OCD

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On 9/11/05, cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

> > I don't know the details about LSD, but I do know that LSD induces an

> > extremely complex chain reaction and is not even circulating in the

> > system by the time the psychoactive effects take hold. I'm not sure

> > what a psychedelic dream is-- aren't all dreams psychedelic in some

> > sense? After all, dreams happen when one is unconcscious.

>

> It's just a colloquial description for a dream of a certain quality.

> Haven't you ever had one of those wild colorful ones that are so vivid

> they almost wake you up? Not quite a nightmare but almost?

Well I would just call a very vivid a dream a " vivid dream. " The only

special expression I've heard for a type of dream in this sense is a

" lucid dream, " which I guess is one in which you are in conscious

control of your dreaming self.

Vitamin B6 dreamatically increased the vividness of my dreams when I

took it for a while. Hitherto I had not been remembering my dreams

except nightmares for a very long time, and started having incredibly

vivid dreams I remembered every night. I don't take it any more, but

I tend to remember my dreams more than I used to now anyway.

Chris

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Lana,

She exhibits ones that he had and has overcome before she was born. He's

gone a long ways towards fixing his behavior.

KerryAnn , owner of NTOAMC

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From: " Lana Gibbons " <lana.m.gibbons@...>

> Does she exhibit the exact same tendencies as your hubby? Its just a

> thought, but she might just be learning the behavior from him.

>

> Sincerely,

> Lana M. Gibbons

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Chris-

>I presume so-- but in that case what's the point of isolating the EPA?

I can't tolerate CLO. It makes me staggeringly sleepy for days. I get DHA

in raw pastured egg yolks, though, and I take an EPA supplement, and

neither have the ultra-fatiguing effect of CLO.

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KerryAnn-

>I'm wondering if there's anything nutritionally I can

>do to help her.

I've read that OCD might be due to a specific infection, so supporting her

immune system would be one thing you could try. It also may be related to

digestive dysfunction, so putting her on the SCD (specific carbohydrate

diet) but with full attention paid to NN-type nutritional principles could

also be very helpful.

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> KerryAnn-

>

> >I'm wondering if there's anything nutritionally I can

> >do to help her.

>

> I've read that OCD might be due to a specific infection, so supporting her

> immune system would be one thing you could try. It also may be related to

> digestive dysfunction, so putting her on the SCD (specific carbohydrate

> diet) but with full attention paid to NN-type nutritional principles could

> also be very helpful

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Looking for something else, found this yesterday. FWIW, inositol is one of

the few B complex found helpful to metabolic protein types, who not only are

the more carniverous, low carb, hunter-gatherer origin types but also those

seeming more prone to these imbalance reactions.

Studies Support Inositol Use to Combat Mood Disorders

Inositol, a naturally occurring isomer (molecular variant) of glucose, may

play an important role in the intracellular " second messenger system " to

which several key serotonin receptor subtypes are linked.

Dr. Greenblatt of McLean Hospital, a Harvard Medical School teaching

hospital, is currently using inositol supplementation as part of the

treatment of patients diagnosed with depression, panic disorder, and

obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). Inositol's efficacy in the absence of

side effects reportedly makes it an attractive addition to treatment plans

for " specific mood disorders. "

Depressive patients show decreased levels of inositol in their cerebrospinal

fluid (Levine et al., 1997) and inositol has a similar therapeutic profile

to pharmaceutical selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) often used

to treat depression (Mishori et al., 1999).

Fux et al. (1996) brought about significant improvement in " OCD " patients by

administration of 18 grams/day of inositol in a random, double-blind,

placebo-controlled study.

Treatment with 12 grams of inositol per day (vs. placebo) has also been

shown to significantly reduce the severity and frequency of panic attacks in

patients with " panic disorder " ( et al., 1995) in a double-blind,

placebo-controlled, crossover experiment. The average number of panic

attacks per week fell from 10 to 3.5 in patients receiving inositol.

Recently, Palatnik et al. (2001) completed a double-blind, controlled,

crossover trial of inositol vs. fluvoxamine (Luvox®, Faverin®) in the

treatment of panic disorder that reinforces previous research that inositol

is effective in treating this serious problem. Fluvoxamine has side effects

of nausea and tiredness that often cause patients to stop taking it.

In this study, 20 patients taking inositol (up to 18 grams/day) showed

improvements on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Anxiety, agoraphobia scores,

and the Clinical Global Impressions scale, that were comparable with

fluvoxamine. In the first month of treatment, inositol reduced the number of

panic attacks per week by 4 compared with a reduction of 2.4 per week with

fluvoxamine, a significantly improved outcome (p=0.049). Side effects were

considerably less with inositol than with fluvoxamine. This is the first

comparison of inositol with an established drug for treatment of panic

disorder and suggests inositol may be just as effective as some drugs in the

treatment of this disorder, with fewer side effects.

Inositol is not considered an essential dietary nutrient, because it is made

in the body and is shuttled around to various tissues as needed.

Overconsumption of sugar, however, may disrupt the inositol shuttle system

and associated second messenger pathways, essentially leading to deficiency.

