Re: OCD and Autism Connected?-diet success?

[Guest guest]

The flaw in this connection is that gut issues are not a symptom of OCD.  I

have severe OCD, but am doing very well

now, and my daughter does too, and she, like I was, is in the gifted program in

school and has no sensory issues.  I know

that there are kids we discuss here who are on the autistic spectrum and have

OCD, but this doesn't make them

the same disorder.  Often children with OCD have social issues because their

OCD fears/rituals make them seem " different "  

and also makes it difficult for them to be really cognizant of social things

going on around them.  This is very different from have a 

PDD.

OCD and Autism Connected?-diet success?

My 16 year old daughter has OCD-at times very severe.

I've done a lot of research over the years and tried many things and I

am seeing a connection to her doing better on a certain diet. It seems

most research related to diet has to do with autistic kids. There were

times her therapist thought she may be in early schizophrenic or have

Aspergers. I know she has sensory integration problems.

It appears to me that Autistic kids often have the whole range of

things-sensory, learning problems, developmental delays and OCD. I'm

staring to think of OC

D as high funcioning Autism-in the spectrum in a

sense. I know there are differences but I'm questioning these seemingly

seperate diagnosis when most kids have a few of them.

The reason I think this is interesting is that there are stories of

incredible changes with Autistic children and diet. A book called

the " Gut Psychology Syndrome " speaks to this. I also just read " louder

than words " a book about a boy who came out of severe autism.

I'm curious if anyone else out there is thinking along these lines or

has had success with the SCD diet that has helped autistic children.

-Lori

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just had to post on this one.For those of you who don't know my situation,  my

daughter(just turned 12) has been diagnosed with OCD, Bipolar and PDD-NOS. We

have tried just about every med, therapy, etc. She has been hospitalized twice

and in partial for 2 years in the past.

She has a lot of obsessions which center around vomitting also.

Anyway, I started her on a gluten free diet last Monday, and this kid turned

into a different child. She was calm, could think and reason through things, no

defiance, no oppositional behavior, etc. I never believed in these diets

working, but I was grasping at straws with her. I know for certain her

improvement was from the diet because last night she had a cookie, and literally

within a half an hour I saw her deteriorate before my eyes. She was lying on the

floor, being defiant , and than began to shut down. Now this morning ,she is

okay.

Just wanted to share!

Hugs

Judy

[Guest guest]

This is an interesting distinction (aside from diet issues) and I

wonder how easy it is to make. My kids (3)with OCD also have social

issues and sensory issues, yet do not fit criteria for autistc

spectrum disorders- that is depending upon whom you talk to. I have

had practioners tell me my daughter (when she was 8) has autism (or

ASD or apsergers or PDD) and others tell me she does not. She was

pycho-educationally evaluated through our highschool last year, and a

couple reasons thay gave for her not being in autistic spectrum is

that she apparently tries to dress too fashionably (though it comes

out odd) and she colors her hair and nails, and she desires a social

life. When she was in treatment for eating diorder they said she has

social skills but they are blocked by social anxiety, sensory anxiety

and ocd issues (so no ASD). However our p-doc, who has known her

longest, says she is in PDD spectrum, she also says this about my

son. She bases it upon their severe sensory dx, difficulty working in

any therapy due to quirky perceptions (like literalism-which has

dimished with maturity for my daughter ), narrow ranges of interest

and social difficulties. The thing is my kids lose skills, including

social, and the sensory stuff can wax-making them seem more in PDD or

ASD spectrum, or kind of off and on. I think my kids have OCD wth a

little bit more thrown in, but it is hard to define. There are

people clearly with just straight OCD (like the radio-show guy who

wrote a book recently,-Jeff something?) and they obviusly do not

have anything " extra " with the OCD.

nancy grace

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> The flaw in this connection is that gut issues are not a symptom of

OCD.  I have severe OCD, but am doing very well

> now, and my daughter does too, and she, like I was, is in the

gifted program in school and has no sensory issues.  I know

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> that there are kids we discuss here who are on the autistic

spectrum and have OCD, but this doesn't make them

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> the same disorder.  Often children with OCD have social issues

because their OCD fears/rituals make them seem " different "  

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> and also makes it difficult for them to be really cognizant of

social things going on around them.  This is very different from

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[Guest guest]

I appreciate all the feedback.

