Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Question: Do skinny people ever pig out? I was just in a pig out mood on Sunday but I attribute it to the massive intake of white wine. Maybe I was a bit depressed and one thing let to another. But it's hard for me to believe skinny people do not have these issues at all. One interesting insight, as I pigged out I said to myself " ahh I don't really want to be slim anyway " . This was frightening as it may have been a limiting believe that only appeared after gorging. I then began to wonder if I actually use my weight as an excuse or take comfort in it at times. I have not figured this out nonetheless it was eye opening. A couple more lessons learned: 1) Alcohol intake leads to eating food when not hungry It is well known but sometimes I think I can drink and ignore an empty stomach. My body revolts and I feel terrible and eat when not hungry. 2) Feeling your stomach as says actually works In her podcasts I rolled my eyes when suggested I " feel how empty " my stomach was before eating. But one day I did it and after cringing at my stomach fat I realized I could locate my stomach and actually feel it was nearly full. This was amazing to me. So now I just need to listen to my stomach and not necessarily my head to keep on track. 3) Sabotage can be deadly It is hard to believe that one day of being off track can ruin a week's worth of being conscious. It really makes you conscious at all times and realize you can never take a vacation from being on track. In fact, being on track Is the vacation. I would appreciate some encouraging words this week as I slowly mount the " conscious horse " I fell off of this weekend. Thanks guys. thirtyhood.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Hi, This is my first entry here after lurking for about a week or so. I just have to respond to about the wine and overeating. That's what I do, too. Doesn't take much wine--a couple of glasses and I'm loosened up to graze. Listening to 's suggestions, though, I find I am doing this less and less. I do have a friend, an inspiration to me, who lost 130 lbs. about 5 or 6 years ago and has kept it off. Apparently, she followed enough of the -type guidelines to succeed and also " graduate. " [Yet, she's not an ISOWL listener.] What she did was make a selection of foods taboo. She NEVER eats them, anywhere, anytime. Like cheese, most fats, and I don't know what all. She was and still is a vegetarian. One thing she didn't cut out was wine. She can actually did drink quite a bit of it (too often and too much in my opinion, sniff sniff), but she says the wine is her empty calorie allotment. She knows the calorie content of everything she eats--memorized. Lately, she has made another taboo: never drink at home, and never alone. Says she's lost an additional 5 lbs since that decision. She's happy. She's thin, and feels better than ever in her whole life. She was over 50 years old when she lost the weight. Pattypie > Question: Do skinny people ever pig out? I was just in a pig out mood > on Sunday but I attribute it to the massive intake of white wine. > Maybe I was a bit depressed and one thing let to another. But it's > hard for me to believe skinny people do not have these issues at all. > > One interesting insight, as I pigged out I said to myself " ahh I don't > really want to be slim anyway " . This was frightening as it may have > been a limiting believe that only appeared after gorging. I then began > to wonder if I actually use my weight as an excuse or take comfort in > it at times. I have not figured this out nonetheless it was eye > opening. > > A couple more lessons learned: > > 1) Alcohol intake leads to eating food when not hungry > > It is well known but sometimes I think I can drink and ignore an empty > stomach. My body revolts and I feel terrible and eat when not hungry. > > 2) Feeling your stomach as says actually works > > In her podcasts I rolled my eyes when suggested I " feel how > empty " my stomach was before eating. But one day I did it and after > cringing at my stomach fat I realized I could locate my stomach and > actually feel it was nearly full. This was amazing to me. So now I > just need to listen to my stomach and not necessarily my head to keep > on track. > > 3) Sabotage can be deadly > > It is hard to believe that one day of being off track can ruin a > week's worth of being conscious. It really makes you conscious at all > times and realize you can never take a vacation from being on track. > In fact, being on track Is the vacation. > > I would appreciate some encouraging words this week as I slowly mount > the " conscious horse " I fell off of this weekend. > > Thanks guys. > > > thirtyhood.blogspot.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 : Thanks for your message! What great strides you have taken and lessons learned. Don't get down on yourself - as this sounds like a " thank you big burrito " moment (from 's podcast). Just get back on the horse and try to improve each time! This is easy for me to say, but hard for me to follow. As I enjoy a nice glass of wine as well and try to limit it to a Friday/Saturday dinner. It doesn't seem fair that my friends and DH can have wine - but it doesn't help me. I can be very good 95% of the week, but can fall hard with just a couple meals. It is frustrating! But we are all here because we know we want to improve and we keep at it! All the best and make this a great day! Kathy > > Question: Do skinny people ever pig out? I was just in a pig out mood > on Sunday but I attribute it to the massive intake of white wine. > Maybe I was a bit depressed and one thing let to another. But it's > hard for me to believe skinny people do not have these issues at all. > > One interesting insight, as I pigged out I said to myself " ahh I don't > really want to be slim anyway " . This was frightening as it may have > been a limiting believe that only appeared after gorging. I then began > to wonder if I actually use my weight as an excuse or take comfort in > it at times. I have not figured this out nonetheless it was eye opening. > > A couple more lessons learned: > > 1) Alcohol intake leads to eating food when not hungry > > It is well known but sometimes I think I can drink and ignore an empty > stomach. My body revolts and I feel terrible and eat when not hungry. > > 2) Feeling your stomach as says actually works > > In her podcasts I rolled my eyes when suggested I " feel how > empty " my stomach was before eating. But one day I did it and after > cringing at my stomach fat I realized I could locate my stomach and > actually feel it was nearly full. This was amazing to me. So now I > just need to listen to my stomach and not necessarily my head to keep > on track. > > 3) Sabotage can be deadly > > It is hard to believe that one day of being off track can ruin a > week's worth of being conscious. It really makes you conscious at all > times and realize you can never take a vacation from being on track. > In fact, being on track Is the vacation. > > I would appreciate some encouraging words this week as I slowly mount > the " conscious horse " I fell off of this weekend. > > Thanks guys. > > > thirtyhood.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Thanks for sharing your moment. I needed to hear all of it. Seems like in general you are doing very well. The good thing is you learned something from your moment!!!!! The sabotage part is the area I am struggling and I am the QUEEN of it!!!! I got to within 4 pounds of goal and now I have gained all but 6.6 back. SABOTAGE OR ESPIONAGE LOL > > Question: Do skinny people ever pig out? I was just in a pig out mood > on Sunday but I attribute it to the massive intake of white wine. > Maybe I was a bit depressed and one thing let to another. But it's > hard for me to believe skinny people do not have these issues at all. > > One interesting insight, as I pigged out I said to myself " ahh I don't > really want to be slim anyway " . This was frightening as it may have > been a limiting believe that only appeared after gorging. I then began > to wonder if I actually use my weight as an excuse or take comfort in > it at times. I have not figured this out nonetheless it was eye opening. > > A couple more lessons learned: > > 1) Alcohol intake leads to eating food when not hungry > > It is well known but sometimes I think I can drink and ignore an empty > stomach. My body revolts and I feel terrible and eat when not hungry. > > 2) Feeling your stomach as says actually works > > In her podcasts I rolled my eyes when suggested I " feel how > empty " my stomach was before eating. But one day I did it and after > cringing at my stomach fat I realized I could locate my stomach and > actually feel it was nearly full. This was amazing to me. So now I > just need to listen to my stomach and not necessarily my head to keep > on track. > > 3) Sabotage can be deadly > > It is hard to believe that one day of being off track can ruin a > week's worth of being conscious. It really makes you conscious at all > times and realize you can never take a vacation from being on track. > In fact, being on track Is the vacation. > > I would appreciate some encouraging words this week as I slowly mount > the " conscious horse " I fell off of this weekend. > > Thanks guys. > > > thirtyhood.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 , Wow. You really were speaking to me. How many times have I said those words to myself after eating a really fattening dinner? I don't want to be skinny anyways, or I'll never look good, why bother... Now I have a naturally slender cousin and we were teasing her just yesterday. Apparently her husband put half a pie in the fridge and she got up in the middle of the night and ate the whole thing! She is skinny and always has been! And she couldn't figure out why we all thought it was a big deal. So I would guess that even naturally thin people have those days...although I'm sure they are very few and very fare between! Thanks for the lessons learned! > > Question: Do skinny people ever pig out? I was just in a pig out mood > on Sunday but I attribute it to the massive intake of white wine. > Maybe I was a bit depressed and one thing let to another. But it's > hard for me to believe skinny people do not have these issues at all. > > One interesting insight, as I pigged out I said to myself " ahh I don't > really want to be slim anyway " . This was frightening as it may have > been a limiting believe that only appeared after gorging. I then began > to wonder if I actually use my weight as an excuse or take comfort in > it at times. I have not figured this out nonetheless it was eye opening. > > A couple more lessons learned: > > 1) Alcohol intake leads to eating food when not hungry > > It is well known but sometimes I think I can drink and ignore an empty > stomach. My body revolts and I feel terrible and eat when not hungry. > > 2) Feeling your stomach as says actually works > > In her podcasts I rolled my eyes when suggested I " feel how > empty " my stomach was before eating. But one day I did it and after > cringing at my stomach fat I realized I could locate my stomach and > actually feel it was nearly full. This was amazing to me. So now I > just need to listen to my stomach and not necessarily my head to keep > on track. > > 3) Sabotage can be deadly > > It is hard to believe that one day of being off track can ruin a > week's worth of being conscious. It really makes you conscious at all > times and realize you can never take a vacation from being on track. > In fact, being on track Is the vacation. > > I would appreciate some encouraging words this week as I slowly mount > the " conscious horse " I fell off of this weekend. > > Thanks guys. > > > thirtyhood.