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[Guest guest]

Speaking as someone with extensive experience in using Brown's ovarian hormone monitor, and daily use of the Billings chart in clinical practice, I cannot agree more with Prof. Blackwell. What needs to be added, IMHO, is that follicles which are destined to become atretic produce a non-changing pattern of vaginal discharge, as these follicles are being suppressed by an underlying metabolic issue, which I have recently distilled down into the following: hyperinsulinemia, hyperprolactinemia, hypercortisolemia, thyroid dysfunction and inflammation, notably gluten intolerance. So while indeed these days may trigger abstinence behavior initially, the diagnostic implications of non-progressing patterns are immense, and couples can use non-changing patterns, once recognized.

My next statement will stir a hornet's nest, but it is the subjective nature of interpretation which is at issue. For the past 3 years, I have recommended the following website to my patients: www.billingsmentor.org. The program removes user bias, the chart does not need correction to be interpreted by the clinician, and the website is cost-free. I have yet to find an unplanned pregnancy amongst my users.

W. , M.D.,FACOG

Billings Center For Fertility and Reproductive Medicine

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   I think we are very close but perhaps differ as to who should make the decision. Granted, doctors are trained to make decisions about medical problems. But when it comes to the decision about whether to use something as cheap and simple as well tested as a basal thermometer, I think that ordinary couples are capable of making that decision if they are given adequate information. I think it is theologically amiss for the Church to align itself too closely with any particular method, and therefore it should be insisting that couples be given sufficient information so that the have the freedom of choice that is appropriate to ordinary folks. The will cannot choose what the intellect has not considered.Â

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NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

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Good afternoon!

I was asked by my pastor to draft an after Mass announcement I would make in person soon. What do you think of this? I think I have 2 minutes.Â

Good morning. As a nurse and women and couples' health advocate I ask for you to consider this:  Religious freedom vs. contraceptives

We have until this August 2012, before Catholic churches and Catholic agencies will be forced in their insurance plans to cover contraceptives free of charge to the insurance member.   Do we have to take sides?  Women or religion?    Of course we know: religious freedom AND true women's health care for sure!

Truthfully many are caught in the middle and we think we have to choose because we've taken the Pill for planning purposes and teen or women's health.     Consider this perspective: We can support our Church's religious freedom and it's teachings against contraceptive use for family planning .  We can support our Bishops and priests AND embrace the Church's teachings by understanding it's practical help through Natural Methods of Fertility Awareness or NFP offered by local practitioners.Â

 What would you say if you were told there was another effective, safe method which took care of both: family planning and women's health without use of contraceptives at all?      Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right in our very own locale, have turned with success to natural methods in conjunction with medical care for healing.  This offers up to 80% success in a totally moral manner where IVF fails.Â

 There is no need for fear of religious freedom without the Pill. Pills have high doses of hormones, elevate the risk of blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, weight gain, and has not ever been researched for its use for women's health. Fertility is a healthy state, no need to be reduced to a disease.  The miracle of creating new life is stripped of its entire dual meanings : babies and bonding in every marital embrace and turns it into a private "contact" sport. This is what drug free/ device free fertility awareness or natural family planning looks like:

99% effective 100% natural, underlying causes of women's physical and mental health revealed and healed without use of the Pill, private, and personalized couple centered learning....

You might not have thought much about religious freedom because you haven't lived under oppression.

You also might not have thought much about natural family planning or fertility awareness methods for teens, singles and married women for women's health because you thought it was ineffective or too much work or wasn't ever mentioned by your doctor as a viable option.  As a wife, mother and currently a Registered Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples who've taken a full Natural Family planning course and communicate with their doctor to manage all women's reproductive health issues, including depression and irregularities of all kinds and family planning based on their private and personal daily fertility journal. Local, organic and sustainable to women's health and the power to create human life with God.

.. Natural family planning can help sustain your openness to life and love in your life. These are the 2 ends of our physical expression in our relationships whether married or not.

In harmony with nature and God's ways, you have the freedom to trust NFP for healing,  for family planning & women's health.   This is the freedom the Church invites us too.  Your body knows, you can too!

I will be available in the Green Room at back of parish hall to offer materials, information for your own research and discuss your comments on this. I welcome them and you! I would very much expect opposing viewpoints. I will listen and want to hear your story.  There is still hope and healing.

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

 At this point, any woman can get the Pill for free if she has financial issues. Right here at our local Planned Parenthood in Montgomery Village.

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

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--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

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wording?

> ,

> I think we are very close but perhaps differ as to who should make

> the decision. Granted, doctors are trained to make decisions about

> medical problems. But when it comes to the decision about whether to

> use something as cheap and simple as well tested as a basal

> thermometer, I think that ordinary couples are capable of making

that

> decision if they are given adequate information. I think it is

> theologically amiss for the Church to align itself too closely with

> any particular method, and therefore it should be insisting that

> couples be given sufficient information so that the have the freedom

> of choice that is appropriate to ordinary folks. The will cannot

> choose what the intellect has not considered.

> Kippley

> * NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

>

> Good afternoon!

>

> I was asked by my pastor to draft an after Mass

> announcement I would make in person soon. What do you

> think of this? I think I have 2 minutes.

>

> *

> Good morning. As a nurse and women and couples' health

> advocate I ask for you to consider this: Religious

> freedom vs. contraceptives*

>

> *We have until this August 2012, before Catholic churches and

> Catholic agencies will be forced in their insurance plans to

> cover contraceptives free of charge to the insurance

> member. Do we have to take sides? Women or religion?

> Of course we know: religious freedom AND true women's

> health care// for sure!

> Truthfully many are caught in the middle and we think we have

> to choose because we've taken the Pill for planning purposes

> and teen or women's health. Consider this perspective: We

> can support our Church's religious freedom and it's teachings

> against contraceptive use for family planning . We

> can support our Bishops and priests AND /embrace/ the Church's

> teachings by understanding it's practical help through Natural

> Methods of Fertility Awareness or NFP offered by local

> practitioners. *

> * What would you say if you were told there was another

> effective, safe method which took care of both: family

> planning and women's health without use of contraceptives at

> all? Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right in our

> very own locale, have turned with success to natural methods

> in conjunction with medical care for healing. This offers up

> to 80% success in a totally moral manner where IVF fails. *

> * There is no need for fear of religious freedom without the

> Pill. Pills have high doses of hormones, elevate the risk of

> blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, weight gain, and has not

> ever been researched for its use for women's health.

> Fertility is a healthy state, no need to be reduced to a

> disease. The miracle of creating new life is stripped of its

> entire dual meanings : babies and bonding in every marital

> embrace and turns it into a private " contact " sport. This

is

> what drug free/ device free fertility awareness or natural

> family planning looks like:

> 99% effective 100% natural, underlying causes of women's

> physical and mental health revealed and healed without use of

> the Pill, private, and personalized couple centered learning....

> You might not have thought much about religious freedom

> because you haven't lived under oppression.

> You also might not have thought much about natural family

> planning or fertility awareness methods for teens, singles and

> married women for women's health because you thought it was

> ineffective or too much work or wasn't ever mentioned by your

> doctor as a viable option. As a wife, mother and currently a

> Registered Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples who've taken

> a full Natural Family planning course and communicate with

> their doctor to manage all women's reproductive health issues,

> including depression and irregularities of all kinds and

> family planning based on their private and personal daily

> fertility journal. Local, organic and sustainable to women's

> health and the power to create human life with God.

> . Natural family planning can help sustain your openness to

> life and love in your life. These are the 2 ends of our

> physical expression in our relationships whether married or not.

> In harmony with nature and God's ways, you have the freedom

> to trust NFP for healing, for family planning & women's

> health. This is the freedom the Church invites us too.

> Your body knows, you can too!

>

> I will be available in the Green Room at back of parish hall

> to offer materials, information for your own research and

> discuss your comments on this. I welcome them and you! I

> would very much expect opposing viewpoints. I will listen and

> want to hear your story. There is still hope and healing.**

> -- *

>

> *Therese , RN, FCP**

> **FertilityCare Practitioner*

>

*

www.potomacfertility.org

<

http://www.potomacfertility.org/>*

> * " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands " *

>

> * At this point, any woman can get the Pill for free if

> she has financial issues. Right here at our local Planned

> Parenthood in Montgomery Village. *

> *

>

> *

> --

> Therese , RN, FCP*

> *FertilityCare Practitioner

>

www.potomacfertility.org

<

http://www.potomacfertility.org/>

> " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "

>

>

>

>

> --

> Therese , RN, FCP*

> *FertilityCare Practitioner

>

www.potomacfertility.org

<

http://www.potomacfertility.org/>

> " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,I don't understand how you misinterpret my statement or Fr. McGovern's article if you have read it. Obviously contraception is considered sinful in the S. Scriptures; my point in response to Steve who took offense

at the fact that Fr. McGovern said the word " contraception " is not mentioned in Scripture was precisely that it is not mentioned verbatim, but it is clear in Scripture that sexual behavior that contradicts God's plan (for the good of his children) for marriage is wrong (evil). Fr. McGovern is very clear about that, and about children as God's blessing to married couples.

Fr.

 



I don't particularly enjoy taking exception to points made, but I can't let pass the comments made regarding the Onan account (without mentioning it by name).  Fr. noted: " Lastly, and briefly, when Fr. McGovern says that the Scriptures do not speak of contraception, I think he is correct, in as much as contraception today is generally understood. "   I think I understand what he means by " generally understood, " but I wonder if he and Fr. McGovern realize that a proponent of fertility awareness at one time was openly advocating oral sodomy during the fertile time.  Further, a survey a few years ago found that about half the teenagers were saying that had experienced " oral sex. "   Thus, I do not think we can limit our discussion of contraceptive behaviors to barriers and chemicals.  The Sin of Onan lives on in variations of withdrawal, masturbation--both mutual and solitary, and in marital sodomy--the same sterile anatomical practices of homosexuals but practiced by married heterosexuals. 

    I urge you to read my article " The Sin of Onan: Is It Relevant to Contraception " that appeared in Homiletic and Pastoral Review in May 2007 and is currently available at http://www.nfpandmore.org/2007%20May%20%20SIN%20OF%20ONAN.pdf .  I apologize for one mistaken expression.  In para. 3 of page 3, I wrote " brother of a childless widower " .  (I will get a corrected version posted in due time.)  It should read " brother-in-law of a childless widow " .  The Levirate-only interpretation cannot be sustained either by the text or by Tradition, but it still appears in footnotes in some " Catholic " bibles, but not the RSV/CE. 

Cordially,

Kippley

 

 

   

Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

 

Hello Steve and all,

When I write that some people (married couples) are not ready or open to more children, I am referring to couples who already have children, but whose faith and understanding is such that they do not see the possibility of having  more children. It takes a lot of faith and courage to have a large family. (I know because I am one of five, and my parents had seven and eight siblings each. We were very blessed). In these circumstances we can help people to have more trust in God, but we must respect their situation and personal decisions. NFP helps them to act without frustrating God's plan in marital relations, the gift of self with spousal and procreative meaning.

I will ask Fr. McGovern why he does not mention NFP but he does refer to it: " Those are considered ‘to exercise responsible parenthood who prudently and generously decide to have a large family, or who, for serious reasons and with due respect to the moral law, choose to have no more children for the time being or even for an indeterminate period’.[1] "

As much as we encourage people to appreciate the gift of children and to be open to more, we need to accept the reality that everyone's internal and external circumstances are different, and that with our knowledge today spouses can better know about their fertility and thus make decisions regarding children. For us who are Catholic, this is referred to in Humanae Vitae and other papal documents. See for ex. HV, 16; " If therefore there are well-grounded reasons for spacing births, arising from the physical or psychological condition of husband or wife, or from external circumstances, the Church teaches that married people may then take advantage of the natural cycles immanent in the reproductive system and engage in marital intercourse only during those times that are infertile, thus controlling birth in a way which does not in the least offend the moral principles which We have just explained. (20) "

In few words, NFP is not some minor evil. As much as childhood is a blessing, NFP rightly used can be morally good, a way of exercising parental responsibility (as child bearing can also be, though not necessarily). And millions of people need to use NFP (to take advantage of the natural cycles).

Lastly, and briefly, when Fr. McGovern says that the Scriptures do not speak of contraception, I think he is correct, in as much as contraception today is generally understood. In the same paragraph he notes the Scriptures speaks of the blessing of children, of infertility as a grave cross (and deprivation) and of the sin of onanism.

Fr.

[1]  Cf. Humanae vitae, 10.

 

Hello Fr , et al,You say that " many people are not ready for this  [openness to the blessings of children] " (see highlighted below).  I think that Fr McGovern's Chapter 9, which you attached, is a marvelous resource for engaging the task of helping couples overcome that lack of readiness to be open to the SUPREME gift of a child.  His pointing out the provision of God is something that we don't hear of.  Where is our trust in Him to satisfy all our needs?A very quick read of Fr McGovern's Chapter 9 finds no mention of Natural Family Planning.  My search for " natural " lit 8x, but none had to do with NFP.  Does he speak of NFP in another chapter, or does he not consider NFP central to the Church's teaching on chastity and married sexuality?  I appreciate that this list is composed of people who are strong advocates of NFP, and usually a particular form of NFP.  But, maybe our/your focus should be balanced.  By that I mean more strongly focused on God's plan in deference to Man's plan.  It's a 1st Great Commandment  focus vs a 2nd Great Commandment focus.I do object to Fr McGovern's contention that the Bible does not explicitly teach against contraception.  I would argue that God is a good grammarian, choosing to not use the double negative, " do not contra-cept " , but instead using the more beautiful positive language, " be fertile " , and then for emphasis, " multiply " , and re-emphasis, " fill the earth " .  To be more explicit in His desire for us doing our part in procreation would be beyond redundant.Blessings to all.Steve KoobONE MORE SOUL

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]



Father ,

I apologize for any misinterpretation on my part. I have not read the book by Fr. McGovern. All I had before me was the text I quoted. By "generally understood" I thought you meant what most folks talk about, that is, barriers and chemicals. For some reason I did not see your reference to onanism.

As you know, many Catholics deny that it refers to the sin of contraception, and that denial has found its way into the footnotes of the New American Bible and others.

That means that as soon as a person starts to read the NAB version of Genesis, he or she will read a footnote or reference giving a Levirate-only interpretation. That is both unfounded and definitely not helpful for the cause of Humanae Vitae. That footnote does not reflect the text but the prejudices of the people doing that work in the Sixties age of dissent. If you read my article you will get a feel for the seriously inadequate theology going on at that time -- and continuing to the present.

Kippley

Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

Hello Steve and all,

When I write that some people (married couples) are not ready or open to more children, I am referring to couples who already have children, but whose faith and understanding is such that they do not see the possibility of having more children. It takes a lot of faith and courage to have a large family. (I know because I am one of five, and my parents had seven and eight siblings each. We were very blessed). In these circumstances we can help people to have more trust in God, but we must respect their situation and personal decisions. NFP helps them to act without frustrating God's plan in marital relations, the gift of self with spousal and procreative meaning.

I will ask Fr. McGovern why he does not mention NFP but he does refer to it: "Those are considered ‘to exercise responsible parenthood who prudently and generously decide to have a large family, or who, for serious reasons and with due respect to the moral law, choose to have no more children for the time being or even for an indeterminate period’.[1]"

As much as we encourage people to appreciate the gift of children and to be open to more, we need to accept the reality that everyone's internal and external circumstances are different, and that with our knowledge today spouses can better know about their fertility and thus make decisions regarding children. For us who are Catholic, this is referred to in Humanae Vitae and other papal documents. See for ex. HV, 16; "If therefore there are well-grounded reasons for spacing births, arising from the physical or psychological condition of husband or wife, or from external circumstances, the Church teaches that married people may then take advantage of the natural cycles immanent in the reproductive system and engage in marital intercourse only during those times that are infertile, thus controlling birth in a way which does not in the least offend the moral principles which We have just explained. (20)"

In few words, NFP is not some minor evil. As much as childhood is a blessing, NFP rightly used can be morally good, a way of exercising parental responsibility (as child bearing can also be, though not necessarily). And millions of people need to use NFP (to take advantage of the natural cycles).

Lastly, and briefly, when Fr. McGovern says that the Scriptures do not speak of contraception, I think he is correct, in as much as contraception today is generally understood. In the same paragraph he notes the Scriptures speaks of the blessing of children, of infertility as a grave cross (and deprivation) and of the sin of onanism.

