Re: Time to raise a fundamental question

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Dear Dr. RuppersbergerThe link you posted didn't work for me, could you try posting again or attaching? I'm interested in learning more about your Philly NFP Network, since I'm originally from town, PA (although my husband has us currently stationed in Norfolk, VA) - and may some day go back there (and if I go back, I'd like to teach there too). I'd be happy to pay dues as well! I'm on board with meeting them where they are and trying to change the contraceptive mentality of our culture. I think we need to infiltrate the mass media somehow. 

- O'Connor, RN, BSNA Gift: NFP/FA Services

 

I know it has been said before, but using Christ’s model in meeting “them where they are”- already entrenched in the contraceptive mentality, we, as physicians and healthcare providers, need to impress upon our patients the fertility is NOT a disease to be medicated, surgerized, burned, cut or blocked, that hormones (i.e. pill) are dangerous and have risks (WHI did that for menopausal women and they stopped their hormones overnight!) and IF they desired a family planning method that worked and promoted their health and their marriages and their families, then NFP – no matter which “type” is the way to go.  Once this is there, we will need an “infrastructure” of teachers, supporters and materials and programs to offer on a large scale- which, now, in my opinion, we do not have.  For example, our Archdiocese in Phila instructs about 100 couples through the Family Life Office; we have about 5000 marriages every year in the Archdiocese; we have 8 total instructors certified for 260 parishes (2 Hispanic). If all 5500 couples getting married needed instruction in NFP before they married, the FLO would not be able to handle it – we would have to teach 96 couples every week!  We ALL need to collaborate and offer ALL modalities and be supportive of all of them regardless of which ONE we personally teach or support.   A national symposium or collaborative meeting to discuss our agreements and our needs would be a good first step; implementation plans as a template could be drawn up; they could be made available to the Dioceses, Bishops and Catholic hospital systems and go from there.  Just some musings.  We have a Phila Natural Family Planning Network of over 600 on a mailing list with about 25 paid dues members and this is not supported nor supplemented by anyone other than the 7 people on the board.  We have a quarterly newsletter, an annual conference(about 100 attendees) and a website (on which our talks from the last two years are there for free for download-pnfpn.org for those interested).  We subsist on donations.  We have done billboards.  We have no office other than a P.O. Box and use a warehouse office donated for our meetings. We are 13 yrs old and we will continue to spread the word, but there is too much fragmentation to have a consistently well received message.

Les Ruppersberger,D.O.Pres PNFPN

 From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Usala

Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:16 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Time to raise a fundamental question

  Dr. Peck: 

I present NFP exclusively in my practice. I 'get by' since I mainly do adult endocrine & diabetes.  

My wife is the director of NFP in the Amarillo diocese. It is a requirement for marriage in the Amarillo diocese to at least have completed a course in NFP. Although the enthusiasm for this is 'mixed', the Amarillo diocese has stood firm on this under Bishop Yanta and now Bishop Zurek. 

 If more dioceses made an NFP course a requirement for marriage in the Church, this would be a good thing at various levels.

 Steve Usala

  In her book, Catholics and Contraception (cornellpress.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/catholics-and-contraception/), the author reviews the history of contraception in America, and how Priests would preach Missions in the late 1800s and into the early to mid 1900s about the use of withdrawl, condoms, diaphragms and other agents of contraception (even before the " pill " was available).  The contraceptive mindset has long been with us it seems, even before the advent of the pill.  Casti Connubi was written in 1930 (approx) to respond to  the division that Lambath created over " birth control " .  The pill succeeded in large part, because Margaret Sanger was able to bring the topic of contraception out from hidden magazines into the doctors offices. She was able to convince the medical profession to prescribe contraception as a service to women. Then Humanae Vitae came, and more divisions occurred. Priests were not sure where other Priests stood on the topic. Bishops, Priests and moral theologians engaged in frank dissent. The uncertainty of their own brethen's stance on this issue, coupled with the aggressive push of the medical community to prescribe OCPS has helped to make the birth control pill the most prescribed pill to young and middle aged women.  Nurses, Doctors, NFP Instructors, and Priests must stand together to push back the contraceptive mentality in every way possible. I, as just one physician, want to stand with all of you to help fight back. Blessings,

 Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL  32174  fax: cell:

 

To: nfpprofessionals Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:39 AMSubject: Re: Time to raise a fundamental question

  We will disappear. It is that simple. But we will not disappear if the contraceptive mentality is eventually overcome. But for those caught in the contraceptive lifestyle, it is a powerful diabolical addiction for many, and cannot simply be overcome by telling them to have children, or by telling them to appreciate the gift of children. This (children) is for many of them (again not all but indeed many) their greatest fear and loathing, and needs special help, and for them NFP is almost a form of reparative therapy, affording a chance of normative marital union, normative intimacy, that in time will help " repair " the damage done by years of contraceptive affective conditioning.

 Contraception is indeed diabolical. Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...) Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell)

(FAX)pedullad@...

  " ...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself. " (Inter Insignores)

  

Fwd: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

  

--- Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

 Yes in principle. With PdG a single value will give you the answer but with the BBT you must have daily measurements and then if the BBT increase following a mucus patch was small and lasted a single day it might be difficult to interpret. However, I leave the BBT experts to discuss this. Len Blackwell

  Wouldn't the elevation or non-elevation of the basal temperature after a mucus patch accomplish the same thing?

Kippley  

 

 -- J. Usala, M.D., Ph.D., F.A.C.P.Amarillo Medical Specialists, Endocrinology & Diabetes

Vice President, AMS Rheology & Reproduction, IncClinical Associate Professor, TTU HSC, Amarillo, TX

Adjunct Associate Professor, Department of Chemical Engineering, TTU, Lubbock, TX Suite 405

