Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 - Ohh Polly I feel for you. One idea that came to mind that we do with our kids is before that behavior starts tell her she'll be leaving the park in 10 minutes, then 5,3,1 etc. Another idea is to use pictures of her favoirte things that she doesn't like to leave and give her a schedule using pictures. Like outside/park then Grandma's, then eat, etc. Place the pictues in a small photo album and show her each page before you start and as your going through each activity. Do you think she may be sensitive to sounds. Quite a few of autistic's can be sensitive to loud or paticuliar types of noises. The hugs were a good idea, try hugging her tight and see if she reacts differently. Give her lot's of " were going to: " if she has trouble with transitioning. How's her speech and understanding? -- In Autism_in_Girls , smallteadrinker <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hi , my daughter almost 3 (possibly PDD) screams all the time. If > we have to change her routine, like coming in from outside or if we > have to leave someplace like the park she gets hysterically. Or if > a toy doesn't do what she wants it to, she screams. I have tried > so hard to get her to stop and at this point I'm at my witts end. > I've tried raising my voice but she screams so loud she can't hear > me, I've tried holding on to her but she still screams? Any advice, > words of wisdom out there? Please Help. I don't know what to do > anymore. > Polly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Polly, My daughter (now 4) was a big screamer too, for all of the same types of reasons you mentioned. She has learned that screaming may often get her what she wants, because if you are anything like I was, you will to whatever it takes to stop the screaming. I completely understand how that feels. What you need to do now is show her that she can communicate in other ways than screaming. Is she verbal at all. You must never give her what she wants while she is screaming. Ever. Let's take the toy situation, because this was also a big problem for my daughter. If the toy did not react how she wanted it to, or if the batteries were going dead, etc. she would scream, rip out her hair, smack herself in the head and roll around on the floor and kick. I just sat near her, protecting myself as necessary, and modeled for her very calmly, " need help? " Her speech at that time was limited to one or two words at a time. Sometimes it took awhile while we waited out the screaming, and it even got worse because I was not responding to her the way I usually did. Pretty soon she would calm down and say, " need help " and the very second she said that I would say, " Oh, you need help! " and fix the problem (set the toy back up, change the battery, whatever). She soon learned that only calm requests would get what she wanted. She still gets angry, but now she can say, " I want _____ " She may even start screaming and having a tantrum again, but I just calmly say " I want.... " and when she hears that she stops crying to think of the word and forgets about screaming. I make a huge deal about how proud I am of her for asking nicely and that behavior is reinforced. Even before she could talk she used sign language, and I did the same thing, but waited until she used a sigh and stopped screaming. I hope this helps a bit. On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, at 01:35 PM, smallteadrinker wrote: > Hi , my daughter almost 3 (possibly PDD) screams all the time. If > we have to change her routine, like coming in from outside or if we > have to leave someplace like the park she gets hysterically. Or if > a toy doesn't do what she wants it to, she screams. I have tried > so hard to get her to stop and at this point I'm at my witts end. > I've tried raising my voice but she screams so loud she can't hear > me, I've tried holding on to her but she still screams? Any advice, > words of wisdom out there? Please Help. I don't know what to do > anymore. > Polly > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > ------------------------ > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 ---Thanks for the reply, My daughter's name is Rory. She is delayed in her expressive and receptive language, so I am not too sure what and how much she can understand. I have tried the 5 minute warning but that didn't seem to work. I have tried holding her tight when she starts her screaming tantrums but she tries to fight me and screams even louder. This afternoon she had one of these screaming episodes so I took her in the basement and sat on the top of the stairs in the dark. It seemed to work but I really can't do that in public. The picture idea sounds like a good one I am seeing a child psychologist on Friday to start her assessment so hopefully he'll have some points for me. Thanks for the ideas. Polly In Autism_in_Girls , deester_s <no_reply@y...