To share more of my story-my daughter has had issues since age three

with sensory issues. It was clear at age 12 she had OCD. Two years

ago a naturopath suggested a digestive analysis and it showed her gut

had all kinds of issues, even though she didn't complain of stomach

problems. She had some parasites and an intestinal fungas. What blew

me away was her reaction to the fungal treatment. At first her OCD

went sky high which showed me there was some connection-the DR said

this was good news in that it could mean part of the OCD was

exacerrbated by the fungas. Since then there has been a lot of

improvement and every time she has a hard time we go back to the

yeast free diet and she shows improvement. I'm considering being more

strict though and doing the SCD diet that many autistic kids are

showing improvement with and stick with it for longer to see if we

can get better results.

There are some doctors and books suggesting Autism, ADD, OCD etc are

neurological disorders that are connected to gut problems and that

these kids usually have problems with their guts. They respond to

things that help the gut-a yeast free diet or the specific

carbohydrate diet. The gluten free diet from what I understand helps

because there is usually a leaky gut situation and the gluten acts

like a drug crossing the barrier. If the gluten free diet helps then

it may mean there are underlining leaky gut issues that need to be

healed.

Maybe it doesn't matter if OCD is a subset of Autism but it does seem

many people have a mix of labels and often a question about more than

one diagnosis fitting their child. The only reason it matters to me

is that I think it opens up the way we think about treatment.

>

> Hi,

> I just had to post on this one.For those of you who don't know my

situation,  my daughter(just turned 12) has been diagnosed with OCD,

Bipolar and PDD-NOS. We have tried just about every med, therapy,

etc. She has been hospitalized twice and in partial for 2 years in

the past.

> She has a lot of obsessions which center around vomitting also.

> Anyway, I started her on a gluten free diet last Monday, and this

kid turned into a different child. She was calm, could think and

reason through things, no defiance, no oppositional behavior, etc. I

never believed in these diets working, but I was grasping at straws

with her. I know for certain her improvement was from the diet

because last night she had a cookie, and literally within a half an

hour I saw her deteriorate before my eyes. She was lying on the

floor, being defiant , and than began to shut down. Now this

morning ,she is okay.

> Just wanted to share!

> Hugs

> Judy

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi again, I was looking at the specific carb diet earlier this week.

And I've wondered about possible yeast/fungal. Sigh, guess I'll get

back to looking at all this and choose something that seems easiest

to try without letting know that I'm trying it, just

maybe " trying new things.... " Do you think probiotics (which I was

also reading about) might be good to start with, or did you just jump

into the yeast-free? Any website info/link you've found you use the

most, so many turn up when I search?

Feel free to email me privately too!

@...

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> I appreciate all the feedback.

> To share more of my story-my daughter has had issues since age

three

> with sensory issues. It was clear at age 12 she had OCD. Two years

> ago a naturopath suggested a digestive analysis and it showed her

gut

> had all kinds of issues, even though she didn't complain of stomach

> problems. She had some parasites and an intestinal fungas. What

blew

> me away was her reaction to the fungal treatment. At first her OCD

> went sky high which showed me there was some connection-the DR said

[Guest guest]

Could you share any references that you have that show a connection OCD and gut

problems.

I have been on the OCD-Support list on yahoo for ages and I have never heard

this connection

in all that time,  nor have I read about it in any literature on OCD.

Re: OCD and Autism Connected?-diet success?

I appreciate all the feedback.

To share more of my story-my daughter has had issues since age three

with sensory issues. It was clear at age 12 she had OCD. Two years

ago a naturopath suggested a digestive analysis and it showed her gut

had all kinds of issues, even though she didn't complain of stomach

problems. She had some parasites and an intestinal fungas. What blew

me away was her reaction to the fungal treatment. At first her OCD

went sky high which showed me there was some connection-the DR said

this was good news in that it could mean part of the OCD was

exacerrbated by the fungas. Since then there has been a lot of

improvement and every time she has a hard time we go back to the

yeast free diet and she shows improvement. I'm considering being more

strict though and doing the SCD diet that many autistic kids are

showing improvement with and stick with it for longer to see if

we

can get better results.