Fr.

[1] Cf. Humanae vitae, 10.

Hello Fr , et al,You say that "many people are not ready for this [openness to the blessings of children]" (see highlighted below). I think that Fr McGovern's Chapter 9, which you attached, is a marvelous resource for engaging the task of helping couples overcome that lack of readiness to be open to the SUPREME gift of a child. His pointing out the provision of God is something that we don't hear of. Where is our trust in Him to satisfy all our needs?A very quick read of Fr McGovern's Chapter 9 finds no mention of Natural Family Planning. My search for "natural" lit 8x, but none had to do with NFP. Does he speak of NFP in another chapter, or does he not consider NFP central to the Church's teaching on chastity and married sexuality? I appreciate that this list is composed of people who are strong advocates of NFP, and usually a particular form of NFP. But, maybe our/your focus should be balanced. By that I mean more strongly focused on God's plan in deference to Man's plan. It's a 1st Great Commandment focus vs a 2nd Great Commandment focus.I do object to Fr McGovern's contention that the Bible does not explicitly teach against contraception. I would argue that God is a good grammarian, choosing to not use the double negative, "do not contra-cept", but instead using the more beautiful positive language, "be fertile", and then for emphasis, "multiply", and re-emphasis, "fill the earth". To be more explicit in His desire for us doing our part in procreation would be beyond redundant.Blessings to all.Steve KoobONE MORE SOUL

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Agree 100% . It is a huge mistake to say that -- and no disrespect here to Dr. Billings whom I admired very much and think was a saint -- that we need no further improvements in technology in NFP. If we don't have the very best, and our "state of the art" achievements are all 40-plus years old, we won't be taken seriously even by those who otherwise might be of good will.

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

,

I think we are very close but perhaps differ as to who should make the decision. Granted, doctors are trained to make decisions

about medical problems. But when it comes to the decision about whether to use something as cheap and simple as well tested as a basal thermometer, I think that ordinary couples are capable of making that decision if they are given adequate information.

I think it is theologically amiss for the Church to align itself too closely with any particular method, and therefore it should be insisting that couples be given sufficient information so that the have the freedom of choice that is appropriate to ordinary

folks. The will cannot choose what the intellect has not considered.

Kippley

NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

Good afternoon!

I was asked by my pastor to draft an after Mass announcement I would make in person soon. What do you think of this? I think I have 2 minutes.

Good morning. As a nurse and women and couples' health advocate I ask for you to consider this: Religious freedom vs. contraceptives

We have until this August 2012, before Catholic churches and Catholic agencies will be forced in their insurance plans to cover

contraceptives free of charge to the insurance member. Do we have to take sides? Women or religion? Of course we know: religious freedom AND true women's health care for sure!

Truthfully many are caught in the middle and we think we have to choose because we've taken the Pill for planning purposes and teen or women's health. Consider this perspective: We can support our Church's religious freedom and it's teachings against

contraceptive use for family planning . We can support our Bishops and priests AND

embrace the Church's teachings by understanding it's practical help through Natural Methods of Fertility Awareness or NFP offered by local practitioners.

What would you say if you were told there was another effective, safe method which took care of both: family planning and women's

health without use of contraceptives at all? Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right in our very own locale, have turned with success to natural methods in conjunction with medical care for healing. This offers up to 80% success in a totally moral

manner where IVF fails.

There is no need for fear of religious freedom without the Pill. Pills have high doses of hormones, elevate the risk of blood

clots, strokes, heart attacks, weight gain, and has not ever been researched for its use for women's health. Fertility is a healthy state, no need to be reduced to a disease. The miracle of creating new life is stripped of its entire dual meanings : babies

and bonding in every marital embrace and turns it into a private "contact" sport. This is what drug free/ device free fertility awareness or natural family planning looks like:

99% effective 100% natural, underlying causes of women's physical and mental health revealed and healed without use of the Pill, private, and personalized couple centered learning....

You might not have thought much about religious freedom because you haven't lived under oppression.

You also might not have thought much about natural family planning or fertility awareness methods for teens, singles and married women for women's health because you thought it was ineffective or too much work or wasn't ever mentioned by your doctor as a viable

option. As a wife, mother and currently a Registered Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples who've taken a full Natural Family planning course and communicate with their doctor to manage all women's reproductive health issues, including depression and irregularities

of all kinds and family planning based on their private and personal daily fertility journal. Local, organic and sustainable to women's health and the power to create human life with God.

.. Natural family planning can help sustain your openness to life and love in your life. These are the 2 ends of our physical expression in our relationships whether married or not.

In harmony with nature and God's ways, you have the freedom to trust NFP for healing, for family planning & women's health. This is the freedom the Church invites us too. Your body knows, you can too!

I will be available in the Green Room at back of parish hall to offer materials, information for your own research and discuss your comments on this. I welcome them and you! I would very much expect opposing viewpoints. I will listen and want to hear your

story. There is still hope and healing.

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

At this point, any woman can get the Pill for free if she has financial issues. Right

here at our local Planned Parenthood in Montgomery Village.

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

[Guest guest]

,Thank you for your apology; I apologize for not being more clear in my earlier comment. I just read your good article " THE SIN OF ONAN: IS IT RELEVANT TO CONTRACEPTION? " and learnt from your explanations and arguments. You underline important points in the interpretation of Scripture and make a good exegesis of Gen 38 (and Dt. 25), in light of the text, context, tradition and earlier Magisterium. 

I have always considered this text an indication of the evil of contraception, but thank you for giving us a deeper understanding of this important text.   

Fr.

 



Father ,

    I apologize for any misinterpretation on my part.  I have not read the book by Fr. McGovern.  All I had before me was the text I quoted.  By " generally understood " I thought you meant what most folks talk about, that is, barriers and chemicals.  For some reason I did not see your reference to onanism.

   As you know, many Catholics deny that it refers to the sin of contraception, and that denial has found its way into the footnotes of the New American Bible and others.

  That means that as soon as a person starts to read the NAB version of Genesis, he or she will read a footnote or reference giving a Levirate-only interpretation.  That is both unfounded and definitely not helpful for the cause of Humanae Vitae.  That footnote does not reflect the text but the prejudices of the people doing that work in the Sixties age of dissent.  If you read my article you will get a feel for the seriously inadequate theology going on at that time -- and continuing to the present.

    Kippley

 

Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

 

Hello Steve and all,

When I write that some people (married couples) are not ready or open to more children, I am referring to couples who already have children, but whose faith and understanding is such that they do not see the possibility of having  more children. It takes a lot of faith and courage to have a large family. (I know because I am one of five, and my parents had seven and eight siblings each. We were very blessed). In these circumstances we can help people to have more trust in God, but we must respect their situation and personal decisions. NFP helps them to act without frustrating God's plan in marital relations, the gift of self with spousal and procreative meaning.

I will ask Fr. McGovern why he does not mention NFP but he does refer to it: " Those are considered ‘to exercise responsible parenthood who prudently and generously decide to have a large family, or who, for serious reasons and with due respect to the moral law, choose to have no more children for the time being or even for an indeterminate period’.[1] "

As much as we encourage people to appreciate the gift of children and to be open to more, we need to accept the reality that everyone's internal and external circumstances are different, and that with our knowledge today spouses can better know about their fertility and thus make decisions regarding children. For us who are Catholic, this is referred to in Humanae Vitae and other papal documents. See for ex. HV, 16; " If therefore there are well-grounded reasons for spacing births, arising from the physical or psychological condition of husband or wife, or from external circumstances, the Church teaches that married people may then take advantage of the natural cycles immanent in the reproductive system and engage in marital intercourse only during those times that are infertile, thus controlling birth in a way which does not in the least offend the moral principles which We have just explained. (20) "

In few words, NFP is not some minor evil. As much as childhood is a blessing, NFP rightly used can be morally good, a way of exercising parental responsibility (as child bearing can also be, though not necessarily). And millions of people need to use NFP (to take advantage of the natural cycles).

Lastly, and briefly, when Fr. McGovern says that the Scriptures do not speak of contraception, I think he is correct, in as much as contraception today is generally understood. In the same paragraph he notes the Scriptures speaks of the blessing of children, of infertility as a grave cross (and deprivation) and of the sin of onanism.

Fr.

[1]  Cf. Humanae vitae, 10.

 

Hello Fr , et al,You say that " many people are not ready for this  [openness to the blessings of children] " (see highlighted below).  I think that Fr McGovern's Chapter 9, which you attached, is a marvelous resource for engaging the task of helping couples overcome that lack of readiness to be open to the SUPREME gift of a child.  His pointing out the provision of God is something that we don't hear of.  Where is our trust in Him to satisfy all our needs?A very quick read of Fr McGovern's Chapter 9 finds no mention of Natural Family Planning.  My search for " natural " lit 8x, but none had to do with NFP.  Does he speak of NFP in another chapter, or does he not consider NFP central to the Church's teaching on chastity and married sexuality?  I appreciate that this list is composed of people who are strong advocates of NFP, and usually a particular form of NFP.  But, maybe our/your focus should be balanced.  By that I mean more strongly focused on God's plan in deference to Man's plan.  It's a 1st Great Commandment  focus vs a 2nd Great Commandment focus.I do object to Fr McGovern's contention that the Bible does not explicitly teach against contraception.  I would argue that God is a good grammarian, choosing to not use the double negative, " do not contra-cept " , but instead using the more beautiful positive language, " be fertile " , and then for emphasis, " multiply " , and re-emphasis, " fill the earth " .  To be more explicit in His desire for us doing our part in procreation would be beyond redundant.Blessings to all.Steve KoobONE MORE SOUL

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]



Father ,

Thanks for your kind comments. I admit that I am sensitive about the Onan account, and the reasons are spelled out in that article. If a pro-Humanae Vitae priest can be taken in by specious Levirate-only interpretations, how much more susceptible are those whose convictions about H.V. are weak at best.

-- K.

Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

Hello Steve and all,

When I write that some people (married couples) are not ready or open to more children, I am referring to couples who already have children, but whose faith and understanding is such that they do not see the possibility of having more children. It takes a lot of faith and courage to have a large family. (I know because I am one of five, and my parents had seven and eight siblings each. We were very blessed). In these circumstances we can help people to have more trust in God, but we must respect their situation and personal decisions. NFP helps them to act without frustrating God's plan in marital relations, the gift of self with spousal and procreative meaning.

I will ask Fr. McGovern why he does not mention NFP but he does refer to it: "Those are considered ‘to exercise responsible parenthood who prudently and generously decide to have a large family, or who, for serious reasons and with due respect to the moral law, choose to have no more children for the time being or even for an indeterminate period’.[1]"

As much as we encourage people to appreciate the gift of children and to be open to more, we need to accept the reality that everyone's internal and external circumstances are different, and that with our knowledge today spouses can better know about their fertility and thus make decisions regarding children. For us who are Catholic, this is referred to in Humanae Vitae and other papal documents. See for ex. HV, 16; "If therefore there are well-grounded reasons for spacing births, arising from the physical or psychological condition of husband or wife, or from external circumstances, the Church teaches that married people may then take advantage of the natural cycles immanent in the reproductive system and engage in marital intercourse only during those times that are infertile, thus controlling birth in a way which does not in the least offend the moral principles which We have just explained. (20)"

In few words, NFP is not some minor evil. As much as childhood is a blessing, NFP rightly used can be morally good, a way of exercising parental responsibility (as child bearing can also be, though not necessarily). And millions of people need to use NFP (to take advantage of the natural cycles).

Lastly, and briefly, when Fr. McGovern says that the Scriptures do not speak of contraception, I think he is correct, in as much as contraception today is generally understood. In the same paragraph he notes the Scriptures speaks of the blessing of children, of infertility as a grave cross (and deprivation) and of the sin of onanism.

Fr.

[1] Cf. Humanae vitae, 10.

Hello Fr , et al,You say that "many people are not ready for this [openness to the blessings of children]" (see highlighted below). I think that Fr McGovern's Chapter 9, which you attached, is a marvelous resource for engaging the task of helping couples overcome that lack of readiness to be open to the SUPREME gift of a child. His pointing out the provision of God is something that we don't hear of. Where is our trust in Him to satisfy all our needs?A very quick read of Fr McGovern's Chapter 9 finds no mention of Natural Family Planning. My search for "natural" lit 8x, but none had to do with NFP. Does he speak of NFP in another chapter, or does he not consider NFP central to the Church's teaching on chastity and married sexuality? I appreciate that this list is composed of people who are strong advocates of NFP, and usually a particular form of NFP. But, maybe our/your focus should be balanced. By that I mean more strongly focused on God's plan in deference to Man's plan. It's a 1st Great Commandment focus vs a 2nd Great Commandment focus.I do object to Fr McGovern's contention that the Bible does not explicitly teach against contraception. I would argue that God is a good grammarian, choosing to not use the double negative, "do not contra-cept", but instead using the more beautiful positive language, "be fertile", and then for emphasis, "multiply", and re-emphasis, "fill the earth". To be more explicit in His desire for us doing our part in procreation would be beyond redundant.Blessings to all.Steve KoobONE MORE SOUL

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Dr. Kippley's article is genius. PJB. To: nfpprofessionals From: jfkippley@...Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:49:53 -0400Subject: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? Father , Thanks for your kind comments. I admit that I am sensitive about the Onan account, and the reasons are spelled out in that article. If a pro-Humanae Vitae priest can be taken in by specious Levirate-only interpretations, how much more susceptible are those whose convictions about H.V. are weak at best. -- K. Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? Hello Steve and all,When I write that some people (married couples) are not ready or open to more children, I am referring to couples who already have children, but whose faith and understanding is such that they do not see the possibility of having more children. It takes a lot of faith and courage to have a large family. (I know because I am one of five, and my parents had seven and eight siblings each. We were very blessed). In these circumstances we can help people to have more trust in God, but we must respect their situation and personal decisions. NFP helps them to act without frustrating God's plan in marital relations, the gift of self with spousal and procreative meaning.I will ask Fr. McGovern why he does not mention NFP but he does refer to it: "Those are considered ‘to exercise responsible parenthood who prudently and generously decide to have a large family, or who, for serious reasons and with due respect to the moral law, choose to have no more children for the time being or even for an indeterminate period’.[1]"As much as we encourage people to appreciate the gift of children and to be open to more, we need to accept the reality that everyone's internal and external circumstances are different, and that with our knowledge today spouses can better know about their fertility and thus make decisions regarding children. For us who are Catholic, this is referred to in Humanae Vitae and other papal documents. See for ex. HV, 16; "If therefore there are well-grounded reasons for spacing births, arising from the physical or psychological condition of husband or wife, or from external circumstances, the Church teaches that married people may then take advantage of the natural cycles immanent in the reproductive system and engage in marital intercourse only during those times that are infertile, thus controlling birth in a way which does not in the least offend the moral principles which We have just explained. (20)"In few words, NFP is not some minor evil. As much as childhood is a blessing, NFP rightly used can be morally good, a way of exercising parental responsibility (as child bearing can also be, though not necessarily). And millions of people need to use NFP (to take advantage of the natural cycles).Lastly, and briefly, when Fr. McGovern says that the Scriptures do not speak of contraception, I think he is correct, in as much as contraception today is generally understood. In the same paragraph he notes the Scriptures speaks of the blessing of children, of infertility as a grave cross (and deprivation) and of the sin of onanism.Fr. [1] Cf. Humanae vitae, 10. Hello Fr , et al,You say that "many people are not ready for this [openness to the blessings of children]" (see highlighted below). I think that Fr McGovern's Chapter 9, which you attached, is a marvelous resource for engaging the task of helping couples overcome that lack of readiness to be open to the SUPREME gift of a child. His pointing out the provision of God is something that we don't hear of. Where is our trust in Him to satisfy all our needs?A very quick read of Fr McGovern's Chapter 9 finds no mention of Natural Family Planning. My search for "natural" lit 8x, but none had to do with NFP. Does he speak of NFP in another chapter, or does he not consider NFP central to the Church's teaching on chastity and married sexuality? I appreciate that this list is composed of people who are strong advocates of NFP, and usually a particular form of NFP. But, maybe our/your focus should be balanced. By that I mean more strongly focused on God's plan in deference to Man's plan. It's a 1st Great Commandment focus vs a 2nd Great Commandment focus.I do object to Fr McGovern's contention that the Bible does not explicitly teach against contraception. I would argue that God is a good grammarian, choosing to not use the double negative, "do not contra-cept", but instead using the more beautiful positive language, "be fertile", and then for emphasis, "multiply", and re-emphasis, "fill the earth". To be more explicit in His desire for us doing our part in procreation would be beyond redundant.Blessings to all.Steve KoobONE MORE SOUL-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Other thoughts: Re #4: The new Persona monitor currently only available in Spain (http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php) has a fertile window between 6 and 12 days. It uses the same algorithm as the old Persona monitor. From my experience the Persona algorithm is just slightly less conservative than the Marquette algorithm when using ClearBlue.Re #9: The addition of a PDG test would provide retrospective confirmation of ovulation and would be an excellent adjunct to NFP methods.