> wrote: > - > Ohh Polly I feel for you. > > One idea that came to mind that we do with our kids is before that > behavior starts tell her she'll be leaving the park in 10 minutes, > then 5,3,1 etc. > > Another idea is to use pictures of her favoirte things that she > doesn't like to leave and give her a schedule using pictures. Like > outside/park then Grandma's, then eat, etc. Place the pictues in a > small photo album and show her each page before you start and as your > going through each activity. > > Do you think she may be sensitive to sounds. Quite a few of > autistic's can be sensitive to loud or paticuliar types of noises. > The hugs were a good idea, try hugging her tight and see if she > reacts differently. Give her lot's of " were going to: " if she has > trouble with transitioning. > > How's her speech and understanding? > > > > -- In Autism_in_Girls , smallteadrinker > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Hi , my daughter almost 3 (possibly PDD) screams all the time. If > > we have to change her routine, like coming in from outside or if we > > have to leave someplace like the park she gets hysterically. Or if > > a toy doesn't do what she wants it to, she screams. I have tried > > so hard to get her to stop and at this point I'm at my witts end. > > I've tried raising my voice but she screams so loud she can't hear > > me, I've tried holding on to her but she still screams? Any advice, > > words of wisdom out there? Please Help. I don't know what to do > > anymore. > > Polly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 - No problem Polly, let us know how you make out Friday. -- In Autism_in_Girls , smallteadrinker <no_reply@y...> wrote: > ---Thanks for the reply, > My daughter's name is Rory. She is delayed in her expressive and > receptive language, so I am not too sure what and how much she can > understand. I have tried the 5 minute warning but that didn't seem > to work. > I have tried holding her tight when she starts her screaming > tantrums but she tries to fight me and screams even louder. This > afternoon she had one of these screaming episodes so I took her in > the basement and sat on the top of the stairs in the dark. It seemed > to work but I really can't do that in public. > The picture idea sounds like a good one > I am seeing a child psychologist on Friday to start her assessment > so hopefully he'll have some points for me. > Thanks for the ideas. > Polly > > In Autism_in_Girls , deester_s <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > - > > Ohh Polly I feel for you. > > > > One idea that came to mind that we do with our kids is before that > > behavior starts tell her she'll be leaving the park in 10 minutes, > > then 5,3,1 etc. > > > > Another idea is to use pictures of her favoirte things that she > > doesn't like to leave and give her a schedule using pictures. > Like > > outside/park then Grandma's, then eat, etc. Place the pictues in > a > > small photo album and show her each page before you start and as > your > > going through each activity. > > > > Do you think she may be sensitive to sounds. Quite a few of > > autistic's can be sensitive to loud or paticuliar types of > noises. > > The hugs were a good idea, try hugging her tight and see if she > > reacts differently. Give her lot's of " were going to: " if she has > > trouble with transitioning. > > > > How's her speech and understanding? > > > > > > > > -- In Autism_in_Girls , smallteadrinker > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > Hi , my daughter almost 3 (possibly PDD) screams all the time. > If > > > we have to change her routine, like coming in from outside or if > we > > > have to leave someplace like the park she gets hysterically. Or > if > > > a toy doesn't do what she wants it to, she screams. I have > tried > > > so hard to get her to stop and at this point I'm at my witts > end. > > > I've tried raising my voice but she screams so loud she can't > hear > > > me, I've tried holding on to her but she still screams? Any > advice, > > > words of wisdom out there? Please Help. I don't know what to do > > > anymore. > > > Polly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I started taking the data yesterday following the " ABC " format. Our teachers are taking data also. Hopefully, we'll see a pattern. Jen Re: screaming Yeah, hard part is getting faculty to take the data collection. I asked for that five mos ago, never got a thing. Debi > That's why taking data is so important! It makes you really observe > everything going on and watch for patterns. You might not realize > that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on tv until you > start looking at what you've written. Happens all the time to me and > the parents I train in data collection. > Amnesty Autism_in_Girls-subscribe ------------------------ Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I started taking the data yesterday following the " ABC " format. Our teachers are taking data also. Hopefully, we'll see a pattern. Jen Re: screaming Yeah, hard part is getting faculty to take the data collection. I asked for that five mos ago, never got a thing. Debi > That's why taking data is so important! It makes you really observe > everything going on and watch for patterns. You might not realize > that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on tv until you > start looking at what you've written. Happens all the time to me and > the parents I train in data collection. > Amnesty Autism_in_Girls-subscribe ------------------------ Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 thanks Joan, I'll really have to pay attention to that. I would of never thought it'd be from discomfort, etc. I thought it was either a stim, habit or attention seeking. We'll see... I'll keep you posted. jen Re: Re: screaming I used to wonder about the screaming, until I learned more and more about the issues our kids live with. With so