There are some doctors and books suggesting Autism, ADD, OCD etc are

neurological disorders that are connected to gut problems and that

these kids usually have problems with their guts. They respond to

things that help the gut-a yeast free diet or the specific

carbohydrate diet. The gluten free diet from what I understand helps

because there is usually a leaky gut situation and the gluten acts

like a drug crossing the barrier. If the gluten free diet helps then

it may mean there are underlining leaky gut issues that need to be

healed.

Maybe it doesn't matter if OCD is a subset of Autism but it does seem

many people have a mix of labels and often a question about more than

one diagnosis fitting their child. The only reason it matters to me

is that I think it opens up the way we think about treatment.

>

> Hi,

> I just had to post on this one.For those of you who don't know my

situation,  my daughter(just turned 12) has been diagnosed with OCD,

Bipolar and PDD-NOS. We have tried just about every med, therapy,

etc. She has been hospitalized twice and in partial for 2 years in

the past.

> She has a lot of obsessions which center around vomitting also.

> Anyway, I started her on a gluten free diet last Monday, and this

kid turned into a different child. She was calm, could think and

reason through things, no defiance, no oppositional behavior, etc. I

never believed in these diets working, but I was grasping at straws

with her. I know for certain her improvement was from the diet

because last night she had a cookie, and literally within a half an

hour I saw her deteriorate before my eyes. She was lying on the

floor, being defiant , and than began to shut down. Now this

morning ,she is okay.

> Just wanted to share!

> Hugs

> Judy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My daughter,(now 12) has had sensory issues since infancy, as well as stomach

problems. She was diagnosed with OCD at age 5, bipolar at age 6, PDD-NOS at age

8, and a mix of other things in between.(all depending on the doctors)

I will say this gluten free diet is working great. It has worked better than any

med she has ever been on, and she has been on 24 different med combinations.

I always thought the diet thing was a " crock " until I actually decided to break

down and apply it.

It's not easy, but it's working for her. There is a 90% improvement!!!!!

Hugs

Judy

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Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:54:50 PM

Subject: Re: OCD and Autism Connected?-diet success?

I appreciate all the feedback.

To share more of my story-my daughter has had issues since age three

with sensory issues. It was clear at age 12 she had OCD. Two years

ago a naturopath suggested a digestive analysis and it showed her gut

had all kinds of issues, even though she didn't complain of stomach

problems. She had some parasites and an intestinal fungas. What blew

me away was her reaction to the fungal treatment. At first her OCD

went sky high which showed me there was some connection-the DR said

this was good news in that it could mean part of the OCD was

exacerrbated by the fungas. Since then there has been a lot of

improvement and every time she has a hard time we go back to the

yeast free diet and she shows improvement. I'm considering being more

strict though and doing the SCD diet that many autistic kids are

showing improvement with and stick with it for longer to see if we

can get better results.

There are some doctors and books suggesting Autism, ADD, OCD etc are

neurological disorders that are connected to gut problems and that

these kids usually have problems with their guts. They respond to

things that help the gut-a yeast free diet or the specific

carbohydrate diet. The gluten free diet from what I understand helps

because there is usually a leaky gut situation and the gluten acts

like a drug crossing the barrier. If the gluten free diet helps then

it may mean there are underlining leaky gut issues that need to be

healed.

Maybe it doesn't matter if OCD is a subset of Autism but it does seem

many people have a mix of labels and often a question about more than

one diagnosis fitting their child. The only reason it matters to me

is that I think it opens up the way we think about treatment.

>

> Hi,

> I just had to post on this one.For those of you who don't know my

situation,  my daughter(just turned 12) has been diagnosed with OCD,

Bipolar and PDD-NOS. We have tried just about every med, therapy,

etc. She has been hospitalized twice and in partial for 2 years in

the past.

> She has a lot of obsessions which center around vomitting also.