Bouchard, MDFamily Medicine ResidentUniversity of Calgary

Dominic: My comments: Right now available consumer based technology allows for: 1.

Markers of estrogen (E3G) rise – at two levels,2.

A significant rise in LH from Baseline – based on Eccochard’s work – I believe he indicates that this is one of the best predictors of pending ovulation,3.

Threshold indicators of the LH surge4.

I am not sure of the average days of fertility that the New persona monitor estimatesSee:

http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php 5.

I believe the Clearblue monitor has on average 5-6 days of fertility6.

Use of our algorithm with the monitor provides a 13 day average of fertility after the first 6 cycles of use7.

We probably can get that down to 11-12 days with less conservative “rules”8.

I am pretty confident in ovulation when it is preceded by a significant rise in E3G, followed by a significant rise from baseline of LH – followed

by a clear threshold of LH. 9.

Yes – it would be nice to get an accurate post-ovulatory urinary PdG test J. Fehring, PhD, RN, FAANProfessorMarquette University

From: . fpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of Dominic

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:31 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? interesting

Len, very interesting. any comment on that?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com,

veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles

and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

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Good morning. As a nurse and women and couples' health advocate I ask for you to consider this:  Religious freedom vs. contraceptives

We have until this August 2012, before Catholic churches and Catholic agencies will be forced in their insurance plans to cover contraceptives

free of charge to the insurance member.   Do we have to take sides?  Women or religion?    Of course we know: religious freedom AND true women's health care for sure!

Truthfully many are caught in the middle and we think we have to choose because we've taken the Pill for planning purposes and teen orÂ

women's health.     Consider this perspective: We can support our Church's religious freedom and it's teachings against contraceptive use for family planning .  We can support our Bishops and priests AND embrace the Church's

teachings by understanding it's practical help through Natural Methods of Fertility Awareness or NFP offered by local practitioners.Â

 What would you say if you were told there was another effective, safe method which took care of both: family planning and women's

health without use of contraceptives at all?      Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right in our very own locale, have turned with success to natural methods in conjunction with medical care for healing.  This offers up to 80% success in

a totally moral manner where IVF fails.  There is no need for fear of religious freedom without the Pill. Pills have high doses of hormones, elevate the risk of blood clots,

strokes, heart attacks, weight gain, and has not ever been researched for its use for women's health. Fertility is a healthy state, no need to be reduced to a disease.  The miracle of creating new life is stripped of its entire dual meanings : babies

and bonding in every marital embrace and turns it into a private "contact" sport. This is what drug free/ device free fertility awareness or natural family planning looks like:

99% effective 100% natural, underlying causes of women's physical and mental health revealed and healed without use of the Pill,Â

private, and personalized couple centered learning.... You might not have thought much about religious freedom because you haven't lived under oppression.

You also might not have thought much about natural family planning or fertility awareness methods for teens, singles and married women

for women's health because you thought it was ineffective or too much work or wasn't ever mentioned by your doctor as a viable option.  As a wife, mother and currently a Registered Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples who've taken a full Natural Family

planning course and communicate with their doctor to manage all women's reproductive health issues, including depression and irregularities of all kinds and family planning based on their private and personal daily fertility journal. Local, organic and

sustainable to women's health and the power to create human life with God.

.. Natural family planning can help sustain your openness to life and love in your life. These are the 2 ends of our physical expression

in our relationships whether married or not. In harmony with nature and God's ways, you have the freedom to trust NFP for healing,  for family planning & women's health. Â

 This is the freedom the Church invites us too.  Your body knows, you can too!I will be available in the Green Room at back of parish hall to offer materials, information for your own research and discuss your comments

on this. I welcome them and you! I would very much expect opposing viewpoints. I will listen and want to hear your story.  There is still hope and healing.

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

 At this point, any woman can get the Pill for free if she has financial issues. Right here at our local Planned Parenthood in Montgomery Village.

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

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--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

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Yes in principle.

With PdG a single value will give you the answer but with the BBT

you must have daily measurements and then if the BBT increase

following a mucus patch was small and lasted a single day it might

be difficult to interpret. However, I leave the BBT experts to

discuss this.

Len Blackwell

Wouldn't the elevation or non-elevation of the basal

temperature after a mucus patch accomplish the same thing?

Kippley

NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

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Good afternoon!

I was asked by my pastor to draft an

after Mass announcement I would make

in person soon. What do you think

of this? I think I have 2

minutes.Â

Good morning. As a nurse and

women and couples' health advocate I

ask for you to consider this:Â Â

Religious freedom vs. contraceptives

We have until this August 2012, before

Catholic churches and Catholic agencies

will be forced in their insurance plansÂ

to cover contraceptives free of charge to

the insurance member.   Do we have

to take sides?  Women or religion?Â

   Of course we know: religious

freedom AND true women's health

care for sure!

Truthfully many are caught in the middle

and we think we have to choose because

we've taken the Pill for planning purposes

and teen or women's health.   Â

 Consider this perspective: We

can support our Church's religious

freedom and it's teachings against

contraceptive use for family planningÂ

..  We can support our Bishops and

priests AND embrace the Church's

teachings by understanding it's practical

help through Natural Methods of Fertility

Awareness or NFP offered by local

practitioners.Â

 What would you say if you were told

there was another effective, safe method

which took care of both:Â family

planning and women's health without use of

contraceptives at all?     Â

Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right

in our very own locale, have turned with

success to natural methods in conjunction

with medical care for healing.  This

offers up to 80% success in a totally

moral manner where IVF fails.Â

 There is no need for fear of

religious freedom without the Pill.Â

Pills have high doses of hormones, elevate

the risk of blood clots, strokes, heart

attacks, weight gain, and has not ever

been researched for its use for women's

health. Fertility is a healthy state,

no need to be reduced to a disease. Â

The miracle of creating new life is

stripped of its entire dual meanings :Â

babies and bonding in every marital

embrace and turns it into a private

"contact" sport. This is what drug

free/ device free fertility awareness or

natural family planning looks like:

99% effective 100% natural,Â

underlying causes of women's physical

and mental health revealed and healed

without use of the Pill, private, and

personalized couple centered learning....

You might not have thought much about

religious freedom because you haven't

lived under oppression.

You also might not have thought much

about natural family planning or fertility

awareness methods for teens, singles and

married women for women's health because

you thought it was ineffective or too much

work or wasn't ever mentioned by your

doctor as a viable option.  As a

wife, mother and currently a Registered

Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples

who've taken a full Natural Family

planning course and communicate with their

doctor to manage all women's reproductive

health issues, including depression and

irregularities of all kinds and family

planning based on their private and

personal daily fertility journal.Â

Local, organic and sustainable to women's

health and the power to create human life

with God.

.. Natural family planning can help

sustain your openness to life and love in

your life. These are the 2 ends of our

physical expression in our relationships

whether married or not.

In harmony with nature and God's

ways, you have the freedom to trust NFP

for healing, Â for family planning &

women's health.   This is the

freedom the Church invites us too. Â

Your body knows, you can too!

I will be available in the Green Room at

back of parish hall to offer materials,

information for your own research and

discuss your comments on this. I

welcome them and you! I would very much

expect opposing viewpoints. I will

listen and want to hear your story. Â

There is still hope and healing.

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in

your hands"

 At this point, any woman can get

the Pill for free if she has financial

issues. Right here at our local

Planned Parenthood in Montgomery

Village.

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in

your hands"

Â

--

Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your fertility, in your

hands"

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's work is very important as he combines mucus with hormones

which I think is a valuable contribution to NFP..

Research is still needed. We use E1G and PdG to define the cycle

because a significant number of our cycles did not have an LH rise

or peak but were normal by all other criteria. Also many cycles had

multiple LH peaks some in the luteal phase. This has been observed

by others (eg. Alliende). We could only identify the LH peak

in these cycles by its relationship to the E1G and PdG profiles. I

am hoping to submit this work for publication in a week or two. The

manuscript is prepared.

A PdG test yes it is vital and coming.

Len

 

Dominic:

 

My comments:

 

Right now

available consumer based technology allows for:

 

1.      

Markers of

estrogen (E3G) rise – at two levels,

2.      

A significant

rise in LH from Baseline – based on Eccochard’s work –

I believe he indicates that this is one of the best

predictors of pending ovulation,

3.      

Threshold

indicators of the LH surge

4.      

I am not sure

of the average days of fertility that the New persona

monitor estimates

See: 

http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php

 

5.      

I believe the

Clearblue monitor has on average 5-6 days of fertility

6.      

Use of our

algorithm with the monitor provides a 13 day average

of fertility after the first 6 cycles of use

7.      

We probably

can get that down to 11-12 days with less conservative

“rulesâ€

8.      

I am pretty

confident in ovulation when it is preceded by a

significant rise in E3G, followed by a significant

rise from baseline of LH – followed by a clear

threshold of LH.

9.      

Yes – it would

be nice to get an accurate post-ovulatory urinary PdG

test

 

 

J.

Fehring, PhD, RN, FAAN

Professor

Marquette

University  

               

From: .

fpprofessionals

[mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of Dominic

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:31 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re: NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

 

interesting Len,

very interesting. any comment on that?

Sincerely

yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular

Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist,

Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant,

Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and

Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com,

veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

 

"...the

priestly ministry is not just a pastoral

service; it ensures the continuity of the

functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles

and the continuity of the powers related to

those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and

times therefore cannot abolish, on essential

points, the sacramental reference to

constitutive events of Christianity and to

Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

From: Len Blackwell

To: nfpprofessionals

<nfpprofessionals >;

nfpprofessionals

<nfpprofessionals >

Sent: Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:36 pm

Subject: Re: NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

 

I

should add that when using both E1G and

PdG testing long periods of unnecessary

abstinence are avoided because all E1G

peaks can be tested by PdG and if there is

no rise in PdG the follicle is

non-functional and Professor Brown's

continuum concepts can be applied.

It is also true that if there is no change

in parameters whatever they are there is

no ovarian activity.

Len

t 11:03 a.m. 27/04/2012,

wrote:

Speaking

as someone with extensive experience in

using Brown's ovarian hormone monitor, and

daily use of the Billings chart in

clinical practice, I cannot agree more

with Prof. Blackwell. What needs to be

added, IMHO, is that follicles which are

destined to become atretic produce a

non-changing pattern of vaginal discharge,

as these follicles are being suppressed by

an underlying metabolic issue, which I

have recently distilled down into the

following: hyperinsulinemia,

hyperprolactinemia, hypercortisolemia,

thyroid dysfunction and inflammation,

notably gluten intolerance. So while

indeed these days may trigger abstinence

behavior initially, the diagnostic

implications of non-progressing patterns

are immense, and couples can use

non-changing patterns, once recognized.

 

My next statement will stir a hornet's

nest, but it is the subjective nature of

interpretation which is at issue. For the

past 3 years, I have recommended the

following website to my patients:

www.billingsmentor.org.

The program removes user bias, the chart

does not need correction to be interpreted

by the clinician, and the website is

cost-free. I have yet to find an unplanned

pregnancy amongst my users.

  W. , M.D.,FACOG

Billings Center For Fertility and

Reproductive Medicine

 

Re: NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

 

 

,

    I think we are very close but

perhaps differ as to who should make the

decision.  Granted, doctors are trained

to make decisions about medical

problems.  But when it comes to the

decision about whether to use something as

cheap and simple as well tested as a basal

thermometer, I think that ordinary couples

are capable of making that decision if

they are given adequate information.  I

think it is theologically amiss for the

Church to align itself too closely with

any particular method, and therefore it

should be insisting that couples be given

sufficient information so that the have

the freedom of choice that is appropriate

to ordinary folks.  The will cannot

choose what the intellect has not

considered. 

 

Kippley

 

 

 

NFP from pulpit..help

with wording?

 

 

 

Good

afternoon!

I

was asked by my pastor to draft an after

Mass announcement I would make in person

soon.  What do you think of this?  I

think I have 2 minutes. 

Good

morning.  As a nurse and women and

couples' health advocate I ask for you to

consider this:   Religious freedom vs.

contraceptives

We

have until this August 2012, before

Catholic churches and Catholic agencies

will be forced in their insurance plans 

to cover contraceptives free of charge to

the insurance member.   Do we have

to take sides?   Women or religion? 

    Of course we know:  religious

freedom  AND  true women's health

care for sure!

Truthfully

many are caught in the middle and weÂ

think we have to choose because we've

taken the Pill for planning purposes and

teen or women's health.    Â

Consider this perspective:  We canÂ

support  our Church's religious freedom

and it's teachings against contraceptive

use for family planning .   We canÂ

support our Bishops and priests AND

embrace the Church's teachings by

understanding it's practical help through

Natural Methods of Fertility Awareness or

NFP offered by local practitioners. 

Â

What would you say if you were told

there was another effective, safe method

which took care of both:  family

planning and women's health without use of

contraceptives at all?      

Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right

in our very own locale, have turned with

success to natural methods in conjunction

with medical care for healing.   This

offers up to 80% success in a totally

moral manner where IVF fails.Â

Â

There is no need for fear of religious

freedom without the Pill.  Pills have

high doses of hormones, elevate the risk

of blood clots, strokes, heart attacks,

weight gain, and has not ever been

researched for its use for women's

health.  Fertility is a healthy state,

no need to be reduced to a disease.  

The miracle of creating new life is

stripped of its entire dual meanings : 

babies and bonding in every marital

embrace and turns it into a  private

"contact" sport.  This is what drug

free/ device free fertility awareness or

natural family planning looks like:

99%

effective 100% natural,  underlying

causes of  women's physical and mental

health revealed and healed without use of

the Pill,  private, and personalized

couple centered learning....

You

might not have thought much about

religious freedom because you haven't

lived under oppression.

You

also might not have thought much about

natural family planning or fertility

awareness methods for teens, singles and

married women for women's health because

you thought it was ineffective or too much

work or wasn't ever mentioned by your

doctor as a viable option.   As a

wife, mother and currently a Registered

Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples

who've taken a full Natural Family

planning course and communicate with their

doctor to manage all women's reproductive

health issues, including depression and

irregularities of all kinds and family

planning based on their private and

personal daily fertility journal. 

Local, organic and sustainable to women's

health and the power to create human life

with God.

..

Natural family planning can help sustain

your openness to life and love in your

life.  These are the 2 ends of our

physical expression in our relationships

whether married or not.

In

harmony with nature and God's ways,  you

have the freedom to trust NFP for healing,

 for family planning & women's

health.    This is the freedom the

Church invites us too.   Your body

knows, you can too!

I

will be available in the Green Room at

back of parish hall to offer materials,

information for your own research and

discuss your comments on this.  I

welcome them and you!  I would very much

expect opposing viewpoints.  I will

listen and want to hear your story.  

There is still hope and healing.

--

Therese

, RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

 

At this point, any woman can get the Pill

for free if she has financial issues. 

Right here at our local Planned Parenthood

in Montgomery Village.

--

Therese

, RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

 

--

Therese

, RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The PdG test is the only way to be sure that ovulation has occurred

- apart from ultrasound of course. The LH peak is not definitive and

if you read the Brown Continuum paper you will see why.

Len Blackwell

 

Other thoughts: 

Re #4: The new Persona monitor currently only available in

Spain (http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php)

has a fertile window between 6 and 12 days.  It uses the

same algorithm as the old Persona monitor. From my

experience the Persona algorithm is just slightly less

conservative than the Marquette algorithm when using

ClearBlue.

Re #9: The addition of a PDG test would provide

retrospective confirmation of ovulation and would be an

excellent adjunct to NFP methods.