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hi ! Of Course skinny people pig out, and they still stay skinny! That's why we hate them so much! Feeling your stomach as says does NOT work....after Alcohol intake! The " conscious horse " is always there for you to climb back on - you need to quiet your inner critic and move forward. Good luck! KJ > > Question: Do skinny people ever pig out? I was just in a pig out mood > on Sunday but I attribute it to the massive intake of white wine. > Maybe I was a bit depressed and one thing let to another. But it's > hard for me to believe skinny people do not have these issues at all. > > One interesting insight, as I pigged out I said to myself " ahh I don't > really want to be slim anyway " . This was frightening as it may have > been a limiting believe that only appeared after gorging. I then began > to wonder if I actually use my weight as an excuse or take comfort in > it at times. I have not figured this out nonetheless it was eye opening. > > A couple more lessons learned: > > 1) Alcohol intake leads to eating food when not hungry > > It is well known but sometimes I think I can drink and ignore an empty > stomach. My body revolts and I feel terrible and eat when not hungry. > > 2) Feeling your stomach as says actually works > > In her podcasts I rolled my eyes when suggested I " feel how > empty " my stomach was before eating. But one day I did it and after > cringing at my stomach fat I realized I could locate my stomach and > actually feel it was nearly full. This was amazing to me. So now I > just need to listen to my stomach and not necessarily my head to keep > on track. > > 3) Sabotage can be deadly > > It is hard to believe that one day of being off track can ruin a > week's worth of being conscious. It really makes you conscious at all > times and realize you can never take a vacation from being on track. > In fact, being on track Is the vacation. > > I would appreciate some encouraging words this week as I slowly mount > the " conscious horse " I fell off of this weekend. > > Thanks guys. > > > thirtyhood.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 See, now this is where I have trouble. If we are seeking to become naturally slender, and yet naturally slender people sometimes " pig out " , I have a hard time reconciling those two concepts. It might be because I have always perceived dieting as a state of denial of something or other, where I get the impression that naturally slender people just don't worry about that. So in the middle of eating something I shouldn't, I'm thinking " oh well, naturally slender people don't worry about this, so why should I? " I would love to hear how any of you deal with this. > > > > Question: Do skinny people ever pig out? I was just in a pig out mood > > on Sunday but I attribute it to the massive intake of white wine. > > Maybe I was a bit depressed and one thing let to another. But it's > > hard for me to believe skinny people do not have these issues at all. > > > > One interesting insight, as I pigged out I said to myself " ahh I don't > > really want to be slim anyway " . This was frightening as it may have > > been a limiting believe that only appeared after gorging. I then began > > to wonder if I actually use my weight as an excuse or take comfort in > > it at times. I have not figured this out nonetheless it was eye opening. > > > > A couple more lessons learned: > > > > 1) Alcohol intake leads to eating food when not hungry > > > > It is well known but sometimes I think I can drink and ignore an empty > > stomach. My body revolts and I feel terrible and eat when not hungry. > > > > 2) Feeling your stomach as says actually works > > > > In her podcasts I rolled my eyes when suggested I " feel how > > empty " my stomach was before eating. But one day I did it and after > > cringing at my stomach fat I realized I could locate my stomach and > > actually feel it was nearly full. This was amazing to me. So now I > > just need to listen to my stomach and not necessarily my head to keep > > on track. > > > > 3) Sabotage can be deadly > > > > It is hard to believe that one day of being off track can ruin a > > week's worth of being conscious. It really makes you conscious at all > > times and realize you can never take a vacation from being on track. > > In fact, being on track Is the vacation. > > > > I would appreciate some encouraging words this week as I slowly mount > > the " conscious horse " I fell off of this weekend. > > > > Thanks guys. > > > > > > thirtyhood.blogspot.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Well, I'm still learning too, so please take this reply with a grain of salt, but based on what I've discovered so far--both from and from observing the naturally slender people I know--it's all about self-correcting. Naturally slender people do go overboard sometimes, but they don't tend to do it often, and they self-correct pretty quickly--sometimes even before the fact, such as by eating a very light lunch if they know they're going to have a big dinner. They sometimes eat food that is unhealthy, but they don't eat much of it at any one sitting. They don't overeat all the time, just occasionally, then they let their hunger guide them to eat lightly next time around to compensate. They also adjust their activity level to meet their intake, and vice- versa, as has mentioned several times in the podcasts. As others have said here, it can be much harder to self-correct quickly when you choose foods that override your natural instincts around hunger and satiety (e.g., alcohol, refined carbs, high- fructose corn syrup, etc.). Most of the naturally slender people I know avoid or seriously limit things like that. As for the " diet=denial " equation, I can certainly relate to that. I've been trying to shift that belief by following 's suggestion to be a " relentless pleasure seeker " and