Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Wow, Id say you and your daughter are very fortunate. Micah hasn't been so fortunate, the worse the OCD gets, the less he's able to reason....the check list....was almost written about him. He's also got TS, so he has a double dose. I guess it shows how different all kids/adults with OCD can be. In a message dated 11/24/2008 12:15:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, Jordana120@... writes: I do agree that having OCD can impact performance because of the compulsions that interfere with learning or producing assignments, but certainly not on basic reasoning.? That seems outlandish. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Youre welcome! In a message dated 11/24/2008 11:31:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, lmatheos@... writes: , Thank you! I just order the book Teaching the Tiger. And thanks to everyone who's offered advice to me this past week, on nutrition, B8, and on patience. I was wrapped up in what was going on at home and I never formally said Thank You. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I am absolutely SHOCKED by this website.? I don't know how, but I want to find out more about the validity of the points made.? My daughter has pretty bad OCD, yet she is in the gifted program at school and so was I.? The number one characteristic that stands out when you meet my daughter is how incredibly verbal she is and just how really smart she is.? She scored perfectly in every single subtest of the state Language Arts and Math tests this past spring.? When my OCD was at its worst, I still did well at an Ivy League school despite throwing out my notes constantly due to contamination fears and being too afraid to look at my books a lot of the time.? Several of my friends kids have OCD and their kids are very good at school as well.? I do agree that having OCD can impact performance because of the compulsions that interfere with learning or producing assignments, but certainly not on basic reasoning.? That seems outlandish. Re: Re: OCD and learning Found a great web site about how OCD impacts learning, thought Id share it, incase no one had. _http://www.do2learn.com/disabilities/diagnosis/ocd/impactonlearning.htm_ (http://www.do2learn.com/disabilities/diagnosis/ocd/impactonlearning.htm) **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 The do2learn site is used a lot for those on the autism spectrum. And those on the spectrum often have obsessive behaviors/needs, strict rituals, etc. It's a great site for those who need pictures or check lists, etc. Just FYI for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Jordanna,  I tend to agree w/ you about this web site. My daughter has OCD and no other issues such as Aspergers or ADD. When OCD was at it's worst she was still a straight A student. Reading for her was a nightmare (would re-read over and over again). She repeatedly erased and rewrote her math. She went to school in tears everyday for two solid months. What should have been 10 minutes of homework would take 2 hours...but the basic school work, passing test and so on were not difficult for her. She didn't have any 'learning problems' b/c of OCD.   Of course not two kids are exactly the same... Subject: Re: Re: OCD and learning To: Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:13 PM I am absolutely SHOCKED by this website.? I don't know how, but I want to find out more about the validity of the points made.? My daughter has pretty bad OCD, yet she is in the gifted program at school and so was I.? The number one characteristic that stands out when you meet my daughter is how incredibly verbal she is and just how really smart she is.? She scored perfectly in every single subtest of the state Language Arts and Math tests this past spring.? When my OCD was at its worst, I still did well at an Ivy League school despite throwing out my notes constantly due to contamination fears and being too afraid to look at my books a lot of the time.? Several of my friends kids have OCD and their kids are very good at school as well.? I do agree that having OCD can impact performance because of the compulsions that interfere with learning or producing assignments, but certainly not on basic reasoning.? That seems outlandish. Re: Re: OCD and learning Found a great web site about how OCD impacts learning, thought Id share it, incase no one had. _http://www.do2learn .com/disabilitie s/diagnosis/ ocd/impactonlear ning.htm_ (http://www.do2learn .com/disabilitie s/diagnosis/ ocd/impactonlear ning.htm) ************ **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121296 2939x1200825291/ aol?redir= http://www. aol.com/? optin=new- dp %26icid=aolcom40van ity%26ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Yes, I agree, as TS kids tend to see in black and white. they have trouble understand puns, etc. Micah's abstract reasoning is still very limited. Ill give you an example, recently he asked about war, and who the bad guy was. I told him it depended on your point of view. If you were from side A, then side B was the bad guy, if from B then side A was bad. He couldn't grasp this concept, no matter how I tried, and he will be 12 Jan. He could only think in terms of right or wrong, black or white. He coudln't understand that both could be right, and both could be wrong. We had him tested for learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD, etc....but wont know until Dec 1 what the results are. He has Tourette's, so that is part of the problem. They say that TS kids are 2/3 their chronological age, so that would make him 8. In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:52:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, Jordana120@... writes: It sounds like two things are at work here. The writing sounds like it is definitely being affected by OCD compulsions. Another issue is that by 4th grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well in school. Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area that Micah is weak in. The stress of not understanding the work and being able to perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing his symptoms to increase. It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational evaluation to tickle out the different issues. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 It sounds like two things are at work here.  The writing sounds like it is definitely being affected by OCD compulsions.  Another issue is that by 4th grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well in school.  Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area that Micah is weak in.  The stress of not understanding the work and being able to perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing his symptoms to increase.  It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational evaluation to tickle out the different issues. Re: Re: OCD and learning That's the way it is here. Micah tested normal for intelligence...93. Not bad, but not great, but still within the normal range. Micah is also very creative, just not book smart...he really struggles with learning, and to remember. He loves to write, has been writing books since he was in K. Make that loved, he stopped writing this year, when the OCD took over his life. I pulled samples of his handwriting for the school, going back to 2nd grade. He was writing as you would expect until the end of 4th grade. Then his writing changed, it became large, disorganized, upper and lower case mixed t ogether. This is when he fist started touching things, but we didn't yet know what was going on. Now in the 6 grade...there is no longer any space between his words, letters are large, leaning left and right, on and off the line, its a mess. The OCD has stolen his desire to write, his imagination is still there, but he wont write anymore. It seems, from what I've read so far, the kids that have just OCD (like OCD isn't enough to deal with) do much better, they are very smart, and excel, but the kids that have OCD plus something else, they have to work so much harder just to get by. Micah studies for hours, and still gets Cs and Ds. But what's odd is that this is just this year. Up until now, he had been A/B honor roll, he got his first C at the end of 5th grade. The only changes....TS has gotten worse as has the OCD. Last year we noticed he was doing some odd things, but it didn't really send up a red flag, as it didn't interfere with his life, we just noticed, but didn't know what we were seeing. All that changed this year, I'm thinking because of puberty. I know puberty makes TS worse, but I don't know how it impacts OCD. But something has happened, he's not the same child he was last year, or all the years before. Its like someone snuck in, and in the middle of the night.... stole his abilities, and common sense, he had them, where'd they go? I'm hoping all is still there, just buried in confusion, and we will find our creative son again. Thankfully he's still the same thoughtful caring kid, that part of him hasn't changed, or gone into hiding. I'm hoping things will improve with meds for the OCD, and we will get back to where he had been, able to achieve A/B with hard work. In a message dated 11/24/2008 9:59:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, barbnesrallah@... writes: Hmmmm.... Well this one surely is individual I think. Our son does not fall into the " highly intelligent " category. Creative yes, and I do believe there are different forms of intelligence, so I believe our son has his areas. But when it comes to school we already had LD on board, so OCD just made it that much harder. Ours is two years behind now, and we are trying to streamline the process to make it as managable as possible. This aspect has been a very great challenge. Our son has said himself that it was nearly impossible for him to process information when he was at his most ill. Considering that he has an auditory processing defecit in the first place, this would make sense.... I know others in our=2 0support group who chuckle at the " intelligence " linked to kids with OCD, not their experience either. Guess we missed this " helping " in the mix! Wonder if this contributed to what they called " lack of insight " with our son??? (tongue in cheek) Barb **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 , I don't know much at all about TS.  I have not heard that TS kids see things in black and white or have such learning issues.  I am a learning specialist, so this is very interesting to me.  I will try to learn more about this.  The difficulty that Micah is having as you describe it is probably a big reason for the drop in grades.  It is very frustrating, especially with the current " No Child Left Behind " law, that currently there is a trend in public education today to teach in heterogenous classes in regular ed.  Thus, those children who don't have good abstract reasoning are stuck trying to learn next to children who can easily grasp such things.  When I was a kid, classes were grouped homogenously so that the instruction could be tailored to the children's learning abilities.  