1215 S. CoulterAmarillo, TX 79106cell:

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It is pnfpn.org or holyspiritradio.org under the NFP….for Life link . From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C.Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 1:14 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Time to raise a fundamental question Dear Dr. RuppersbergerThe link you posted didn't work for me, could you try posting again or attaching? I'm interested in learning more about your Philly NFP Network, since I'm originally from town, PA (although my husband has us currently stationed in Norfolk, VA) - and may some day go back there (and if I go back, I'd like to teach there too). I'd be happy to pay dues as well! I'm on board with meeting them where they are and trying to change the contraceptive mentality of our culture. I think we need to infiltrate the mass media somehow. - O'Connor, RN, BSNA Gift: NFP/FA Services I know it has been said before, but using Christ’s model in meeting “them where they are”- already entrenched in the contraceptive mentality, we, as physicians and healthcare providers, need to impress upon our patients the fertility is NOT a disease to be medicated, surgerized, burned, cut or blocked, that hormones (i.e. pill) are dangerous and have risks (WHI did that for menopausal women and they stopped their hormones overnight!) and IF they desired a family planning method that worked and promoted their health and their marriages and their families, then NFP – no matter which “type” is the way to go. Once this is there, we will need an “infrastructure” of teachers, supporters and materials and programs to offer on a large scale- which, now, in my opinion, we do not have. For example, our Archdiocese in Phila instructs about 100 couples through the Family Life Office; we have about 5000 marriages every year in the Archdiocese; we have 8 total instructors certified for 260 parishes (2 Hispanic). If all 5500 couples getting married needed instruction in NFP before they married, the FLO would not be able to handle it – we would have to teach 96 couples every week! We ALL need to collaborate and offer ALL modalities and be supportive of all of them regardless of which ONE we personally teach or support. A national symposium or collaborative meeting to discuss our agreements and our needs would be a good first step; implementation plans as a template could be drawn up; they could be made available to the Dioceses, Bishops and Catholic hospital systems and go from there. Just some musings. We have a Phila Natural Family Planning Network of over 600 on a mailing list with about 25 paid dues members and this is not supported nor supplemented by anyone other than the 7 people on the board. We have a quarterly newsletter, an annual conference(about 100 attendees) and a website (on which our talks from the last two years are there for free for download-pnfpn.org for those interested). We subsist on donations. We have done billboards. We have no office other than a P.O. Box and use a warehouse office donated for our meetings. We are 13 yrs old and we will continue to spread the word, but there is too much fragmentation to have a consistently well received message.Les Ruppersberger,D.O.Pres PNFPN From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of UsalaSent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:16 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Time to raise a fundamental question Dr. Peck: I present NFP exclusively in my practice. I 'get by' since I mainly do adult endocrine & diabetes. My wife is the director of NFP in the Amarillo diocese. It is a requirement for marriage in the Amarillo diocese to at least have completed a course in NFP. Although the enthusiasm for this is 'mixed', the Amarillo diocese has stood firm on this under Bishop Yanta and now Bishop Zurek. If more dioceses made an NFP course a requirement for marriage in the Church, this would be a good thing at various levels. Steve Usala In her book, Catholics and Contraception (cornellpress.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/catholics-and-contraception/), the author reviews the history of contraception in America, and how Priests would preach Missions in the late 1800s and into the early to mid 1900s about the use of withdrawl, condoms, diaphragms and other agents of contraception (even before the " pill " was available). The contraceptive mindset has long been with us it seems, even before the advent of the pill. Casti Connubi was written in 1930 (approx) to respond to the division that Lambath created over " birth control " . The pill succeeded in large part, because Margaret Sanger was able to bring the topic of contraception out from hidden magazines into the doctors offices. She was able to convince the medical profession to prescribe contraception as a service to women. Then Humanae Vitae came, and more divisions occurred. Priests were not sure where other Priests stood on the topic. Bishops, Priests and moral theologians engaged in frank dissent. The uncertainty of their own brethen's stance on this issue, coupled with the aggressive push of the medical community to prescribe OCPS has helped to make the birth control pill the most prescribed pill to young and middle aged women. Nurses, Doctors, NFP Instructors, and Priests must stand together to push back the contraceptive mentality in every way possible. I, as just one physician, want to stand with all of you to help fight back. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP InstructorPecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2AOrmond Beach, FL 32174 fax: cell: To: nfpprofessionals Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:39 AMSubject: Re: Time to raise a fundamental question We will disappear. It is that simple. But we will not disappear if the contraceptive mentality is eventually overcome. But for those caught in the contraceptive lifestyle, it is a powerful diabolical addiction for many, and cannot simply be overcome by telling them to have children, or by telling them to appreciate the gift of children. This (children) is for many of them (again not all but indeed many) their greatest fear and loathing, and needs special help, and for them NFP is almost a form of reparative therapy, affording a chance of normative marital union, normative intimacy, that in time will help " repair " the damage done by years of contraceptive affective conditioning. Contraception is indeed diabolical. Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...) Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX)pedullad@... " ...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself. " (Inter Insignores) Fwd: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? --- Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? Yes in principle. With PdG a single value will give you the answer but with the BBT you must have daily measurements and then if the BBT increase following a mucus patch was small and lasted a single day it might be difficult to interpret. However, I leave the BBT experts to discuss this. Len Blackwell Wouldn't the elevation or non-elevation of the basal temperature after a mucus patch accomplish the same thing? Kippley -- J. Usala, M.D., Ph.D., F.A.C.P.Amarillo Medical Specialists, Endocrinology & DiabetesVice President, AMS Rheology & Reproduction, IncClinical Associate Professor, TTU HSC, Amarillo, TXAdjunct Associate Professor, Department of Chemical Engineering, TTU, Lubbock, TX Suite 4051215 S. CoulterAmarillo, TX 79106cell:ofc:home:fax:677-2014email:stephenusala@...

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When I was traveling with several mothers to a tournament (about 4 years ago), they discussed why their children were not giving them more grandchildren. These mothers agreed that today with both parents working --- the parents are too busy to enjoy having another child other than the 1 or 2 they already have.

Sheila

Re: Time to raise a fundamental question

In the "mix of things" I reflect, sadly, that so many have little interest in having children witnessed in the Western world where only three of the thirty-eight modern industrialized nations are not repopulating their current numbers, notably Japan and Russia whose birthrate is .06% where 2.2% is

needed to maintain their current population. Their importance in humanity will thereby decrease while the Muslim world exceeds the base population of the world. What will be the outcome of humanity which does not follow the only command given in creation in Genesis, "increase and multiply"?

Fr. Tom Bartolomeo