Guest guest Posted May 17, 2003 Report Share Posted May 17, 2003 I have a staffing coming up in two months to transition my son from a 0-3 yrs speech program to the public school system and, after reading all your posts about how much more beneficial individual speech therapy is for children with apraxia, I want to make sure to go into this meeting prepared. I know how overwhelmed the public school speech teachers are in our district and I'm sure that they're going to try to persuade me to put into group sessions, but I'd like to show them something in writing that would show how much needs one-on-one sessions. Are there any articles/books that specifically recommend individual therapy sessions for children with apraxia that I could show them at our staffing? Amy T. (Orlando, FL) asthomason@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2003 Report Share Posted May 17, 2003 Hi, Amy. I have an IEP packet that includes literature quotes, etc. that demonstrate the need for 1:1 therapy in school for an apraxic child. Sounds like it's just what you need. I'll send it to you offlist. Sandy, Illinois (alpy2@...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2003 Report Share Posted May 17, 2003 Amy on Did they re-evaluate your son as part of the transition? The reason I ask is we are going for a " transition evaluation " on Monday morning (I live in Florida too) and I was wondering if you could tell me what to expect. They told me that after the evaluation, which should take about 2 hours, the " team " breaks for the summer, so I won't be able to have an EIP Meeting or get any services until August. I'm just wondering about what sort of tests, etc... they do. My son will be 3 in July. [ ] Re: Speech services I have a staffing coming up in two months to transition my son from a 0-3 yrs speech program to the public school system and, after reading all your posts about how much more beneficial individual speech therapy is for children with apraxia, I want to make sure to go into this meeting prepared. I know how overwhelmed the public school speech teachers are in our district and I'm sure that they're going to try to persuade me to put into group sessions, but I'd like to show them something in writing that would show how much needs one-on-one sessions. Are there any articles/books that specifically recommend individual therapy sessions for children with apraxia that I could show them at our staffing? Amy T. (Orlando, FL) asthomason@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 <Did they re-evaluate your son as part of the transition?> We're actually doing the reevaluation in a few weeks, then 's staffing is August 8th - on his third birthday. He'll start services at the public school immediately thereafter. Didn't that work out perfectly? I wanted to make sure that there wasn't any lapse in services when he transitioned from one program to the next. I know how slowly our county's school system works because I used to be a teacher of the hearing impaired there and became very frustrated when we'd have to wait months just to get a student tested and staffed in. That ends up being wasted time - it took my 4 yr. old son, , 8 months to be evaluated and staffed in for his speech articulation difficulties because there's such a backlog of children waiting to get in for services. I didn't want the same thing to happen with . Amy T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 we have a REAL shortage of ST here in oregon..>I dont know if that exists nationwide as well. My oldest DS had ST on his IEP 10 years ago & NEVER got it...they just said that they didnt have any STs, now I know better & push for everything I can. Even so, ASD DS (4) tested out inbetween the 6th & 12th percentile in speech assessments and he STILL only gets an hour a week. I am actually going through a program at Oregon Health Sciences University that teaches the parent how to be the childs speech therapist, parent centered therapy is what they call it I think. He will also get some speech at the center were he is going to get his SI therapy. I guess you patch it together as best you can. But speech therapy is hard, I think, to learn...I mean most of us could figure out ABA, get trained in it, read about it & work with our kids pretty easily (comparatively), but speech therapy is not really something you can learn from a book, if you know what I mean. I am really grateful for the ability to attend this program, even though it means heading upstate once or twice a week for 12 weeks. Donna >===== Original Message From Laha1960@... ===== >In a message dated 3/4/05 6:58:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, >Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes: > >Do any of you go thru your insurance instead of the state for your >childs therapy? I had to do this because my state could only fit >Grayson in whenever a cancellation occured. My insurance only >allows 30 visits per year. ( I found this out after I got the HUGE >bill from her speech therapist) How can I get them to cover these >sessions. 30 visits per year doesnt cover her needs. I had my DR >and speech therapist write my insurance a letter hoping that this >may help. Does anyone else have any better ideas? > > > My son is now almost 16, and in tenth grade. He has received Speech from >the SLP in school and ONLY in school for a few years now, since Ele school. >I would highly suggest that your son get tested and see what he needs and >have the school provide this in school and that this is a part of his legal IEP >so that he will get services. They work on a variety of the speech, social, >pragmatic and other issues related to speech and language. When my son was >smaller, they played games sometimes involving others, but all helped his >speech and lang. skills set in his IEP. > > in IL :_) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 we have a REAL shortage of ST here in oregon..