Is Micah receiving any special ed instruction? Re: Re: OCD and learning Yes, I agree, as TS kids tend to see in black and white. they have trouble understand puns, etc. Micah's abstract reasoning is still very limited. Ill give you an example, recently he asked about war, and who the bad guy was. I told him it depended on your point of view. If you were from side A, then side B was the bad20 guy, if from B then side A was bad. He couldn't grasp this concept, no matter how I tried, and he will be 12 Jan. He could only think in terms of right or wrong, black or white. He coudln't understand that both could be right, and both could be wrong. We had him tested for learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD, etc....but wont know until Dec 1 what the results are. He has Tourette's, so that is part of the problem. They say that TS kids are 2/3 their chronological age, so that would make him 8. In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:52:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, Jordana120@... writes: It sounds like two things are at work here. The writing sounds like it is definitely being affected by OCD compulsions. Another issue is that by 4th grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well in school. Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area that Micah is weak in. The stress of not understanding the work and being able to perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing his symptoms to increase. It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational evaluation to tickle out the different issues. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, y our social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hi, . I'm not real knowledgeable about TS, but wanted to say (in case you didn't know) black and white thinking can also be OCD. OCD needs absolutes, often with 100% guarantees, having it be one way or another. . No gray areas or in-betweens. Also kids with anxiety disorders are typically less mature than kids who do not have anxiety disorders. So, it sounds like Micah could get those two characteristics from both his TS and OCD. Somehow they seem to catch up though. We've seen that with Josh, time and again. It takes him longer to get there mentally and emotionally, but he does. BJ > > Yes, I agree, as TS kids tend to see in black and white. they have trouble > understand puns, etc. > > Micah's abstract reasoning is still very limited. Ill give you an example, > recently he asked about war, and who the bad guy was. I told him it depended > on your point of view. If you were from side A, then side B was the bad guy, > if from B then side A was bad. He couldn't grasp this concept, no matter how I > tried, and he will be 12 Jan. He could only think in terms of right or > wrong, black or white. He coudln't understand that both could be right, and both > could be wrong. > > We had him tested for learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD, etc....but wont know > until Dec 1 what the results are. He has Tourette's, so that is part of the > problem. They say that TS kids are 2/3 their chronological age, so that would > make him 8. > > > > > In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:52:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, > Jordana120@... writes: > > It sounds like two things are at work here. The writing sounds like it is > definitely being affected by OCD compulsions. Another issue is that by 4th > grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well in school. > Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area that Micah > is weak in. The stress of not understanding the work and being able to > perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing his symptoms to > increase. It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational evaluation > to tickle out the different issues. > > > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 , My son was the same way until we worked on a couple of things: 1. Simple kid joke books 2. Analogies 3. making inferences  We ordered lots of products from a company called Linguisystems and they have counselors you can talk to on the phone who can recommend products for your child based on your needs. I really like them because if you get something and it is not what you thought or is not working well, you can return it. They also have computer games, board games, etc depending on what skill you are choosing to work on. Good luck! in TN Subject: Re: Re: OCD and learning To: Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:57 PM , I don't know much at all about TS.  I have not heard that TS kids see things in black and white or have such learning issues.  I am a learning specialist, so this is very interesting to me.  I will try to learn more about this.  The difficulty that Micah is having as you describe it is probably a big reason for the drop in grades.  It is very frustrating, especially with the current " No Child Left Behind " law, that currently there is a trend in public education today to teach in heterogenous classes in regular ed.  Thus, those children who don't have good abstract reasoning are stuck trying to learn next to children who can easily grasp such things.  When I was a kid, classes were grouped homogenously so that the instruction could be tailored to the children's learning abilities.  Is Micah receiving any special ed instruction? Re: Re: OCD and learning Yes, I agree, as TS kids tend to see in black and white. they have trouble understand puns, etc. Micah's abstract reasoning is still very limited. Ill give you an example, recently he asked about war, and who the bad guy was. I told him it depended on your point of view. If you were from side A, then side B was the bad20 guy, if from B then side A was bad. He couldn't grasp this concept, no matter how I tried, and he will be 12 Jan. He could only think in terms of right or wrong, black or white. He coudln't understand that both could be right, and both could be wrong. We had him tested for learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD, etc....but wont know until Dec 1 what the results are. He has Tourette's, so that is part of the problem. They say that TS kids are 2/3 their chronological age, so that would make him 8. In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:52:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, Jordana120aol (DOT) com writes: It sounds like two things are at work here. The writing sounds like it is definitely being affected by OCD compulsions. Another issue is that by 4th grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well in school. Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area that Micah is weak in. The stress of not understanding the work and being able to perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing his symptoms to increase. It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational evaluation to tickle out the different issues. ************ **One site has it all. Your email accounts, y our social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121296 2939x1200825291/ aol?redir= http://www. aol.com/? optin=new- dp %26icid=aolcom40van ity%26ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 , My son was the same way until we worked on a couple of things: 1. Simple kid joke books 2. Analogies 3. making inferences  We ordered lots of products from a company called Linguisystems and they have counselors you can talk to on the phone who can recommend products for your child based on your needs. I really like them because if you get something and it is not what you thought or is not working well, you can return it. They also have computer games, board games, etc depending on what skill you are choosing to work on. Good luck! in TN Subject: Re: Re: OCD and learning To: Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:57 PM , I don't know much at all about TS.  I have not heard that TS kids see things in black and white or have such learning issues.  I am a learning specialist, so this is very interesting to me.  I will try to learn more about this.  The difficulty that Micah is having as you describe it is probably a big reason for the drop in grades.  It is very frustrating, especially with the current " No Child Left Behind " law, that currently there is a trend in public education today to teach in heterogenous classes in regular ed.  Thus, those children who don't have good abstract reasoning are stuck trying to learn next to children who can easily grasp such things.  When I was a kid, classes were grouped homogenously so that the instruction could be tailored to the children's learning abilities.  Is Micah receiving any special ed instruction? Re: Re: OCD and learning Yes, I agree, as TS kids tend to see in black and white. they have trouble understand puns, etc. Micah's abstract reasoning is still very limited. Ill give you an example, recently he asked about war, and who the bad guy was. I told him it depended on your point of view. If you were from side A, then side B was the bad20 guy, if from B then side A was bad. He couldn't grasp this concept, no matter how I tried, and he will be 12 Jan. He could only think in terms of right or wrong, black or white. He coudln't understand that both could be right, and both could be wrong. We had him tested for learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD, etc....but wont know until Dec 1 what the results are. He has Tourette's, so that is part of the problem. They say that TS kids are 2/3 their chronological age, so that would make him 8. In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:52:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, Jordana120aol (DOT) com writes: It sounds like two things are at work here. The writing sounds like it is definitely being affected by OCD compulsions. Another issue is that by 4th grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well in school. Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area that Micah is weak in. The stress of not understanding the work and being able to perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing his symptoms to increase. It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational evaluation to tickle out the different issues. ************ **One site has it all. Your email accounts, y our social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121296 2939x1200825291/ aol?redir= http://www. aol.com/? optin=new- dp %26icid=aolcom40van ity%26ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 , My son was the same way until we worked on a couple of things: 1. Simple kid joke books 2. Analogies 3. making inferences  We ordered lots of products from a company called Linguisystems and they have counselors you can talk to on the phone who can recommend products for your child based on your needs. I really like them because if you get something and it is not what you thought or is not working well, you can return it. They also have computer games, board games, etc depending on what skill you are choosing to work on. Good luck! in TN Subject: Re: Re: OCD and learning To: Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:57 PM , I don't know much at all about TS.  I have not heard that TS kids see things in black and white or have such learning issues.  I am a learning specialist, so this is very interesting to me.  I will try to learn more about this.  The difficulty that Micah is having as you describe it is probably a big reason for the drop in grades.  It is very frustrating, especially with the current " No Child Left Behind " law, that currently there is a trend in public education today to teach in heterogenous classes in regular ed.  Thus, those children who don't have good abstract reasoning are stuck trying to learn next to children who can easily grasp such things.  When I was a kid, classes were grouped homogenously so that the instruction could be tailored to the children's learning abilities.  