Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hi. Glad you decided to post. You said you've talked to him about his OCD. Does he understand that the OCD can make him have thoughts that are not real? Can he grasp the idea of talking back to the OCD? Has he tried that? It's tough when they are so young. Our son did not get any of it, at all, at that age. He just wanted it to all stop. When you try distractions, do they help at all? Is his anxiety always attached to the thoughts? Sometimes the anxiety is just too high to fight, so the things (therapy) that can help, are just too hard to do. Do you feel that is the case for him? The problem we've found with anxiety is that sometimes if you cannot get it to stop, it starts to feed on itself, and you can have anxiety about having anxiety. Fear of death is a normal thing for all kids to go through, but when you add OCD to the mix, it takes it to a whole new level. Then you've got to wonder about generalized anxiety disorder, which was similar with our son, to his OCD, in that he had repetitive thoughts with both. The difference being the GAD was thoughts of things that had a possibility, but were exaggerated, whereas the OCD was irrational thoughts that were out of control. Both were VERY anxiety producing. When we got to that point, we had to turn to meds. Not something one wants to do, but sometimes it is needed. Although, some try natural products that they have success with. BJ > > I have always just listened and used the information I have received on > this site but now I am at the end of my rope. My son is 7 and has OCD > along with many other challenges and his main issue is Fear of Death. > He always talks and asks questions about death, it could even be the > same questions over and over. I have tried everything I could think of > and even some I heard you all talk about and now I don't know what else > to do. There is no counselor here were we live that can see him and I > am worried it will get worse. His life at > school,church,activities,socially.. is not affected but I think he > holds it in till he sees me or his dad and then he just starts crying > saying he's thinking about dead people again. If anyone has any ideas > that has helped your child please let me know I am desperate it's just > so flustrating!!! > I have tried ignoring, talking to him about his OCD, changing his mind, > answering his questions, but poor thing he even sleeps with his > flashlight. > Please help > Thank you > From concerned Mom! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 thank you so much for your response I don't think he understand the idea of OCD- I haven't tried having him talk back so I will try that. Distractions sometimes works depends on how bad he is and most of the time it just comes back around. Anxiety is always affected by this-If I don't answer his questions or help him get over the thought he just gets soo upset. I have never heard of GAD. I will have to look into that. I am guessing that we are going to have to turn to med also -it's just that I would like to try therapy before just turning to meds -please with his adhd and asthma and cerebral palsy and everything else he is dealing with I hate to take more meds and especially take meds that might upset other areas that we are doing okay with. I am just so iffy when it comes to meds for my child. Subject: Re: Never Posted before To: Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 3:46 PM Hi. Glad you decided to post. You said you've talked to him about his OCD. Does he understand that the OCD can make him have thoughts that are not real? Can he grasp the idea of talking back to the OCD? Has he tried that? It's tough when they are so young. Our son did not get any of it, at all, at that age. He just wanted it to all stop. When you try distractions, do they help at all? Is his anxiety always attached to the thoughts? Sometimes the anxiety is just too high to fight, so the things (therapy) that can help, are just too hard to do. Do you feel that is the case for him? The problem we've found with anxiety is that sometimes if you cannot get it to stop, it starts to feed on itself, and you can have anxiety about having anxiety. Fear of death is a normal thing for all kids to go through, but when you add OCD to the mix, it takes it to a whole new level. Then you've got to wonder about generalized anxiety disorder, which was similar with our son, to his OCD, in that he had repetitive thoughts with both. The difference being the GAD was thoughts of things that had a possibility, but were exaggerated, whereas the OCD was irrational thoughts that were out of control. Both were VERY anxiety producing. When we got to that point, we had to turn to meds. Not something one wants to do, but sometimes it is needed. Although, some try natural products that they have success with. BJ > > I have always just listened and used the information I have received on > this site but now I am at the end of my rope. My son is 7 and has OCD > along with many other challenges and his main issue is Fear of Death. > He always talks