Bouchard, MD

Family Medicine Resident

University of Calgary

On 2012-04-30, at 9:36 AM, Fehring,

wrote:

 

Dominic:

 

My comments:

 

Right now available consumer based

technology allows for:

 

1.      

Markers of

estrogen (E3G) rise – at two levels,

2.      

A significant

rise in LH from Baseline – based on

Eccochard’s work – I believe he indicates

that this is one of the best predictors of

pending ovulation,

3.      

Threshold

indicators of the LH surge

4.      

I am not sure

of the average days of fertility that the

New persona monitor estimates

See: 

http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php

 

5.      

I believe the

Clearblue monitor has on average 5-6 days

of fertility

6.      

Use of our

algorithm with the monitor provides a 13

day average of fertility after the first 6

cycles of use

7.      

We probably

can get that down to 11-12 days with less

conservative “rules”

8.      

I am pretty

confident in ovulation when it is preceded

by a significant rise in E3G, followed by

a significant rise from baseline of LH –

followed by a clear threshold of LH.

9.      

Yes – it

would be nice to get an accurate

post-ovulatory urinary PdG test

 

 

J. Fehring, PhD, RN, FAAN

Professor

Marquette University  

               

From: . fpprofessionals

[mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of Dominic

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:31

PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re: NFP

from pulpit..help with wording?

 

interesting

Len, very interesting. any comment

on that?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC,

ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist,

Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein

Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family

Planning Consultant, Family Planning

Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein

and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com,

veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein

Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

 

"...the priestly ministry

is not just a pastoral service; it

ensures the continuity of the

functions entrusted by Christ to the

Apostles and the continuity of the

powers related to those functions.

Adaptation to civilizations and

times therefore cannot abolish, on

essential points, the sacramental

reference to constitutive events of

Christianity and to Christ himself."

(Inter Insignores)

 

 

 

Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

 

 

,

    I think we are very

close but perhaps differ as to

who should make the

decision.  Granted, doctors

are trained to make decisions

about medical problems.  But

when it comes to the decision

about whether to use something

as cheap and simple as well

tested as a basal thermometer,

I think that ordinary couples

are capable of making that

decision if they are given

adequate information.  I

think it is theologically

amiss for the Church to align

itself too closely with any

particular method, and

therefore it should be

insisting that couples be

given sufficient information

so that the have the freedom

of choice that is appropriate

to ordinary folks.  The will

cannot choose what the

intellect has not

considered. 

 

Kippley

 

 

 

NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

 

 

 

Good afternoon!

I was asked by my pastor

to draft an after Mass

announcement I would make in

person soon.  What do you

think of this?  I think I

have 2 minutes. 

Good morning.  As a

nurse and women and couples'

health advocate I ask for you

to consider this:  

Religious freedom vs.

contraceptives

We have until this August

2012, before Catholic churches

and Catholic agencies will be

forced in their insurance

plans  to cover

contraceptives free of charge

to the insurance member. Â

 Do we have to take

sides?   Women or

religion?      Of

course we know:  religious

freedom  AND  true women's

health care for sure!

Truthfully many are

caught in the middle and weÂ

think we have to choose

because we've taken the Pill

for planning purposes and teen

or women's health.  Â

  Consider thisÂ

perspective:  We canÂ

support  our Church's

religious freedom and it's

teachings against

contraceptive use for family

planning .   We canÂ

support our Bishops and

priests AND embrace the

Church's teachings by

understanding it's practical

help through Natural Methods

of Fertility Awareness or NFP

offered by local

practitioners. 

 What would you say

if you were told there was

another effective, safe method

which took care of both: 

family planning and women's

health without use of

contraceptives at all?  Â

    Over 50 couples in

the past 2 years right in our

very own locale, have turned

with success to natural

methods in conjunction with

medical care for healing.Â

  This offers up to 80%

success in a totally moral

manner where IVF fails.Â

 There is no need for

fear of religious freedom

without the Pill.  Pills

have high doses of hormones,

elevate the risk of blood

clots, strokes, heart attacks,

weight gain, and has not

ever been researched for its

use for women's health. 

Fertility is a healthy state,

no need to be reduced to a

disease.   The miracle of

creating new life is stripped

of its entire dual meanings

:  babies and bonding in

every marital embrace and

turns it into a  private

"contact" sport.  This is

what drug free/ device free

fertility awareness or natural

family planning looks like:

99% effective 100%

natural,  underlying causes

of  women's physical and

mental health revealed and

healed without use of the

Pill,  private, and

personalized couple centered

learning....

You might not have

thought much about religious

freedom because you haven't

lived under oppression.

You also might not have

thought much about natural

family planning or fertility

awareness methods for teens,

singles and married women for

women's health because you

thought it was ineffective or

too much work or wasn't ever

mentioned by your doctor as a

viable option.   As a

wife, mother and currently a

Registered Nurse, I've talked

to over 150 couples who've

taken a full Natural Family

planning course and

communicate with their doctor

to manage all women's

reproductive health issues,

including depression and

irregularities of all kinds

and family planning based on

their private and personal

daily fertility journal. 

Local, organic and sustainable

to women's health and the

power to create human life

with God.

.. Natural family planning

can help sustain your openness

to life and love in your

life.  These are the 2 ends

of our physical expression in

our relationships whether

married or not.

In harmony with nature

and God's ways,  you have

the freedom to trust NFP for

healing, Â for family

planning & women's

health.    This is the

freedom the Church invites us

too.   Your body knows,

you can too!

I will be available in

the Green Room at back of

parish hall to offer

materials, information for

your own research and discuss

your comments on this.  I

welcome them and you!  I

would very much expect

opposing viewpoints.  I will

listen and want to hear your

story.   There is still

hope and healing.

--

Therese , RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your

fertility, in your hands"

  At this point, any

woman can get the Pill for

free if she has financial

issues.  Right here at our

local Planned Parenthood in

Montgomery Village.

--

Therese , RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your

fertility, in your hands"

 

--

Therese , RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles, your

fertility, in your hands"

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Not to be the skunk at the garden party,  but would you not get a +PdG with a LUF? Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Len BlackwellSent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:59 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Cc: BouchardSubject: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? The PdG test is the only way to be sure that ovulation has occurred - apart from ultrasound of course. The LH peak is not definitive and if you read the Brown Continuum paper you will see why.Len Blackwell Other thoughts: Re #4: The new Persona monitor currently only available in Spain (http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php) has a fertile window between 6 and 12 days. It uses the same algorithm as the old Persona monitor. From my experience the Persona algorithm is just slightly less conservative than the Marquette algorithm when using ClearBlue. Re #9: The addition of a PDG test would provide retrospective confirmation of ovulation and would be an excellent adjunct to NFP methods. Bouchard, MDFamily Medicine ResidentUniversity of Calgary Dominic: My comments: Right now available consumer based technology allows for: 1. Markers of estrogen (E3G) rise – at two levels, 2. A significant rise in LH from Baseline – based on Eccochard’s work – I believe he indicates that this is one of the best predictors of pending ovulation, 3. Threshold indicators of the LH surge 4. I am not sure of the average days of fertility that the New persona monitor estimates See: http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php 5. I believe the Clearblue monitor has on average 5-6 days of fertility 6. Use of our algorithm with the monitor provides a 13 day average of fertility after the first 6 cycles of use 7. We probably can get that down to 11-12 days with less conservative “rules” 8. I am pretty confident in ovulation when it is preceded by a significant rise in E3G, followed by a significant rise from baseline of LH – followed by a clear threshold of LH. 9. Yes – it would be nice to get an accurate post-ovulatory urinary PdG test J. Fehring, PhD, RN, FAAN Professor Marquette University From: . fpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of DominicSent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:31 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? interesting Len, very interesting. any comment on that? Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPhInterventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning ResearcherMedical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX)pedullad@... " ...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself. " (Inter Insignores) Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?   ,    I think we are very close but perhaps differ as to who should make the decision. Granted, doctors are trained to make decisions about medical problems. But when it comes to the decision about whether to use something as cheap and simple as well tested as a basal thermometer, I think that ordinary couples are capable of making that decision if they are given adequate information. I think it is theologically amiss for the Church to align itself too closely with any particular method, and therefore it should be insisting that couples be given sufficient information so that the have the freedom of choice that is appropriate to ordinary folks. The will cannot choose what the intellect has not considered.  Kippley    NFP from pulpit..help with wording?    Good afternoon! I was asked by my pastor to draft an after Mass announcement I would make in person soon. What do you think of this? I think I have 2 minutes. Good morning. As a nurse and women and couples' health advocate I ask for you to consider this:  Religious freedom vs. contraceptives We have until this August 2012, before Catholic churches and Catholic agencies will be forced in their insurance plans to cover contraceptives free of charge to the insurance member.   Do we have to take sides?  Women or religion?    Of course we know: religious freedom AND true women's health care for sure! Truthfully many are caught in the middle and we think we have to choose because we've taken the Pill for planning purposes and teen or women's health.     Consider this perspective: We can support our Church's religious freedom and it's teachings against contraceptive use for family planning .  We can support our Bishops and priests AND embrace the Church's teachings by understanding it's practical help through Natural Methods of Fertility Awareness or NFP offered by local practitioners.  What would you say if you were told there was another effective, safe method which took care of both: family planning and women's health without use of contraceptives at all?      Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right in our very own locale, have turned with success to natural methods in conjunction with medical care for healing.  This offers up to 80% success in a totally moral manner where IVF fails.  There is no need for fear of religious freedom without the Pill. Pills have high doses of hormones, elevate the risk of blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, weight gain, and has not ever been researched for its use for women's health. Fertility is a healthy state, no need to be reduced to a disease.  The miracle of creating new life is stripped of its entire dual meanings : babies and bonding in every marital embrace and turns it into a private " contact " sport. This is what drug free/ device free fertility awareness or natural family planning looks like: 99% effective 100% natural, underlying causes of women's physical and mental health revealed and healed without use of the Pill, private, and personalized couple centered learning.... You might not have thought much about religious freedom because you haven't lived under oppression. You also might not have thought much about natural family planning or fertility awareness methods for teens, singles and married women for women's health because you thought it was ineffective or too much work or wasn't ever mentioned by your doctor as a viable option.  As a wife, mother and currently a Registered Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples who've taken a full Natural Family planning course and communicate with their doctor to manage all women's reproductive health issues, including depression and irregularities of all kinds and family planning based on their private and personal daily fertility journal. Local, organic and sustainable to women's health and the power to create human life with God. . Natural family planning can help sustain your openness to life and love in your life. These are the 2 ends of our physical expression in our relationships whether married or not. In harmony with nature and God's ways, you have the freedom to trust NFP for healing,  for family planning & women's health.   This is the freedom the Church invites us too.  Your body knows, you can too! I will be available in the Green Room at back of parish hall to offer materials, information for your own research and discuss your comments on this. I welcome them and you! I would very much expect opposing viewpoints. I will listen and want to hear your story.  There is still hope and healing. -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "  At this point, any woman can get the Pill for free if she has financial issues. Right here at our local Planned Parenthood in Montgomery Village. -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "  -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "    Â

[Guest guest]

Yes indeed you do but as Jim showed this can be differentiated from

true ovulation by looking at the various PdG thresholds. Have you

seen his Continuum paper?

Len

Not to be the skunk at the garden party, but

would you not get a +PdG with a LUF?

Hanna Klaus

From:

nfpprofessionals

[mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On

Behalf Of Len Blackwell

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:59 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Cc: Bouchard

Subject: Re: NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

The PdG test is the only way to be sure that

ovulation has occurred - apart from ultrasound of

course. The LH peak is not definitive and if you

read the Brown Continuum paper you will see why.

Len Blackwell

Other thoughts:

Re #4: The new Persona monitor currently

only available in Spain (http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php)

has a fertile window between 6 and 12

days. It uses the same algorithm as the

old Persona monitor. From my experience

the Persona algorithm is just slightly

less conservative than the Marquette

algorithm when using ClearBlue.

Re #9: The addition of a PDG test

would provide retrospective

confirmation of ovulation and would be

an excellent adjunct to NFP methods.

Bouchard, MD

Family Medicine Resident

University of Calgary

On 2012-04-30, at 9:36 AM,

Fehring, wrote:

Dominic:

My comments:

Right now available consumer

based technology allows for:

1. Markers of estrogen

(E3G) rise – at two levels,

2. A significant rise

in LH from Baseline – based on

Eccochard’s work – I believe

he indicates that this is one

of the best predictors of

pending ovulation,

3. Threshold indicators

of the LH surge

4. I am not sure of the

average days of fertility that

the New persona monitor

estimates

See:

http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php

5. I believe the

Clearblue monitor has on

average 5-6 days of fertility

6. Use of our algorithm

with the monitor provides a 13

day average of fertility after

the first 6 cycles of use

7. We probably can get

that down to 11-12 days with

less conservative “rules”

8. I am pretty

confident in ovulation when it

is preceded by a significant

rise in E3G, followed by a

significant rise from baseline

of LH – followed by a clear

threshold of LH.

9. Yes – it would be

nice to get an accurate

post-ovulatory urinary PdG

test

J. Fehring, PhD, RN,

FAAN

Professor

Marquette University

From: . fpprofessionals

[mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of Dominic

Sent: Sunday, April 29,

2012 5:31 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

interesting Len, very

interesting. any

comment on that?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD,

FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional

Cardiologist, Endovascular

Diplomate, Varicose Vein

Specialist,

Noncontraceptive Family

Planning Consultant,

Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The

Oklahoma Vein and

Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com,

veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The

Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry

is not just a pastoral

service; it ensures the

continuity of the

functions entrusted by

Christ to the Apostles and

the continuity of the

powers related to those

functions. Adaptation to

civilizations and times

therefore cannot abolish,

on essential points, the

sacramental reference to

constitutive events of

Christianity and to Christ

himself." (Inter

Insignores)

NFP from

pulpit..help with

wording?

Â

Â

Â

Good afternoon!

I was asked by my

pastor to draft an

after Mass

announcement I

would make in

person soon.Â

What do you think

of this? I

think I have 2

minutes.Â

Good morning.Â

As a nurse and

women and couples'

health advocate I

ask for you to

consider this:Â

 Religious

freedom vs.

contraceptives

We have until

this August 2012,

before Catholic

churches and

Catholic agencies

will be forced in

their insurance

plans to cover

contraceptives

free of charge to

the insurance

member.   Do

we have to take

sides?  Women

or religion? Â

  Of course

we know:Â

religious

freedom ANDÂ

true women's

health care for

sure!

Truthfully many

are caught in the

middle and weÂ

think we have to

choose because

we've taken the

Pill for planning

purposes and teen

or women's

health.   Â

 Consider thisÂ

perspective:Â We

can supportÂ

our Church's

religious freedom

and it's

teachings against

contraceptive use

for family

planning . Â

We can support

our Bishops and

priests AND

embrace the

Church's teachings

by understanding

it's practical

help through

Natural Methods of

Fertility

Awareness or NFP

offered by local

practitioners.Â

 What wouldÂ

you say if you

were told there

was another

effective, safe

method which took

care of both:Â

family planning

and women's health

without use of

contraceptives at

all?    Â

 Over 50

couples in the

past 2 years right

in our very own

locale, have

turned with

success to natural

methods in

conjunction with

medical care for

healing. Â

This offers up to

80% success in aÂ

totally moral

manner where IVF

fails.Â

 There is no

need for fear of

religious freedom

without the

Pill. Pills

have high doses of

hormones, elevate

the risk of blood

clots, strokes,

heart attacks,

weight gain, andÂ

has not ever been

researched for its

use for women's

health.Â

Fertility is a

healthy state, no

need to be reduced

to a disease. Â

The miracle of

creating new life

is stripped of its

entire dual

meanings :Â

babies and bonding

in every marital

embrace and turns

it into aÂ

private "contact"

sport. This is

what drug free/

device free

fertility

awareness or

natural family

planning looks

like:

99% effective

100% natural,Â

underlying causes

of women's

physical and

mental health

revealed and

healed without use

of the Pill,Â

private, and

personalized

couple centered

learning....

You might not

have thought much

about religious

freedom because

you haven't lived

under oppression.