>I dont know if that exists nationwide as well. My oldest DS had ST on his IEP 10 years ago & NEVER got it...they just said that they didnt have any STs, now I know better & push for everything I can. Even so, ASD DS (4) tested out inbetween the 6th & 12th percentile in speech assessments and he STILL only gets an hour a week. I am actually going through a program at Oregon Health Sciences University that teaches the parent how to be the childs speech therapist, parent centered therapy is what they call it I think. He will also get some speech at the center were he is going to get his SI therapy. I guess you patch it together as best you can. But speech therapy is hard, I think, to learn...I mean most of us could figure out ABA, get trained in it, read about it & work with our kids pretty easily (comparatively), but speech therapy is not really something you can learn from a book, if you know what I mean. I am really grateful for the ability to attend this program, even though it means heading upstate once or twice a week for 12 weeks. Donna >===== Original Message From Laha1960@... ===== >In a message dated 3/4/05 6:58:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, >Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes: > >Do any of you go thru your insurance instead of the state for your >childs therapy? I had to do this because my state could only fit >Grayson in whenever a cancellation occured. My insurance only >allows 30 visits per year. ( I found this out after I got the HUGE >bill from her speech therapist) How can I get them to cover these >sessions. 30 visits per year doesnt cover her needs. I had my DR >and speech therapist write my insurance a letter hoping that this >may help. Does anyone else have any better ideas? > > > My son is now almost 16, and in tenth grade. He has received Speech from >the SLP in school and ONLY in school for a few years now, since Ele school. >I would highly suggest that your son get tested and see what he needs and >have the school provide this in school and that this is a part of his legal IEP >so that he will get services. They work on a variety of the speech, social, >pragmatic and other issues related to speech and language. When my son was >smaller, they played games sometimes involving others, but all helped his >speech and lang. skills set in his IEP. > > in IL :_) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Last year I referred my dd for a speech eval. The ST came back with "she is in the average range for expressive language and well above average for receptive". So, of course, the school won't give her speech. I know she needs it. I am having tons of trouble putting the problem into words though. She has extreme difficulty with spontaneous expressive speech. For example, if you ask her a question that requires an emotional answer she can'tgive an answer. When she took the one of the speech tests the task was to look at a picture and tell what is happening. One was a pic of an adult woman with three children. She said to the ST "I think this is too advanced for me" after she put her head down, put her fingers to her mouth and seemed to withdraw. She has the same problem with writting. She can write about her favorite things (obsessions) and sometimes factual stuff but not anything that requires creative thinking. I don't know what this is called and how to go about getting help for her. Anyone have any ideas?"D. Marie Ralstin-" <dralstin@...> wrote: we have a REAL shortage of ST here in oregon..>I dont know if that exists nationwide as well.My oldest DS had ST on his IEP 10 years ago & NEVER got it...they just said that they didnt have any STs, now I know better & push for everything I can. Even so, ASD DS (4) tested out inbetween the 6th & 12th percentile in speech assessments and he STILL only gets an hour a week.I am actually going through a program at Oregon Health Sciences University that teaches the parent how to be the childs speech therapist, parent centered therapy is what they call it I think.He will also get some speech at the center were he is going to get his SI therapy. I guess you patch it together as best you can.But speech therapy is hard, I think, to learn...I mean most of us could figure out ABA, get trained in it, read about it & work with our kids pretty easily (comparatively), but speech therapy is not really something you can learn from a book, if you know what I mean. I am really grateful for the ability to attend this program, even though it means heading upstate once or twice a week for 12 weeks.Donna>===== Original Message From Laha1960@... =====>In a message dated 3/4/05 6:58:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,>Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:>>Do any of you go thru your insurance instead of the state for your>childs therapy? I had to do this because my state could only fit>Grayson in whenever a cancellation occured. My insurance only>allows 30 visits per year. ( I found this out after I got the HUGE>bill from her speech therapist) How can I get them to cover these>sessions. 