> Anyway, I started her on a gluten free diet last Monday, and this

kid turned into a different child. She was calm, could think and

reason through things, no defiance, no oppositional behavior, etc. I

never believed in these diets working, but I was grasping at straws

with her. I know for certain her improvement was from the diet

because last night she had a cookie, and literally within a half an

hour I saw her deteriorate before my eyes. She was lying on the

floor, being defiant , and than began to shut down. Now this

morning ,she is okay.

> Just wanted to share!

> Hugs

> Judy

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's a good question about the carbs/serotonin, not sure, Chris. I

haven't heard that, but that doesn't mean anything. <smirk>

I made healthy changes to our diet a few years ago, trying to eat more

nutritiously. My family adapted without even knowing they did. lol

I know what you mean about the expense. Nothing cheap about fruits or

vegetables, lean meat, or organics.

It never hurts to try a diet change. If it works like it has for

Judy, that's great.

BTW, Judy, glad to hear it helped your daughter.

BJ

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> > no authority here, but wanted to chime in with my

> experience.

> > I had a doc/naturopath put me on probiotics once after testing for

> > stomach stuff, after having my gallbladder out, which caused

> issues. .

> > . .Anyway, to the point. You can overdo, and cause other stomach

> > issues. So I found taking it low and slow is a GOOD idea.

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> > BJ

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[Guest guest]

Celiac disease is associated with neuro-psych manifestations. Could

that association possibly be extrapolated to include a link between

ocd/anxiety and gluten intolerance? Pubmed might have something.

nancy grace

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> > Hi,

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> > I just had to post on this one.For those of you who don't know my

>

> situation,  my daughter(just turned 12) has been diagnosed with

OCD,

>

> Bipolar and PDD-NOS. We have tried just about every med, therapy,

>

> etc. She has been hospitalized twice and in partial for 2 years in

>

> the past.

>

> > She has a lot of obsessions which center around vomitting also.

>

> > Anyway, I started her on a gluten free diet last Monday, and this

>

> kid turned into a different child. She was calm, could think and

>

>

> reason through things, no defiance, no oppositional behavior, etc.

I

>

> never believed in these diets working, but I was grasping at straws

>

> with her. I know for certain her improvement was from the diet

>

> because last night she had a cookie, and literally within a half an

>

> hour I saw her deteriorate before my eyes. She was lying on the

>

> floor, being defiant , and than began to shut down. Now this

>

> morning ,she is okay.

>

> > Just wanted to share!

>

> > Hugs

>

> > Judy

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

>> Celiac disease is associated with neuro-psych manifestations. Could

that association possibly be extrapolated to include a link between

ocd/anxiety and gluten intolerance?

Whoa! This is news to me . . . makes me seriously wonder!

My MIL has always been a little bitty thing (as is my daughter) but was not

formally diagnosed with Celiac's until she was in her 50's and had dropped below

85 lbs (she's 5 foot 2 inches). She had significant muscle wasting and

permanent damage by that time and now has signifcant bone loss as well. She has

never shown any OCD/anxiety issues, however.

Kate was tested for Celiac's at age two or three due to her growth issues. She

tested negative but it was the blood test (not the cilia test) so all it means

is that she either does not have Celiac's or that it just wasn't active at that

time. Other than the failure to grow at the same rate as her peers, Kate

doesn't have any other symptoms of Celiac's.

I'm very curious to know if there is a link between the two and whether a

gluten-free diet may " cure " Kate's OCD or at least prevent it from getting worse

(it is mild and very well controlled without meds for now).

Beth

[Guest guest]

Well any disease that causes malabsorption thus nutrient deficiency

can have adverse effects on brain function (there are some

nutritional deficiencies specifically linked to psychosis for

example, like pellagra) but maybe people who are already in the

anxiety spectrum will have more pronounced adverse effects. My

daughter with pre-existing OCD dealt with a very sevre eating

disorder age 12 to 14-15 and her OCD rituals and and behaviors became

crazier than I could ever have imagined (she is alot better now). My

dad has malabsorption due to carcinoid cancer of the intestine, he

has had alot of difficulty controlling his moods anxiety and

depression since the onset. Carcinoid sufferers agree that this is

part of the syndrome and caused by nutrient deficiency and effects of

excess serotonin in the gut. I would think you would have to

diagnose celiac disease before undertaking a gluten free diet,

though, due to the fact that going gluten free could make it harder

to get balanced nutrition into a child if you are not very exacting

about it.

nancy grace

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> >> Celiac disease is associated with neuro-psych manifestations.