You also might

not have thought

much about natural

family planning or

fertility

awareness methods

for teens, singles

and married women

for women's health

because you

thought it was

ineffective or too

much work or

wasn't ever

mentioned by your

doctor as a viable

option.  As a

wife, mother and

currently a

Registered Nurse,

I've talked to

over 150 couples

who've taken a

full Natural

Family planning

course and

communicate with

their doctor to

manage all women's

reproductive

health issues,

including

depression and

irregularities of

all kinds and

family planning

based on their

private and

personal daily

fertility

journal. Local,

organic and

sustainable to

women's health and

the power to

create human life

with God.

.. Natural family

planning can help

sustain your

openness to life

and love in your

life. These are

the 2 ends of our

physical

expression in our

relationships

whether married or

not.

In harmony with

nature and God's

ways, you have

the freedom to

trust NFP for

healing, Â for

family planning

& women's

health.  Â

This is the

freedom the Church

invites us too.Â

 Your body

knows, you can

too!

I will be

available in the

Green Room at back

of parish hall to

offer materials,

information for

your own research

and discuss your

comments on

this. I welcome

them and you! I

would very much

expect opposing

viewpoints. I

will listen and

want to hear your

story.  There

is still hope and

healing.

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles,

your fertility,Â

in your hands"

 At this

point, any woman

can get the Pill

for free if she

has financial

issues. Right

here at our local

Planned Parenthood

in Montgomery

Village.

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles,

your fertility,Â

in your hands"

Â

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your cycles,

your fertility,Â

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[Guest guest]

I have, and apologize for asking a question off the top of my head rather than checking the Continuum for the answer… Hanna From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Len BlackwellSent: Monday, April 30, 2012 4:10 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Cc: Hanna KlausSubject: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? Yes indeed you do but as Jim showed this can be differentiated from true ovulation by looking at the various PdG thresholds. Have you seen his Continuum paper?Len Not to be the skunk at the garden party, but would you not get a +PdG with a LUF? Hanna Klaus From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Len BlackwellSent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:59 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Cc: BouchardSubject: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? The PdG test is the only way to be sure that ovulation has occurred - apart from ultrasound of course. The LH peak is not definitive and if you read the Brown Continuum paper you will see why.Len Blackwell Other thoughts: Re #4: The new Persona monitor currently only available in Spain (http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php) has a fertile window between 6 and 12 days. It uses the same algorithm as the old Persona monitor. From my experience the Persona algorithm is just slightly less conservative than the Marquette algorithm when using ClearBlue. Re #9: The addition of a PDG test would provide retrospective confirmation of ovulation and would be an excellent adjunct to NFP methods. Bouchard, MDFamily Medicine ResidentUniversity of Calgary Dominic: My comments: Right now available consumer based technology allows for: 1. Markers of estrogen (E3G) rise – at two levels, 2. A significant rise in LH from Baseline – based on Eccochard’s work – I believe he indicates that this is one of the best predictors of pending ovulation, 3. Threshold indicators of the LH surge 4. I am not sure of the average days of fertility that the New persona monitor estimates See: http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php 5. I believe the Clearblue monitor has on average 5-6 days of fertility 6. Use of our algorithm with the monitor provides a 13 day average of fertility after the first 6 cycles of use 7. We probably can get that down to 11-12 days with less conservative “rules” 8. I am pretty confident in ovulation when it is preceded by a significant rise in E3G, followed by a significant rise from baseline of LH – followed by a clear threshold of LH. 9. Yes – it would be nice to get an accurate post-ovulatory urinary PdG test J. Fehring, PhD, RN, FAAN Professor Marquette University From: . fpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of DominicSent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:31 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? interesting Len, very interesting. any comment on that? Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPhInterventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning ResearcherMedical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX)pedullad@... " ...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself. " (Inter Insignores) Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?   ,    I think we are very close but perhaps differ as to who should make the decision. Granted, doctors are trained to make decisions about medical problems. But when it comes to the decision about whether to use something as cheap and simple as well tested as a basal thermometer, I think that ordinary couples are capable of making that decision if they are given adequate information. I think it is theologically amiss for the Church to align itself too closely with any particular method, and therefore it should be insisting that couples be given sufficient information so that the have the freedom of choice that is appropriate to ordinary folks. The will cannot choose what the intellect has not considered.  Kippley    NFP from pulpit..help with wording?    Good afternoon! I was asked by my pastor to draft an after Mass announcement I would make in person soon. What do you think of this? I think I have 2 minutes. Good morning. As a nurse and women and couples' health advocate I ask for you to consider this:  Religious freedom vs. contraceptives We have until this August 2012, before Catholic churches and Catholic agencies will be forced in their insurance plans to cover contraceptives free of charge to the insurance member.   Do we have to take sides?  Women or religion?    Of course we know: religious freedom AND true women's health care for sure! Truthfully many are caught in the middle and we think we have to choose because we've taken the Pill for planning purposes and teen or women's health.     Consider this perspective: We can support our Church's religious freedom and it's teachings against contraceptive use for family planning .  We can support our Bishops and priests AND embrace the Church's teachings by understanding it's practical help through Natural Methods of Fertility Awareness or NFP offered by local practitioners.  What would you say if you were told there was another effective, safe method which took care of both: family planning and women's health without use of contraceptives at all?      Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right in our very own locale, have turned with success to natural methods in conjunction with medical care for healing.  This offers up to 80% success in a totally moral manner where IVF fails.  There is no need for fear of religious freedom without the Pill. Pills have high doses of hormones, elevate the risk of blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, weight gain, and has not ever been researched for its use for women's health. Fertility is a healthy state, no need to be reduced to a disease.  The miracle of creating new life is stripped of its entire dual meanings : babies and bonding in every marital embrace and turns it into a private " contact " sport. This is what drug free/ device free fertility awareness or natural family planning looks like: 99% effective 100% natural, underlying causes of women's physical and mental health revealed and healed without use of the Pill, private, and personalized couple centered learning.... You might not have thought much about religious freedom because you haven't lived under oppression. You also might not have thought much about natural family planning or fertility awareness methods for teens, singles and married women for women's health because you thought it was ineffective or too much work or wasn't ever mentioned by your doctor as a viable option.  As a wife, mother and currently a Registered Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples who've taken a full Natural Family planning course and communicate with their doctor to manage all women's reproductive health issues, including depression and irregularities of all kinds and family planning based on their private and personal daily fertility journal. Local, organic and sustainable to women's health and the power to create human life with God. . Natural family planning can help sustain your openness to life and love in your life. These are the 2 ends of our physical expression in our relationships whether married or not. In harmony with nature and God's ways, you have the freedom to trust NFP for healing,  for family planning & women's health.   This is the freedom the Church invites us too.  Your body knows, you can too! I will be available in the Green Room at back of parish hall to offer materials, information for your own research and discuss your comments on this. I welcome them and you! I would very much expect opposing viewpoints. I will listen and want to hear your story.  There is still hope and healing. -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "  At this point, any woman can get the Pill for free if she has financial issues. Right here at our local Planned Parenthood in Montgomery Village. -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "  -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "    Â

[Guest guest]

No need to apologise. It is an entirely fair question and there is

much about the use of Pd and PdG that is not common knowledge. One

of my aims is to rectify this by publishing as much as possible of

Jim's data.

Len

I have, and apologize for asking a question off

the top of my head rather than checking the Continuum

for the answer…

Hanna

From:

nfpprofessionals

[mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On

Behalf Of Len Blackwell

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 4:10 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Cc: Hanna Klaus

Subject: Re: NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

Yes indeed you do but as Jim showed this can be

differentiated from true ovulation by looking at

the various PdG thresholds. Have you seen his

Continuum paper?

Len

Not to be the skunk at the garden

party, but would you not get a +PdG

with a LUF?

Hanna Klaus

From: nfpprofessionals

[mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of Len Blackwell

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012

3:59 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Cc: Bouchard

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

The PdG test is the only way to

be sure that ovulation has

occurred - apart from ultrasound

of course. The LH peak is not

definitive and if you read the

Brown Continuum paper you will see

why.

Len Blackwell

On 1/05/2012 4:00 a.m.,

Bouchard wrote:

Other thoughts:

Re #4: The new Persona

monitor currently only

available in Spain (http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php)

has a fertile window

between 6 and 12 days. It

uses the same algorithm as

the old Persona monitor.

From my experience the

Persona algorithm is just

slightly less conservative

than the Marquette

algorithm when using

ClearBlue.

Re #9: The addition

of a PDG test would

provide retrospective

confirmation of

ovulation and would be

an excellent adjunct

to NFP methods.

Bouchard, MD

Family Medicine

Resident

University of

Calgary

On 2012-04-30, at

9:36 AM, Fehring,

wrote:

Dominic:

My comments:

Right now

available

consumer based

technology

allows for:

1.

Markers of

estrogen (E3G)

rise – at two

levels,

2. A

significant

rise in LH

from Baseline

– based on

Eccochard’s

work – I

believe he

indicates that

this is one of

the best

predictors of

pending

ovulation,

3.

Threshold

indicators of

the LH surge

4. I am

not sure of

the average

days of

fertility that

the New

persona

monitor

estimates

See:

http://www.clearblue.com/es/anticonceptivos/que-es-un-monitor-anticoncepcion.php

5. I

believe the

Clearblue

monitor has on

average 5-6

days of

fertility

6. Use

of our

algorithm with

the monitor

provides a 13

day average of

fertility

after the

first 6 cycles

of use

7. We

probably can

get that down

to 11-12 days

with less

conservative

“rules”

8. I am

pretty

confident in

ovulation when

it is preceded

by a

significant

rise in E3G,

followed by a

significant

rise from

baseline of LH

– followed by

a clear

threshold of

LH.

9. Yes

– it would be

nice to get an

accurate

post-ovulatory

urinary PdG

test

J.

Fehring, PhD,

RN, FAAN

Professor

Marquette

University

From:

.. fpprofessionals

[mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf

Of Dominic

Sent:

Sunday, April

29, 2012 5:31

PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject:

Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

interesting

Len, very

interesting.

any

comment on

that?

Sincerely

yours,

Dominic M.

Pedulla MD,

FACC, CNFPMC,

ABVM, ACPh

Interventional

Cardiologist,

Endovascular

Diplomate,

Varicose Vein

Specialist,

Noncontraceptive

Family

Planning

Consultant,

Family

Planning

Researcher

Medical

Director, The

Oklahoma Vein

and

Endovascular

Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive

Director, The

Edith Stein

Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the

priestly

ministry is

not just a

pastoral

service; it

ensures the

continuity of

the functions

entrusted by

Christ to the

Apostles and

the continuity

of the powers

related to

those

functions.

Adaptation to

civilizations

and times

therefore

cannot

abolish, on

essential

points, the

sacramental

reference to

constitutive

events of

Christianity

and to Christ

himself." (Inter

Insignores)

-----Original

Message-----

From: Len

Blackwell

To:

nfpprofessionals

<nfpprofessionals >;

nfpprofessionals

<nfpprofessionals >

Sent: Sun, Apr

29, 2012 4:36

pm

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

I should

add that when

using both E1G

and PdG

testing long

periods of

unnecessary

abstinence are

avoided

because all

E1G peaks can

be tested by

PdG and if

there is no

rise in PdG

the follicle

is

non-functional

and Professor

Brown's

continuum

concepts can

be applied.

It is also

true that if

there is no

change in

parameters

whatever they

are there is

no ovarian

activity.

Len

t 11:03 a.m.

27/04/2012,

wrote:

Speaking as

someone with

extensive

experience in

using Brown's

ovarian

hormone

monitor, and

daily use of

the Billings

chart in

clinical

practice, I

cannot agree

more with

Prof.

Blackwell.

What needs to

be added,

IMHO, is that

follicles

which are

destined to

become atretic

produce a

non-changing

pattern of

vaginal

discharge, as

these

follicles are

being

suppressed by

an underlying

metabolic

issue, which I

have recently

distilled down

into the

following:

hyperinsulinemia,

hyperprolactinemia,

hypercortisolemia,

thyroid

dysfunction

and

inflammation,

notably gluten

intolerance.

So while

indeed these

days may

trigger

abstinence

behavior

initially, the

diagnostic

implications

of

non-progressing

patterns are

immense, and

couples can

use

non-changing

patterns, once

recognized.

My next

statement will

stir a

hornet's nest,

but it is the

subjective

nature of

interpretation

which is at

issue. For the

past 3 years,

I have

recommended

the following

website to my

patients: www.billingsmentor.org.

The program

removes user

bias, the

chart does not

need

correction to

be interpreted

by the

clinician, and

the website is

cost-free. I

have yet to

find an

unplanned

pregnancy

amongst my

users.

W.

,

M.D.,FACOG

Billings

Center For

Fertility and

Reproductive

Medicine

-----Original

Message-----

From: Len

Blackwell

To:

nfpprofessionals

<nfpprofessionals >

Sent: Thu, Apr

26, 2012 5:45

pm

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Whoops make

that 80% of

their

reproductive

lives.

At 10:19 a.m.

27/04/2012,

you wrote:

Sorry to

hear about

Professor

Colombo's

passing. The

old guard are

disappearing.

Where is the

new guard?

There is no

doubt that a

simple method

for monitoring

urinary

ovarian

hormones

(estrone

glucuronide

and

pregnanediol

glucuronide)

can give a

fertile window

on average of

6 days.

However, we

have found as

have others

that early

estrogen peaks

occur in

30-40% of

cycles and are

common.

Currently

there is no

obvious

difference

between these

early

non-ovulatory

follicles and

the subsequent

ovulatory

follicle in

terms of

hormonal

characteristics.

Hence when

monitoring the

first E1G rise

which tells

you definitely

that a

follicle is

growing it is

necessary to

assume that

fertility has

started even

though

subsequently

it turns out

that this

follicle died

and was

replaced by

another

one. In

these cases

the hormonally

defined

fertile period

is

retrospectively

shown to be

too long in

agreement with

Professor

Colombos' data

basically.

We need

research to

determine

prospectively

when an early

follicle is

destined to

become atretic

rather than go

on to ovulate.

This would

reduce the

fertile window

to 6 days for

most people.

As has been

pointed out if

this is

possible then

it doesn't

make much

sense to take

hormone

preparations

for the rest

of the cycle.

Defining

the fertile

window

precisely will

be a game

changer.

Professor

Brown stated

somewhere that

women are

infertile for

about 60% of

their

reproductive

lives. The

vital question

is which 20%

is fertile.

If anyone has

$10 million

dollars for

this let me

know!

Len Blackwell

 On

27/04/2012

7:46 a.m.,

Dominic wrote:

Yes this

makes a very

good point

doesn't it

. On

average about

16 days of

abstinence for

"typical

Bilings"

pregnancy

avoidance is

required, and

at least half

of those days

are days of

fertility by

charting, but

actually

infertile days

biologically

(but there is

currently no

way to tell

which ones).

That is to say

the false

positive rate

for charting

based days off

fertility

would be about

50% on

average. It

works, but

wouldn't it be

great to get

the days of

abstinence

down much

closer to the

days of actual

biological

fertility? If

that were to

happen it

would reduce

the days of

abstinence, but

an even bigger

benefit would

be to make

contraceptive

use appear

entirely

unnecessary,

even

ludicrous, or

as evidence of

a fanatical

fertility

obsession, as

if pregnancy

were a kind of

ghost or

phantasm in

the

contraceptor's

mind. This in

turn would be

an

intellectual

shot in the

arm for the

Church.

But for this

we need major

investment in

research, in

order to find

more "local"

(more

specific)

biomarkers

that predict

fertility with

more

specificity

(we already

have

biomarkers

that have

sensitivity

approaching

100% for

fertility, so

we hardly miss

any fertile

days when done

right, but the

modern signs

also

over-estimate

it to a

degree, so

that the

"positive

predicitve

value" for

fertility is

still too low.

we could

benefit from

identifying

those

non-fertile

days currently

identified by

all modern

systems as

potentially

fertile days

).

Anyone have

$10 million

dollars to

give for this?

The

analysis of

the days of

abstinence

from Professor

Columbo:

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Sincerely

yours,

Dominic M.

Pedulla MD,

FACC, CNFPMC,

ABVM, ACPh

Interventional

Cardiologist,

Endovascular

Diplomate,

Varicose Vein

Specialist,

Noncontraceptive

Family

Planning

Consultant,

Family

Planning

Researcher

Medical

Director, The

Oklahoma Vein

and

Endovascular

Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive

Director, The

Edith Stein

Foundation ( www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the

priestly

ministry is

not just a

pastoral

service; it

ensures the

continuity of

the functions

entrusted by

Christ to the

Apostles and

the continuity

of the powers

related to

those

functions.