30 visits per year doesnt cover her needs. I had my DR>and speech therapist write my insurance a letter hoping that this>may help. Does anyone else have any better ideas?>>> My son is now almost 16, and in tenth grade. He has received Speech from>the SLP in school and ONLY in school for a few years now, since Ele school.>I would highly suggest that your son get tested and see what he needs and>have the school provide this in school and that this is a part of his legal IEP>so that he will get services. They work on a variety of the speech, social,>pragmatic and other issues related to speech and language. When my son was>smaller, they played games sometimes involving others, but all helped his>speech and lang. skills set in his IEP.>> in IL :_) Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Last year I referred my dd for a speech eval. The ST came back with "she is in the average range for expressive language and well above average for receptive". So, of course, the school won't give her speech. I know she needs it. I am having tons of trouble putting the problem into words though. She has extreme difficulty with spontaneous expressive speech. For example, if you ask her a question that requires an emotional answer she can'tgive an answer. When she took the one of the speech tests the task was to look at a picture and tell what is happening. One was a pic of an adult woman with three children. She said to the ST "I think this is too advanced for me" after she put her head down, put her fingers to her mouth and seemed to withdraw. She has the same problem with writting. She can write about her favorite things (obsessions) and sometimes factual stuff but not anything that requires creative thinking. I don't know what this is called and how to go about getting help for her. Anyone have any ideas?"D. Marie Ralstin-" <dralstin@...> wrote: we have a REAL shortage of ST here in oregon..>I dont know if that exists nationwide as well.My oldest DS had ST on his IEP 10 years ago & NEVER got it...they just said that they didnt have any STs, now I know better & push for everything I can. Even so, ASD DS (4) tested out inbetween the 6th & 12th percentile in speech assessments and he STILL only gets an hour a week.I am actually going through a program at Oregon Health Sciences University that teaches the parent how to be the childs speech therapist, parent centered therapy is what they call it I think.He will also get some speech at the center were he is going to get his SI therapy. I guess you patch it together as best you can.But speech therapy is hard, I think, to learn...I mean most of us could figure out ABA, get trained in it, read about it & work with our kids pretty easily (comparatively), but speech therapy is not really something you can learn from a book, if you know what I mean. I am really grateful for the ability to attend this program, even though it means heading upstate once or twice a week for 12 weeks.Donna>===== Original Message From Laha1960@... =====>In a message dated 3/4/05 6:58:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,>Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:>>Do any of you go thru your insurance instead of the state for your>childs therapy? I had to do this because my state could only fit>Grayson in whenever a cancellation occured. My insurance only>allows 30 visits per year. ( I found this out after I got the HUGE>bill from her speech therapist) How can I get them to cover these>sessions. 30 visits per year doesnt cover her needs. I had my DR>and speech therapist write my insurance a letter hoping that this>may help. Does anyone else have any better ideas?>>> My son is now almost 16, and in tenth grade. He has received Speech from>the SLP in school and ONLY in school for a few years now, since Ele school.>I would highly suggest that your son get tested and see what he needs and>have the school provide this in school and that this is a part of his legal IEP>so that he will get services. They work on a variety of the speech, social,>pragmatic and other issues related to speech and language. When my son was>smaller, they played games sometimes involving others, but all helped his>speech and lang. skills set in his IEP.>> in IL :_) Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 I feel the same thing you do. My 10 yr old daughter's psychiatrist has asked many times why she doesn't get speech. I have had her tested at least 3 times and they always say she doesn't qualify. She has a sing-songy 'chanting' very nasal voice. They tell me her nose is stuffed up! (For 10 years ??). At home she talks all the time, but will stammer and repeat the last word and then go on with her sentence. They say they don't hear that at school. I even taped her telling a story with all of her stammering and played it at an IEP conference. They told me I 'set her up'! When I ask them how she talks at school, they say that she only answers questions with very brief answers and she rarely says very much. Again, is this age appropriate for a 10 yr old girl? They did a stuttering test and she had something like 36 times during a 4 minute timed test, but fell in the average range. I don't know about you, but I don't stutter 36 times in 4 minutes, so where do they get the average? She has a real problem with pragmatics. Like your daughter, mine would have answered to the pic, it was a lady and kids. That would have been the extent to her creativity and imagination. Most of the problem also is the asperger/autism. These kids don't have the awareness of emotions, feelings, expressions to use in speech. They need a very educated