Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I'm getting some negative attitudes about ABA from our autism specialist at school. Quote, " Because of all the ABA training he's had, he only responds to us when we say things a certain way. " For example, he will respond to " sit down " but maybe not " take a seat. " My question is, isn't that just part of autism? I specifically mean a difficulty generalizing language and other skills? I guess this is a common criticism of ABA but any suggestions on how to respond to this teacher? In my view, he wouldn't even be responding to " sit down " without ABA. The teacher readily admits he's one of the best behaved kids in her class. Also, does anyone know of any research that shows that lack of generalization really is or isn't a problem with DTT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I believe you are correct in your line of thought that the student would not even be able to follow the direction " sit down " if it were not for ABA. However, there is a significant amount of research on generalization and how to teach in a way that promotes generalization. Unfortunately, many ABA programs do not use that information to program for generalization. So while generalization continues to be an issue, it is not a reason to NOT use ABA. Instead its a reason for ABA to get better at generalization :0) At Potential, Inc., we will be offering workshops on generalization and other issues in the near future. Some technical terms for those who look up research: general case programming, teaching loosely, multiple exemplars e Quinby <http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can <http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA Executive Director Potential, Inc. 638 Newtown Yardley Road <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz =Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us> Commons West, Suite 1F Newtown, PA 18940 kquinby@... www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/> tel: tel2: fax: 888-AUTISM-0 215-579-0670 215-766-3832 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8589960430 & v0=50595 & k0=1679972177> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? [ ] Research on generalization I'm getting some negative attitudes about ABA from our autism specialist at school. Quote, " Because of all the ABA training he's had, he only responds to us when we say things a certain way. " For example, he will respond to " sit down " but maybe not " take a seat. " My question is, isn't that just part of autism? I specifically mean a difficulty generalizing language and other skills? I guess this is a common criticism of ABA but any suggestions on how to respond to this teacher? In my view, he wouldn't even be responding to " sit down " without ABA. The teacher readily admits he's one of the best behaved kids in her class. Also, does anyone know of any research that shows that lack of generalization really is or isn't a problem with DTT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I believe you are correct in your line of thought that the student would not even be able to follow the direction " sit down " if it were not for ABA. However, there is a significant amount of research on generalization and how to teach in a way that promotes generalization. Unfortunately, many ABA programs do not use that information to program for generalization. So while generalization continues to be an issue, it is not a reason to NOT use ABA. Instead its a reason for ABA to get better at generalization :0) At Potential, Inc., we will be offering workshops on generalization and other issues in the near future. Some technical terms for those who look up research: general case programming, teaching loosely, multiple exemplars e Quinby <http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can <http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA Executive Director Potential, Inc. 638 Newtown Yardley Road <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz =Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us> Commons West, Suite 1F Newtown, PA 18940 kquinby@... www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/> tel: tel2: fax: 888-AUTISM-0 215-579-0670 215-766-3832 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8589960430 & v0=50595 & k0=1679972177> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? [ ] Research on generalization I'm getting some negative attitudes about ABA from our autism specialist at school. Quote, " Because of all the ABA training he's had, he only responds to us when we say things a certain way. " For example, he will respond to " sit down " but maybe not " take a seat. " My question is, isn't that just part of autism? I specifically mean a difficulty generalizing language and other skills? I guess this is a common criticism of ABA but any suggestions on how to respond to this teacher? In my view, he wouldn't even be responding to " sit down " without ABA. The teacher readily admits he's one of the best behaved kids in her class. Also, does anyone know of any research that shows that lack of generalization really is or isn't a problem with DTT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Of course you are absolutely correct that is part of the autism. While we do everything we can to focus on generalization, it's really difficult for these kids. When a typically developing child first understands what a parent means when they say, " sit down, " they don't immediately grasp that, " have a seat, " " pull up a chair, " or " take your seat " means the same thing. Eventually they understand that those different phrases are basically the same through language and interaction. Obviously that is not what works for most kids with autism. We have to teach each of these skills. Nothing comes easy for these guys. While I don't know your son, I would have to agree that he might not even have, " sit down, " without ABA. If it is causing a problem in the classroom environment, which it doesn't really sound like it is, then I would say they have found what they should be working with your son. I am so sorry that you are having to deal with negative attitudes. The one thing I have learned in the last year is that no two children effected by autism learn exactly the same way or at the same pace. Is there something that the autism specialist thinks would have been more appropriate for your son? Best regards, Amber ___________________________ Amber D. Langford ABA/VB Therapist, Brick, NJ AmberDLangford@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 I don't know about any research but couldn't you instruct on the different ways people say things; for instance, my son would never pay attention to the teacher...he always had to be called on by name. We had to teach him to respond to different phrases that the teacher used to get the class's attention, such as: " Everybody, Class, Boys and Girls, " etc...Perhaps you could suggest they teach this in isolation and then provide the teacher with an index ring card so she would be sure to use the phrases during the day. Just a though... R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 I don't know about any research but couldn't you instruct on the different ways people say things; for instance, my son would never pay attention to the teacher...he always had to be called on by name. We had to teach him to respond to different phrases that the teacher used to get the class's attention, such as: " Everybody, Class, Boys and Girls, " etc...Perhaps you could suggest they teach this in isolation and then provide the teacher with an index ring card so she would be sure to use the phrases during the day. Just a though... R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 This might be more an issue of whether or not he is being " trained loosely. " Some suggestions from , Heron and Heward's Applied Behavior Analysis (page 577): use 2 or more teachers teach in 2 or more places teach from a variety of positions vary your tone of voice vary your choice of words show the stimuli from a variety of angles, using sometimes one hand and sometimes the other have other persons present sometimes and not other times dress quite differently on different days vary the reinforcers teach sometimes in bright light, sometimes in dim light teach sometimes in noisy settings, sometimes in quiet ones in any setting, vary the decorations, vary the furniture, and vary their locations vary the times of day when you and everyone else teach vary the temperature in the teaching settings vary the smells in the teaching settings within the limits possible vary the content of what's being taught do all of this as often and as unpredictable as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 This might be more an issue of whether or not he is being " trained loosely. " Some suggestions from , Heron and Heward's Applied Behavior Analysis (page 577): use 2 or more teachers teach in 2 or more places teach from a variety of positions vary your tone of voice vary your choice of words show the stimuli from a variety of angles, using sometimes one hand and sometimes the other have other persons present sometimes and not other times dress quite differently on different days vary the reinforcers teach sometimes in bright light, sometimes in dim light teach sometimes in noisy settings, sometimes in quiet ones in any setting, vary the decorations, vary the furniture, and vary their locations vary the times of day when you and everyone else teach vary the temperature in the teaching settings vary the smells in the teaching settings within the limits possible vary the content of what's being taught do all of this as often and as unpredictable as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Check out: Osnes & Lieblein: (2003) An Explicit Technology of Generalization- The Behavior Analyst Today, 3 (4), 364 www.behavior-analyst-online.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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