Could

> that association possibly be extrapolated to include a link between

> ocd/anxiety and gluten intolerance?

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> Whoa! This is news to me . . . makes me seriously wonder!

>

> My MIL has always been a little bitty thing (as is my daughter) but

was not formally diagnosed with Celiac's until she was in her 50's

and had dropped below 85 lbs (she's 5 foot 2 inches). She had

significant muscle wasting and permanent damage by that time and now

has signifcant bone loss as well. She has never shown any

OCD/anxiety issues, however.

>

> Kate was tested for Celiac's at age two or three due to her growth

issues. She tested negative but it was the blood test (not the cilia

test) so all it means is that she either does not have Celiac's or

that it just wasn't active at that time. Other than the failure to

grow at the same rate as her peers, Kate doesn't have any other

symptoms of Celiac's.

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> I'm very curious to know if there is a link between the two and

whether a gluten-free diet may " cure " Kate's OCD or at least prevent

it from getting worse (it is mild and very well controlled without

meds for now).

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> Beth

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[Guest guest]

Jordana,

 I never said there was a connection.

I also try to read everything possible about OCD ,seeing I have it myself, as

well as two of my kids.

 I personally decided to try my child on this diet for all of her stomach issues

as well as her behavioral problems.

I was always skeptical of these diets and after 12 years ,decided to give it a

try.If it helps, I would prefer to continue her on it , rather than keep her on

4-5 different psychotropic meds.

Take Care,

Judy

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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:03:44 PM

Subject: Re: Re: OCD and Autism Connected?-diet success?

My son who doesn't have OCD or any other issues that we discuss here has been

having stomach pains for a year.  He has had two consultations with a top

pediatric gastroenterologist.  She ruled out celiac after blood testing.  Later

she did an endoscopy to rule out other things. 

Regardless, I think it is REALLY important not to put our kids through things

like special diets with all the implications it has for them, unless there is a

real reason to indicate it.  I think it is VERY important to have real

scientific research that shows a connection between OCD and another issue before

making that jump.  I have no stomach issues and have had severe OCD since

childhood and my daughter is the same.  I try to read anything and everything

that comes out about OCD from reliable sources and I have never seen a shred of

evidence or indication that there is connection between gluten in the diet and

OCD. 

Re: OCD and Autism Connected?-diet success?

Celiac disease is associated with neuro-psych manifestations. Could

that association possibly be extrapolated to include a link between

ocd/anxiety and gluten intolerance? Pubmed might have something.

nancy grace

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> > I just had to post on this one.For those of you who don't know my

>

> situation,  my daughter(just turned 12) has been diagnosed with

OCD,

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> Bipolar and PDD-NOS. We have tried just about every med, therapy,

>

> etc. She has been hospitalized twice and in partial for 2 years in

>

> the past.

>

> > She has a lot of obsessions which center around vomitting also.

>

> > Anyway, I started her on a gluten free diet last Monday, and this

>

> kid turned into a different child. She was calm, could think and

>

>

> reason through things, no defiance, no oppositional behavior, etc.

I

>

> never believed in these diets working,20but I was grasping at straws

>

> with her. I know for certain her improvement was from the diet

>

> because last night she had a cookie, and literally within a half an

>

> hour I saw her deteriorate before my eyes. She was lying on the

>

> floor, being defiant , and than began to shut down. Now this

>

> morning ,she is okay.

>

> > Just wanted to share!

>

> > Hugs

>

> > Judy

>

> >

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[Guest guest]

Judy, I have not read the whole thread about diets but if you need any help

with the gluten-free diet, please let me know. My son was diagnosed with

Celiac 4 years ago so we are pretty well-practiced in it. Let me know if you

need any links, resources or recommendations! Celiac.com is also a great

website.

Annie

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Barb,your post sums it all up!!!