Often, the patients that Greenblatt treats are not able to make positive

dietary changes, but he has shown that supranutritional doses of inositol

are effective in treating illnesses even when the diet is lacking in some

way.

Greenblatt is excited about current research on inositol for treating mental

disturbances in children because it seems it sometimes can be used alone

without the need for pharmaceutical drugs. He is anxious to get the word out

to other psychiatrists who are reluctant to use a new and purely nutritional

product without the research to back it up. The body of published literature

on inositol in treating mental illness is significant, but it still has not

been incorporated into mainstream clinical thinking.

http://www.namiscc.org/News/2002/newsletters/AlternativeMentalHealth-28.htm

Wanita

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,

Thanks for your kind words,

To me OCD and other flexibility issues that develop in children with autism are

methods of asserting control. When control has been taken from the child in

other ways they begin to find very rigid and seemingly necessary behaviors to

help them gain some control back from you. The more these behaviors are

successful in regaining control over interactions the more they are strengthened

and the more severe they become. In my estimation you are dealing with a child

who very much wants to control your teaching setting and is using the one

technique that has found you willing to accept. I would focus on instructional

control. We recommend using a 7 step procedure to help you control the

environment leaving your child the ability to make choices. Some choices get him

what he wants and others do not. I would make the use of all of these

ritualistic behaviors as choices your child can use if he wants but I would make

sure that they never lead to more or better things (extinction). In addition we

will make the teaching setting so much fun that he will choose to not use these

behaviors in order to be allowed to stay with our teaching (The seven steps

explain how to do this in the most efficient and comprehensive way).

Once the child knows that he wants to be taught and that he has to behave

appropriately for you to let him participate, he will begin foregoing his OCD

type behaviors and begin using his extinction burst to find behaviors that you

will reinforce. Eventually these behaviors will become better and better

learning choices.

I have sent out an article about my 7 steps to instructional control over this

group in the past and will have it available in a book later this year. Maybe

you can find it in the archives. It was only a few months ago. If you have

more questions let me know.

OCD

I read your reply on manding. It was great, do you

have any suggestions on stopping the OCD we created by

getting language thru constant manding? HELP.

Desperate parent.

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For OCD issues I would combine both ideas and techniques from the previous

responses. I think it is important to look at the function of the OCD and when

it occurrs the setting events and how this might fit into an over all cycle of

behavior for the person in question.

OCD can be a problem behavior for many reasons or the stepping stone to a tool

box of functional behaviors for the person in question. I think it takes

careful analysis and observation to look at the pros and cons of what that

particular behavior may do for the person.

If you have any more questions or would like specific help with the OCD issue

please let me know.

Regards,

Partanen

Clinical Coordinator

Mid - Atlantic Behavioral Consulting Services land Office

www.ippi.org

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ann,

I'm wondering what test your doctor is running to screen for pandas? My DAN

recommended the Immunsociences lab viral test. My son also had strep and around

that

time he developed some OCD behaviors, including excessive chewing. We've done

an RBC

and his minerals look pretty decent (not pica) so now we're looking into pandas.

Right

now we are just always providing him with an appropriate chew toy. Please

e-mail me off-

list if you would like because I realize this is a biomedical question.

Thanks!

Leyane

. --- In , " and ann " <kevmac1994@c...>

wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Just read the post about OCD and I " m jumping in a bit late. I know this is

> an ABA board (The best one on the net I might add) but my son recently was

> diagnosed with a STREP infection. He also was found to have a strep

> imbalance in his stool test. There is a disorder called PANDAS (Pediatric

> Autoimmune Neurological Disorder Associated with Strep) whose symptoms

> include sudden onset of severe OCD and aggressive behaviors. As the levels

> in the body go up and down the behaviors can wax and wane (wain?). Just

> thought I'd throw this out there. If untreated it can lead to heart

> problems and other nasty things. Sorry for the somewhat off topic post but

> wanted to share what we are seeing in this regard as my son has had a

> dramatic change in behavior and a severe regression that came on out of

> nowhere and has correlated with finding these things out by way of medical

> testing. I completely agree with a behavioral approach to treating our kids

> but am also finding that sometimes the antecedant can come from within and

> can be unseen unless specifically explored. But I'm jumping in late and

> haven't closely followed the discussion so I apologize if this is in no way

> applicable.

> ann

>

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I think it is important that we remember our kids do

what is most rewarding to them. My son has severe OCD

issues. He is a great manipulator, I have to make sure

that the most rewarding things occur when the OCD

behavior is not Present. There is almost always

extinction behaviors, but if you stay constent, these

too usually pass. I have found that medications are

only temporarly effective, but if it's what's needed

to help him control this while you try behavior

management I would say it's worth A try. We as

parents sometimes have to remember that if we're

totally stressed by these behaviors we can be

overwhelmed and sometimes not be as patient as we need

to be. HANG IN THERE!

