Re: Re:BCBA vs. seasoned autism specialist

[Guest guest]

Hi Reg and all,

My book does talk a lot about getting the support of a BCBA or BCABA to help you

with your program whenever possible. However, I agree that in this field, the

person is much more important than the title. Using my book as a second opinion

to compare what your consultant is telling you is a great way to go. Finding a

BCBA is going to help you assure at least a minimal standard of experiences.

But truth be told, the proof is always in the pudding. Are you getting results

and is the person telling you things that you believe in a way that you can

understand? Finally, is your child running to them when they come through the

door. If not, they are likely not as gifted as they might be credentialed.

FYI, for those of you not aware or new to the list, my book is called " Educate

Toward Recovery: Turning the Tables on Autism. " and info and reviews on the book

can be found at www.lulu.com/knospe-aba

________________________

Schramm, MA, BCBA

www.lulu.com/knospe-aba

www.knospe-aba.com

________________________

[ ] Re:BCBA vs. " seasoned autism specialist "

Reg Reynolds

I don't. However, the issue is " Which of your available providers

is going to do the best job? " BCBA doesn't guarantee any

knowledge of autism or how to adapt/apply ABA knowledge to your

particular problem. Neither does being a person knowledgeable in

autism with some DTT background. Why not read Schramm's

new book, Educate Toward Recovery, and then check out their

knowledge against that?

P.S. For Casey, I have attached a brief paper on supervising ABA

programs for children with autism. I have tried to make it general

rather than specific to any particular region, but I may have missed a

few specific items which might better have been deleted.

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Thu Mar 8, 2007 4:08 pm (PST)

Does anyone know of research that a VB program should only be ran by a

BCBA versus a person knowledgable in autism with some DTT background?

TIA

[Guest guest]

Hi Reg and all,

My book does talk a lot about getting the support of a BCBA or BCABA to help you

with your program whenever possible. However, I agree that in this field, the

person is much more important than the title. Using my book as a second opinion

to compare what your consultant is telling you is a great way to go. Finding a

BCBA is going to help you assure at least a minimal standard of experiences.

But truth be told, the proof is always in the pudding. Are you getting results

and is the person telling you things that you believe in a way that you can

understand? Finally, is your child running to them when they come through the

door. If not, they are likely not as gifted as they might be credentialed.

FYI, for those of you not aware or new to the list, my book is called " Educate

Toward Recovery: Turning the Tables on Autism. " and info and reviews on the book

can be found at www.lulu.com/knospe-aba

________________________

Schramm, MA, BCBA

www.lulu.com/knospe-aba

www.knospe-aba.com

________________________

[ ] Re:BCBA vs. " seasoned autism specialist "

Reg Reynolds

I don't. However, the issue is " Which of your available providers

is going to do the best job? " BCBA doesn't guarantee any

knowledge of autism or how to adapt/apply ABA knowledge to your

particular problem. Neither does being a person knowledgeable in

autism with some DTT background. Why not read Schramm's

new book, Educate Toward Recovery, and then check out their

knowledge against that?

P.S. For Casey, I have attached a brief paper on supervising ABA

programs for children with autism. I have tried to make it general

rather than specific to any particular region, but I may have missed a

few specific items which might better have been deleted.

Posted by: " casey21542 " casey21542 (DOT) com

<mailto:casey21542 (DOT) com?Subject=%20Re% 3ABCBA%20vs% 2E%20%22seasoned

%20autism% 20specialist% 22>

casey21542 <http://profiles. / casey21542>

Thu Mar 8, 2007 4:08 pm (PST)

Does anyone know of research that a VB program should only be ran by a

BCBA versus a person knowledgable in autism with some DTT background?

TIA

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I agree with (and will soon read his book!).

I have 14 years of experience in the field of developmental disabilities and

behavior modification. I have my BA in Psychology and my Master's in

Counseling. Throughout this education we do have some classes on behavioral

theories and motivation. I have attended many workshops and trainings in ABA

and VBT and even met Ivar Lovaas at Princeton and Dr. Carbone in NY.

Although I do not have a BCBA, I am the lead therapist designing and

implementing VBT programs in homes of families with children with autism

spectrum disorders. I feel that because I have a comprehensive knowledge of the

fundamental principles of behaviorism and Skinner's Analysis of Verbal Behavior

I do have the practical skills to provide this type of therapy. However,

because I am also a trained counselor and am able to connect with people I also

have the ability to create meaningful relationships and fun in the NET which

makes children want to be around you and want to learn. It also helps to be

sensitive to the needs of the entire family and the stress, grief, and feelings

of anxiety that are germane to all of these families.

I had a great teacher who guided me through the learning period and she helped

me to elicit my most valuable skills from within while working with any type of

child, let alone a child with special needs. When I walk into the homes of the

families for whom I provide therapy, the children see me walk in, grab my hand,

and pull me to the therapy area. They love to play and love to learn and that

is the key. Certainly, one needs to know about statistics, data, and behavior

mod, but as you said, without that personal connection, the behavioral knowledge

can be somewhat useless if the child doesn't enjoy being around you.

Thank you for saying this!