many students in the classroom, your daughter could be on sensory overload, and suddenly she may feel like everything is coming at her like a freight train, and unable to filter out, to decide which thing to focus on. One autistic explains this by saying she can't look AND listen, and she has to concentrate so hard on what is being said. It's overwhelming (not to mention frustrating) and a lot of work to block out everything else. Dropping may not hurt, but a door closing may sound like a canon exploding to these kids. Some children report of hearing plants 'screaming'. My daughter can tell us BEFORE the phone rings,that it's ringing. Some can even her the blood rushing through their veins. Our daughter once (of many a time) started screaming at our daughter's house, at the dinner table. Everything was fine from one moment to the next, but my husband and I forced ourselves to stop and listen calmly and intently instead of focusing on her. Sure enough, we HEARD it! Someone in the next room had turned on the ball game...and it was low, but we heard the cheering. MY thoughts and prayers are with you...this is so difficult to live with, but I'm sure she's hearing something. Have you considered AIT?(Auditory Integration Therapy)We're about to begin with our daughter. It's very beneficial for some, I've read, Magnesium deficiencies can cause sound sensitivities, so more of that may help. but she is very, very like hearing something that is causing her pain. Could it be a scent that's causing her to break down? Maybe clothes she's wearing? Another thing to remember (I learned, also)is that it's more 'frequencys' than actual sound- and so much of this goes on in the world around them, than we pay attention to. Does she respond to pictures? Do2learn.com has wonderful free pictures to print. As they are so visual...that might help her communicate to you what hurts? Just some thoughts...I hope they may be of some help! Warm Wishes, Joan-'s Mom --- Amnesty wrote: > Are you SURE there's no pattern? Sometimes they are > hard to spot > until you take data on them for a while. Write down > the who, what, > where, when, and how. You might see some link. > Have you asked her why she screams? Or is she not > verbal enough to > answer? > If it's a stim, then ignoring it won't decrease it, > but telling her > she can only scream in certain places/times might > (like her room). > Stims are very hard to totally eliminate b/c they > are fun! But you > can reduce the frequency by making it less fun > (being alone, no > toys, etc) > Amnesty > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two > NT boys 8 and 3. > There is > > more to it than the sex of the child, > unfortunately no one knows > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > ------------------------ > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 thanks Joan, I'll really have to pay attention to that. I would of never thought it'd be from discomfort, etc. I thought it was either a stim, habit or attention seeking. We'll see... I'll keep you posted. jen Re: Re: screaming I used to wonder about the screaming, until I learned more and more about the issues our kids live with. With so many students in the classroom, your daughter could be on sensory overload, and suddenly she may feel like everything is coming at her like a freight train, and unable to filter out, to decide which thing to focus on. One autistic explains this by saying she can't look AND listen, and she has to concentrate so hard on what is being said. It's overwhelming (not to mention frustrating) and a lot of work to block out everything else. Dropping may not hurt, but a door closing may sound like a canon exploding to these kids. Some children report of hearing plants 'screaming'. My daughter can tell us BEFORE the phone rings,that it's ringing. Some can even her the blood rushing through their veins. Our daughter once (of many a time) started screaming at our daughter's house, at the dinner table. Everything was fine from one moment to the next, but my husband and I forced ourselves to stop and listen calmly and intently instead of focusing on her. Sure enough, we HEARD it! Someone in the next room had turned on the ball game...and it was low, but we heard the cheering. MY thoughts and prayers are with you...this is so difficult to live with, but I'm sure she's hearing something. Have you considered AIT?(Auditory Integration Therapy)We're about to begin with our daughter. It's very beneficial for some, I've read, Magnesium deficiencies can cause sound sensitivities, so more of that may help. but she is very, very like hearing something that is causing her pain. Could it be a scent that's causing her to break down? Maybe clothes she's wearing? Another thing to remember (I learned, also)is that it's more 'frequencys' than actual sound- and so much of this goes on in the world around them, than we pay attention to. Does she respond to pictures? Do2learn.com has wonderful free pictures to print. As they are so visual...that might help her communicate to you what hurts? Just some thoughts...I hope they may be of some help! Warm Wishes, Joan-'s Mom --- Amnesty wrote: > Are you SURE there's no pattern? Sometimes they are > hard to spot > until you take data on them for a while. Write down > the who, what, > where, when, and how. You might see some link. > Have you asked her why she screams? Or is she not > verbal enough to > answer? > If