Speech Pathologist who knows about autism to test them and do therapy with them. Normal SLP's in the school system aren't trained in recognizing the problems/or can observe it, but don't know how to begin to treat it, they aren't trained in this area. I have been told that I would have to hire a specialist to work with her on my own if I thought she needed therapy. I am still fighting the school yearly in trying to get them to accept that she has been diagnosed with autism. They constantly tell me she isn't autistic in an ' educational setting'. I made them write on her IEP that two psychiatrist have diagnosed her with autism. They claim they don't see it in an educational setting? Is it don't see, overlook it, or aren't educated enough to understand what it is they are seeing? Patti H. RE: Speech services Last year I referred my dd for a speech eval. The ST came back with "she is in the average range for expressive language and well above average for receptive". So, of course, the school won't give her speech. I know she needs it. I am having tons of trouble putting the problem into words though. She has extreme difficulty with spontaneous expressive speech. For example, if you ask her a question that requires an emotional answer she can'tgive an answer. When she took the one of the speech tests the task was to look at a picture and tell what is happening. One was a pic of an adult woman with three children. She said to the ST "I think this is too advanced for me" after she put her head down, put her fingers to her mouth and seemed to withdraw. She has the same problem with writting. She can write about her favorite things (obsessions) and sometimes factual stuff but not anything that requires creative thinking. I don't know what this is called and how to go about getting help for her. Anyone have any ideas?"D. Marie Ralstin-" <dralstin@...> wrote: we have a REAL shortage of ST here in oregon..>I dont know if that exists nationwide as well.My oldest DS had ST on his IEP 10 years ago & NEVER got it...they just said that they didnt have any STs, now I know better & push for everything I can. Even so, ASD DS (4) tested out inbetween the 6th & 12th percentile in speech assessments and he STILL only gets an hour a week.I am actually going through a program at Oregon Health Sciences University that teaches the parent how to be the childs speech therapist, parent centered therapy is what they call it I think.He will also get some speech at the center were he is going to get his SI therapy. I guess you patch it together as best you can.But speech therapy is hard, I think, to learn...I mean most of us could figure out ABA, get trained in it, read about it & work with our kids pretty easily (comparatively), but speech therapy is not really something you can learn from a book, if you know what I mean. I am really grateful for the ability to attend this program, even though it means heading upstate once or twice a week for 12 weeks.Donna>===== Original Message From Laha1960@... =====>In a message dated 3/4/05 6:58:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,>Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:>>Do any of you go thru your insurance instead of the state for your>childs therapy? I had to do this because my state could only fit>Grayson in whenever a cancellation occured. My insurance only>allows 30 visits per year. ( I found this out after I got the HUGE>bill from her speech therapist) How can I get them to cover these>sessions. 30 visits per year doesnt cover her needs. I had my DR>and speech therapist write my insurance a letter hoping that this>may help. Does anyone else have any better ideas?>>> My son is now almost 16, and in tenth grade. He has received Speech from>the SLP in school and ONLY in school for a few years now, since Ele school.>I would highly suggest that your son get tested and see what he needs and>have the school provide this in school and that this is a part of his legal IEP>so that he will get services. They work on a variety of the speech, social,>pragmatic and other issues related to speech and language. When my son was>smaller, they played games sometimes involving others, but all helped his>speech and lang. skills set in his IEP.>> in IL :_) Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 I feel the same thing you do. My 10 yr old daughter's psychiatrist has asked many times why she doesn't get speech. I have had her tested at least 3 times and they always say she doesn't qualify. She has a sing-songy 'chanting' very nasal voice. They tell me her nose is stuffed up! (For 10 years ??). At home she talks all the time, but will stammer and repeat the last word and then go on with her sentence. They say they don't hear that at school. I even taped her telling a story with all of her stammering and played it at an IEP conference. They told me I 'set her up'! When I ask them how she talks at school, they say that she only answers questions with very brief answers and she rarely says very much. Again, is this age appropriate for a 10 yr old girl? They did a stuttering test and she had something like 36 times during a 4 minute timed test, but fell in the average range. I don't know about you, but I don't stutter 36 times in 4 minutes, so where do they get the average? She has a real problem with pragmatics. Like your daughter, mine would have answered to the pic, it was a lady and kids. That would have been the extent to her creativity and imagination. Most of the problem also is the asperger/autism. These kids don't have the