Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 It's a great video for preaching to the choir, but I don't think this will reach the audience it so desperately needs to reach. When I was a contraceptor, back when I had turned away from the Church, I would have turned a blind eye to this message - I would have seen her as *another religious nutcase*. Her experience wouldn't have made a dent to me, unfortunately. We need to be more compelling. Less religious/pious. Use more hard data and statistics that show how women are being used as sexual objects, find more abortion victims who can attest to " I had no choice " - find hard facts that show how dirty abortion clinics are, how you don't see a doctor, I really liked the movie Blood Money. I think it gives us a lot of ammunition on how to fight the battle. We need to find ways to " educate the pagans " and walk with them, as well as catechizing our own neighbors in the pew - reach them where they are. We can't be making them feel guilty, we need to walk the walk, talk the talk, show how we like to have fun, show that the Catholic Church is not " down with sex " but sees it as a good and Holy thing. We need to LOVE them! We also need to repeat the message that the HHS attack is an attack on our 1st Amendment rights. We have a huge mission on our hands, and we have to find ways to get out into the muck and mire of our culture to reach them where they are. We need to recruit young, vibrant, articulate people who are ardent in their faith! I also think that the diocese of Cincinnati had a good idea, but it needs to be elaborated and expanded on to reach the " crunchy " - save the earth - Al Gore mindset people that NFP IS green and we are called to be stewards of the earth - our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit! Okay...that's all that this tired Mommy's brain can spit out right now. Sorry if it's more of a rant than actual contribution - I'm trying! Warmly O'Connor, RNA Gift: NFP/FA ServicesMarquette MethodCCL Certified Very good... To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:08 AMSubject: FW: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 PM Subject: I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 I agree with , this is far too preachy. The comments are instructive. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C.Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:34 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta It's a great video for preaching to the choir, but I don't think this will reach the audience it so desperately needs to reach. When I was a contraceptor, back when I had turned away from the Church, I would have turned a blind eye to this message - I would have seen her as *another religious nutcase*. Her experience wouldn't have made a dent to me, unfortunately. We need to be more compelling. Less religious/pious. Use more hard data and statistics that show how women are being used as sexual objects, find more abortion victims who can attest to " I had no choice " - find hard facts that show how dirty abortion clinics are, how you don't see a doctor, I really liked the movie Blood Money. I think it gives us a lot of ammunition on how to fight the battle. We need to find ways to " educate the pagans " and walk with them, as well as catechizing our own neighbors in the pew - reach them where they are. We can't be making them feel guilty, we need to walk the walk, talk the talk, show how we like to have fun, show that the Catholic Church is not " down with sex " but sees it as a good and Holy thing. We need to LOVE them! We also need to repeat the message that the HHS attack is an attack on our 1st Amendment rights. We have a huge mission on our hands, and we have to find ways to get out into the muck and mire of our culture to reach them where they are. We need to recruit young, vibrant, articulate people who are ardent in their faith! I also think that the diocese of Cincinnati had a good idea, but it needs to be elaborated and expanded on to reach the " crunchy " - save the earth - Al Gore mindset people that NFP IS green and we are called to be stewards of the earth - our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit! Okay...that's all that this tired Mommy's brain can spit out right now. Sorry if it's more of a rant than actual contribution - I'm trying! Warmly O'Connor, RNA Gift: NFP/FA ServicesMarquette MethodCCL Certified Very good... To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:08 AMSubject: FW: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 PMSubject: I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Part of our outreach is directed at fallen asleep Catholics, is it not? Do we have a role in the New Evangelization or not? If we can't mention God or Jesus and just preach studies and facts, we have become as bad as the secularist, "enlightened" society which is trying to silence our voice...rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TSender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:47:59 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta I agree with , this is far too preachy. The comments are instructive. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C.Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:34 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta It's a great video for preaching to the choir, but I don't think this will reach the audience it so desperately needs to reach. When I was a contraceptor, back when I had turned away from the Church, I would have turned a blind eye to this message - I would have seen her as *another religious nutcase*. Her experience wouldn't have made a dent to me, unfortunately. We need to be more compelling. Less religious/pious. Use more hard data and statistics that show how women are being used as sexual objects, find more abortion victims who can attest to " I had no choice " - find hard facts that show how dirty abortion clinics are, how you don't see a doctor, I really liked the movie Blood Money. I think it gives us a lot of ammunition on how to fight the battle. We need to find ways to " educate the pagans " and walk with them, as well as catechizing our own neighbors in the pew - reach them where they are. We can't be making them feel guilty, we need to walk the walk, talk the talk, show how we like to have fun, show that the Catholic Church is not " down with sex " but sees it as a good and Holy thing. We need to LOVE them! We also need to repeat the message that the HHS attack is an attack on our 1st Amendment rights. We have a huge mission on our hands, and we have to find ways to get out into the muck and mire of our culture to reach them where they are. We need to recruit young, vibrant, articulate people who are ardent in their faith! I also think that the diocese of Cincinnati had a good idea, but it needs to be elaborated and expanded on to reach the " crunchy " - save the earth - Al Gore mindset people that NFP IS green and we are called to be stewards of the earth - our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit! Okay...that's all that this tired Mommy's brain can spit out right now. Sorry if it's more of a rant than actual contribution - I'm trying! Warmly O'Connor, RNA Gift: NFP/FA ServicesMarquette MethodCCL Certified Very good... To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:08 AMSubject: FW: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 PMSubject: I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Let's try not to be too picky! All of the above is needed, and sometimes what we're so sure wouldn't reach an individual actually would. I think the message is powerful, and a good complement to the others. Preachy? Well, maybe, but nothing particularly wrong with that. Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...) Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX) pedullad@... I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 ,Thinking of Catholic Christians and other Christians who are part of this list, I agree that we have the call and occasion to evangelize while I acknowledge that there are friends of other religious beliefs in our group. There is room for various approaches and messages. Kalley is respectful, authentic and clear. I shared her video with others on Facebook and Twitter. Because of our background in health related fields and different religious backgrounds I can see why we should focus on the harm contraceptives do to women (and men) and on our first Amendment rights (and prior to that, our human rights). Having said that, I think it is good to welcome the good that others are doing, even if we do not endorse it as a group, Fr. Part of our outreach is directed at fallen asleep Catholics, is it not? Do we have a role in the New Evangelization or not? If we can't mention God or Jesus and just preach studies and facts, we have become as bad as the secularist, " enlightened " society which is trying to silence our voice...rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:47:59 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta I agree with , this is far too preachy. The comments are instructive. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C. Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:34 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta It's a great video for preaching to the choir, but I don't think this will reach the audience it so desperately needs to reach. When I was a contraceptor, back when I had turned away from the Church, I would have turned a blind eye to this message - I would have seen her as *another religious nutcase*. Her experience wouldn't have made a dent to me, unfortunately. We need to be more compelling. Less religious/pious. Use more hard data and statistics that show how women are being used as sexual objects, find more abortion victims who can attest to " I had no choice " - find hard facts that show how dirty abortion clinics are, how you don't see a doctor, I really liked the movie Blood Money. I think it gives us a lot of ammunition on how to fight the battle. We need to find ways to " educate the pagans " and walk with them, as well as catechizing our own neighbors in the pew - reach them where they are. We can't be making them feel guilty, we need to walk the walk, talk the talk, show how we like to have fun, show that the Catholic Church is not " down with sex " but sees it as a good and Holy thing. We need to LOVE them! We also need to repeat the message that the HHS attack is an attack on our 1st Amendment rights. We have a huge mission on our hands, and we have to find ways to get out into the muck and mire of our culture to reach them where they are. We need to recruit young, vibrant, articulate people who are ardent in their faith! I also think that the diocese of Cincinnati had a good idea, but it needs to be elaborated and expanded on to reach the " crunchy " - save the earth - Al Gore mindset people that NFP IS green and we are called to be stewards of the earth - our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit! Okay...that's all that this tired Mommy's brain can spit out right now. Sorry if it's more of a rant than actual contribution - I'm trying! Warmly O'Connor, RN A Gift: NFP/FA ServicesMarquette MethodCCL Certified Very good... To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: FW: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 PM Subject: I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Thank you Dominic and Fr . Hope I didn't sound too preachy just now, and if I did, please forgive me. Catholics and Christians of course began this journey together and we will come back together eventually. Our particular witness and work on such issues as abortion, birth control, NFP can help quell some of the divisions that have developed (ie since Lambath). It is my sincere prayer that we can thread the needle between Truth and evangelization while not succumbing to secularism and not appearing pious or preachy. But the doctors that attracted me to NFP were in fact holy. Would I be drawn as much if they simply knew neat facts? We must be who we are called to be. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TSender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:13:10 -0700To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ,Thinking of Catholic Christians and other Christians who are part of this list, I agree that we have the call and occasion to evangelize while I acknowledge that there are friends of other religious beliefs in our group.There is room for various approaches and messages. Kalley is respectful, authentic and clear. I shared her video with others on Facebook and Twitter.Because of our background in health related fields and different religious backgrounds I can see why we should focus on the harm contraceptives do to women (and men) and on our first Amendment rights (and prior to that, our human rights).Having said that, I think it is good to welcome the good that others are doing, even if we do not endorse it as a group,Fr. Part of our outreach is directed at fallen asleep Catholics, is it not? Do we have a role in the New Evangelization or not? If we can't mention God or Jesus and just preach studies and facts, we have become as bad as the secularist, " enlightened " society which is trying to silence our voice...rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & TSender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:47:59 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta I agree with , this is far too preachy. The comments are instructive. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C.Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:34 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta It's a great video for preaching to the choir, but I don't think this will reach the audience it so desperately needs to reach. When I was a contraceptor, back when I had turned away from the Church, I would have turned a blind eye to this message - I would have seen her as *another religious nutcase*. Her experience wouldn't have made a dent to me, unfortunately. We need to be more compelling. Less religious/pious. Use more hard data and statistics that show how women are being used as sexual objects, find more abortion victims who can attest to " I had no choice " - find hard facts that show how dirty abortion clinics are, how you don't see a doctor, I really liked the movie Blood Money. I think it gives us a lot of ammunition on how to fight the battle. We need to find ways to " educate the pagans " and walk with them, as well as catechizing our own neighbors in the pew - reach them where they are. We can't be making them feel guilty, we need to walk the walk, talk the talk, show how we like to have fun, show that the Catholic Church is not " down with sex " but sees it as a good and Holy thing. We need to LOVE them! We also need to repeat the message that the HHS attack is an attack on our 1st Amendment rights. We have a huge mission on our hands, and we have to find ways to get out into the muck and mire of our culture to reach them where they are. We need to recruit young, vibrant, articulate people who are ardent in their faith! I also think that the diocese of Cincinnati had a good idea, but it needs to be elaborated and expanded on to reach the " crunchy " - save the earth - Al Gore mindset people that NFP IS green and we are called to be stewards of the earth - our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit! Okay...that's all that this tired Mommy's brain can spit out right now. Sorry if it's more of a rant than actual contribution - I'm trying! Warmly O'Connor, RNA Gift: NFP/FA ServicesMarquette MethodCCL Certified Very good... To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:08 AMSubject: FW: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 PMSubject: I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 There are many ways of doing it, . Lying guilt trips in people isn’t one of them. And the saccharine – praying for Cecile s and hoping to meet in heaven.. that will send many people up a wall, but not into church. It takes a lot of prudence to manage zeal. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of rbamer2@...Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:03 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Part of our outreach is directed at fallen asleep Catholics, is it not? Do we have a role in the New Evangelization or not? If we can't mention God or Jesus and just preach studies and facts, we have become as bad as the secularist, " enlightened " society which is trying to silence our voice...rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:47:59 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta I agree with , this is far too preachy. The comments are instructive. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C.Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:34 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta It's a great video for preaching to the choir, but I don't think this will reach the audience it so desperately needs to reach. When I was a contraceptor, back when I had turned away from the Church, I would have turned a blind eye to this message - I would have seen her as *another religious nutcase*. Her experience wouldn't have made a dent to me, unfortunately. We need to be more compelling. Less religious/pious. Use more hard data and statistics that show how women are being used as sexual objects, find more abortion victims who can attest to " I had no choice " - find hard facts that show how dirty abortion clinics are, how you don't see a doctor, I really liked the movie Blood Money. I think it gives us a lot of ammunition on how to fight the battle. We need to find ways to " educate the pagans " and walk with them, as well as catechizing our own neighbors in the pew - reach them where they are. We can't be making them feel guilty, we need to walk the walk, talk the talk, show how we like to have fun, show that the Catholic Church is not " down with sex " but sees it as a good and Holy thing. We need to LOVE them! We also need to repeat the message that the HHS attack is an attack on our 1st Amendment rights. We have a huge mission on our hands, and we have to find ways to get out into the muck and mire of our culture to reach them where they are. We need to recruit young, vibrant, articulate people who are ardent in their faith! I also think that the diocese of Cincinnati had a good idea, but it needs to be elaborated and expanded on to reach the " crunchy " - save the earth - Al Gore mindset people that NFP IS green and we are called to be stewards of the earth - our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit! Okay...that's all that this tired Mommy's brain can spit out right now. Sorry if it's more of a rant than actual contribution - I'm trying! Warmly O'Connor, RNA Gift: NFP/FA ServicesMarquette MethodCCL Certified Very good... To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:08 AMSubject: FW: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 PMSubject: I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Then I will pray extra hard for myself for prudence...Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TSender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:34:12 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta There are many ways of doing it, . Lying guilt trips in people isn’t one of them. And the saccharine – praying for Cecile s and hoping to meet in heaven.. that will send many people up a wall, but not into church. It takes a lot of prudence to manage zeal. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of rbamer2@...Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:03 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Part of our outreach is directed at fallen asleep Catholics, is it not? Do we have a role in the New Evangelization or not? If we can't mention God or Jesus and just preach studies and facts, we have become as bad as the secularist, " enlightened " society which is trying to silence our voice...rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:47:59 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta I agree with , this is far too preachy. The comments are instructive. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C.Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:34 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta It's a great video for preaching to the choir, but I don't think this will reach the audience it so desperately needs to reach. When I was a contraceptor, back when I had turned away from the Church, I would have turned a blind eye to this message - I would have seen her as *another religious nutcase*. Her experience wouldn't have made a dent to me, unfortunately. We need to be more compelling. Less religious/pious. Use more hard data and statistics that show how women are being used as sexual objects, find more abortion victims who can attest to " I had no choice " - find hard facts that show how dirty abortion clinics are, how you don't see a doctor, I really liked the movie Blood Money. I think it gives us a lot of ammunition on how to fight the battle. We need to find ways to " educate the pagans " and walk with them, as well as catechizing our own neighbors in the pew - reach them where they are. We can't be making them feel guilty, we need to walk the walk, talk the talk, show how we like to have fun, show that the Catholic Church is not " down with sex " but sees it as a good and Holy thing. We need to LOVE them! We also need to repeat the message that the HHS attack is an attack on our 1st Amendment rights. We have a huge mission on our hands, and we have to find ways to get out into the muck and mire of our culture to reach them where they are. We need to recruit young, vibrant, articulate people who are ardent in their faith! I also think that the diocese of Cincinnati had a good idea, but it needs to be elaborated and expanded on to reach the " crunchy " - save the earth - Al Gore mindset people that NFP IS green and we are called to be stewards of the earth - our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit! Okay...that's all that this tired Mommy's brain can spit out right now. Sorry if it's more of a rant than actual contribution - I'm trying! Warmly O'Connor, RNA Gift: NFP/FA ServicesMarquette MethodCCL Certified Very good... To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:08 AMSubject: FW: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 PMSubject: I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Excuse the typo. I meant laying guilt trips, not lying guilt trips. But I still raise the caveat against rash zeal. I’m sure the holy doctors who drew you were holy, and allowed the Holy Spirit to direct their zeal. I’m going to stop reading these posts now, have to get ready for my trip. Dominus tecum. S Hanna From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of rbamer2@...Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:40 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Then I will pray extra hard for myself for prudence...Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:34:12 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta There are many ways of doing it, . Lying guilt trips in people isn’t one of them. And the saccharine – praying for Cecile s and hoping to meet in heaven.. that will send many people up a wall, but not into church. It takes a lot of prudence to manage zeal. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of rbamer2@...Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:03 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Part of our outreach is directed at fallen asleep Catholics, is it not? Do we have a role in the New Evangelization or not? If we can't mention God or Jesus and just preach studies and facts, we have become as bad as the secularist, " enlightened " society which is trying to silence our voice...rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:47:59 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta I agree with , this is far too preachy. The comments are instructive. Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C.Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:34 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta It's a great video for preaching to the choir, but I don't think this will reach the audience it so desperately needs to reach. When I was a contraceptor, back when I had turned away from the Church, I would have turned a blind eye to this message - I would have seen her as *another religious nutcase*. Her experience wouldn't have made a dent to me, unfortunately. We need to be more compelling. Less religious/pious. Use more hard data and statistics that show how women are being used as sexual objects, find more abortion victims who can attest to " I had no choice " - find hard facts that show how dirty abortion clinics are, how you don't see a doctor, I really liked the movie Blood Money. I think it gives us a lot of ammunition on how to fight the battle. We need to find ways to " educate the pagans " and walk with them, as well as catechizing our own neighbors in the pew - reach them where they are. We can't be making them feel guilty, we need to walk the walk, talk the talk, show how we like to have fun, show that the Catholic Church is not " down with sex " but sees it as a good and Holy thing. We need to LOVE them! We also need to repeat the message that the HHS attack is an attack on our 1st Amendment rights. We have a huge mission on our hands, and we have to find ways to get out into the muck and mire of our culture to reach them where they are. We need to recruit young, vibrant, articulate people who are ardent in their faith! I also think that the diocese of Cincinnati had a good idea, but it needs to be elaborated and expanded on to reach the " crunchy " - save the earth - Al Gore mindset people that NFP IS green and we are called to be stewards of the earth - our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit! Okay...that's all that this tired Mommy's brain can spit out right now. Sorry if it's more of a rant than actual contribution - I'm trying! Warmly O'Connor, RNA Gift: NFP/FA ServicesMarquette MethodCCL Certified Very good... To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:08 AMSubject: FW: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 PMSubject: I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Right. And it is a new time, which calls for new energy. That is certainly what you bring. Keep it up!! Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...) Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX) pedullad@... I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other. I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted. By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot. I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 What a wonderful point ! It is in fact the model -- the divine model -- for all pedagogy, in that it also was the way God Himself brought the Israelites along slowly and sometimes all too painfully (in purely human terms). And it cuts 2 ways: it is a natural sign that points to God's own supernatural way of teaching, so that it shows how we come to the truth and also how we convert. But it also, being a supernatural method of pedagogy, points to the utter importance of natural breast-feeding, since it would suggest that the nutritional purpose of breastfeeding infants is the lesser important part of maternal nurturing, the more important part being that motherly feeding is a preparation in the knowledge and acquisition of virtues in the child -- so utterly important it ought never be delegated or substituted without correspondingly crucial reasons. Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...) Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX) pedullad@... I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012  In corresponding with a Jewish mother, she wrote: "PS Still nursing my 19 month old full time (a few times an hour as needed) and we are both in love :-)" How many mothers can say that? Sheila K. KippleyNFP Internationalwww.NFPandmore.orgThe Seven Standards of Ecological BreastfeedingBreastfeeding and Catholic Motherhood I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Isnt it interesting that when you use the body in accordance with natural law (breastfeeding), not only do you get those wonderful bonding effects, but also you get lowered breast cancer rates for the mother (see Million Women Study, V. Beral), not to mention that breast milk is the agreed upon best type of nutrition for the baby (AAP)? Both the physicial and spiritual effects improve the woman and baby. Blessings, rebecca To: nfpprofessionals Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta  In corresponding with a Jewish mother, she wrote: "PS Still nursing my 19 month old full time (a few times an hour as needed) and we are both in love :-)" How many mothers can say that? Sheila K. KippleyNFP Internationalwww.NFPandmore.orgThe Seven Standards of Ecological BreastfeedingBreastfeeding and Catholic Motherhood I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 , I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction: This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: " take what you like, leave the rest. " With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy. I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures. I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths.I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet. Respectfully, O'Connor, RNTired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: " I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. " I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other. I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted. By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot. I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I think that is an awesome testimony and I too teach to a lot of nonCatholics through my medical practice and do agree with your approach. They know what (and Who) you stand for and that hopefully speaks volumes Thank you! (marquette NFP)Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TSender: nfpprofessionals Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:43:04 -0400To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta , I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction:This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: " take what you like, leave the rest. " With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy. I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures. I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths.I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet. :)Respectfully, O'Connor, RNTired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: " I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. " I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other. I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted. By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot. I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012  I don't like watching videos, but Sheila "made" me watch "I have a say," and I would say that it is a good witness. Biological facts can inform and are helpful and frequently necessary, but realization of God's power and plan is what helps people to undergo conversion. Kippley I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 (Dr.Bame): The current use of sterilization among Catholic women is more like 14% and if you add the sterilization of the male " partner " then you can add another 4% -- so more like 18%. See data below. However, if you look at Catholic women who are older than 35 and have 1-2 Children -- then the rate of sterilization goes up to a very high rate --- I will have to look at the latest figures for that. And sad to say that Catholic women who attend Church services at least once a week or more are 35% more likely to be sterilized than less frequent church goers. Sterilization is also higher among Hispanic Catholics. Notice .2% current use of NFP. Yes - sterilization is a big problem -- and one that is also a problem in our Catholic Health Care systems. J. Fehring Professor - Marquette University Table 1: Frequency (and percentage) of Current and Ever Use of common Family Planning Methods among the sexually active reproductive age Catholic Women (N= 2657) in the 2006-2010 NSFG Data Set. ______________________________________________________________________________ Current Use Ever Use Method Frequency/(Percentage) Frequency/(Percentage) Pill (OC) 504 19.0% 1944 73.2% Sterilization (Female) 376 14.2% 444 16.7% Condom (Male) 381 14.3% 2327 87.6% Sterilization (Male) 112 4.2% 222 11.0% IUD 118 4.4% 236 4.2%* Withdrawal 125 4.7% 1473 55.4% Depo-Provera 83 3.1% 636 23.9% Vaginal ring 33 1.2% 136 5.1% Contraceptive patch 20 0.8% 301 11.3% Rhythm 30 1.1% 494 18.6% NFP 11 0.2% 130 4.9% Emergency Contraception 2 ..1% 304 11.4% ________________________________________________________________________________ * This figure is based on projections from the 2006-2008 NSFG data set. From: nfpprofessionals [nfpprofessionals ] on behalf of rbamer2@... [rbamer2@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:16 AM To: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta thank you. I really like and appreciate your approach and comments. I teach marquette too and teach a lot of noncatholics thru my practice also agreeing that they do need to know this even if they are not married or using barriers On a different subject entirely, sterilization is a part of this mandate and yet is pretty much ignored as a matter of debate. Married Catholic women choose sterilization as the most frequent mode of birth control (around 40 percent according to NSFG). Besides the obvious problem of severing perfectly good body structures are there any other medical or physical harms? Are the theories such as increased prostate cancer or increased antisperm autoantibodies causing autoimmune disease in men or a " posttubal syndrome " in women valid? Anyone know any studies worth reading? Thx rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:43:04 -0400 To: <nfpprofessionals > ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta , I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction: This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: " take what you like, leave the rest. " With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy. I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures. I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths. I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet. Respectfully, O'Connor, RN Tired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Powers wrote: The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: " I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. " I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other. I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted. By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot. I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yes wonderful. The other great thing about the Beral study you quote is that, even though the study primarily looked at breastfeeding and cancer, she without blinking -- she an expert on OCPs also -- says that "Western style childbearing" is the cause of the current Western breast cancer epidemic, and goes on to say -- unbelievably -- that we shouldn't turn back the clock and change this; EVEN THOUGH SHE SAYS WE KNOW IT IS THER CAUSE!!! Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...) Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX) pedullad@... Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta In corresponding with a Jewish mother, she wrote: "PS Still nursing my 19 month old full time (a few times an hour as needed) and we are both in love :-)" How many mothers can say that? Sheila K. Kippley NFP International www.NFPandmore.org The Seven Standards of Ecological Breastfeeding Breastfeeding and Catholic Motherhood I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 This is very sad, and all the more reason why it is good to read what Fr. Tom wrote, and to reach the head of the bishop's conference as is trying to do, speaking as a body of professionals. I suspect the high rate of sterilization of Hispanic Catholics is because they are given very little choice where they have their deliveries. Fr. (Dr.Bame): The current use of sterilization among Catholic women is more like 14% and if you add the sterilization of the male " partner " then you can add another 4% -- so more like 18%. See data below. However, if you look at Catholic women who are older than 35 and have 1-2 Children -- then the rate of sterilization goes up to a very high rate --- I will have to look at the latest figures for that. And sad to say that Catholic women who attend Church services at least once a week or more are 35% more likely to be sterilized than less frequent church goers. Sterilization is also higher among Hispanic Catholics. Notice .2% current use of NFP. Yes - sterilization is a big problem -- and one that is also a problem in our Catholic Health Care systems. J. Fehring Professor - Marquette University Table 1: Frequency (and percentage) of Current and Ever Use of common Family Planning Methods among the sexually active reproductive age Catholic Women (N= 2657) in the 2006-2010 NSFG Data Set. ______________________________________________________________________________ Current Use Ever Use Method Frequency/(Percentage) Frequency/(Percentage) Pill (OC) 504 19.0% 1944 73.2% Sterilization (Female) 376 14.2% 444 16.7% Condom (Male) 381 14.3% 2327 87.6% Sterilization (Male) 112 4.2% 222 11.0% IUD 118 4.4% 236 4.2%* Withdrawal 125 4.7% 1473 55.4% Depo-Provera 83 3.1% 636 23.9% Vaginal ring 33 1.2% 136 5.1% Contraceptive patch 20 0.8% 301 11.3% Rhythm 30 1.1% 494 18.6% NFP 11 0.2% 130 4.9% Emergency Contraception 2 ..1% 304 11.4% ________________________________________________________________________________ * This figure is based on projections from the 2006-2008 NSFG data set. From: nfpprofessionals [nfpprofessionals ] on behalf of rbamer2@... [rbamer2@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:16 AM To: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta thank you. I really like and appreciate your approach and comments. I teach marquette too and teach a lot of noncatholics thru my practice also agreeing that they do need to know this even if they are not married or using barriers On a different subject entirely, sterilization is a part of this mandate and yet is pretty much ignored as a matter of debate. Married Catholic women choose sterilization as the most frequent mode of birth control (around 40 percent according to NSFG). Besides the obvious problem of severing perfectly good body structures are there any other medical or physical harms? Are the theories such as increased prostate cancer or increased antisperm autoantibodies causing autoimmune disease in men or a " posttubal syndrome " in women valid? Anyone know any studies worth reading? Thx rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:43:04 -0400 To: <nfpprofessionals > ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta , I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction: This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: " take what you like, leave the rest. " With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy. I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures. I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths. I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet. Respectfully, O'Connor, RN Tired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Powers wrote: The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: " I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. " I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other. I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted. By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot. I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com -- Fr. R. 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Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Thank you Dr. Fehring, by the way i go by Dr. Peck now, not Dr. Bame, even though my email is rbamer2. At any rate, i look forward to knowing the MARRIED Catholic women sterilization rate. Thanks so much, rebecca To: "nfpprofessionals " <nfpprofessionals > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AMSubject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta (Dr.Bame): The current use of sterilization among Catholic women is more like 14% and if you add the sterilization of the male "partner" then you can add another 4% -- so more like 18%. See data below. However, if you look at Catholic women who are older than 35 and have 1-2 Children -- then the rate of sterilization goes up to a very high rate --- I will have to look at the latest figures for that. And sad to say that Catholic women who attend Church services at least once a week or more are 35% more likely to be sterilized than less frequent church goers. Sterilization is also higher among Hispanic Catholics. Notice .2% current use of NFP. Yes - sterilization is a big problem -- and one that is also a problem in our Catholic Health Care systems. J. Fehring Professor - Marquette University Table 1: Frequency (and percentage) of Current and Ever Use of common Family Planning Methods among the sexually active reproductive age Catholic Women (N= 2657) in the 2006-2010 NSFG Data Set. ______________________________________________________________________________ Current Use Ever Use Method Frequency/(Percentage) Frequency/(Percentage) Pill (OC) 504 19.0% 1944 73.2% Sterilization (Female) 376 14.2% 444 16.7% Condom (Male) 381 14.3% 2327 87.6% Sterilization (Male) 112 4.2% 222 11.0% IUD 118 4.4% 236 4.2%* Withdrawal 125 4.7% 1473 55.4% Depo-Provera 83 3.1% 636 23.9% Vaginal ring 33 1.2% 136 5.1% Contraceptive patch 20 0.8% 301 11.3% Rhythm 30 1.1% 494 18.6% NFP 11 0.2% 130 4.9% Emergency Contraception 2 .1% 304 11.4% ________________________________________________________________________________ * This figure is based on projections from the 2006-2008 NSFG data set. From: nfpprofessionals [nfpprofessionals ] on behalf of rbamer2@... [rbamer2@...]Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:16 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta thank you. I really like and appreciate your approach and comments. I teach marquette too and teach a lot of noncatholics thru my practice also agreeing that they do need to know this even if they are not married or using barriersOn a different subject entirely, sterilization is a part of this mandate and yet is pretty much ignored as a matter of debate. Married Catholic women choose sterilization as the most frequent mode of birth control (around 40 percent according to NSFG). Besides the obvious problem of severing perfectly good body structures are there any other medical or physical harms? Are the theories such as increased prostate cancer or increased antisperm autoantibodies causing autoimmune disease in men or a "posttubal syndrome" in women valid? Anyone know any studies worth reading? Thx rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:43:04 -0400 To: <nfpprofessionals > ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta , I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction: This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: "take what you like, leave the rest." With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy. I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures. I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths. I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet. Respectfully, O'Connor, RN Tired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other. I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted. By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot. I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 , I would suspect that the rate of sterilization is even higher among married Catholic women than it is in the general Catholic population. Even women who start out using NFP find themselves flummoxed by the events of the perimenopausal years and resort to sterilization. You have to be very determined to stick this out through what could turn out to be a decade of changes when neither mucus changes nor temperatures look like they did when you were 30 and cycle lengths can become wildly variable. There's been a lot of NFP-oriented research on breastfeeding and fertility, but it seemed to me both as a teacher and an NFP user that the information on what you might expect during the approach to menopause was very sparse. A lot of women want to know the statistics on when they can consider themselves to be infertile (what's the pregnancy rate at 48? for instance) even if they are still having apparently ovulatory cycles. A lot of them prefer to just become sterile rather than live with the suspense of declining fertility. Don't get me started! Lee Ann DoerflingerSTM teacherTo: nfpprofessionals From: rbamer2@...Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:05:41 -0700Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Thank you Dr. Fehring, by the way i go by Dr. Peck now, not Dr. Bame, even though my email is rbamer2. At any rate, i look forward to knowing the MARRIED Catholic women sterilization rate. Thanks so much, rebecca To: "nfpprofessionals " <nfpprofessionals > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AMSubject: RE: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta (Dr.Bame): The current use of sterilization among Catholic women is more like 14% and if you add the sterilization of the male "partner" then you can add another 4% -- so more like 18%. See data below. However, if you look at Catholic women who are older than 35 and have 1-2 Children -- then the rate of sterilization goes up to a very high rate --- I will have to look at the latest figures for that. And sad to say that Catholic women who attend Church services at least once a week or more are 35% more likely to be sterilized than less frequent church goers. Sterilization is also higher among Hispanic Catholics. Notice .2% current use of NFP. Yes - sterilization is a big problem -- and one that is also a problem in our Catholic Health Care systems. J. Fehring Professor - Marquette University Table 1: Frequency (and percentage) of Current and Ever Use of common Family Planning Methods among the sexually active reproductive age Catholic Women (N= 2657) in the 2006-2010 NSFG Data Set. ______________________________________________________________________________ Current Use Ever Use Method Frequency/(Percentage) Frequency/(Percentage) Pill (OC) 504 19.0% 1944 73.2% Sterilization (Female) 376 14.2% 444 16.7% Condom (Male) 381 14.3% 2327 87.6% Sterilization (Male) 112 4.2% 222 11.0% IUD 118 4.4% 236 4.2%* Withdrawal 125 4.7% 1473 55.4% Depo-Provera 83 3.1% 636 23.9% Vaginal ring 33 1.2% 136 5.1% Contraceptive patch 20 0.8% 301 11.3% Rhythm 30 1.1% 494 18.6% NFP 11 0.2% 130 4.9% Emergency Contraception 2 .1% 304 11.4% ________________________________________________________________________________ * This figure is based on projections from the 2006-2008 NSFG data set. From: nfpprofessionals [nfpprofessionals ] on behalf of rbamer2@... [rbamer2@...]Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:16 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta thank you. I really like and appreciate your approach and comments. I teach marquette too and teach a lot of noncatholics thru my practice also agreeing that they do need to know this even if they are not married or using barriersOn a different subject entirely, sterilization is a part of this mandate and yet is pretty much ignored as a matter of debate. Married Catholic women choose sterilization as the most frequent mode of birth control (around 40 percent according to NSFG). Besides the obvious problem of severing perfectly good body structures are there any other medical or physical harms? Are the theories such as increased prostate cancer or increased antisperm autoantibodies causing autoimmune disease in men or a "posttubal syndrome" in women valid? Anyone know any studies worth reading? Thx rebecca Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Sender: nfpprofessionals Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:43:04 -0400 To: <nfpprofessionals > ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta , I love your Bible quotes! I think it is very apropos to the message I was trying to convey. I wasn't saying that we should run away from our faith. But live it out through example. There are many who feel that their faith was *shoved down their throats* as children, and they have rebelled, and they are not yet ready - like a baby getting breastmilk first. By they way, I too was a full time RN and have turned SAHM to two beautiful boys (2yrs 10 1/2 months old; and a 10 1/2 month old - the former I'm still breastfeeding), but I also teach CCL and Marquette Methods of NFP on Sundays after Mass. I have introduced NFP and FA to my *crunchy* Attachment Parenting group. One of the moms has asked me to be her RCIA sponsor! I think there's a place for everything. When I teach my group classes, I teach it for the Pre-Cana couples, but allow anyone to join - and I preface my class with an introduction: This class is to conform to the recommendations of the Richmond Diocese, and it is Catholic. Not everyone here maybe Catholic, and we welcome you, I do not ask you to accept every view of the Catholic Church, but to respectfully