Hugs

Judy

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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:26:09 PM

Subject: Re: OCD and Autism Connected?-diet success?

The challenge is that sometimes research does exist but is

disregarded, and that traditional medical models often don't have

all/any answers. So you are left with finding answers for yourself.

While I agree it is unbalancing to make drastic changes in diet etc,

having done it many times, sometimes you have to try things to find

the answers, and you can pace it so it needn't be drastic.

When nothing is working and your kid is so severe and you try

something and it works it's worth it. Personally I feel that

eliminating gluten for a week to see the effect vs trying out a new

med much less problematic really.

I, like your son, had stomach issues for years, did all the

traditional tests, no answers. Basically ended up feeling it was in

my head, and maybe in one sense it was...

As an adult I did my own research, found alternative practioners, and

through diet changes, supplements, homeopathic remedies, and various

other things found answers. I no longer have stomach issues, unless

I eat something I know I shouldn't, but at least then it is an

informed choice.

Through my research I learned that some people's brain can have an

allergic reaction to commonly eaten foods such as milk, wheat, corn.

This is pretty commonly known now. As to why this is, that would be

a question I would like to see studied. I would not think it the

cause for OCD, but can be an aggravating/ contributing factor. The

total load principle.

Stomach issues often go with anxiety disorders, depression. The

stomach is considered the second brain, so it makes sense. As to

what the answer is, I'm sure that it individual.

My concern would be thinking a diet change was " the answer " vs

medication if it was actually needed. But on the other hand if you

got results and did not need medication that would be fabulous.

Just my thoughts on this.

Barb

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>

> > > I just had to post on this one.For those of you who don't know

my

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > situation,  my daughter(just turned 12) has been diagnosed

with

>

>

>

> OCD,

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > Bipolar and PDD-NOS. We have tried just about every med, therapy,

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > etc. She has been hospitalized twice and in partial for 2 years

in

>

>

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> >

>

>

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> > the past.

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> >

>

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> > > She has a lot of obsessions which center around vomitting also.

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > > Anyway, I started her on a gluten free diet last Monday, and

this

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> >

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> > kid turned into a different child. She was calm, could think and

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[Guest guest]

OK, have to jump in with my thoughts.

This topic started out about possible OCD, autism connection. Well -

autism does include obsessive behaviors and ritual type. Now OCD

falls under anxiety disorders (last I read; also read somewhere about

getting that changed). The behaviors that occur in autism aren't

anxiety related (unless you try to stop them), they are more a

calming behavior. Oh, you can work on the autism type if parent

feels it's something that needs changed, probably similar to CBT, but

also could vary with child (based on functioning level).

Still to me, it's very interesting that two separate " disorders " can

have such similar behaviors.

And lots of the diagnoses are all neurological.

Serotonin isn't the only brain chemical involved with OCD. It's just

the neurotransmitter that the medications focus on since it's obvious

it helps the OCD.

I find it hard to believe that everyone with OCD would have the

same...cause? chemical imbalance? reason? for OCD. Plus with the

different behaviors OCD causes (from checking things to repeating

things to confessing or just bad thoughts) it just doesn't seem, to

me, there would be one " trigger " for it all (thus the different

neurotransmitters).

OK, LOL, so I'm getting to the diets, even supplements. What works

for one person may work for them because that is what their body

needs. Perhaps it's balancing out those " brain chemicals " ; or maybe

the allergic type reaction to some food/ingredient or that the body

can't handle processing the food/ingredient and is messing up the

body some way, by withdrawing that food/ingred the OC behavior

stops. Hey, my sons seem fine with foods with red or yellow dye,

other kids it causes problem behavior.

I've tried lots of supplements/alternatives with . And one

SSRI. The SSRI worked well. The alternative (inositol powder)

worked well at one time, didn't help a bit years later when re-tried

it. But inositol has helped others, and some it hasn't.

Just saying that there is not one solution for all, there is no *one*

cause/trigger for OCD in everyone, and I like to read what others are

theorizing about and also trying, and especially the successes. And

it's good to ask questions and " where did you read that " but

sometimes it's just sort of " parent theory. " (like my reading about

glucose and trying to tie it to OC behavior at one time)

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