awareness of emotions, feelings, expressions to use in speech. They need a very educated Speech Pathologist who knows about autism to test them and do therapy with them. Normal SLP's in the school system aren't trained in recognizing the problems/or can observe it, but don't know how to begin to treat it, they aren't trained in this area. I have been told that I would have to hire a specialist to work with her on my own if I thought she needed therapy. I am still fighting the school yearly in trying to get them to accept that she has been diagnosed with autism. They constantly tell me she isn't autistic in an ' educational setting'. I made them write on her IEP that two psychiatrist have diagnosed her with autism. They claim they don't see it in an educational setting? Is it don't see, overlook it, or aren't educated enough to understand what it is they are seeing? Patti H. RE: Speech services Last year I referred my dd for a speech eval. The ST came back with "she is in the average range for expressive language and well above average for receptive". So, of course, the school won't give her speech. I know she needs it. I am having tons of trouble putting the problem into words though. She has extreme difficulty with spontaneous expressive speech. For example, if you ask her a question that requires an emotional answer she can'tgive an answer. When she took the one of the speech tests the task was to look at a picture and tell what is happening. One was a pic of an adult woman with three children. She said to the ST "I think this is too advanced for me" after she put her head down, put her fingers to her mouth and seemed to withdraw. She has the same problem with writting. She can write about her favorite things (obsessions) and sometimes factual stuff but not anything that requires creative thinking. I don't know what this is called and how to go about getting help for her. Anyone have any ideas?"D. Marie Ralstin-" <dralstin@...> wrote: we have a REAL shortage of ST here in oregon..>I dont know if that exists nationwide as well.My oldest DS had ST on his IEP 10 years ago & NEVER got it...they just said that they didnt have any STs, now I know better & push for everything I can. Even so, ASD DS (4) tested out inbetween the 6th & 12th percentile in speech assessments and he STILL only gets an hour a week.I am actually going through a program at Oregon Health Sciences University that teaches the parent how to be the childs speech therapist, parent centered therapy is what they call it I think.He will also get some speech at the center were he is going to get his SI therapy. I guess you patch it together as best you can.But speech therapy is hard, I think, to learn...I mean most of us could figure out ABA, get trained in it, read about it & work with our kids pretty easily (comparatively), but speech therapy is not really something you can learn from a book, if you know what I mean. I am really grateful for the ability to attend this program, even though it means heading upstate once or twice a week for 12 weeks.Donna>===== Original Message From Laha1960@... =====>In a message dated 3/4/05 6:58:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,>Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:>>Do any of you go thru your insurance instead of the state for your>childs therapy? I had to do this because my state could only fit>Grayson in whenever a cancellation occured. My insurance only>allows 30 visits per year. ( I found this out after I got the HUGE>bill from her speech therapist) How can I get them to cover these>sessions. 30 visits per year doesnt cover her needs. I had my DR>and speech therapist write my insurance a letter hoping that this>may help. Does anyone else have any better ideas?>>> My son is now almost 16, and in tenth grade. He has received Speech from>the SLP in school and ONLY in school for a few years now, since Ele school.>I would highly suggest that your son get tested and see what he needs and>have the school provide this in school and that this is a part of his legal IEP>so that he will get services. They work on a variety of the speech, social,>pragmatic and other issues related to speech and language. When my son was>smaller, they played games sometimes involving others, but all helped his>speech and lang. skills set in his IEP.>> in IL :_) Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 We had a problem with a writing assignment recently, the class was studying civil rights and the assignment was for the kids to write a journal entry as though they woke up one day and discovered they were an African American child in 1955. He was totally confused. He came home ranting and raving that there is no way he can do such an assignment because (in his words) "In 1955 nana was only 5 so, you (mom) were not even born yet, therefore logically speaking there is NO way I could existed yet!!" I got him to attempt the story by sitting with him and explaining what such a child might have gone through and just made him write it in the first person. I believe the name you are looking for is "theory of mind" My son scored above average for expressive language and well below for receptive and he still gets no SL services, so I feel for you. It's a constant battle with the schools! Good Luck! -Charlotte RE: Speech services Last year I referred my dd for a speech eval. The ST came back with "she is in the average range for expressive language and well above average for receptive". So, of course, the school won't give her speech. I know she needs it. I am having tons of trouble putting the problem into words though. She has extreme difficulty with spontaneous expressive speech. For example, if you ask her a question that requires an emotional answer she can'tgive an answer. When she took the one of the speech tests the task was to look at a picture and tell what is happening. One was a pic of an adult woman with three children. She said to the ST "I think this is too advanced for me" after she put her head down, put her fingers to her mouth and seemed to withdraw. She has the same problem with writting. She can write about her favorite things (obsessions) and sometimes factual stuff but not anything that requires creative thinking. I don't know what this is called and how to go about getting help for her. Anyone have any ideas?"D. Marie Ralstin-" <dralstin@...