and asks questions about death, it could even be the > same questions over and over. I have tried everything I could think of > and even some I heard you all talk about and now I don't know what else > to do. There is no counselor here were we live that can see him and I > am worried it will get worse. His life at > school,church, activities, socially. . is not affected but I think he > holds it in till he sees me or his dad and then he just starts crying > saying he's thinking about dead people again. If anyone has any ideas > that has helped your child please let me know I am desperate it's just > so flustrating! !! > I have tried ignoring, talking to him about his OCD, changing his mind, > answering his questions, but poor thing he even sleeps with his > flashlight. > Please help > Thank you > From concerned Mom! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I don't want to repeat myself, since you've said you've read postings here. But what has helped my 6 yr old is naming the emotions in his head and talking to them as if they were other people. We have Warren the Worrier, Edgar the Angry, Calvin the Calm, the Positive Thinker etc. When Warren or Edgar " show up " we as parents address the unwanted behavior by speaking, in very calm, soft voices, to the " guilty party " . It helps my son feel like he's not being attacked or punished. (However, if the behavior merits a time out, my son has to go with " them " because he's ultimately responsible for the whole gang of characters.) We tell my son to put these guys back in their crates (we have a dog who gets crated when we're not home, so this makes sense to my son). The impact of using this strategy with him has been nothing short of amazing. It puts in on his level. He's now learned (after months and months of practice) to talk back and be in charge (usually). We've also practiced " realistic thinking " and he's started talking to his teddy bear in the same way, assuring " Beary " that there's no need to worry if the power goes out during a storm yadayada. You cannot win a rational argument about how illogical their fears are. You can only try to teach them that they are in charge of their fears and that you believe in them and know they can overcome this, with your help. I could go on and on about the anxiety part of my son's issues, but I don't want to bore everyone else. Feel free to email me if you want more details on how we now deal with our " cast of characters " Best of luck! > > thank you so much for your response > I don't think he understand the idea of OCD- I haven't tried having him talk back so I will try that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Oh, gosh, I can understand your reluctance for meds, considering all he is already dealing with, and already taking. I'm so sorry. It's so hard when you are dealing with multiple situations, like you are. A book that covers the process of talking back to the OCD very well, is one by March. It is coincidentally <grin> called, " Talking back to OCD " . It walks you through it. And it explains OCD well too. To sum it up, most often with young kids, they name their OCD something that they can find amusing, that they can relate to. . .For example, something like " Mr. Bossy " . . you know something that doesn't add to the anxiety, but empowers them to boss it back. Then when they start having the thoughts, the idea is to recognize it as a " bad " or " intrusive " thought that is Mr. Bossy, who is lying to them again, trying to make them feel uncomfortable or afraid. Then they can tell Mr. Bossy to shut up and go away. For many, that can help them gain some control over it, and give them confidence to continue to fight it. Some suggestions of things that worked for us. . . When our son was bad with his last relapse, we spent hours every day, working on whatever would help to distract him, while we waited for medication to start working. For him, it was nonstop thoughts. So, we played board and video games, watched movies, played cards, etc. Anything to keep him mind occupied. Not a long term solution, but something that can help, in the moment, when things are especially bad, anxiety wise. I'm supposing your son is getting upset when you do not answer his questions, because the OCD is demanding an answer. And if he does not get it, the OCD makes him feel anxious or uncomfortable. One thing we did was turn into a team against our son's OCD. So, it was us against " it " . That helped our son to not feel so alone in the battle. Something that some have had success with, with answering questions is, answer once, then not again. Tell your son ahead of time that you will answer once for him, but you don't like " Mr. Bossy " (or whatever he wants to name it) making you answer more than once, so you won't. One thing we said to our son when he insisted on having more than one answer, was, " I can't say " . He knew ahead of time that was going to be the answer, after answering once, so he accepted it. Amazingly, the need to know diminishes, once the OCD does not get fed. Although, there is always the potential