RE: Re:post cruciate sx with MLP contralateral limb

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I have been wanting to take a Kinesiotaping course for a long time to learn how to tape for dogs with MPL etc. Seems as if it would be a good idea -- hair would need to be clipped, as far as I know.

I have used Vetrap / Coban (wrapped fairly tight from medial to lateral) to get some stabilization of MPL in dogs where we were trying to get muscle strengthening before the dogs went to surgery. It seemed to give some stabilization, and they were definitely able to go from sit-stand without having the patella pop out. I think it would be worth a try when you are doing weight-shifting etc. Not sure how well it would stand up to the UWTM exercises. The vetrap was only left on for about 10 min at one time because of the concern about having a tourniquet effect and constricting the blood flow.

lemme know if you try it

JanJanet Steiss, DVM, PhD, PT Associate Professor Dept of Anatomy, Physiology & Pharmacology College of Veterinary MedicineAuburn University AL 36849______________________________work ph: home ph: FAX (departmental): alternate email: steisje@...

To: VetRehab From: renee1rvt@...Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:29:44 +0000Subject: Re:post cruciate sx with MLP contralateral limb

Hi Shari,Yes, I have seen PT's that I have volunteered for use this taping. I am having to hold the patella in place with alot of effort, so I dont know if the tape would hold it. Has anyone tried this before that is reading these postings?>> Hey there , hope you are well. This is a issue that I too have been> wondering about, and maybe some of the other PT's out there may have some> experience/comments on my thoughts. In human rehab, there is McConnell> taping for increased stability or better tracking of the patella, but I> personally have never tried it on the canines. I don't know if taping would> be strong enough to hold the patella in place especially with a Grade 3-4> but just a thought. Any others out there who have tried this with their> MLP's? Would love some ideas myself as I too have a lot of dogs with it,> especially a few "down" dogs that I am trying to get ambulatory and are> certainly not going to put them through another surgery to repair the knee> until they are stronger and walking.> Shari Sprague, MPT>

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Hi all.

In my experience...

Kinesiotape works to "facilitate" or "inhibit" muscles but does not stick well to dog skin. It also requires some heat/friction to stick well on people.

McConnell strapping tape sticks better but with the increased flexibility/mobility of the dog's skin, doesn't "move" or fix the patella very well. It may facilitate through receptors on the skin though.

Narelle Stubbs uses duct/duck tape on dogs and horses with reported success-- she did a breakfast forum at the last VetPT Symposium on using tape in facilitation.

I think that TheraTogs, a rubber-backed elastic strapping material used in pedi and adult (human) neuro, might have some potential.

Amie

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Hi Shari,Yes, I have seen PT's that I have volunteered for use this taping. I am having to hold the patella in place with alot of effort, so I dont know if the tape would hold it. Has anyone tried this before that is reading these postings?>> Hey there , hope you are well. This is a issue that I too have been> wondering about, and maybe some of the other PT's out there may have some> experience/comments on my thoughts. In human rehab, there is McConnell> taping for increased stability or better tracking of the patella, but I> personally have never tried it on the canines. I don't know if taping would> be strong enough to hold the patella in place especially with a Grade 3-4> but just a thought. Any others out th

ere who have tried this with their> MLP's? Would love some ideas myself as I too have a lot of dogs with it,> especially a few "down" dogs that I am trying to get ambulatory and are> certainly not going to put them through another surgery to repair the knee> until they are stronger and walking.> Shari Sprague, MPT>

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Hi Jan,

Years ago when I was trying this, Kinesiotape wasn’t

around! I used the Leukoplast and also tried white athletic tape (over

top of Fixomil – gosh but it’s not in front of me to get the name

right...essentially a soft surface that sticks well to skin but is less of an

irritant than the glues of the other two sturdy tapes). This was the

practice in our human clinic at the time.

As I learned, the adhesiveness to the skin was not the problem,

it was the fact that the skin was not adhered to the patella.

I also tried to sew together a ‘zimmer’ splint which

wasn’t successful either. The thought was to eliminate the flexion

and popping over of the patella until things could heal up a bit more naturally.

I still think the thought warrant merit... but I’m not so sure of the

logistics. I wanted something that could come on and off, not restrict

the foot and not slide off. Hmmm!

Laurie

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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:05 PM

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Subject: RE: Re:post cruciate sx with MLP contralateral limb

thanks, Amie and Laurie. This taping

business is new to me.

So if I wanted to experiment with some of these taping materials and see if the

3M Cavilon barrier film improves the adhesion to dog skin (recommendation of Dr

Steve Swaim for getting tape to stick to dogs), do you have any suggestion on

whether to try Kinesiotape, Leukotape or Endura tape if we are talking

about trying to stabilize the patella?

thanks in advance

Jan

Janet Steiss, DVM, PhD, PT

Associate Professor

Dept of Anatomy, Physiology & Pharmacology

College of Veterinary Medicine

Auburn University AL 36849

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:21:03 +0000

Subject: RE: Re:post cruciate sx with MLP contralateral limb

Hi all.

In my experience...

Kinesiotape works to " facilitate " or

" inhibit " muscles but does not stick well to dog skin. It also

requires some heat/friction to stick well on people.

McConnell strapping tape sticks better but with the

increased flexibility/mobility of the dog's skin, doesn't " move " or

fix the patella very well. It may facilitate through receptors on the

skin though.

Narelle Stubbs uses duct/duck tape on dogs and horses with

reported success-- she did a breakfast forum at the last VetPT Symposium on

using tape in facilitation.

I think that TheraTogs, a rubber-backed elastic strapping

material used in pedi and adult (human) neuro, might have some potential.

Amie

--------- Re:post cruciate sx with MLP contralateral limb

Hi Shari,

Yes, I have seen PT's that I have volunteered for use this taping.

I am having to hold the patella in place with alot of effort, so I

dont know if the tape would hold it. Has anyone tried this before

that is reading these postings?

>

> Hey there , hope you are well. This is a issue that I too

have been

> wondering about, and maybe some of the other PT's out there may

have some

> experience/comments on my thoughts. In human rehab, there is

McConnell

> taping for increased stability or better tracking of the patella,

but I

> personally have never tried it on the canines. I don't know if

taping would

> be strong enough to hold the patella in place especially with a

Grade 3-4

> but just a thought. Any ot hers out th ere who have tried this with

their

> MLP's? Would love some ideas myself as I too have a lot of dogs

with it,

> especially a few " down " dogs that I am trying to get ambulatory

and are

> certainly not going to put them through another surgery to repair

the knee

> until they are stronger and walking.

> Shari Sprague, MPT

>

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