Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Hi all Lots of interesting talk about supplements!! has been chronically anemic for years--I understand there is a relationship between lead poisoning and iron deficiency. I know that Citramin II doesn't have copper or iron in it. Should we think about supplementing iron during our off days of chelation?? s San Diego Re: [ ] re: melatonin ><< I have some questions about melatonin. Any comments >will be appreciated. I recently started giving my son 1 mg melatonin >at bedtime. Within two days, some symptoms got noticeably worse, in >particular emotional volatility, and the worst bags under his eyes we >had seen in some time. As melatonin seemed to be the only change in >his regimen, I stopped it, and the next day his behaviour was >improved. >> > >10% or so of adults have this kind of response to melatonin too. Not >everyone tolerates it. > >Andy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Lead prevents the synthesis of the heme porphyrin ring and then keeps iron from being stuck into it. Certain specific tests like free erythrocyte protoporphyrin and zinc protoporphyrin show whether lead is doing this. Make sure that the CBC (blood count) says iron deficiency and not B-12 deficiency. If it says iron deficiency or is kinda low on those scales, do give him iron. Watch out for grocery/drug store supplements - they are usually loaded with red dye and hydrogenated fats. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 how can the CBC say b12 deficiency how would it read. Crystal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 << how can the CBC say b12 deficiency how would it read. >> MCV and MCH are off. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 My son is anemic . His DAN dr put him on 10 mg ferrous fumerate. He takes it with lunch since it shouldnt be given with antox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 sorry about that-- iron shouldnt be taken with antioxidants (which he takes at breakfast and dinner.) I open a capsule and mix it with soy yogurt. karen ps he is 4 and weighs 40 lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 They put me on iron drops at about age 4. Not sure what pointed them in that direction...I would first guess " failure to thrive " since I looked rather scrawny and records showed that at age 7 weighed only 44 lbs. Probably mercury related... S -------------------------------------------------------------- My son is anemic . His DAN dr put him on 10 mg ferrous fumerate. He takes it with lunch since it shouldnt be given with antox *** [This message has been truncated.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Hi Liberty, I have an issue of low iron too, it seems that Mercury competes with Zinc and Iron also depletes Zinc. If this is the case, maybe Zinc is being suppressed and is causing a regulatory mechanism such as Ceruloplasmin to transform Iron to it's storage form and thus is available if required, but may not show up much in analysis other than in things like transferritin and ferritin, this would usually serve to increase Zinc. The problem is perhaps that Zinc is too heavily competed by mercury for this system to be effective. Ceruloplasmin is also a chelator of copper and as such I'm guessing may be effected by other metals. As well as all of this, Iron as you will know has a role in Red blood cells, first it must combine with Protoheme and then become Heme etc., this is subject to bioavailability of Protoheme and this is subject to the activity of Aminolevulinate dehydratase which is susceptible to inhibition by lead and increased urinary concentration of aminolevulinic acid serves as a marker of lead toxicity. I think that there are other pathways too. The blood test that revealed low iron was done during a time when I was trying a multivitamin plus Iron, it did not make much sense at the time. I have read that Ceruloplasmin may be elevated in autism, it is unclear whether it is a causitive factor or consequence of autism/mercury. Ceruloplasmin is doing a good job in some respects, it makes reactive Iron more stable, and as bacteria love Iron, it may be part of an innate protective mechanism. Vitamin C aids iron absorption and B12 deficiency gives symptoms of anaemia. B12 is dependant on Intrinsic-factor for absorption and Folic acid plays a part too but I can't remember what. There are no two ways about it, Iron is important, it acts as a cofactor in enzymic processes, but I think we will always be bouncing back to Mercury and whatever is causing Mercury to stay. Do you have any Zinc status results? Jon . [ ] iron supplementation Hi,My son has always tested low for iron (he has never eaten meat --his own choice, not mine). I supplemented for a while with a multiple vitamin with iron, but then was told by a nutritionist who dealt with kids with autism that he didn't really need the iron. I also think I read that kids with autism shouldn't be given iron in their supplements??? I'm just wondering because I recently took my son to my kinesiologist and he said he needs iron. I'm not sure if I should give it or not? If anyone has anything to share on this issue, I'd really appreciate it. Also, if you do give iron, please share how much you give and what brand since I know that it can be nasty tasting. Thanks for all your help,Liberty======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Hi, When I had my sons blood work done prior to chelation, he was a bit anemic. The nurse called in a prescription for liquid iron, I'm sorry I don't remember exactly what it was called. I read the ingredients on the label and was bothered by so many ingredients. I poured it done the drain and got on the internet and asked what other parents were doing. I got one answer that I loved. A mom told me she just cooked in iron skillets. I remembered my mom telling me this worked also. I got a cast iron pan and started cooking for him in it. 4 months later had his blood work done again and he was fine, with in range. I never gave supplements. I told my doctor what I did and he laughed and was suprised. My older daughter also reminded me that when she was pregnant I gave her dandelion root, and she also came out of severe anemia during her pregnancy and felt great. Leah -- In @y..., forliberty@h... wrote: > Hi, > > My son has always tested low for iron (he has never eaten meat -- his > own choice, not mine). I supplemented for a while with a multiple > vitamin with iron, but then was told by a nutritionist who dealt with > kids with autism that he didn't really need the iron. I also think I > read that kids with autism shouldn't be given iron in their > supplements??? I'm just wondering because I recently took my son to > my kinesiologist and he said he needs iron. I'm not sure if I should > give it or not? If anyone has anything to share on this issue, I'd > really appreciate it. Also, if you do give iron, please share how > much you give and what brand since I know that it can be nasty > tasting. > > Thanks for all your help, > Liberty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 Just a test -----Original Message-----From: krnstvn@... [mailto:krnstvn@...]Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [ ] iron supplementationsorry about that-- iron shouldnt be taken with antioxidants (which he takes at breakfast and dinner.) I open a capsule and mix it with soy yogurt. karen ps he is 4 and weighs 40 lbs ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Hello, I've been trying to keep up with this email list through digest, and have been enjoying and learning a lot. I am also thrilled by NT -- this is the first 'diet book' to interest me in years. About iron: My children and myself were able to improve our blood iron levels by eating raw beets daily. If fresh, they are delicious. We also saw our iron go over the roof during the time that we followed a diet separating the ingestion of protein foods from carbohydrates, a la Diamond's " Fit For Life " . We were eating very little milk or meat products, so I guess our bodies were able to absorb the iron well from vegetable sources. We did a lot of fresh carrot, apple or beet juice. During pregnancy, my midwife suggested that I cook slices of dried pear in red wine, and take three slices a day, with meals. My iron level soared and I was not constipated. Hope this helps someone. son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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