for it to flare, if the are having a bad day. As far as him getting upset because he needs help getting past the thought. . .That almost sounds like it could be fear driven. Do you think so? That is where, with our son, I would step in and coach him through it, the best I could. Especially when they are trying to learn how to cope with it all. I found I became our son's coach and cheerleader. . Therapist and friend. . But, most of all loving parent, who understood the suffering he was going through, but constantly encouraged him to fight, telling him he could do it and reminding him it would get better. If it's a possibility that it is GAD, Dr. Wagner (here) and our son's therapist, both said, it is treated with what is called " realistic thinking " . We haven't actually done any of that, because our son's GAD calmed down with the meds. We have however done a lot of CBT/ERP, which is used to successfully treat OCD. Hope anything I shared was helpful. If you have any specific questions, please feel free to jump right in and ask. Many here can share things that have worked for them, that might help. ) BJ > > > > I have always just listened and used the information I have received on > > this site but now I am at the end of my rope. My son is 7 and has OCD > > along with many other challenges and his main issue is Fear of Death. > > He always talks and asks questions about death, it could even be the > > same questions over and over. I have tried everything I could think of > > and even some I heard you all talk about and now I don't know what else > > to do. There is no counselor here were we live that can see him and I > > am worried it will get worse. His life at > > school,church, activities, socially. . is not affected but I think he > > holds it in till he sees me or his dad and then he just starts crying > > saying he's thinking about dead people again. If anyone has any ideas > > that has helped your child please let me know I am desperate it's just > > so flustrating! !! > > I have tried ignoring, talking to him about his OCD, changing his mind, > > answering his questions, but poor thing he even sleeps with his > > flashlight. > > Please help > > Thank you > > From concerned Mom! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hi there, My 9 year old is extremely fearful of death. It is something that is almost paralyzing and last week our fish died to make matters worse! The fish was on it's last fins and he was rolling dice saying if I roll odds it will die and if I roll evens it will live.... Of course, when it died, he was a mess.... wanting to run away, etc.... This has been going on for 2 years, but waxes and wanes as far as how prevalent it is. I talk with him about God and how God is the one decides when he will allow us to come to him. That we cannot take the power away from God, not even OCD can take that power away from God... it is not our decision to make, when someone will or won't die. As well, when he is obsessing on death, I straight talk him and say " ... your OCD is making you think these things, tell it to to leave you alone, that God is in charge " ... It hasn't stopped, but it does get much better at times. I am sorry for what you are going through... We recently, after consulting with our therapist, started putting movies on at night time for him... cartoon series that he has seen before... this helps him go to sleep... with the cartoons on, his focus isn't the OCD and death and other things like counting, it provides a break for his mind. It doesn't work for all kids, but it is working for him for now... I would rather have him go to bed thinking of Sponge Bob, than my grandmother that passed away 3 years ago... Good luck and let us know what works for you! Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Hi, I'm . I don't have any advise like some of the great moms on here, wish I did, but we're still learning. But wanted to say I'm sorry for what your son is going through, and you as a parent too, sometimes it is so scary, especially when its all new. Micah is almost 12, and became obsessed with karma a few months ago. At first I thought it was the usual kid fear, but it grew to where he was afraid to speak. It did get better on its own, but it took a couple of months. We did continue to talk about it, reassuming him. He's moved on to other OCD things, and is now in therapy and on med. Week #2. I realize you've been here awhile, and just listening and learning...but wanted to say welcome, as its your first post. In a message dated 12/17/2008 1:36:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, etuedorenda@... writes: I have always just listened and used the information I have received on this site but now I am at the end of my rope. My son is 7 and has OCD along with many other challenges and his main issue is Fear of Death. He always talks and asks questions about death, it could even be the same questions over and over. I have tried everything I could think of and even some I heard you all talk about and now I don't know what else to do. There is no counselor here were