Adaptation to

civilizations

and times

therefore

cannot

abolish, on

essential

points, the

sacramental

reference to

constitutive

events of

Christianity

and to Christ

himself."

(Inter

Insignores)

-----Original

Message-----

From: Fehring,

To:

nfpprofessionals

<nfpprofessionals >

Sent: Thu, Apr

26, 2012 2:01

pm

Subject: RE:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

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of the days of

abstinence

from Professor

Columbo:

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From: nfpprofessionals

[ mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of

BOMA - USA

Sent:

Thursday,

April 26, 2012

1:05 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Why would a

couple have to

abstain for 15

days? If they

identify a

Basic

Infertile

Pattern then

they can use

alternate

evenings until

there is a

change and

then after

Peak, apply

the Peak Rule

starting on

the 4th day.Â

 But, again,

this is only

from a

Billings

Method

perspective.

Sue Ek

BOMA-USA

To: nfpprofessionals

From: rbamer2@...

Date: Wed, 25

Apr 2012

22:25:05 +0000

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Yes great

point and I am

not saying we

should add or

combine

METHODS

together, I am

pointing out

that perhaps

combining

multiple

fertility

indicators

could more

precisely

determine the

6 day fertile

window -- a

goal we should

ALL strive

for, right? I

mean if your

particular

method is 99

percent

efficacious in

avoiding

pregnancy, yet

the couple has

to abstain for

15 days, then

that's not

good either --

your

discontinuation

rate is going

to be high. In

His Peace,

rebecca

Sent via

BlackBerry by

AT & T

From: "Sheila

St. "

Sender: nfpprofessionals

Date: Wed, 25

Apr 2012

15:06:49 -0700

To: <

nfpprofessionals >

ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

And an

important

distinction,

between a

methodology,

whose

effectiveness

has been

studied, which

utilizes a

cross check

system of

multiple

signs, and

combining

methods. I

think people

need to be

cautioned

about

combining what

they might see

as the "best"

different

methods have

to offer, and

in effect

creating their

own method, so

that they

understand

they are not

necessarily

achieving

higher

effectiveness,

and in fact no

one could tell

them the

effectiveness

of their

unstudied,

self devised

method.

Â

Sheila St.

Executive

Director

California

Association of

Natural Family

Planning

www.canfp.org

1-877-33-CANFP

Â

From: nfpprofessionals

[ mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of rbamer2@...

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

2:20 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Efficacious,

sorry. The

european

multicenter

study of NFP

compared a

double check

method to a

single check

and found the

double check

more

effective.

Needs to be

studied more.

But

interesting

and exciting

and will lead

to more

collaboration...

Sent via

BlackBerry by

AT & T

From: "Sheila

St. "

Sender: nfpprofessionals

Date: Wed, 25

Apr 2012

13:20:18 -0700

To: <

nfpprofessionals >

ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

You state that

combining

these methods

increases

accuracy? Did

you really

mean that?Â

Â

Sheila St.

Executive

Director

California

Association of

Natural Family

Planning

www.canfp.org

1-877-33-CANFP

Â

From: nfpprofessionals

[ mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of

Bame

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

1:16 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

I think the

first 4

chapters of

Dr. Fehring's

Marquette

University

HEAL Online

Course for

Medical

Professionals

provide a

great history

of NFP and

explanation of

the different

methods

available.

Perhaps he

would let you

look at

these.Â

Basically

there are 5

basic methods:

(1) Calendar

rhythm, (2)

Basal Body

Temperature,

(3) the

Ovulation

Method,

(4)Symptothermal

methods, (5)

Hormonal

monitoring

methods.Â

Then you can

use different

combinations

of the above

to get "double

checks" for

the beginning

and end of the

fertile

window, to

increase

accuracy.

Â

Blessings,

Â

Dr.

Peck, MD, CCD,

AAFP,

Marquette NFP

Instructor

Pecks Family

Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada

Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach,

FLÂ 32174

(386)

677-2018Â

fax: (386)

676-0737 cell:

Â

From: nicole

varasteh

To: "

nfpprofessionals "

<

nfpprofessionals >

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

3:32 PM

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

Is there a

good

book/article

that

explains all

the current

methods to

some extent?

Â

Â

To: nfpprofessionals

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

1:25 PM

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

I totally

agree. Couples

can make the

decision if

they are

presented with

all the

options. Do

you think most

NFP

instructors

(doctors

included)

share all the

methods? No,

probably not.

But as time

goes by and

the couples

aren't either

doing well

with a method

or express

interest in

discontinuing,

it would at

least be worth

a try to give

them a list of

other methods

with brief

descriptions

so that

instead of

flying off to

sterilization-land

they might at

least try

another NFP

method. My

husband and I

didn't care

for the BBT

but we love

the monitor.

To each his

own! Vive la

difference!

Sent via

BlackBerry by

AT & T

From: "

Kippley"

Sender: nfpprofessionals

Date: Wed, 25

Apr 2012

13:12:13 -0400

To: <

nfpprofessionals >

ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

,

   I

think we are

very close but

perhaps differ

as to who

should make

the

decision.Â

Granted,

doctors are

trained to

make decisions

about medical

problems.Â

But when it

comes to the

decision about

whether to use

something as

cheap and

simple as well

tested as a

basal

thermometer, I

think that

ordinary

couples are

capable of

making that

decision if

they are given

adequate

information.Â

I think it is

theologically

amiss for the

Church to

align itself

too closely

with any

particular

method, and

therefore it

should be

insisting that

couples be

given

sufficient

information so

that the have

the freedom of

choice that is

appropriate to

ordinary

folks. The

will cannot

choose what

the intellect

has not

considered.Â

Â

Kippley

Â

Â

Â

----- Original

Message -----

From: Bame

To: nfpprofessionals

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

11:04 AM

Subject:

Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

Dear

and Theresa,

I agree

with 's

point about

keeping to the

topic of why

the

contraceptive/HHS

mandate is so

harmful to

women and

their

families. The

issues is so

broad, and so

confusing that

i think it is

really helpful

to limit the

scope to one

or two main

points so that

the laity are

not further

confused.Â

Â

I have a

close

relationship

with my Priest

at my parish.

He has let me

speak briefly

about NFP from

the pulpit,

and i have

kept it very

general -

about NFP/its

benefits -

especially

during NFP

awareness week

or during

appropriate

Church feast

days, for

example, the

Annunciation.Â

If it is after

the homily or

after

communion and

if it is 5

mins or less,

i think it is

appropriate.

Many Priests

(I would

daresay MOST)

do not know

the

intricacies of

NFP -- they

are not going

to preach on

something they

know so little

about. But if

we go to them

and offer to

speak, they

are much more

comfortable

saying yes --

if they trust

you and know

that you are

excellent in

your

profession and

that you are a

good Catholic

witness.

Â

All of our

methods have

their

place.Â

- in your

previous note,

you did not

even mention

urinary

hormonal

monitoring as

one of the

methods

(probably just

an oversight)

but my point

is that we

need to work

TOgether not

AGAINST each

other. All

of our methods

have their

place. The

world is a big

place. Some

people are

going to want

to have

fancy monitors

and smart

phone apps and

electronic

charting andÂ

others are

going to want

to keep it

simple and do

things totally

natural with

no "devices",

but isn't it

wonderful that

we have all

these

options?Â

The true

professional

is going to

initially

screen the

patient and

determine

which method

is really

appropriate

for that

couple,

instead of

just trying to

fit a round

peg into a

square

hole. As a

physician, if

i knew someone

couldn't

afford the

expense ofÂ

purchasing aÂ

fertility

monitor or

the monthly

test strips

for example, i

would refer

them to a less

expensiveÂ

method to

track their

fertility.

However, i

have had

people that

have used

symptom-based

NFP methods

for years, and

just felt more

comfortable

with the

objective data

from the

urinary

hormonal

measurements

that the

monitor gave

them. I have

had people,

who after

several

classes of

teaching on

cervical

mucus, just

did not feel

confident

about

assessing

this, and they

started using

the monitor as

a biofeedback

device to

learn whatÂ

was beginning

cervical mucus

and peak

mucus and then

they became

confident from

this process

and eventually

ended upÂ

using just

cervical mucus

observations

only. Â We

need to

respect and

promote each

other,

recognizing

that with this

approach, we

will lift

everyone up.

Â

I believe

that in the

next decade,

with the

continued

stream of data

showing

medical harm

from various

contraceptive

methods, we

could be

teaching tens

of thousands

of new couples

if we all

worked

together to

promote the

beauty of NFP

(and the

variety of

methods

currently

available).Â

Blessings,

Â

Dr.

Peck, MD, CCD,

AAFP,

Marquette NFP

Instructor

Pecks

Family

Practice, PLC

1688 W

Granada Blvd,

Ste 2A

Ormond

Beach, FLÂ

32174

(386)

677-2018Â

fax: (386)

676-0737 cell:

Â

From:

Kippley

To: nfpprofessionals

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

8:42 AM

Subject:

Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

I haveÂ

reservations

about the

proposed

pulpit

message.Â

Â

First of

all, the

public

political

debate is

about forcing

the Church and

its agencies

and members to

provide, via

mandatory

insurance,

free

contraception

to every Jack

and Jill who

requests

it. In

vitro

fertilization

has not been

part of the

discussion.Â

I am not

saying it is

unimportant

but only that

it has not

been

considered as

part of the

debate about

the Obama

birth control

mandate.Â

Â

Second, I

have

reservations

about laity

giving talks

from the

pulpit whether

during Mass or

afterwards.Â

I think the

pulpit is the

right and the

responsibility

of the priest

or deacon.Â

Â

Third, I

wonder if it

is appropriate

to have such a

talk focused

on a

particular

form of

fertility

awareness

instead of NFP

in general.Â

It comes

across as an

infomercial,

especially

when the

system

advocated is

1) secular by

design and 2)

limits itself

to the mucus

sign while

omitting the

regular

teaching of

the

crosschecking

cervix and

temperature

signs and

ecological

breastfeeding,

and 3) is

generally much

more expensive

and less

effective (for

postponing

pregnancy)

than those

systems that

teach the

crosschecking

signs and

eco-breastfeeding.Â

Â

Â

It seems to

me that when

Church

facilities are

used, they

should be used

primarily to

teach and

promote

Catholic

teaching.Â

When practical

help is

offered from

the pulpit and

other Church

venues, it

should be done

in the context

of offering

informed

freedom of

choice among

morally valid

options.Â

Â

Cordially,

Kippley, April

25, 2012

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

-----

Original

Message -----

From: Therese

To: nfpprofessionals

Sent:

Tuesday, April

24, 2012 5:37

PM

Subject:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

Â

Good

afternoon!

I was asked

by my pastor

to draft an

after Mass

announcement I

would make in

person

soon. What

do you think

of this? I

think I have 2

minutes.Â

Good

morning. As

a nurse and

women and

couples'

health

advocate I ask

for you to

consider

this:Â Â

Religious

freedom vs.

contraceptives

We have

until this

August 2012,

before

Catholic

churches and

Catholic

agencies will

be forced in

their

insurance

plans to

cover

contraceptives

free of charge

to the

insurance

member. Â

 Do we have

to take

sides? Â

Women or

religion?Â

   Of

course we

know:Â

religious

freedomÂ

ANDÂ true

women's health

care for

sure!

Truthfully

many are

caught in the

middle and

we think we

have to choose

because we've

taken the Pill

for planning

purposes and

teen orÂ

women's

health. Â

  Â

Consider

thisÂ

perspective:Â

We canÂ

support our

Church's

religious

freedom andÂ

it's teachings

against

contraceptive

use for family

planning .Â

 We canÂ

support our

Bishops and

priests AND

embrace the

Church's

teachings by

understanding

it's practical

help through

Natural

Methods of

Fertility

Awareness or

NFP offered by

local

practitioners.Â

 What

would you

say if you

were told

there was

another

effective,

safe method

which took

care of

both:Â

family

planning and

women's health

without use of

contraceptives

at all? Â

   Â

Over 50

couples in the

past 2 years

right in our

very own

locale, have

turned with

success to

natural

methods in

conjunction

with medical

care for

healing. Â

This offers up

to 80% success

in a totally

moral mannerÂ

where IVF

fails.Â

 There is

no need for

fear of

religious

freedom

without the

Pill. Pills

have high

doses of

hormones,

elevate the

risk of blood

clots,

strokes, heart

attacks,

weight gain,

and has not

ever been

researched for

its use for

women's

health.Â

Fertility is a

healthy state,

no need to be

reduced to a

disease. Â

The miracle of

creating new

life is

stripped of

its entire

dual meanings

:Â babies

and bonding in

every marital

embrace and

turns it into

a private

"contact"

sport. This

is what drug

free/ device

free fertility

awareness or

natural family

planningÂ

looks like:

99%

effective 100%

natural,Â

underlying

causes ofÂ

women's

physical and

mental health

revealed and

healed without

use of the

Pill,Â

private, and

personalized

couple

centered

learning....

You might

not have

thought much

about

religious

freedom

because you

haven't lived

under

oppression.

You also

might not have

thought much

about natural

family

planning or

fertility

awareness

methods for

teens, singles

and married

women for

women's health

because you

thought it was

ineffective or

too much work

or wasn't ever

mentioned by

your doctor as

a viable

option. Â

As a wife,

mother and

currently a

Registered

Nurse, I've

talked to over

150 couples

who've taken a

full Natural

Family

planning

course and

communicate

with their

doctor to

manage all

women's

reproductive

health issues,

including

depression and

irregularities

of all kinds

and family

planning based

on their

private and

personal daily

fertility

journal.Â

Local, organic

and

sustainable to

women's health

and the power

to create

human life

with God.

.. Natural

family

planning can

help sustain

your openness

to life and

love in your

life. These

are the 2 ends

of our

physical

expression in

our

relationships

whether

married or

not.

In harmony

with nature

and God's

ways, you

have the

freedom to

trust NFP for

healing, Â

for family

planning &

women's

health. Â

 This is

the freedom

the Church

invites us

too. Â

Your body

knows, you can

too!

I will be

available in

the Green Room

at back of

parish hall to

offer

materials,

information

for your own

research and

discuss your

comments on

this. I

welcome them

and you! I

would very

much expect

opposing

viewpoints.Â

I will listen

and want to

hear your

story. Â

There is still

hope and

healing.

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your

fertility,Â

in your hands"

 At this

point, any

woman can get

the Pill for

free if she

has financial

issues.Â

Right here at

our local

Planned

Parenthood in

Montgomery

Village.

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your

fertility,Â

in your hands"

Â

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your

fertility,Â

in your hands"

Â

Â

Â

Â

There is no

doubt that a

simple method

for monitoring

urinary

ovarian

hormones

(estrone

glucuronide

and

pregnanediol

glucuronide)

can give a

fertile window

on average of

6 days.

However, we

have found as

have others

that early

estrogen peaks

occur in

30-40% of

cycles and are

common.

Currently

there is no

obvious

difference

between the

early

non-ovulatory

follicles and

the ovulatory

follicle in

terms of

hormonal

characteristics.

Hence when

monitoring the

first E1G rise

which tells

you definitely

that a

follicle is

growing it is

necessary to

assume that

fertility has

started even

though

subsequently

it turns out

that this

follicle died

and was

replaced by

another

one. In

these cases

the hormonally

defined

fertile period

is

retrospectively

shown to be

too long. The

question of

how well the

E1G rises

correlate with

the mucus

symptom is

something we

hope to

publish soon.

We need

research to

determine

prospectively

that a

follicle is

destined to

become atretic

rather than go

on to ovulate.

This would

reduce the

fertile window

to 6 days for

most people.

As has been

pointed out if

this is

possible then

it doesn't

make much

sense to take

hormone

preparations

for the rest

of the

cycle.Defining

the fertile

window

precisely will

be a game

changer.

if anyone has

$10 million d

 On

27/04/2012

7:46 a.m.,

Dominic wrote:

Yes this

makes a very

good point

doesn't it

. On

average about

16 days of

abstinence for

"typical

Bilings"

pregnancy

avoidance is

required, and

at least half

of those days

are days of

fertility by

charting, but

actually

infertile days

biologically

(but there is

currently no

way to tell

which ones).

