We have

been discussing possibly a stifle brace, I just have no experience with it at

all (I am a fulltime equine veterinarian who is just seeing some dogs

for chiropractic and acupuncture on the side).

Thank

you,

Hanna

Hannelore

Geyer, DVM

Rossbach Farm Veterinary Services, LLD

22108 Ruh Road

Kiel, WI 53042

hgeyerexcel (DOT) net

Old fat lab with toen ACL

I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease

that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help

her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife

.. I have laser , acupuncture and a PST.

Thanks

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Me too please,

Thank you Laurie.

Carolynn Ross

cjsloft-rehab@...

>

>

> Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACL

> To: VetRehab

> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:29 AM

>

> ?

>

> Hello Laurie,

>

> I would also like a copy, please. My client's lab had a

surgery that didn't go well about 3 years ago. While I got him back

to at least use the leg to some degree he now has a lot of

instability and DJD in this stifle. We have been discussing possibly

a stifle brace, I just have no experience with it at all (I am a

fulltime equine veterinarian who is just seeing some dogs for

chiropractic and acupuncture on the side).

>

> Thank you,

>

> Hanna

>

> Hannelore Geyer, DVM

> Rossbach Farm Veterinary Services, LLD

> 22108 Ruh Road

> Kiel, WI 53042

>

> hgeyerexcel (DOT) net

>

> Old fat lab with toen ACL

>

> I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has

torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The

internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser ,

acupuncture and a PST.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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Date: 21/08/2008 6:54 PM

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Gee Laurie me too.

karen It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

I’d like a copy, too, Laurie –thanks.

Jarvis, DVM

From:

VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ] On Behalf Of Laurie Edge-

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:20

AM

To: VetRehab

Subject: RE: Old fat

lab with toen ACL

There are a few different stifle brace companies out

there, however human literature has not found bracing to be consistently better

than not bracing in cruciate-deficiency. The modalities you have

should be useful and then finding ways to get her to use the leg and strengthen

it. I can provide you some additional information on conservative

management of these cases (designed based on human research and converted for

dog use). Let me know and I can post you the paper off line...(I’m on

another chat group and got in trouble recently for attaching a document to a

list-serve!)

Sincerely,

Laurie Edge-

From: VetRehab

[mailto:VetRehab ] On

Behalf Of sammy_olsonhotmail

Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008

10:12 PM

To: VetRehab

Subject: Re: Old fat

lab with toen ACL

Hi

We have used OrthoPets for stifle braces and have been very happy. They even

designed one that was water resistant for my own very active lab who was not a

good surgery candidate so that she could continue to swim!

Sent on

the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

From:

" keith " <nicol05comcast (DOT) net>

Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:54:53

-0700

To: <VetRehab >

Subject: Old fat lab

with toen ACL

I have an old fat

lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace

that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put

her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST.

Thanks

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Please add me to your list, thanks Laurie

Pavlakos

jpavlakos@...

Re: Old fat lab with toen ACLTo: VetRehab Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:29 AM

?

Hello Laurie,

I would also like a copy, please. My client's lab had a surgery that didn't go well about 3 years ago. While I got him back to at least use the leg to some degree he now has a lot of instability and DJD in this stifle. We have been discussing possibly a stifle brace, I just have no experience with it at all (I am a fulltime equine veterinarian who is just seeing some dogs for chiropractic and acupuncture on the side).

Thank you,

Hanna

Hannelore Geyer, DVMRossbach Farm Veterinary Services, LLD22108 Ruh RoadKiel, WI 53042hgeyerexcel (DOT) net

Old fat lab with toen ACL

I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST.

Thanks

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Laurie,

It sounds to me that given the popularity of your info, it would be

well suited for the 'files' section of this listserv. I will have to

defer to the list moderators if this is an inappropriate use of that

section.

M

Marti Drum, DVM, PhD

Small Animal Physical Rehabilitation

Department of Small Animal Clinical Sciences

C247 Veterinary Teaching Hospital

Knoxville, TN 37996

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>

> Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACL

> To: VetRehab

> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:29 AM

>

> ?

>

> Hello Laurie,

>

> I would also like a copy, please. My client's lab had a surgery that

didn't go well about 3 years ago. While I got him back to at least use

the leg to some degree he now has a lot of instability and DJD in this

stifle. We have been discussing possibly a stifle brace, I just have

no experience with it at all (I am a fulltime equine veterinarian who

is just seeing some dogs for chiropractic and acupuncture on the side).

>

> Thank you,

>

> Hanna

>

> Hannelore Geyer, DVM

> Rossbach Farm Veterinary Services, LLD

> 22108 Ruh Road

> Kiel, WI 53042

>

> hgeyerexcel (DOT) net

>

> Old fat lab with toen ACL

>

> I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her

ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist

doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture

and a PST.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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>

>

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hi Laurie!

Would you be willing to send me the lit also? thanks so much!!

Karyn Carlson, B.S., C.V.T.

>

>

> Subject: Re: Old fat lab with toen ACL

> To: VetRehab

> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:29 AM

>

> ?

>

> Hello Laurie,

>

> I would also like a copy, please. My client's lab had a surgery

that didn't go well about 3 years ago. While I got him back to at

least use the leg to some degree he now has a lot of instability and

DJD in this stifle. We have been discussing possibly a stifle brace,

I just have no experience with it at all (I am a fulltime equine

veterinarian who is just seeing some dogs for chiropractic and

acupuncture on the side).

>

> Thank you,

>

> Hanna

>

> Hannelore Geyer, DVM

> Rossbach Farm Veterinary Services, LLD

> 22108 Ruh Road

> Kiel, WI 53042

>

> hgeyerexcel (DOT) net

>

> Old fat lab with toen ACL

>

> I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her

ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist

doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture

and a PST.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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21/08/2008 6:54 PM

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Is it possible for everyone who wants a copy of Laurie's study to email her

privately?? It's really a pain to download emails if you have a dial up modem

and you think it might be some info on an actual case when in fact it's a

request to one individual!! Thanks!

Carole

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

Please add me to your long list people who requested a copy of the information.

Thanks always,

Lesley

Old fat lab with toen ACL

I have an old fat lab with chronic liver disease that has torn her ACL. Is ther a brace that can be made to help her . The internist doesn't want to put her under the knife . I have laser , acupuncture and a PST.

Thanks

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