listen when those topics are brought up. As I have heard in La Leche League meetings: "take what you like, leave the rest." With people who practice FA, some may use barriers during their fertile time, the Catholic Church does not see that as a fulfillment of the marital embrace, and asks that when you practice NFP you refrain from all genital contact during the fertile window when trying to avoid a pregnancy. I do teach FA to those who are not Catholic, who are not engaged or married, because I feel that it is so important for woman's health and the stewardship of our earth that women know about their body. I teach them that I do not agree with premarital sex, and the use of condoms, diaphragms or other barriers, but I am not in your bedroom. I am teaching you what works, and the use of barriers during the fertile time will not have the same statistical effectiveness rates because of human and manufacturing failures. I do love when non-Catholics take my NFP classes, because it is a great way to evangelize them to the truths of the Catholic Church and to disspell the myths. I guess what I was trying to say initially, is that we need to be aware of the audience we're trying to reach and not to have them turn us off. That is not asking us to become as bad as them, but know where they are in their faith journey - sometimes they need the breast milk and not the solid food yet. Respectfully, O'Connor, RN Tired mom of 2 bouncy, boisterous boys The thread on zeal versus prudence is so interesting, and is something I have thought about over many years. Probably for every person the right balance is different; we all have different gifts, and we're all at different stages in the development of our faith. There is a quote in the Bible that I love, and is so apropos: "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." I Corinthians 3:2. A wise and humble man -- I swear he must be a saint -- introduced me to the wisdom in those words. It is good to think of ourselves as evangelizers. We are all called to that. And we can all learn from each other. I must confess, I have not had the time to view the youtube clip, so whether or not my thoughts fit in with that, I don't know. But the ensuing conversation got me to thinking. If the quote is thought-provoking to you too, I am delighted. By way of introduction (though after this I will probably go underground again), I am a nurse practitioner turned stay-at-home mom. I am currently at home with two small children. I taught NFP for the Archdiocese of Boston for a number of years. Thanks for all the great threads. Much of the time (especially lately) I cannot keep up with all of you, but when I do I definitely learn a lot. I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 In our April 2007 paper (Tubal Ligation among American Women; J Reprod Med 2007;52:263-272) ) using the early 1990s NHSLS dataset (a bit dated but probably still not too far off) 20% of Catholic/Orthodox women aged 18-59 had had tubals, and it was 35% for protestants, 26% for those "with no religious preference". That is pretty high considering the age group sampled is 18-59. For example, in our sample the tubal rate among all women (Catholics and non) aged 25-29 was 19.1% while for those 40-49 it was just about half of the group (47.9%). So one can guess it easily approaches 40-50% of Catholic women 40-49. And Lee Ann is 100% right. Experience does tend to support the idea in our culture that the approach of menopause is fraught with the temptation to just do away with fertility altogether, or resort to that great "surrogate sterilization" -- the not-strictly-therapeutic hysterectomy. Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...) Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX) pedullad@... I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta To: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 In my NFP practice, I have not seen the motive for sterilization to be managing menopause, I have seen it be for NFP users what I think it is for most people----a way to not have to deal with family planning, of any sort, once one does not intend to have any more children. I cannot recall a single client who was sterilized approaching menopause, out of anxiety of managing those years. Only if they happen to be having a child at 38 or 40, but then because they were " done " . And cannot say I have seen my clients struggle much with perimenopause. In fact, it has been my theory that, in general, women comfortable and familiar with the normal variations of their body, hormonally, navigate menopause with much less trepidation, and just sort of take it in stride. Sheila St. Executive DirectorCalifornia Association of Natural Family Planningwww.canfp.org1-877-33-CANFP From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of DominicSent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:04 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Re: I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta In our April 2007 paper (Tubal Ligation among American Women; J Reprod Med 2007;52:263-272) ) using the early 1990s NHSLS dataset (a bit dated but probably still not too far off) 20% of Catholic/Orthodox women aged 18-59 had had tubals, and it was 35% for protestants, 26% for those " with no religious preference " . That is pretty high considering the age group sampled is 18-59. For example, in our sample the tubal rate among all women (Catholics and non) aged 25-29 was 19.1% while for those 40-49 it was just about half of the group (47.9%). So one can guess it easily approaches 40-50% of Catholic women 40-49. And Lee Ann is 100% right. Experience does tend to support the idea in our culture that the approach of menopause is fraught with the temptation to just do away with fertility altogether, or resort to that great " surrogate sterilization " -- the not-strictly-therapeutic hysterectomy.Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPhInterventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning ResearcherMedical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX)pedullad@... I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, " make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube. " God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012  And let's not forget the men. We know of a class of deacons ordained about 4 years ago. Eleven of the 12 were sterilized. When our pastor found out, he was furious. Sterilization, he said, was an impediment to the priesthood and should also be so for the deaconate. He had been vocations director for 13 years. Sheila I Have a Say: Kalley YantaTo: Catholic Parents OnLine I Have a Say: Kalley Yanta Kalley Yanta shares the truth from her own first-hand experience. She accepted the invitation by the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood to, "make your own YouTube videos sharing what birth control has meant to you as women via YouTube." God bless Kalley... this story needs to be told far and wide... all women need to know the truth! -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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