That is to say

the false

positive rate

for charting

based days off

fertility

would be about

50% on

average. It

works, but

wouldn't it be

great to get

the days of

abstinence

down much

closer to the

days of actual

biological

fertility? If

that were to

happen it

would reduce

the days of

abstinence,

but an even

bigger benefit

would be to

make

contraceptive

use appear

entirely

unnecessary,

even

ludicrous, or

as evidence of

a fanatical

fertility

obsession, as

if pregnancy

were a kind of

ghost or

phantasm in

the

contraceptor's

mind. This in

turn would be

an

intellectual

shot in the

arm for the

Church.

But for this

we need major

investment in

research, in

order to find

more "local"

(more

specific)

biomarkers

that predict

fertility with

more

specificity

(we already

have

biomarkers

that have

sensitivity

approaching

100% for

fertility, so

we hardly miss

any fertile

days when done

right, but the

modern signs

also

over-estimate

it to a

degree, so

that the

"positive

predicitve

value" for

fertility is

still too low.

we could

benefit from

identifying

those

non-fertile

days currently

identified by

all modern

systems as

potentially

fertile days

).

Anyone have

$10 million

dollars to

give for this?

The

analysis of

the days of

abstinence

from Professor

Columbo:

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Sincerely

yours,

Dominic M.

Pedulla MD,

FACC, CNFPMC,

ABVM, ACPh

Interventional

Cardiologist,

Endovascular

Diplomate,

Varicose Vein

Specialist,

Noncontraceptive

Family

Planning

Consultant,

Family

Planning

Researcher

Medical

Director, The

Oklahoma Vein

and

Endovascular

Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive

Director, The

Edith Stein

Foundation ( www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the

priestly

ministry is

not just a

pastoral

service; it

ensures the

continuity of

the functions

entrusted by

Christ to the

Apostles and

the continuity

of the powers

related to

those

functions.

Adaptation to

civilizations

and times

therefore

cannot

abolish, on

essential

points, the

sacramental

reference to

constitutive

events of

Christianity

and to Christ

himself."

(Inter

Insignores)

-----Original

Message-----

From: Fehring,

To:

nfpprofessionals

<nfpprofessionals >

Sent: Thu, Apr

26, 2012 2:01

pm

Subject: RE:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

The analysis

of the days of

abstinence

from Professor

Columbo:

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

From: nfpprofessionals

[ mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of

BOMA - USA

Sent:

Thursday,

April 26, 2012

1:05 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Why would a

couple have to

abstain for 15

days? If they

identify a

Basic

Infertile

Pattern then

they can use

alternate

evenings until

there is a

change and

then after

Peak, apply

the Peak Rule

starting on

the 4th day.Â

 But, again,

this is only

from a

Billings

Method

perspective.

Sue Ek

BOMA-USA

To: nfpprofessionals

From: rbamer2@...

Date: Wed, 25

Apr 2012

22:25:05 +0000

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Yes great

point and I am

not saying we

should add or

combine

METHODS

together, I am

pointing out

that perhaps

combining

multiple

fertility

indicators

could more

precisely

determine the

6 day fertile

window -- a

goal we should

ALL strive

for, right? I

mean if your

particular

method is 99

percent

efficacious in

avoiding

pregnancy, yet

the couple has

to abstain for

15 days, then

that's not

good either --

your

discontinuation

rate is going

to be high. In

His Peace,

rebecca

Sent via

BlackBerry by

AT & T

From: "Sheila

St. "

Sender: nfpprofessionals

Date: Wed, 25

Apr 2012

15:06:49 -0700

To: <

nfpprofessionals >

ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

And an

important

distinction,

between a

methodology,

whose

effectiveness

has been

studied, which

utilizes a

cross check

system of

multiple

signs, and

combining

methods. I

think people

need to be

cautioned

about

combining what

they might see

as the "best"

different

methods have

to offer, and

in effect

creating their

own method, so

that they

understand

they are not

necessarily

achieving

higher

effectiveness,

and in fact no

one could tell

them the

effectiveness

of their

unstudied,

self devised

method.

Â

Sheila St.

Executive

Director

California

Association of

Natural Family

Planning

www.canfp.org

1-877-33-CANFP

Â

From: nfpprofessionals

[ mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of rbamer2@...

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

2:20 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Efficacious,

sorry. The

european

multicenter

study of NFP

compared a

double check

method to a

single check

and found the

double check

more

effective.

Needs to be

studied more.

But

interesting

and exciting

and will lead

to more

collaboration...

Sent via

BlackBerry by

AT & T

From: "Sheila

St. "

Sender: nfpprofessionals

Date: Wed, 25

Apr 2012

13:20:18 -0700

To: <

nfpprofessionals >

ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

You state that

combining

these methods

increases

accuracy? Did

you really

mean that?Â

Â

Sheila St.

Executive

Director

California

Association of

Natural Family

Planning

www.canfp.org

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From: nfpprofessionals

[ mailto:nfpprofessionals ]

On Behalf Of

Bame

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

1:16 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

I think the

first 4

chapters of

Dr. Fehring's

Marquette

University

HEAL Online

Course for

Medical

Professionals

provide a

great history

of NFP and

explanation of

the different

methods

available.

Perhaps he

would let you

look at

these.Â

Basically

there are 5

basic methods:

(1) Calendar

rhythm, (2)

Basal Body

Temperature,

(3) the

Ovulation

Method,

(4)Symptothermal

methods, (5)

Hormonal

monitoring

methods.Â

Then you can

use different

combinations

of the above

to get "double

checks" for

the beginning

and end of the

fertile

window, to

increase

accuracy.

Â

Blessings,

Â

Dr.

Peck, MD, CCD,

AAFP,

Marquette NFP

Instructor

Pecks Family

Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada

Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach,

FLÂ 32174

(386)

677-2018Â

fax: (386)

676-0737 cell:

Â

From: nicole

varasteh

To: "

nfpprofessionals "

<

nfpprofessionals >

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

3:32 PM

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

Is there a

good

book/article

that

explains all

the current

methods to

some extent?

Â

Â

To: nfpprofessionals

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

1:25 PM

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

I totally

agree. Couples

can make the

decision if

they are

presented with

all the

options. Do

you think most

NFP

instructors

(doctors

included)

share all the

methods? No,

probably not.

But as time

goes by and

the couples

aren't either

doing well

with a method

or express

interest in

discontinuing,

it would at

least be worth

a try to give

them a list of

other methods

with brief

descriptions

so that

instead of

flying off to

sterilization-land

they might at

least try

another NFP

method. My

husband and I

didn't care

for the BBT

but we love

the monitor.

To each his

own! Vive la

difference!

Sent via

BlackBerry by

AT & T

From: "

Kippley"

Sender: nfpprofessionals

Date: Wed, 25

Apr 2012

13:12:13 -0400

To: <

nfpprofessionals >

ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

,

   I

think we are

very close but

perhaps differ

as to who

should make

the

decision.Â

Granted,

doctors are

trained to

make decisions

about medical

problems.Â

But when it

comes to the

decision about

whether to use

something as

cheap and

simple as well

tested as a

basal

thermometer, I

think that

ordinary

couples are

capable of

making that

decision if

they are given

adequate

information.Â

I think it is

theologically

amiss for the

Church to

align itself

too closely

with any

particular

method, and

therefore it

should be

insisting that

couples be

given

sufficient

information so

that the have

the freedom of

choice that is

appropriate to

ordinary

folks. The

will cannot

choose what

the intellect

has not

considered.Â

Â

Kippley

Â

Â

Â

----- Original

Message -----

From: Bame

To: nfpprofessionals

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

11:04 AM

Subject:

Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

Dear

and Theresa,

I agree

with 's

point about

keeping to the

topic of why

the

contraceptive/HHS

mandate is so

harmful to

women and

their

families. The

issues is so

broad, and so

confusing that

i think it is

really helpful

to limit the

scope to one

or two main

points so that

the laity are

not further

confused.Â

Â

I have a

close

relationship

with my Priest

at my parish.

He has let me

speak briefly

about NFP from

the pulpit,

and i have

kept it very

general -

about NFP/its

benefits -

especially

during NFP

awareness week

or during

appropriate

Church feast

days, for

example, the

Annunciation.Â

If it is after

the homily or

after

communion and

if it is 5

mins or less,

i think it is

appropriate.

Many Priests

(I would

daresay MOST)

do not know

the

intricacies of

NFP -- they

are not going

to preach on

something they

know so little

about. But if

we go to them

and offer to

speak, they

are much more

comfortable

saying yes --

if they trust

you and know

that you are

excellent in

your

profession and

that you are a

good Catholic

witness.

Â

All of our

methods have

their

place.Â

- in your

previous note,

you did not

even mention

urinary

hormonal

monitoring as

one of the

methods

(probably just

an oversight)

but my point

is that we

need to work

TOgether not

AGAINST each

other. All

of our methods

have their

place. The

world is a big

place. Some

people are

going to want

to have

fancy monitors

and smart

phone apps and

electronic

charting andÂ

others are

going to want

to keep it

simple and do

things totally

natural with

no "devices",

but isn't it

wonderful that

we have all

these

options?Â

The true

professional

is going to

initially

screen the

patient and

determine

which method

is really

appropriate

for that

couple,

instead of

just trying to

fit a round

peg into a

square

hole. As a

physician, if

i knew someone

couldn't

afford the

expense ofÂ

purchasing aÂ

fertility

monitor or

the monthly

test strips

for example, i

would refer

them to a less

expensiveÂ

method to

track their

fertility.

However, i

have had

people that

have used

symptom-based

NFP methods

for years, and

just felt more

comfortable

with the

objective data

from the

urinary

hormonal

measurements

that the

monitor gave

them. I have

had people,

who after

several

classes of

teaching on

cervical

mucus, just

did not feel

confident

about

assessing

this, and they

started using

the monitor as

a biofeedback

device to

learn whatÂ

was beginning

cervical mucus

and peak

mucus and then

they became

confident from

this process

and eventually

ended upÂ

using just

cervical mucus

observations

only. Â We

need to

respect and

promote each

other,

recognizing

that with this

approach, we

will lift

everyone up.

Â

I believe

that in the

next decade,

with the

continued

stream of data

showing

medical harm

from various

contraceptive

methods, we

could be

teaching tens

of thousands

of new couples

if we all

worked

together to

promote the

beauty of NFP

(and the

variety of

methods

currently

available).Â

Blessings,

Â

Dr.

Peck, MD, CCD,

AAFP,

Marquette NFP

Instructor

Pecks

Family

Practice, PLC

1688 W

Granada Blvd,

Ste 2A

Ormond

Beach, FLÂ

32174

(386)

677-2018Â

fax: (386)

676-0737 cell:

Â

From:

Kippley

To: nfpprofessionals

Sent:

Wednesday,

April 25, 2012

8:42 AM

Subject:

Re:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

I haveÂ

reservations

about the

proposed

pulpit

message.Â

Â

First of

all, the

public

political

debate is

about forcing

the Church and

its agencies

and members to

provide, via

mandatory

insurance,

free

contraception

to every Jack

and Jill who

requests

it. In

vitro

fertilization

has not been

part of the

discussion.Â

I am not

saying it is

unimportant

but only that

it has not

been

considered as

part of the

debate about

the Obama

birth control

mandate.Â

Â

Second, I

have

reservations

about laity

giving talks

from the

pulpit whether

during Mass or

afterwards.Â

I think the

pulpit is the

right and the

responsibility

of the priest

or deacon.Â

Â

Third, I

wonder if it

is appropriate

to have such a

talk focused

on a

particular

form of

fertility

awareness

instead of NFP

in general.Â

It comes

across as an

infomercial,

especially

when the

system

advocated is

1) secular by

design and 2)

limits itself

to the mucus

sign while

omitting the

regular

teaching of

the

crosschecking

cervix and

temperature

signs and

ecological

breastfeeding,

and 3) is

generally much

more expensive

and less

effective (for

postponing

pregnancy)

than those

systems that

teach the

crosschecking

signs and

eco-breastfeeding.Â

Â

Â

It seems to

me that when

Church

facilities are

used, they

should be used

primarily to

teach and

promote

Catholic

teaching.Â

When practical

help is

offered from

the pulpit and

other Church

venues, it

should be done

in the context

of offering

informed

freedom of

choice among

morally valid

options.Â

Â

Cordially,

Kippley, April

25, 2012

Â

Â

Â

Â

Â

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-----

Original

Message -----

From: Therese

To: nfpprofessionals

Sent:

Tuesday, April

24, 2012 5:37

PM

Subject:

NFP from

pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

Â

Good

afternoon!

I was asked

by my pastor

to draft an

after Mass

announcement I

would make in

person

soon. What

do you think

of this? I

think I have 2

minutes.Â

Good

morning. As

a nurse and

women and

couples'

health

advocate I ask

for you to

consider

this:Â Â

Religious

freedom vs.

contraceptives

We have

until this

August 2012,

before

Catholic

churches and

Catholic

agencies will

be forced in

their

insurance

plans to

cover

contraceptives

free of charge

to the

insurance

member. Â

 Do we have

to take

sides? Â

Women or

religion?Â

   Of

course we

know:Â

religious

freedomÂ

ANDÂ true

women's health

care for

sure!

Truthfully

many are

caught in the

middle and

we think we

have to choose

because we've

taken the Pill

for planning

purposes and

teen orÂ

women's

health. Â

  Â

Consider

thisÂ

perspective:Â

We canÂ

support our

Church's

religious

freedom andÂ

it's teachings

against

contraceptive

use for family

planning .Â

 We canÂ

support our

Bishops and

priests AND

embrace the

Church's

teachings by

understanding

it's practical

help through

Natural

Methods of

Fertility

Awareness or

NFP offered by

local

practitioners.Â

 What

would you

say if you

were told

there was

another

effective,

safe method

which took

care of

both:Â

family

planning and

women's health

without use of

contraceptives

at all? Â

   Â

Over 50

couples in the

past 2 years

right in our

very own

locale, have

turned with

success to

natural

methods in

conjunction

with medical

care for

healing. Â

This offers up

to 80% success

in a totally

moral mannerÂ

where IVF

fails.Â

 There is

no need for

fear of

religious

freedom

without the

Pill. Pills

have high

doses of

hormones,

elevate the

risk of blood

clots,

strokes, heart

attacks,

weight gain,

and has not

ever been

researched for

its use for

women's

health.Â

Fertility is a

healthy state,

no need to be

reduced to a

disease. Â

The miracle of

creating new

life is

stripped of

its entire

dual meanings

:Â babies

and bonding in

every marital

embrace and

turns it into

a private

"contact"

sport. This

is what drug

free/ device

free fertility

awareness or

natural family

planningÂ

looks like:

99%

effective 100%

natural,Â

underlying

causes ofÂ

women's

physical and

mental health

revealed and

healed without

use of the

Pill,Â

private, and

personalized

couple

centered

learning....

You might

not have

thought much

about

religious

freedom

because you

haven't lived

under

oppression.

You also

might not have

thought much

about natural

family

planning or

fertility

awareness

methods for

teens, singles

and married

women for

women's health

because you

thought it was

ineffective or

too much work

or wasn't ever

mentioned by

your doctor as

a viable

option. Â

As a wife,

mother and

currently a

Registered

Nurse, I've

talked to over

150 couples

who've taken a

full Natural

Family

planning

course and

communicate

with their

doctor to

manage all

women's

reproductive

health issues,

including

depression and

irregularities

of all kinds

and family

planning based

on their

private and

personal daily

fertility

journal.Â

Local, organic

and

sustainable to

women's health

and the power

to create

human life

with God.

.. Natural

family

planning can

help sustain

your openness

to life and

love in your

life. These

are the 2 ends

of our

physical

expression in

our

relationships

whether

married or

not.

In harmony

with nature

and God's

ways, you

have the

freedom to

trust NFP for

healing, Â

for family

planning &

women's

health. Â

 This is

the freedom

the Church

invites us

too. Â

Your body

knows, you can

too!

I will be

available in

the Green Room

at back of

parish hall to

offer

materials,

information

for your own

research and

discuss your

comments on

this. I

welcome them

and you! I

would very

much expect

opposing

viewpoints.Â

I will listen

and want to

hear your

story. Â

There is still

hope and

healing.

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your

fertility,Â

in your hands"

 At this

point, any

woman can get

the Pill for

free if she

has financial

issues.Â

Right here at

our local

Planned

Parenthood in

Montgomery

Village.