it's a stim, then ignoring it won't decrease it, > but telling her > she can only scream in certain places/times might > (like her room). > Stims are very hard to totally eliminate b/c they > are fun! But you > can reduce the frequency by making it less fun > (being alone, no > toys, etc) > Amnesty > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two > NT boys 8 and 3. > There is > > more to it than the sex of the child, > unfortunately no one knows > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > ------------------------ > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I used to wonder about the screaming, until I learned more and more about the issues our kids live with. With so many students in the classroom, your daughter could be on sensory overload, and suddenly she may feel like everything is coming at her like a freight train, and unable to filter out, to decide which thing to focus on. One autistic explains this by saying she can't look AND listen, and she has to concentrate so hard on what is being said. It's overwhelming (not to mention frustrating) and a lot of work to block out everything else. Dropping may not hurt, but a door closing may sound like a canon exploding to these kids. Some children report of hearing plants 'screaming'. My daughter can tell us BEFORE the phone rings,that it's ringing. Some can even her the blood rushing through their veins. Our daughter once (of many a time) started screaming at our daughter's house, at the dinner table. Everything was fine from one moment to the next, but my husband and I forced ourselves to stop and listen calmly and intently instead of focusing on her. Sure enough, we HEARD it! Someone in the next room had turned on the ball game...and it was low, but we heard the cheering. MY thoughts and prayers are with you...this is so difficult to live with, but I'm sure she's hearing something. Have you considered AIT?(Auditory Integration Therapy)We're about to begin with our daughter. It's very beneficial for some, I've read, Magnesium deficiencies can cause sound sensitivities, so more of that may help. but she is very, very like hearing something that is causing her pain. Could it be a scent that's causing her to break down? Maybe clothes she's wearing? Another thing to remember (I learned, also)is that it's more 'frequencys' than actual sound- and so much of this goes on in the world around them, than we pay attention to. Does she respond to pictures? Do2learn.com has wonderful free pictures to print. As they are so visual...that might help her communicate to you what hurts? Just some thoughts...I hope they may be of some help! Warm Wishes, Joan-'s Mom --- Amnesty wrote: > Are you SURE there's no pattern? Sometimes they are > hard to spot > until you take data on them for a while. Write down > the who, what, > where, when, and how. You might see some link. > Have you asked her why she screams? Or is she not > verbal enough to > answer? > If it's a stim, then ignoring it won't decrease it, > but telling her > she can only scream in certain places/times might > (like her room). > Stims are very hard to totally eliminate b/c they > are fun! But you > can reduce the frequency by making it less fun > (being alone, no > toys, etc) > Amnesty > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two > NT boys 8 and 3. > There is > > more to it than the sex of the child, > unfortunately no one knows > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > ------------------------ > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I used to wonder about the screaming, until I learned more and more about the issues our kids live with. With so many students in the classroom, your daughter could be on sensory overload, and suddenly she may feel like everything is coming at her like a freight train, and unable to filter out, to decide which thing to focus on. One autistic explains this by saying she can't look AND listen, and she has to concentrate so hard on what is being said. It's overwhelming (not to mention frustrating) and a lot of work to block out everything else. Dropping may not hurt, but a door closing may sound like a canon exploding to these kids. Some children report of hearing plants 'screaming'. My daughter can tell us BEFORE the phone rings,that it's ringing. Some can even her the blood rushing through their veins. Our daughter once (of many a time) started screaming at our daughter's house, at the dinner table. Everything was fine from one moment to the next, but my husband and I forced ourselves to stop and listen calmly and intently instead of focusing on her. Sure enough, we HEARD it! Someone in the next room had turned on the ball game...and it was low, but we heard the cheering. MY thoughts and prayers are with you...this is so difficult to live with, but I'm sure she's hearing something. Have you considered AIT?