> wrote: we have a REAL shortage of ST here in oregon..>I dont know if that exists nationwide as well.My oldest DS had ST on his IEP 10 years ago & NEVER got it...they just said that they didnt have any STs, now I know better & push for everything I can. Even so, ASD DS (4) tested out inbetween the 6th & 12th percentile in speech assessments and he STILL only gets an hour a week.I am actually going through a program at Oregon Health Sciences University that teaches the parent how to be the childs speech therapist, parent centered therapy is what they call it I think.He will also get some speech at the center were he is going to get his SI therapy. I guess you patch it together as best you can.But speech therapy is hard, I think, to learn...I mean most of us could figure out ABA, get trained in it, read about it & work with our kids pretty easily (comparatively), but speech therapy is not really something you can learn from a book, if you know what I mean. I am really grateful for the ability to attend this program, even though it means heading upstate once or twice a week for 12 weeks.Donna>===== Original Message From Laha1960@... =====>In a message dated 3/4/05 6:58:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,>Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:>>Do any of you go thru your insurance instead of the state for your>childs therapy? I had to do this because my state could only fit>Grayson in whenever a cancellation occured. My insurance only>allows 30 visits per year. ( I found this out after I got the HUGE>bill from her speech therapist) How can I get them to cover these>sessions. 30 visits per year doesnt cover her needs. I had my DR>and speech therapist write my insurance a letter hoping that this>may help. Does anyone else have any better ideas?>>> My son is now almost 16, and in tenth grade. He has received Speech from>the SLP in school and ONLY in school for a few years now, since Ele school.>I would highly suggest that your son get tested and see what he needs and>have the school provide this in school and that this is a part of his legal IEP>so that he will get services. They work on a variety of the speech, social,>pragmatic and other issues related to speech and language. When my son was>smaller, they played games sometimes involving others, but all helped his>speech and lang. skills set in his IEP.>> in IL :_) Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 We had a problem with a writing assignment recently, the class was studying civil rights and the assignment was for the kids to write a journal entry as though they woke up one day and discovered they were an African American child in 1955. He was totally confused. He came home ranting and raving that there is no way he can do such an assignment because (in his words) "In 1955 nana was only 5 so, you (mom) were not even born yet, therefore logically speaking there is NO way I could existed yet!!" I got him to attempt the story by sitting with him and explaining what such a child might have gone through and just made him write it in the first person. I believe the name you are looking for is "theory of mind" My son scored above average for expressive language and well below for receptive and he still gets no SL services, so I feel for you. It's a constant battle with the schools! Good Luck! -Charlotte RE: Speech services Last year I referred my dd for a speech eval. The ST came back with "she is in the average range for expressive language and well above average for receptive". So, of course, the school won't give her speech. I know she needs it. I am having tons of trouble putting the problem into words though. She has extreme difficulty with spontaneous expressive speech. For example, if you ask her a question that requires an emotional answer she can'tgive an answer. When she took the one of the speech tests the task was to look at a picture and tell what is happening. One was a pic of an adult woman with three children. She said to the ST "I think this is too advanced for me" after she put her head down, put her fingers to her mouth and seemed to withdraw. She has the same problem with writting. She can write about her favorite things (obsessions) and sometimes factual stuff but not anything that requires creative thinking. I don't know what this is called and how to go about getting help for her. Anyone have any ideas?"D. Marie Ralstin-" <dralstin@...> wrote: we have a REAL shortage of ST here in oregon..