we live that can see him and I am worried it will get worse. His life at school,church,school,churschool,chschool,church,<WBR>activities,<WBR>so holds it in till he sees me or his dad and then he just starts crying saying he's thinking about dead people again. If anyone has any ideas that has helped your child please let me know I am desperate it's just so flustrating!so I have tried ignoring, talking to him about his OCD, changing his mind, answering his questions, but poor thing he even sleeps with his flashlight. Please help Thank you From concerned Mom! **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I really appreciate all the advice. To answer some of your questions he fears all of the areas concerning death. He was having problems with bathroom because of germs and getting sick and dying -we are blessed to be over that for now. Also he says he sees things that make him think of dead people, the dark is also really bad (we have lights we turn on for him while he sleeps so it's not as dark) he worries about things that happen after you die -heaven,hell,devil,even the casket, just everything and it doesn't matter what you say I truly don't think he fully understands. We go to church and try to always tell him the Lord is with him and that God will take care of everything but it's just his fear and he can't seem to make his mind think anything diff. Math and counting seems to be the new thing-I haven't even started tackling that yet- I few things do seem to help like we got a swing we put in his room and he swings in the morning and night and that seems to help and also a big thing is keeping his mind busy but that is really hard as he goes 100mph I will try the naming the OCD and will try reading that book-he might really like naming his OCD. The worse part is we had lost 2 children (1son was miscarriage and 1daughter stillborn) and I love to go to my daughters gravesite and put flowers and things there but it makes it very hard to get over there now because I can't take my son with me or the OCD will start flaring up. I have still tried to incorporate him going atleast once a yr for my daughters birthday to take flowers but it makes it hard - I don't want to hurt my son but yet I can't forget my daughter I lost- so I don't know - I will try all these things you all have discussed and will let you know how it goes. Again thank you! If worse case we will have to start on some meds and who knows that might be all he needs to live a peaceful life. he is truly our miracle-he was born at 24 wks at 1pd 7ounces and I feel even blessed to have him and I just want the best for him like any mom here would want Thanks-sorry so long-I could go on for hours- > > Hi, > I'm . I don't have any advise like some of the great moms on here, wish > I did, but we're still learning. But wanted to say I'm sorry for what your > son is going through, and you as a parent too, sometimes it is so scary, > especially when its all new. > Micah is almost 12, and became obsessed with karma a few months ago. At > first I thought it was the usual kid fear, but it grew to where he was afraid to > speak. It did get better on its own, but it took a couple of months. We did > continue to talk about it, reassuming him. He's moved on to other OCD things, > and is now in therapy and on med. Week #2. > I realize you've been here awhile, and just listening and learning...but > wanted to say welcome, as its your first post. > > > > > In a message dated 12/17/2008 1:36:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, > etuedorenda@... writes: > > > > > I have always just listened and used the information I have received on > this site but now I am at the end of my rope. My son is 7 and has OCD > along with many other challenges and his main issue is Fear of Death. > He always talks and asks questions about death, it could even be the > same questions over and over. I have tried everything I could think of > and even some I heard you all talk about and now I don't know what else > to do. There is no counselor here were we live that can see him and I > am worried it will get worse. His life at > school,church,school,churschool,chschool,church,<WBR>activities,<WBR> so > holds it in till he sees me or his dad and then he just starts crying > saying he's thinking about dead people again. If anyone has any ideas > that has helped your child please let me know I am desperate it's just > so flustrating!so > I have tried ignoring, talking to him about his OCD, changing his mind, > answering his questions, but poor thing he even sleeps with his > flashlight. > Please help > Thank you > From concerned Mom! > > > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Hi again. About death/dying -- what I ended up doing (frantically) when all my sons were upset about it (no OCD) was going to the library weekly and checking out books for kids about Heaven. I'd flip thru the books there first to make sure I thought it'd be good. I'd get a few each visit and then read them at our regular, nightly reading time (before bed). I know many people don't believe in near-death