(Auditory Integration Therapy)We're about to begin with our daughter. It's very beneficial for some, I've read, Magnesium deficiencies can cause sound sensitivities, so more of that may help. but she is very, very like hearing something that is causing her pain. Could it be a scent that's causing her to break down? Maybe clothes she's wearing? Another thing to remember (I learned, also)is that it's more 'frequencys' than actual sound- and so much of this goes on in the world around them, than we pay attention to. Does she respond to pictures? Do2learn.com has wonderful free pictures to print. As they are so visual...that might help her communicate to you what hurts? Just some thoughts...I hope they may be of some help! Warm Wishes, Joan-'s Mom --- Amnesty wrote: > Are you SURE there's no pattern? Sometimes they are > hard to spot > until you take data on them for a while. Write down > the who, what, > where, when, and how. You might see some link. > Have you asked her why she screams? Or is she not > verbal enough to > answer? > If it's a stim, then ignoring it won't decrease it, > but telling her > she can only scream in certain places/times might > (like her room). > Stims are very hard to totally eliminate b/c they > are fun! But you > can reduce the frequency by making it less fun > (being alone, no > toys, etc) > Amnesty > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two > NT boys 8 and 3. > There is > > more to it than the sex of the child, > unfortunately no one knows > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > ------------------------ > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I used to wonder about the screaming, until I learned more and more about the issues our kids live with. With so many students in the classroom, your daughter could be on sensory overload, and suddenly she may feel like everything is coming at her like a freight train, and unable to filter out, to decide which thing to focus on. One autistic explains this by saying she can't look AND listen, and she has to concentrate so hard on what is being said. It's overwhelming (not to mention frustrating) and a lot of work to block out everything else. Dropping may not hurt, but a door closing may sound like a canon exploding to these kids. Some children report of hearing plants 'screaming'. My daughter can tell us BEFORE the phone rings,that it's ringing. Some can even her the blood rushing through their veins. Our daughter once (of many a time) started screaming at our daughter's house, at the dinner table. Everything was fine from one moment to the next, but my husband and I forced ourselves to stop and listen calmly and intently instead of focusing on her. Sure enough, we HEARD it! Someone in the next room had turned on the ball game...and it was low, but we heard the cheering. MY thoughts and prayers are with you...this is so difficult to live with, but I'm sure she's hearing something. Have you considered AIT?(Auditory Integration Therapy)We're about to begin with our daughter. It's very beneficial for some, I've read, Magnesium deficiencies can cause sound sensitivities, so more of that may help. but she is very, very like hearing something that is causing her pain. Could it be a scent that's causing her to break down? Maybe clothes she's wearing? Another thing to remember (I learned, also)is that it's more 'frequencys' than actual sound- and so much of this goes on in the world around them, than we pay attention to. Does she respond to pictures? Do2learn.com has wonderful free pictures to print. As they are so visual...that might help her communicate to you what hurts? Just some thoughts...I hope they may be of some help! Warm Wishes, Joan-'s Mom --- Amnesty wrote: > Are you SURE there's no pattern? Sometimes they are > hard to spot > until you take data on them for a while. Write down > the who, what, > where, when, and how. You might see some link. > Have you asked her why she screams? Or is she not > verbal enough to > answer? > If it's a stim, then ignoring it won't decrease it, > but telling her > she can only scream in certain places/times might > (like her room). > Stims are very hard to totally eliminate b/c they > are fun! But you > can reduce the frequency by making it less fun > (being alone, no > toys, etc) > Amnesty > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two > NT boys 8 and 3. > There is > > more to it than the sex of the child, > unfortunately no one knows > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > ------------------------ > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 That's why taking data is so important! It makes you really observe everything going on and watch for patterns. You might not realize that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on tv until you start looking at what you've written. Happens all the time to me and the parents I train in data collection. Amnesty > > > Hi Jen, > > > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two > > NT boys 8 and 3. > > There is > > > more to it than the sex of the child, > > unfortunately no one knows > > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > > ------------------------ > > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 That's why taking data is so important! It makes you really observe everything going on and watch for patterns. You might not realize that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on tv until you start looking at what you've written. Happens all the time to me and the parents I train in data collection. Amnesty > > > Hi Jen, > > > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two > > NT boys 8 and 3. > > There is > > > more to it than the sex of the child, > > unfortunately no one knows > > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > > ------------------------ > > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Yeah, hard part is getting faculty to take the data collection. I asked for that five mos ago, never got a thing. Debi > That's why taking data is so important! It makes you really observe > everything going on and watch for patterns. You might not realize > that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on tv until you > start looking at what you've written. Happens all the time to me and > the parents I train in data collection. > Amnesty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Yeah, hard part is getting faculty to take the data collection. I asked for that five mos ago, never got a thing. Debi > That's why taking data is so important! It makes you really observe > everything going on and watch for patterns. You might not realize > that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on tv until you > start looking at what you've written. Happens all the time to me and > the parents I train in data collection. > Amnesty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Yeah, hard part is getting faculty to take the data collection. I asked for that five mos ago, never got a thing. Debi > That's why taking data is so important! It makes you really observe > everything going on and watch for patterns. You might not realize > that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on tv until you > start looking at what you've written. Happens all the time to me and > the parents I train in data collection. > Amnesty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I don't think enough can be said about collecting data! I've kept a daily journal of everything that happens (down to what she eats, bowel movements, etc)since katie was little. Many issues are discovered, especially before the kids are verbal. Joan-'s mom --- Amnesty wrote: > That's why taking data is so important! It makes you > really observe > everything going on and watch for patterns. You > might not realize > that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on > tv until you > start looking at what you've written. Happens all > the time to me and > the parents I train in data collection. > Amnesty > > > > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and > two > > > NT boys 8 and 3. > > > There is > > > > more to it than the sex of the child, > > > unfortunately no one knows > > > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I don't think enough can be said about collecting data! I've kept a daily journal of everything that happens (down to what she eats, bowel movements, etc)since katie was little. Many issues are discovered, especially before the kids are verbal. Joan-'s mom --- Amnesty wrote: > That's why taking data is so important! It makes you > really observe > everything going on and watch for patterns. You > might not realize > that she's screaming everytime she hears baseball on > tv until you > start looking at what you've written. Happens all > the time to me and > the parents I train in data collection. > Amnesty > > > > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and > two > > > NT boys 8 and 3. > > > There is > > > > more to it than the sex of the child, > > > unfortunately no one knows > > > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Please do, ! She'll be in my prayers. Here in Michigan, when I went to my first seminar given by Sally Burton- Hoyle MD, Executive Director of the Autistic Society, she began by teaching us BEHAVIOR IS COMMUNICATION. Her brother was diagnosed Autistic in the '50s, and she advocates for The AI community using first hand experience from his life. She stresses that when our kids 'act out'it's their way to communicate, sensory overload, pain, frustration, etc...so it's so important to carefully observe behavior health issues, etc.. and always remember there's a reason for how they behave. Warm wishes,Joan-'s mom --- Sagginario wrote: > thanks Joan, I'll really have to pay attention to > that. I would of never thought it'd be from > discomfort, etc. I thought it was either a stim, > habit or attention seeking. We'll see... I'll keep > you posted. > jen > Re: Re: screaming > > > I used to wonder about the screaming, until I > learned more and more about the issues our kids > live > with. With so many students in the classroom, your > daughter could be on sensory overload, and > suddenly > she may feel like everything is coming at her like > a > freight train, and unable to filter out, to decide > which thing to focus on. One autistic explains > this by > saying she can't look AND listen, and she has to > concentrate so hard on what is being said. It's > overwhelming (not to mention frustrating) and a > lot of > work to block out everything else. Dropping may > not > hurt, but a door closing may sound like a canon > exploding to these kids. Some children report of > hearing plants 'screaming'. My daughter can tell > us > BEFORE the phone rings,that it's ringing. Some can > even her the blood rushing through their veins. > Our > daughter once (of many a time) started screaming > at > our daughter's house, at the dinner table. > Everything > was fine from one moment to the next, but my > husband > and I forced ourselves to stop and listen calmly > and > intently instead of focusing on her. Sure enough, > we > HEARD it! Someone in the next room had turned on > the > ball game...and it was low, but we heard the > cheering. > MY thoughts and prayers are with you...this is so > difficult to live with, but I'm sure she's hearing > something. Have you considered AIT?