considering how food will make me feel over time. For example, I denied myself fried chicken (one of my former " best friends " ) for about a year. I would think about it and long for it every now and then. But I didn't let myself have it. Then I finally tried some and found it really wasn't all that good. After the initial " party in my mouth " , which lasted all of 10 minutes, it sat in my stomach like a rock for hours, and it gave me heartburn, which I rarely have these days. Not a pleasant experience at all. So I have found it's not really " denial " when eating the thing would make me feel like crap. If eating the food does make me feel good (or at least doesn't make me feel bad), then I eat it. If it's something that's high in calories or fat, then I eat less of it, and I try to balance it out by eating other healthier foods along with it, or next time I eat, and exercising regularly. That seems to be what naturally slender people do. I find if I frame diet as denial, then I'm always trying to " cheat " or reward myself with food or soothe myself with food when the going gets tough. So far that hasn't worked for me. 's way, seeking to feel good over the long term, doesn't always work either…yet…but I find it's a healthier, less stressful way to live, and it does get easier with practice. Wow, that came out much longer than I had intended. Sorry to ramble, but hopefully that'll be helpful to you or someone else reading the group. Good luck on your journey. Stella > > See, now this is where I have trouble. If we are seeking to become > naturally slender, and yet naturally slender people sometimes " pig > out " , I have a hard time reconciling those two concepts. It might be > because I have always perceived dieting as a state of denial of > something or other, where I get the impression that naturally slender > people just don't worry about that. So in the middle of eating > something I shouldn't, I'm thinking " oh well, naturally slender people > don't worry about this, so why should I? " > > I would love to hear how any of you deal with this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Right on Stella, You are growing and learning!!! I honor your path!!!! Leah On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:24 AM, ms_stella_rush wrote: > Well, I'm still learning too, so please take this reply with a grain > of salt, but based on what I've discovered so far--both from > and from observing the naturally slender people I know--it's all > about self-correcting. > > Naturally slender people do go overboard sometimes, but they don't > tend to do it often, and they self-correct pretty quickly--sometimes > even before the fact, such as by eating a very light lunch if they > know they're going to have a big dinner. They sometimes eat food that > is unhealthy, but they don't eat much of it at any one sitting. They > don't overeat all the time, just occasionally, then they let their > hunger guide them to eat lightly next time around to compensate. They > also adjust their activity level to meet their intake, and vice- > versa, as has mentioned several times in the podcasts. > > As others have said here, it can be much harder to self-correct > quickly when you choose foods that override your natural instincts > around hunger and satiety (e.g., alcohol, refined carbs, high- > fructose corn syrup, etc.). Most of the naturally slender people I > know avoid or seriously limit things like that. > > As for the " diet=denial " equation, I can certainly relate to that. > I've been trying to shift that belief by following 's suggestion > to be a " relentless pleasure seeker " and considering how food will > make me feel over time. For example, I denied myself fried chicken > (one of my former " best friends " ) for about a year. I would think > about it and long for it every now and then. But I didn't let myself > have it. Then I finally tried some and found it really wasn't all > that good. After the initial " party in my mouth " , which lasted all of > 10 minutes, it sat in my stomach like a rock for hours, and it gave > me heartburn, which I rarely have these days. Not a pleasant > experience at all. So I have found it's not really " denial " when > eating the thing would make me feel like crap. > > If eating the food does make me feel good (or at least doesn't make > me feel bad), then I eat it. If it's something that's high in > calories or fat, then I eat less of it, and I try to balance it out > by eating other healthier foods along with it, or next time I eat, > and exercising regularly. That seems to be what naturally slender > people do. > > I find if I frame diet as denial, then I'm always trying to " cheat " > or reward myself with food or soothe myself with food when the going > gets tough. So far that hasn't worked for me. 's way, seeking to > feel good over the long term, doesn't always work either…yet…but I > find it's a healthier, less stressful way to live, and it does get > easier with practice. > > Wow, that came out much longer than I had intended. Sorry to ramble, > but hopefully that'll be helpful to you or someone else reading the > group. Good luck on your journey. > > Stella > > > > > > See, now this is where I have trouble. If we are seeking to become > > naturally slender, and yet naturally slender people sometimes " pig > > out " , I have a hard time reconciling those two concepts. It might > be > > because I have always perceived dieting as a state of denial of > > something or other, where I get the impression that naturally > slender > > people just don't worry about that. So in the middle of eating > > something I shouldn't, I'm thinking " oh well, naturally slender > people > > don't worry about this, so why should I? " > > > > I would love to hear how any of you deal with this. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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