experiences (i.e., dying and coming back) but if we were still discussing stuff I would tell them how EVERYone I had read about, saw on TV, whatever, always found it a peaceful experience and were no longer scared of dying. And discuss that some. Oh and we might discuss too, after the books, what we liked best. Or what we'd like Heaven to be like for ourselves (like I want my favorite trees), that type thing. I don't know what about the casket bothers him. But that thought bothers me too, LOL, I'm a bit claustrophobic and then being buried.... Like it will matter then. I know I don't want cremation. What are those tombs where you're above ground...? LOL. At any rate, for quite a while (weeks) we read books, talked, I gave my thoughts, etc., and eventually things calmed down with my sons. And when my kids keep asking questions, sometimes there is no telling what comes out of my mouth (like questions about Santa, sometimes I get creative) so later I'm sort of praying myself to say " sorry! " for anything I might have said/come up with that isn't (or may not) be true...but said while wanting to reassure my sons. So - if you feel these are those genuine childhood thoughts, questions, fears, curiousity, you should handle them as that. If a part of it, or all, is OCD you can help him learn about tricky, bossy OCD and about bossing back (naming too, as you said) and work on things from that perspective. If he asks too often each day, you can do things like only " X " number of questions a day (start high, lower it later), have him write questions and put in a box for later (maybe pull out a question or 2 or the whole box) at a certain time of day.... Just ways to reduce this if it's a constant stream of talking/asking each day. My sympathy to you about your son & daughter. I think at some point later - maybe much later, but there will come a day - he'll be fine visiting his sister and bringing flowers himself. Have you tried little " stories " like she sees the flowers there from Heaven...okay, I'm brainstorming again, sigh! Wow, 1 lb 7 oz, he has done great, your miracle baby! single mom, 3 sons , 19, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers > > I really appreciate all the advice. > To answer some of your questions he fears all of the areas > concerning death. He was having problems with bathroom because of > germs and getting sick and dying -we are blessed to be over that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Hi, my DD's biggest obsession right now is also the fear of death; she's 14. When she was 7, my brother died tragically at 34; he had lived with us right before his death; my kids were right in the thick of it, but seemed to be ok. In Jan 07 my mom died at only 63 after a difficult surgery and 4 months in the hospital. Again, she seemed to handle things ok. Then..... 's OCD " began " when a kid at her birthday sleepover wouldn't stop talking about dying in your sleep; it's been a constant theme ever since August. BUT since she can't bear to talk about death or think about it, her fears manifests itself in various ways, currently in a fear of shoes, right now, it's just shoes, shoes, shoes and the germs they carry. And here's the weird thing: out in public, she handles things well, one might never know unless you knew what to look for. BUT AT HOME, she's wigging me out; she walks around on tiptoes, and with her hands in the air (to keep them as far as possible away from any shoes). I tell her if her heels at least don't touch the floor, I get to tickle her (since her hands are so high up). This works! Her 11-year old brother will ask her if she's being arrested (boy humor!). We're trying ERP on our own, because we haven't been able to see the therapist for a couple of weeks, but it seems to have no effect at all. And she won't do it unless I make her, so that part is a struggle. Monday at 2pm we're having her talk to our paster (without us at her request) about death, salvation, heaven, anything. We're so hoping this will help; have you tried this with your son? Maybe a youth minister at your church? Just some random thoughts.... Debbie Cavender http://twochinadolls.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ Domain Registration - Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9SmzUZGZJw1TrydMIAhLRowFqJC\ m7BxGJSLD0pKi4J4jeNj/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Joei calls hers OCDevil. I can't remember which doctor was on the Oprah show, but she heard him call it that and got a kick out of it.  ~~Kathy  Courage is not living without fear. Courage is being scared to death and doing the right thing anyway. -Chae ________________________________ To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32:39 AM Subject: Re: Re: Never Posted before That is what my daughter's therapist had her do.  She had her choose a name for her OCD.  My daughter chose " Creepy Guy " and then the therapist had her draw a picture of " Creepy Guy " .  