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If the OCD is related to a bacteria and not yeast, it could be that the OoO is

either not addressing this particular bacteria, or maybe you're not

supplementing with the right or high enough dose of a probiotic. For us the

treatments are all pointless if we don't include our Perfect Colon and

Culturelle on an empty stomach. You can keep wiping out the bad bacteria, but if

you don't supplement with the right probiotic (good bacteria) the bad stuff is

just going to grow back first ( I believe compared it to weeds) and you're

back in same cycle.

OCD

Hello:

We are in the midst of a significant OCD episode. It began 2 weeks ago.

I have read back posts talking OLE. I cannot find OLE, and will keep

looking.

I am trying OoO, but only topically on the feet at night.

Any others suggestions or ideas? This is driving us absolutely nuts.

Also, has anybody tried colloidal silver?

Thanks

Crystal

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> We are in the midst of a significant OCD episode. It began 2 weeks ago.

>

> I have read back posts talking OLE. I cannot find OLE, and will keep

> looking.

For my son, OCD was primarily caused by viruses, so OLE helped quite a

bit. Sometimes it was related to yeast, so you can try increasing

your yeast protocol. And occasionally, it was caused by a supplement

that needed removing.

Dana

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Even though we are giving our son (via Dr. G's protocol) Zoloft, Wellbutrin,

Valtrex, Tenex, and Nizoral, our son is still EXTREMELY OCD and HYPERACTIVE.

Anyone using Risperdol or a Stimulant to treat these behaviors?

Sincerely,

Juarez, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist

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The most effective treatment for OCD is CBT alone or

combining meds with CBT.

--- and Sal Juarez <jamieandsal@...>

wrote:

> Even though we are giving our son (via Dr. G's

> protocol) Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Valtrex, Tenex, and

> Nizoral, our son is still EXTREMELY OCD and

> HYPERACTIVE. Anyone using Risperdol or a Stimulant

> to treat these behaviors?

>

> Sincerely,

> Juarez, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist

>

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Can you please enlighten me a little bit on CBT ? We went through different

therapies at different times like ABA, RDI (for a short time), some

neurodevelopmental therapy etc. Does any of these fall under CBT. I know CBT is

a broad term but what are the implementations of CBT. Can this be something me

and my wife can learn and put to work on my child ? Please let me know where I

can get more info. Also, I will appreciate if you can tell me the areas it can

help.

Regards,

Amit

L H <base2@...> wrote:

The most effective treatment for OCD is CBT alone or

combining meds with CBT.

--- and Sal Juarez <jamieandsal@...>

wrote:

> Even though we are giving our son (via Dr. G's

> protocol) Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Valtrex, Tenex, and

> Nizoral, our son is still EXTREMELY OCD and

> HYPERACTIVE. Anyone using Risperdol or a Stimulant

> to treat these behaviors?

>

> Sincerely,

> Juarez, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist

>

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CBT stands for Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. CBT is really more applicable

toward those with higher level cognitive functioning suffering from affective

disorders. Affective disorders include depression and anxiety disorders. It is

not recommended for those with lower IQ's or Cognitive Decline Functioning,

which is likely for most individuals with Autism. It works really well for

those typically functioning. Wikipedia has a great definition; Cognitive

Behavioral Therapy (CBT) is a psychotherapy based on modifying cognitions,

assumptions, beliefs and behaviors, with the aim of influencing disturbed

emotions. The general approach developed out of behavior modification, Cognitive

Therapy and Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, and has become widely used to

treat various kinds of neurosis and psychopathology, including mood disorders

and anxiety disorders. The particular therapeutic techniques vary according to

the particular kind of client or issue, but commonly include keeping a diary of

significant events and associated feelings, thoughts and behaviors; questioning

and testing cognitions, assumptions, evaluations and beliefs that might be

unhelpful and unrealistic; gradually facing activities which may have been

avoided; and trying out new ways of behaving and reacting. Relaxation and

distraction techniques are also commonly included. CBT is widely accepted as an

evidence and empirically based, cost-effective psychotherapy for many disorders

and psychological problems. It is sometimes used with groups of people as well

as individuals, and the techniques are also commonly adapted for self-help

manuals and, increasingly, for self-help software packages.

>From: Amit Ganguli <joshganguli@...>

>Date: 2007/10/26 Fri PM 07:16:19 CDT

>

>Subject: Re: Re: OCD

>

>Can you please enlighten me a little bit on CBT ? We went through different

therapies at different times like ABA, RDI (for a short time), some

neurodevelopmental therapy etc. Does any of these fall under CBT. I know CBT is

a broad term but what are the implementations of CBT. Can this be something me

and my wife can learn and put to work on my child ? Please let me know where I

can get more info. Also, I will appreciate if you can tell me the areas it can

help.

>

> Regards,

>

> Amit

>

>L H <base2@...> wrote:

> The most effective treatment for OCD is CBT alone or

>combining meds with CBT.

>

>--- and Sal Juarez <jamieandsal@...>

>wrote:

>

>> Even though we are giving our son (via Dr. G's

>> protocol) Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Valtrex, Tenex, and

>> Nizoral, our son is still EXTREMELY OCD and

>> HYPERACTIVE. Anyone using Risperdol or a Stimulant

>> to treat these behaviors?

>>

>> Sincerely,

>> Juarez, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist

>>

>

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