(Auditory > Integration Therapy)We're about to begin with our > daughter. It's very beneficial for some, I've > read, > Magnesium deficiencies can cause sound > sensitivities, > so more of that may help. but she is very, very > like > hearing something that is causing her pain. Could > it > be a scent that's causing her to break down? Maybe > clothes she's wearing? Another thing to remember > (I > learned, also)is that it's more 'frequencys' than > actual sound- and so much of this goes on in the > world > around them, than we pay attention to. Does she > respond to pictures? Do2learn.com has wonderful > free > pictures to print. As they are so visual...that > might > help her communicate to you what hurts? Just some > thoughts...I hope they may be of some help! Warm > Wishes, Joan-'s Mom > > > > > --- Amnesty wrote: > > Are you SURE there's no pattern? Sometimes they > are > > hard to spot > > until you take data on them for a while. Write > down > > the who, what, > > where, when, and how. You might see some link. > > Have you asked her why she screams? Or is she > not > > verbal enough to > > answer? > > If it's a stim, then ignoring it won't decrease > it, > > but telling her > > she can only scream in certain places/times > might > > (like her room). > > Stims are very hard to totally eliminate b/c > they > > are fun! But you > > can reduce the frequency by making it less fun > > (being alone, no > > toys, etc) > > Amnesty > > > > > > > Hi Jen, > > > > > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and > two > > NT boys 8 and 3. > > There is > > > more to it than the sex of the child, > > unfortunately no one knows > > what that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe > > > ------------------------ > > > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Jen, If she doesn't seem to be under distress it probably is not a sensory issue. If it appears out of the blue with little indication, than most likely it is for attention of self- stimulation. Try giving her a " reason " not to scream. Keep it positive, and reinforce the lack of screaming. For example, try to identify how frequently she screams (let say a couple times a day). Set up an interval reinforcement chart, whereby she earns a star every few hours for not screaming. After earning a few stars she gets a favorable reward. Keep it positive and have her put her stars on the chart. Each time help her count how many she has and how close she is to earning the next reward. This gives her a positive reason for curbing her own behavior. There are a variety of reinforcement procedures that can be used to decrease simple behaviors. In addition it is still important to identify the functions behind the behavior and to identify a replacement behavior to take its place, but many simple behaviors can be reduced by simply reinforcing the absence of it. Bill > Hi Jen, > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two NT boys 8 and 3. There is > more to it than the sex of the child, unfortunately no one knows what that is. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Jen, If she doesn't seem to be under distress it probably is not a sensory issue. If it appears out of the blue with little indication, than most likely it is for attention of self- stimulation. Try giving her a " reason " not to scream. Keep it positive, and reinforce the lack of screaming. For example, try to identify how frequently she screams (let say a couple times a day). Set up an interval reinforcement chart, whereby she earns a star every few hours for not screaming. After earning a few stars she gets a favorable reward. Keep it positive and have her put her stars on the chart. Each time help her count how many she has and how close she is to earning the next reward. This gives her a positive reason for curbing her own behavior. There are a variety of reinforcement procedures that can be used to decrease simple behaviors. In addition it is still important to identify the functions behind the behavior and to identify a replacement behavior to take its place, but many simple behaviors can be reduced by simply reinforcing the absence of it. Bill > Hi Jen, > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two NT boys 8 and 3. There is > more to it than the sex of the child, unfortunately no one knows what that is. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Jen, If she doesn't seem to be under distress it probably is not a sensory issue. If it appears out of the blue with little indication, than most likely it is for attention of self- stimulation. Try giving her a " reason " not to scream. Keep it positive, and reinforce the lack of screaming. For example, try to identify how frequently she screams (let say a couple times a day). Set up an interval reinforcement chart, whereby she earns a star every few hours for not screaming. After earning a few stars she gets a favorable reward. Keep it positive and have her put her stars on the chart. Each time help her count how many she has and how close she is to earning the next reward. This gives her a positive reason for curbing her own behavior. There are a variety of reinforcement procedures that can be used to decrease simple behaviors. In addition it is still important to identify the functions behind the behavior and to identify a replacement behavior to take its place, but many simple behaviors can be reduced by simply reinforcing the absence of it. Bill > Hi Jen, > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two NT boys 8 and 3. There is > more to it than the sex of the child, unfortunately no one knows what that is. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 My daughtor is low-functioning and is 14years old, still wears size 8, but one of the the stimulation things she does the most, she go to the couch or any piece of funiture and lean over as if the stand on her head, and will stand ther leaning over 10 or 15 min sometimes longer, I redirect her because it concerns me the blood rushing to her head, as a young child she would just any where bend down with hands touching the floor and just stand there , now she goes to the funiture, has anyone here seen or heard of a child doing this nasonbill wrote: Jen, If she doesn't seem to be under distress it probably is not a sensory issue. If it appears out of the blue with little indication, than most likely it is for attention of self- stimulation. Try giving her a " reason " not to scream. Keep it positive, and reinforce the lack of screaming. For example, try to identify how frequently she screams (let say a couple times a day). Set up an interval reinforcement chart, whereby she earns a star every few hours for not screaming. After earning a few stars she gets a favorable reward. Keep it positive and have her put her stars on the chart. Each time help her count how many she has and how close she is to earning the next reward. This gives her a positive reason for curbing her own behavior. There are a variety of reinforcement procedures that can be used to decrease simple behaviors. In addition it is still important to identify the functions behind the behavior and to identify a replacement behavior to take its place, but many simple behaviors can be reduced by simply reinforcing the absence of it. Bill > Hi Jen, > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two NT boys 8 and 3. There is > more to it than the sex of the child, unfortunately no one knows what that is. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 My daughtor is low-functioning and is 14years old, still wears size 8, but one of the the stimulation things she does the most, she go to the couch or any piece of funiture and lean over as if the stand on her head, and will stand ther leaning over 10 or 15 min sometimes longer, I redirect her because it concerns me the blood rushing to her head, as a young child she would just any where bend down with hands touching the floor and just stand there , now she goes to the funiture, has anyone here seen or heard of a child doing this nasonbill wrote: Jen, If she doesn't seem to be under distress it probably is not a sensory issue. If it appears out of the blue with little indication, than most likely it is for attention of self- stimulation. Try giving her a " reason " not to scream. Keep it positive, and reinforce the lack of screaming. For example, try to identify how frequently she screams (let say a couple times a day). Set up an interval reinforcement chart, whereby she earns a star every few hours for not screaming. After earning a few stars she gets a favorable reward. Keep it positive and have her put her stars on the chart. Each time help her count how many she has and how close she is to earning the next reward. This gives her a positive reason for curbing her own behavior. There are a variety of reinforcement procedures that can be used to decrease simple behaviors. In addition it is still important to identify the functions behind the behavior and to identify a replacement behavior to take its place, but many simple behaviors can be reduced by simply reinforcing the absence of it. Bill > Hi Jen, > > I also have a daughter (6) with autism and two NT boys 8 and 3. There is > more to it than the sex of the child, unfortunately no one knows what that is. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Yes have seen of this behavior much so and it is of not uncommon among young childrens and if not stopped can come into adult years but have only known of one adult who to still did of it. It is of maybe a play or self stim that was to bring of pleasure and such and maybe gives off the same as when I to like to lay in ways to see the angles of the celing and other things of the house in odd ways as it gives off distroted yet floaty like feel in me. Like some NT who to like to do roller coasters and or fast spinning rides the out field wheil on that ride gets distorted some and yet enjoyed at same time this is hte feel sometimes I to get when I to lay at angles of things but I to not do that one often except to my sofa and bed now but I to lay on the sofa or bed and or floor and just lay there looking . I to some times place of my feet and legs up on the sofa and lay back flat on the floor or will cross my legs over and sit in odd ways with back flat to the floor or bed. It is of fun and stimulating to me. So maybe you child is doing cause and effect game when she to turn of head down it gives off differetn somewhat distroted views or angles of the things she wants to see. Some of us with dx have sahred that we can see of 3 deminsionally is she is of doing that it is of to her like seeing the whole gemetrical design of an item in her perception by altering the angle or how she views it. It could also be to just play and she likes of it. Sondra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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