>I dont know if that exists nationwide as well.My oldest DS had ST on his IEP 10 years ago & NEVER got it...they just said that they didnt have any STs, now I know better & push for everything I can. Even so, ASD DS (4) tested out inbetween the 6th & 12th percentile in speech assessments and he STILL only gets an hour a week.I am actually going through a program at Oregon Health Sciences University that teaches the parent how to be the childs speech therapist, parent centered therapy is what they call it I think.He will also get some speech at the center were he is going to get his SI therapy. I guess you patch it together as best you can.But speech therapy is hard, I think, to learn...I mean most of us could figure out ABA, get trained in it, read about it & work with our kids pretty easily (comparatively), but speech therapy is not really something you can learn from a book, if you know what I mean. I am really grateful for the ability to attend this program, even though it means heading upstate once or twice a week for 12 weeks.Donna>===== Original Message From Laha1960@... =====>In a message dated 3/4/05 6:58:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,>Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:>>Do any of you go thru your insurance instead of the state for your>childs therapy? I had to do this because my state could only fit>Grayson in whenever a cancellation occured. My insurance only>allows 30 visits per year. ( I found this out after I got the HUGE>bill from her speech therapist) How can I get them to cover these>sessions. 30 visits per year doesnt cover her needs. I had my DR>and speech therapist write my insurance a letter hoping that this>may help. Does anyone else have any better ideas?>>> My son is now almost 16, and in tenth grade. He has received Speech from>the SLP in school and ONLY in school for a few years now, since Ele school.>I would highly suggest that your son get tested and see what he needs and>have the school provide this in school and that this is a part of his legal IEP>so that he will get services. They work on a variety of the speech, social,>pragmatic and other issues related to speech and language. When my son was>smaller, they played games sometimes involving others, but all helped his>speech and lang. skills set in his IEP.>> in IL :_) Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 >>Last year I referred my dd for a speech eval. The ST came back with " she >>is in the average range for expressive language and well above average for >>receptive " . So, of course, the school won't give her speech. I know she >>needs it. I am having tons of trouble putting the problem into words >>though. She has extreme difficulty with spontaneous expressive speech. >>For example, if you ask her a question that requires an emotional answer >>she can'tgive an answer. When she took the one of the speech tests the >>task was to look at a picture and tell what is happening. One was a pic >>of an adult woman with three children. She said to the ST " I think this >>is too advanced for me " after she put her head down, put her fingers to >>her mouth and seemed to withdraw. She has the same problem with writting. >>She can write about her favorite things (obsessions) and sometimes factual >>stuff but not anything that requires creative thinking. I don't know what >>this is called and how to go about getting help for her. Anyone have any >>ideas?<< I think it's called autism. It is not a speech problem per se, and so SALT will not help. Recognising and responding to emotions in yourself or others is very hard if not impossible for those with ASD. It needs to be dealt with within school by giving extra help, or changing writing assignments to things she can write about, which do not involve emotions. My son is 17 and has always found anything which requires extended writing very hard, and so that is where help has been concentrated. He does not have the creative and critical thinking needed for some subjects, so I have had to get him exempted where possible. He had to have about 20-30 hours of 1-1 help from a teacher to get him through English GCSE (which is a requirement for university). Coursework has been a nightmare. He is much better with an oral test where he is asked questions, but unfortunately exam boards do not offer this an option! I hope that as he gets older he will develop better skills in this area. But I'm quite happy to let him go at his own pace and not try to force it on him, because I believe he has to be socially and emotionally ready to learn. Everyone else has got to be prepared to accomodate his disability, as they would if it was physical, not expect him to be 'normal'. in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 >>Last year I referred my dd for a speech eval. The ST came back with " she >>is in the average range for expressive language and well above average for >>receptive " . So, of course, the school won't give her speech. I know she >>needs it. I am having tons of trouble putting the problem into words >>though. She has extreme difficulty with spontaneous expressive speech. >>For example, if you ask her a question that requires an emotional answer >>she can'tgive an answer. When she took the one of the speech tests the >>task was to look at a picture and tell what is happening. One was a pic >>of an adult woman with three children. She said to the ST " I think this >>is too advanced for me " after she put her head down, put her fingers to >>her mouth and seemed to withdraw. She has the same problem with writting. >>She can write about her favorite things (obsessions) and sometimes factual >>stuff but not anything that requires creative thinking. I don't know what >>this is called and how to go about getting help for her. Anyone have any >>ideas?