RE: PECs vs. topography based (sign)

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The important part of choosing an augmentative system is that you use the

principles of VB to teach it. If you are able to read Partington and

Sundberg's book " Teaching language to Children with Autism and Other

Developmental Disabilities " , they have a whole chapter on this topic.

To sum it up: Sign language is preferred since you don't have to buy

anything and you always have your hands with you. There is also a theory

that sign language is closer to spoken language since each word has a

different topography and therefore is easier to learn. I don't think there

is research to support that but there may be something I'm not aware of.

PECS would be the next choice since its protocol is taken from VB

principles. The argument against PECS is that the topography of the request

(handing a picture) is always the same, the effort to find and hand over a

picture is harder than making a sign, and symbols used for pictures are

often pictures of signs if it is not easily represented by a picture. There

has been research that shows it is more a function of the child's preference

for one system or another but I don't have the references handy at this

time. I have tried PECS with kids that do better with sign and vice versa.

Both have been shown to increase vocal language. Parents often know their

kids best and can help determine which system would work best for their

child's learning.

Sincerely,

e

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[ ] PECs vs. topography based (sign)

What are you thoughts in regards to using a topography based AAC

system vs. PECS when using Applied Verbal Behavior. What does the

research say?

Darcy

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The important part of choosing an augmentative system is that you use the

principles of VB to teach it. If you are able to read Partington and

Sundberg's book " Teaching language to Children with Autism and Other

Developmental Disabilities " , they have a whole chapter on this topic.

To sum it up: Sign language is preferred since you don't have to buy

anything and you always have your hands with you. There is also a theory

that sign language is closer to spoken language since each word has a

different topography and therefore is easier to learn. I don't think there

is research to support that but there may be something I'm not aware of.

PECS would be the next choice since its protocol is taken from VB

principles. The argument against PECS is that the topography of the request

(handing a picture) is always the same, the effort to find and hand over a

picture is harder than making a sign, and symbols used for pictures are

often pictures of signs if it is not easily represented by a picture. There

has been research that shows it is more a function of the child's preference

for one system or another but I don't have the references handy at this

time. I have tried PECS with kids that do better with sign and vice versa.

Both have been shown to increase vocal language. Parents often know their

kids best and can help determine which system would work best for their

child's learning.

Sincerely,

e

<http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can

<http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn

e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA

Executive Director Potential, Inc.

638 Newtown Yardley Road

<http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz

=Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us>

Commons West, Suite 1F

Newtown, PA 18940

kquinby@...

www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/>

tel:

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fax: 888-AUTISM-0

215-579-0670

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[ ] PECs vs. topography based (sign)

What are you thoughts in regards to using a topography based AAC

system vs. PECS when using Applied Verbal Behavior. What does the

research say?

Darcy

[Guest guest]

I think you should read the book " augmentative and alternative

communication " by Pat Mirenda.

In PECS, children have a vew choice; in signs, you need word retrieving. Of

course signs are higher than PCS in PECS and is closer to speach but it

depends on the child's processing capabilities.

In non verbal autistic children I use PECS untill phase III or IV. Later on,

I preffere to shift to signs or directly oral language if they can. My son

had to follow all the steps very systematically as he has oral apraxia; but

this not frequent.

na

[Guest guest]

I think you should read the book " augmentative and alternative

communication " by Pat Mirenda.

In PECS, children have a vew choice; in signs, you need word retrieving. Of

course signs are higher than PCS in PECS and is closer to speach but it

depends on the child's processing capabilities.

In non verbal autistic children I use PECS untill phase III or IV. Later on,

I preffere to shift to signs or directly oral language if they can. My son

had to follow all the steps very systematically as he has oral apraxia; but

this not frequent.

na