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your

fertility,Â

in your hands"

Â

--

Therese

, RN,

FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your

fertility,Â

in your hands"

Â

Â

Â

Â

[Guest guest]

what is the next generation of biomarkers in the opinion of all you experts?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

(office)

(cell)

(FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: NFP from

pulpit..help with wording?

Â

Â

,

   I think we are very close but

perhaps differ as to who should make the

decision. Granted, doctors are trained

to make decisions about medical

problems. But when it comes to the

decision about whether to use something as

cheap and simple as well tested as a basal

thermometer, I think that ordinary couples

are capable of making that decision if

they are given adequate information. I

think it is theologically amiss for the

Church to align itself too closely with

any particular method, and therefore it

should be insisting that couples be given

sufficient information so that the have

the freedom of choice that is appropriate

to ordinary folks. The will cannot

choose what the intellect has not

considered.Â

Â

Kippley

Â

Â

Â

NFP from pulpit..help

with wording?

Â

Â

Â

Good

afternoon!

I

was asked by my pastor to draft an after

Mass announcement I would make in person

soon. What do you think of this? I

think I have 2 minutes.Â

Good

morning. As a nurse and women and

couples' health advocate I ask for you to

consider this:Â Â Religious freedom vs.

contraceptives

We

have until this August 2012, before

Catholic churches and Catholic agencies

will be forced in their insurance plansÂ

to cover contraceptives free of charge to

the insurance member.   Do we have

to take sides?  Women or religion?Â

   Of course we know: religious

freedom AND true women's health

care for sure!

Truthfully

many are caught in the middle and weÂ

think we have to choose because we've

taken the Pill for planning purposes and

teen or women's health.    Â

Consider this perspective: We canÂ

support our Church's religious freedom

and it's teachings against contraceptive

use for family planning .  We canÂ

support our Bishops and priests AND

embrace the Church's teachings by

understanding it's practical help through

Natural Methods of Fertility Awareness or

NFP offered by local practitioners.Â

Â

What would you say if you were told

there was another effective, safe method

which took care of both:Â family

planning and women's health without use of

contraceptives at all?     Â

Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right

in our very own locale, have turned with

success to natural methods in conjunction

with medical care for healing.  This

offers up to 80% success in a totally

moral manner where IVF fails.Â

Â

There is no need for fear of religious

freedom without the Pill. Pills have

high doses of hormones, elevate the risk

of blood clots, strokes, heart attacks,

weight gain, and has not ever been

researched for its use for women's

health. Fertility is a healthy state,

no need to be reduced to a disease. Â

The miracle of creating new life is

stripped of its entire dual meanings :Â

babies and bonding in every marital

embrace and turns it into a private

"contact" sport. This is what drug

free/ device free fertility awareness or

natural family planning looks like:

99%

effective 100% natural, underlying

causes of women's physical and mental

health revealed and healed without use of

the Pill, private, and personalized

couple centered learning....

You

might not have thought much about

religious freedom because you haven't

lived under oppression.

You

also might not have thought much about

natural family planning or fertility

awareness methods for teens, singles and

married women for women's health because

you thought it was ineffective or too much

work or wasn't ever mentioned by your

doctor as a viable option.  As a

wife, mother and currently a Registered

Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples

who've taken a full Natural Family

planning course and communicate with their

doctor to manage all women's reproductive

health issues, including depression and

irregularities of all kinds and family

planning based on their private and

personal daily fertility journal.Â

Local, organic and sustainable to women's

health and the power to create human life

with God.

..

Natural family planning can help sustain

your openness to life and love in your

life. These are the 2 ends of our

physical expression in our relationships

whether married or not.

In

harmony with nature and God's ways, you

have the freedom to trust NFP for healing,

 for family planning & women's

health.   This is the freedom the

Church invites us too.  Your body

knows, you can too!

I

will be available in the Green Room at

back of parish hall to offer materials,

information for your own research and

discuss your comments on this. I

welcome them and you! I would very much

expect opposing viewpoints. I will

listen and want to hear your story. Â

There is still hope and healing.

--

Therese

, RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

Â

At this point, any woman can get the Pill

for free if she has financial issues.Â

Right here at our local Planned Parenthood

in Montgomery Village.

--

Therese

, RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

Â

--

Therese

, RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare

Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

"your

cycles, your fertility, in your hands"

Â

Â

Â

Â

[Guest guest]

I would love to have an expert write an article for our CANFP newsletter explaining all these things...anyone interested? Would like to have it all in one place, re the self administered tests that are available, what they test, and their strengths and weaknesses. Any takers? For our Medical Matters column of our quarterly newsletter... Sheila St. Executive DirectorCalifornia Association of Natural Family Planningwww.canfp.org1-877-33-CANFP From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of DominicSent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:31 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? what is the next generation of biomarkers in the opinion of all you experts?Sincerely yours, Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPhInterventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning ResearcherMedical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com) (office) (cell) (FAX)pedullad@... " ...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself. " (Inter Insignores) Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?   ,    I think we are very close but perhaps differ as to who should make the decision. Granted, doctors are trained to make decisions about medical problems. But when it comes to the decision about whether to use something as cheap and simple as well tested as a basal thermometer, I think that ordinary couples are capable of making that decision if they are given adequate information. I think it is theologically amiss for the Church to align itself too closely with any particular method, and therefore it should be insisting that couples be given sufficient information so that the have the freedom of choice that is appropriate to ordinary folks. The will cannot choose what the intellect has not considered.  Kippley    NFP from pulpit..help with wording?    Good afternoon!I was asked by my pastor to draft an after Mass announcement I would make in person soon. What do you think of this? I think I have 2 minutes. Good morning. As a nurse and women and couples' health advocate I ask for you to consider this:  Religious freedom vs. contraceptives We have until this August 2012, before Catholic churches and Catholic agencies will be forced in their insurance plans to cover contraceptives free of charge to the insurance member.   Do we have to take sides?  Women or religion?    Of course we know: religious freedom AND true women's health care for sure! Truthfully many are caught in the middle and we think we have to choose because we've taken the Pill for planning purposes and teen or women's health.     Consider this perspective: We can support our Church's religious freedom and it's teachings against contraceptive use for family planning .  We can support our Bishops and priests AND embrace the Church's teachings by understanding it's practical help through Natural Methods of Fertility Awareness or NFP offered by local practitioners.  What would you say if you were told there was another effective, safe method which took care of both: family planning and women's health without use of contraceptives at all?      Over 50 couples in the past 2 years right in our very own locale, have turned with success to natural methods in conjunction with medical care for healing.  This offers up to 80% success in a totally moral manner where IVF fails.  There is no need for fear of religious freedom without the Pill. Pills have high doses of hormones, elevate the risk of blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, weight gain, and has not ever been researched for its use for women's health. Fertility is a healthy state, no need to be reduced to a disease.  The miracle of creating new life is stripped of its entire dual meanings : babies and bonding in every marital embrace and turns it into a private " contact " sport. This is what drug free/ device free fertility awareness or natural family planning looks like: 99% effective 100% natural, underlying causes of women's physical and mental health revealed and healed without use of the Pill, private, and personalized couple centered learning.... You might not have thought much about religious freedom because you haven't lived under oppression. You also might not have thought much about natural family planning or fertility awareness methods for teens, singles and married women for women's health because you thought it was ineffective or too much work or wasn't ever mentioned by your doctor as a viable option.  As a wife, mother and currently a Registered Nurse, I've talked to over 150 couples who've taken a full Natural Family planning course and communicate with their doctor to manage all women's reproductive health issues, including depression and irregularities of all kinds and family planning based on their private and personal daily fertility journal. Local, organic and sustainable to women's health and the power to create human life with God. . Natural family planning can help sustain your openness to life and love in your life. These are the 2 ends of our physical expression in our relationships whether married or not. In harmony with nature and God's ways, you have the freedom to trust NFP for healing,  for family planning & women's health.   This is the freedom the Church invites us too.  Your body knows, you can too!I will be available in the Green Room at back of parish hall to offer materials, information for your own research and discuss your comments on this. I welcome them and you! I would very much expect opposing viewpoints. I will listen and want to hear your story.  There is still hope and healing. -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "  At this point, any woman can get the Pill for free if she has financial issues. Right here at our local Planned Parenthood in Montgomery Village. -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "  -- Therese , RN, FCP* *FertilityCare Practitioner www.potomacfertility.org " your cycles, your fertility, in your hands "    Â

[Guest guest]

I think Guenter Freundl has written a review on various monitors etc

recently - possibly in German

Len Blackwell

At 10:44 a.m. 1/05/2012, you wrote:

I would love to have an expert write an article for our CANFP newsletter

explaining all these things...anyone interested? Would like to have it

all in one place, re the self administered tests that are available, what

they test, and their strengths and weaknesses. Any takers? For our

Medical Matters column of our quarterly newsletter...

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association of Natural Family Planning

www.canfp.org

1-877-33-CANFP

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what is the next generation of biomarkers in the opinion of all you

experts?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein

Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning

Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center

(www.noveinok.com,

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" ...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures

the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and

the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to

civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points,

the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to

Christ himself. " (Inter Insignores)

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[Guest guest]

Len, If it is necessary to have the sort of positive indication of ovulation you are talking about for some disease-related diagnosis, I can understand the desire to have that sort of test. But if the purpose is simply to aid the interpretation of fertility and infertility in a given cycle, I am having some difficulties.

By way of clarification, STM interpretations of post-ovulation infertility are never made on the basis of one temp. For years the standard has been three days of sufficiently elevated temps because early studies showed too many pregnancies still occurring on the second day of elevated temps. If spouses are recording the wife's basal temperature each day and see that a particular mucus patch is followed by three days of elevated temps of a sufficient level, they have a positive sign that progesterone is active. From a practical perspective, if the couple is seeking to avoid pregnancy, it doesn't make any difference whether the progesterone is coming from a ruptured or an unruptured follicle. Either way, the P will be inhibiting other ovulations in that cycle. It seems to me that it is much simpler to do this sort of routine crosscheck every cycle -- it takes about a minute a morning -- than to have to go to a lab for a blood draw, etc. Or are you saying this can be done at home?

Now if the couple has an infertility problem, then I can see that it makes a difference whether the follicle is ruptured or unruptured.

I'm not a doctor and may not understand the complexities, so I will appreciate further clarification.

Kippley

NFP International

Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

Yes in principle.With PdG a single value will give you the answer but with the BBT you must have daily measurements and then if the BBT increase following a mucus patch was small and lasted a single day it might be difficult to interpret. However, I leave the BBT experts to discuss this.Len Blackwell

Wouldn't the elevation or non-elevation of the basal temperature after a mucus patch accomplish the same thing?

Kippley

[Guest guest]

--- Re:

NFP from pulpit..help with wording?

Yes in principle.

With PdG a single value will give you the answer but with

the BBT you must have daily measurements and then if the

BBT increase following a mucus patch was small and lasted

a single day it might be difficult to interpret. However,

I leave the BBT experts to discuss this.

Len Blackwell

Wouldn't the elevation or non-elevation of

the basal temperature after a mucus

patch accomplish the same thing?

Kippley

[Guest guest]

Dear Len, thank you for your gracious reply. As someone who made it through med school and residency within the last 15 years and never heard a peep about NFP or the ability for women to monitor their cervical mucus, BBTs or perform urinary hormonal testing, I for one am thankful for you helping to disseminate Dr Browns findings, and for all the others in this group who have made such great contributions to the field as well. I have read Types of ovarian activity in women and their significance: the continuum and also A Study of Returning Fertility After Childbirth and During Lactation by Measurement of Urinary Estrogen and Pregnanediol Excretion and Cervical Mucus Production. Are there any other articles which you feel we should read?How does the Brown Monitor differ from the Clearblue or Persona monitors?If we want to convince medical professionals to learn about and offer NFP in their practices, it would be good for all of us to study the hormonal changes which create the readily observable fertile signs. This science, if further developed and made readily understandable to physicians and NFP Instructors alike, would unite all of the various NFP methods. One could still teach most people, i.e., a variant of the ovulation method, and it would suffice. But as the situation changes for the woman (the continuum) or for the "forgotten women of NFP" there would be other options. Of course, I realize that all of our methods have attempted to adapt our rules for patients who have special circumstances and the efficacy of these adaptations need to be further studied.I would look forward to a conference where your work would be summarized or reviewed again for those of us who are just beginning this journey.Blessings to you and your work, Dr Peck, MD, CCD, Marquette NFP InstructorSent via BlackBerry by AT&TSender: nfpprofessionals Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 17:48:08 +1200To: <nfpprofessionals >ReplyTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: Fwd: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording? --- Re: NFP from pulpit..help with wording?Yes in principle.With PdG a single value will give you the answer but withthe BBT you must have daily measurements and then if theBBT increase following a mucus patch was small and lasteda single day it might be difficult to interpret. However,I leave the BBT experts to discuss this.Len Blackwell Wouldn't the elevation or non-elevation ofthe basal temperature after a mucuspatch accomplish the same thing? Kippley

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Thank you for your comments. Depending on your interest there are a

number of articles you could read. Also some of the material

Fehring and his team have published.

The Brown Monitor differs from the Persona Monitors in that we use timed

urine samples and measure both E1G and PdG. The first rise in E1G in a

prospective sense is the marker for the beginning of the fertile window

and the rise in PdG to exceed a thrreshold excretion rate to mark the end

of the fertile window. See our 1992 and 1998 papers). The Persona device

(and is more of an expert on this than I) is essentially a

sophisticated calendar device. It works on the principle that if we knew

when the LH peak was going to occur then we could define the fertile

window as LH-5 to LH + 4 (I think). By monitoring for 6 cycles the range

of LH peak days is determined and the algorithm constantly updates this

so that the beginning of testing is the earliest LH peak day -

5. E1G is measured as well and if this is elevated to lie

within one of two bands then fertility is signalled as having already

started and obviously the LH peak day was actually earlier than

predicted. The end of fertility is predicted from the LH peak day and not

definitively determined.

The Persona system uses early morning urine samples on the basis that the

urine volume is more constant overnight. However, the urine volume can

vary 10 fold from day to day.One of the barriers to widespread use of the

Monitor was the perception that collecting timed urine samples is too

difficult. However, the quality of the data is vastly improved by this

correction for urine volume and it is only because we do this that we can

measure the first rise in E1G above baseline levels.

I hope this helps and am ready to be corrected by !

Regards,

Len

At 12:40 a.m. 3/05/2012, rbamer2@... wrote:

Dear Len, thank you for your gracious reply. As someone who made it

through med school and residency within the last 15 years and never heard

a peep about NFP or the ability for women to monitor their cervical

mucus, BBTs or perform urinary hormonal testing, I for one am thankful

for you helping to disseminate Dr Browns findings, and for all the others

in this group who have made such great contributions to the field as

well.

I have read Types of ovarian activity in women and their significance:

the continuum and also A Study of Returning Fertility After Childbirth

and During Lactation by Measurement of Urinary Estrogen and Pregnanediol

Excretion and Cervical Mucus Production. Are there any other articles

which you feel we should read?

How does the Brown Monitor differ from the Clearblue or Persona

monitors?

If we want to convince medical professionals to learn about and offer NFP

in their practices, it would be good for all of us to study the hormonal

changes which create the readily observable fertile signs. This science,

if further developed and made readily understandable to physicians and

NFP Instructors alike, would unite all of the various NFP methods. One

could still teach most people, i.e., a variant of the ovulation method,

and it would suffice. But as the situation changes for the woman (the

continuum) or for the " forgotten women of NFP " there would be

other options. Of course, I realize that all of our methods have

attempted to adapt our rules for patients who have special circumstances

and the efficacy of these adaptations need to be further

studied.

I would look forward to a conference where your work would be summarized

or reviewed again for those of us who are just beginning this

journey.

Blessings to you and your work,

Dr Peck, MD, CCD, Marquette NFP Instructor

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Subject: Fwd: Re: NFP from pulpit..help with

wording?

--- Re: NFP from pulpit..help with

wording?

Yes in principle.

With PdG a single value will give you the answer but with the BBT you

must have daily measurements and then if the BBT increase following a

mucus patch was small and lasted a single day it might be difficult to

interpret. However, I leave the BBT experts to discuss this.

Len Blackwell

Wouldn't the elevation or non-elevation of the basal temperature

after a mucus patch accomplish the same thing?

Kippley