<< I think it's called autism. It is not a speech problem per se, and so SALT will not help. Recognising and responding to emotions in yourself or others is very hard if not impossible for those with ASD. It needs to be dealt with within school by giving extra help, or changing writing assignments to things she can write about, which do not involve emotions. My son is 17 and has always found anything which requires extended writing very hard, and so that is where help has been concentrated. He does not have the creative and critical thinking needed for some subjects, so I have had to get him exempted where possible. He had to have about 20-30 hours of 1-1 help from a teacher to get him through English GCSE (which is a requirement for university). Coursework has been a nightmare. He is much better with an oral test where he is asked questions, but unfortunately exam boards do not offer this an option! I hope that as he gets older he will develop better skills in this area. But I'm quite happy to let him go at his own pace and not try to force it on him, because I believe he has to be socially and emotionally ready to learn. Everyone else has got to be prepared to accomodate his disability, as they would if it was physical, not expect him to be 'normal'. in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hi Patti, >>I made them write on her IEP that two psychiatrist have diagnosed her with >>autism. They claim they don't see it in an educational setting? Is it >>don't see, overlook it, or aren't educated enough to understand what it is >>they are seeing?<< The last mainly, but also don't want to acknowledge it because that would mean making accomodations and *spending money* on extra help within school. It's much easier to say 'bad parenting' or 'child who isn't very clever and won't succeed'! in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hi Patti, >>I made them write on her IEP that two psychiatrist have diagnosed her with >>autism. They claim they don't see it in an educational setting? Is it >>don't see, overlook it, or aren't educated enough to understand what it is >>they are seeing?<< The last mainly, but also don't want to acknowledge it because that would mean making accomodations and *spending money* on extra help within school. It's much easier to say 'bad parenting' or 'child who isn't very clever and won't succeed'! in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Rowell <nancy@...> wrote: I think it's called autism. It is not a speech problem per se, and so SALT will not help. LOL, very funny. It definately is part of the aspergers, no question. Her annual review is coming up and I have to be able to express what I think it is to the team. Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote: "theory of mind" Thanks, I had never heard that term before. I'm not quite sure what it means but I will look into it. Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Patti & Mike <mphig@...> wrote: Like your daughter, mine would have answered to the pic, it was a lady and kids. That would have been the extent to her creativity and imagination. wouldn't answer that question. At the time, I was on bedrest with my last pregnancy. It was very difficult for her to deal with. I think she somehow related that pic to my situation and it made her frightened. She could express that verbally so she just didn't answer. I'm not sure what it is but that seems to be the jist of it. Carol, mom to , 3/14/94 , 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 That's great news, Carol! speech services I am so happy. I just got off the phone with the speech therapist at 's school. She reevaluated her at the request of the psychologist looking specifically for pragmatic language. She tested her an she qualifies for speech services. Since there are only 5 weeks left of school she will start next school year 2x a week. Our annual review is Wednesday and we are having a full CSE rather than a subcommittee because we are making changes to the IEP. Next year besides the counseling and the OT she gets this year and the testing mods we are adding the speech, resource room and a goal for written work. It is funny what I get happy about these days. A few years ago I would have been very upset if my child needed all of these services. I am glad though that we are stepping up what is being done for her. She already has many compensatory skills that she developed herself. I am hoping that she will learn more and begin to feel more comfortable within her own skin. Carol, mom to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 The Shafer Center is now offering highly specialized Pediatric Speech-Language Services to the Baltimore County and surrounding areas. Specially trained professionals with expertise in the following areas are available: v Autism/Autism Spectrum Disorders v Asperger’s Syndrome v Developmental delays v Speech and language delays v Articulation disorders v Oral-motor disorders v Down Syndrome v ADD/ADHD v Stuttering v Social skills/pragmatic language deficits. A Mastered Speech Language pathologist is available for immediate services on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday afternoons between the hours of 1:30-5:00pm. Please call to schedule an appointment at (410) 517-1113. The Shafer Center 3738 Road Reisterstown, land 21071 Phone: 410-517-1113 Fax: 410-356-1345 Email: info@... http://www.shafercenter.com Accardo, Ph.D., BCBA __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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