Lansky

Re: [ ] Re:BCBA vs. " seasoned autism specialist "

Hi Reg and all,

My book does talk a lot about getting the support of a BCBA or BCABA to help you

with your program whenever possible. However, I agree that in this field, the

person is much more important than the title. Using my book as a second opinion

to compare what your consultant is telling you is a great way to go. Finding a

BCBA is going to help you assure at least a minimal standard of experiences. But

truth be told, the proof is always in the pudding. Are you getting results and

is the person telling you things that you believe in a way that you can

understand? Finally, is your child running to them when they come through the

door. If not, they are likely not as gifted as they might be credentialed.

FYI, for those of you not aware or new to the list, my book is called " Educate

Toward Recovery: Turning the Tables on Autism. " and info and reviews on the book

can be found at www.lulu.com/knospe-aba

________________________

Schramm, MA, BCBA

www.lulu.com/knospe-aba

www.knospe-aba.com

________________________

[ ] Re:BCBA vs. " seasoned autism specialist "

Reg Reynolds

I don't. However, the issue is " Which of your available providers

is going to do the best job? " BCBA doesn't guarantee any

knowledge of autism or how to adapt/apply ABA knowledge to your

particular problem. Neither does being a person knowledgeable in

autism with some DTT background. Why not read Schramm's

new book, Educate Toward Recovery, and then check out their

knowledge against that?

P.S. For Casey, I have attached a brief paper on supervising ABA

programs for children with autism. I have tried to make it general

rather than specific to any particular region, but I may have missed a

few specific items which might better have been deleted.

Posted by: " casey21542 " casey21542 (DOT) com

<mailto:casey21542 (DOT) com?Subject=%20Re% 3ABCBA%20vs% 2E%20%22seasoned

%20autism% 20specialist% 22>

casey21542 <http://profiles. / casey21542>

Thu Mar 8, 2007 4:08 pm (PST)

Does anyone know of research that a VB program should only be ran by a

BCBA versus a person knowledgable in autism with some DTT background?

TIA

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I agree with (and will soon read his book!).

I have 14 years of experience in the field of developmental disabilities and

behavior modification. I have my BA in Psychology and my Master's in

Counseling. Throughout this education we do have some classes on behavioral

theories and motivation. I have attended many workshops and trainings in ABA

and VBT and even met Ivar Lovaas at Princeton and Dr. Carbone in NY.

Although I do not have a BCBA, I am the lead therapist designing and

implementing VBT programs in homes of families with children with autism

spectrum disorders. I feel that because I have a comprehensive knowledge of the

fundamental principles of behaviorism and Skinner's Analysis of Verbal Behavior

I do have the practical skills to provide this type of therapy. However,

because I am also a trained counselor and am able to connect with people I also

have the ability to create meaningful relationships and fun in the NET which

makes children want to be around you and want to learn. It also helps to be

sensitive to the needs of the entire family and the stress, grief, and feelings

of anxiety that are germane to all of these families.

I had a great teacher who guided me through the learning period and she helped

me to elicit my most valuable skills from within while working with any type of

child, let alone a child with special needs. When I walk into the homes of the

families for whom I provide therapy, the children see me walk in, grab my hand,

and pull me to the therapy area. They love to play and love to learn and that

is the key. Certainly, one needs to know about statistics, data, and behavior

mod, but as you said, without that personal connection, the behavioral knowledge

can be somewhat useless if the child doesn't enjoy being around you.

Thank you for saying this!

Lansky

Re: [ ] Re:BCBA vs. " seasoned autism specialist "

Hi Reg and all,

My book does talk a lot about getting the support of a BCBA or BCABA to help you

with your program whenever possible. However, I agree that in this field, the

person is much more important than the title. Using my book as a second opinion

to compare what your consultant is telling you is a great way to go. Finding a

BCBA is going to help you assure at least a minimal standard of experiences. But

truth be told, the proof is always in the pudding. Are you getting results and

is the person telling you things that you believe in a way that you can

understand? Finally, is your child running to them when they come through the

door. If not, they are likely not as gifted as they might be credentialed.

FYI, for those of you not aware or new to the list, my book is called " Educate

Toward Recovery: Turning the Tables on Autism. " and info and reviews on the book

can be found at www.lulu.com/knospe-aba

________________________

Schramm, MA, BCBA

www.lulu.com/knospe-aba

www.knospe-aba.com

________________________

[ ] Re:BCBA vs. " seasoned autism specialist "

Reg Reynolds

I don't. However, the issue is " Which of your available providers

is going to do the best job? " BCBA doesn't guarantee any

knowledge of autism or how to adapt/apply ABA knowledge to your

particular problem. Neither does being a person knowledgeable in

autism with some DTT background. Why not read Schramm's

new book, Educate Toward Recovery, and then check out their

knowledge against that?

P.S. For Casey, I have attached a brief paper on supervising ABA

programs for children with autism. I have tried to make it general

rather than specific to any particular region, but I may have missed a

few specific items which might better have been deleted.

Posted by: " casey21542 " casey21542 (DOT) com

<mailto:casey21542 (DOT) com?Subject=%20Re% 3ABCBA%20vs% 2E%20%22seasoned

%20autism% 20specialist% 22>

casey21542 <http://profiles. / casey21542>

Thu Mar 8, 2007 4:08 pm (PST)

Does anyone know of research that a VB program should only be ran by a

BCBA versus a person knowledgable in autism with some DTT background?

TIA