Re: Never Posted before Hi , Just wanted to say I love all your ideas here. Separating the OCD from your son and naming the " characters " that contribute to the acting out stuff, but holding your son accountable for the actions is brilliant! If your son can stay clear on all this at his young age you've given him great strategies for life, never mind OCD. Ours, teen, reached a point where he could not separate from the OCD and would even get inflamed if we suggested it was the OCD. We're past this now, but if you can maintain this approach with your son he will be so well prepared for the teen years where understanding responsibility and accountability for your actions is so important and elusive sometimes. Warmly, Barb > > I don't want to repeat myself, since you've said you've read postings > here. But what has helped my 6 yr old is naming the emotions in his > head and talk ing to them as if they were other people. We have Warren > the Worrier, Edgar the Angry, Calvin the Calm, the Positive > Thinker etc. When Warren or Edgar " show up " we as parents address the > unwanted behavior by speaking, in very calm, soft voices, to the > " guilty party " . It helps my son feel like he's not being attacked or > punished. (However, if the behavior merits a time out, my son has to > go with " them " because he's ultimately responsible for the whole gang > of characters.) We tell my son to put these guys back in their crates > (we have a dog who gets crated when we're not home, so this makes > sense to my son). The impact of using this strategy with him has been > nothing short of amazing. It puts in on his level. He's now learned > (after months and months of practice) to talk back and be in charge > (usually). > > We've also practiced " realistic thinking " and he's started talking to > his teddy bear in the same way, assuring " Beary " that there's no need > to worry if the power goes out during a storm yadayada. You cannot win > a rational argument about how illogical their fears are. You can only > try to teach them that they are in charge of their fears and that you > believe in them and know they can overcome this, with your help. > > I could go on and on about the anxiety part of my son's issues, but I > don't want to bore everyone else. Feel free to email me if you want > more details on how we now deal with our " cast of characters " > > Best of luck! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 That's great Dorenda! Sounds like he's doing an awesome job at bossing back! YAY! You're right, it does help give them some control back when they can recognize/talk back to the OCD. > > It WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My son decided to name it Mr. Barn (don't know why but he loved the idea to name it what ever he wanted) so now he will just come up and say he's back and we will talk to him and say Mr. Barn go away we are having fun or we are going to Uncle's house or something and we would say bye bye and then I would tell him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 This is so great Dorenda!!! Gaining the insight that the OCD is separate from them is so critical to their being able to fight it. Also makes is possible for you to both get mad/laugh/ignore " IT " together, once it is depersonalized. Yeah!!! Hugs! Barb > > > > > > I don't want to repeat myself, since you've said you've read > > postings > > > here. But what has helped my 6 yr old is naming the emotions in his > > > head and talk > ing to them as if they were other people. We have > > Warren > > > the Worrier, Edgar the Angry, Calvin the Calm, the Positive > > > Thinker etc. When Warren or Edgar " show up " we as parents address > > the > > > unwanted behavior by speaking, in very calm, soft voices, to the > > > " guilty party " . It helps my son feel like he's not being attacked or > > > punished. (However, if the behavior merits a time out, my son has to > > > go with " them " because he's ultimately responsible for the whole > > gang > > > of characters.) We tell my son to put these guys back in their > > crates > > > (we have a dog who gets crated when we're not home, so this makes > > > sense to my son). The impact of using this strategy with him has > > been > > > nothing short of amazing. It puts in on his level. He's now learned > > > (after months and months of practice) to talk back and be in charge > > > (usually). > > > > > > We've also practiced " realistic thinking " and he's started talking > > to > > > his teddy bear in the same way, assuring " Beary " that there's no > > need > > > to worry if the power goes out during a storm yadayada. You cannot > > win > > > a rational argument about how illogical their fears are. You can > > only > > > try to teach them that they are in charge of their fears and that > > you > > > believe in them and know they can overcome this, with your help. > > > > > > I could go on and on about the anxiety part of my son's issues, but > > I > > > don't want to > bore everyone else. Feel free to email me if you want > > > more details on how we now deal with our " cast of characters " > > > > > > Best of luck! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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