Is Micah receiving any special ed instruction? Re: Re: OCD and learning Yes, I agree, as TS kids tend to see in black and white. they have trouble understand puns, etc. Micah's abstract reasoning is still very limited. Ill give you an example, recently he asked about war, and who the bad guy was. I told him it depended on your point of view. If you were from side A, then side B was the bad20 guy, if from B then side A was bad. He couldn't grasp this concept, no matter how I tried, and he will be 12 Jan. He could only think in terms of right or wrong, black or white. He coudln't understand that both could be right, and both could be wrong. We had him tested for learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD, etc....but wont know until Dec 1 what the results are. He has Tourette's, so that is part of the problem. They say that TS kids are 2/3 their chronological age, so that would make him 8. In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:52:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, Jordana120aol (DOT) com writes: It sounds like two things are at work here. The writing sounds like it is definitely being affected by OCD compulsions. Another issue is that by 4th grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well in school. Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area that Micah is weak in. The stress of not understanding the work and being able to perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing his symptoms to increase. It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational evaluation to tickle out the different issues. ************ **One site has it all. Your email accounts, y our social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121296 2939x1200825291/ aol?redir= http://www. aol.com/? optin=new- dp %26icid=aolcom40van ity%26ncid= emlcntaolcom0000 0001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I thought I'd jump in here, glad to see TS talked about here. My six year old son has TS and OCD PANDAS. I have been going around with the school on accomodations for a year. In his MFE he tested average ability. That means he qualifies for no help. I tried to make them understand that due to his disabilities things are much harder for him. I read examples from articles of areas he would need more help in. The team all decided at this time he needs no additional help. He only gets OT at school once a week under IDEA for his dygraphia and hyptonia. His tics are much worse now then they were at the beginning of the year. I believe it is stress related and immune because of recent strep going around the classroom. His handwriting is horrible and worse during waxing. I also do private OT once a week for motor issues. If you find a way to convince the school that his learning is affected even though his ability is good please let me know. Could someone here describe the psych educational testing? Lately my son's emotions are off the chart too. He has so much going on it is really overwhelming! > > > > Yes, I agree, as TS kids tend to see in black and white. they have > trouble > > understand puns, etc. > > > > Micah's abstract reasoning is still very limited. Ill give you an > example, > > recently he asked about war, and who the bad guy was. I told him it > depended > > on your point of view. If you were from side A, then side B was the > bad guy, > > if from B then side A was bad. He couldn't grasp this concept, no > matter how I > > tried, and he will be 12 Jan. He could only think in terms of right or > > wrong, black or white. He coudln't understand that both could be > right, and both > > could be wrong. > > > > We had him tested for learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD, etc....but > wont know > > until Dec 1 what the results are. He has Tourette's, so that is part > of the > > problem. They say that TS kids are 2/3 their chronological age, so > that would > > make him 8. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:52:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > Jordana120@ writes: > > > > It sounds like two things are at work here. The writing sounds > like it is > > definitely being affected by OCD compulsions. Another issue is that > by 4th > > grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well > in school. > > Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area > that Micah > > is weak in. The stress of not understanding the work and being > able to > > perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing > his symptoms to > > increase. It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational > evaluation > > to tickle out the different issues. > > > > > > > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social > networks, > > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > > > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 There is a difference in legal requirements between having to provide services because a child has special learning needs, thus an IEP, vs a child who needs accommodations due to a " handicapping condition " , thus a 504 plan.  While the school may not need to provide special instruction for your son because he is meeting his potential, they still have to provide accommodations for him with a 504 Plan if you can show that he has a disability that impacts his ability to benefit from school as other children do.  Have the dr. who diagnosed him write a letter with the diagnosis and how it can impact on his school day and his ability to handle assignments which you should use to call for a meeting to make a 504 plan for your son.  Re: OCD and learning I thought I'd jump in here, glad to see TS talked about here. My six year old son has TS and OCD PANDAS. I have been going around with the school on accomodations for a year. In his MFE he tested average ability. That means he qualifies for no help. I tried to make them understand that due to his disabilities things are much harder for him. I read examples from articles of areas he would need more help in. The team all decided at this time he needs no additional he lp. He only gets OT at school once a week under IDEA for his dygraphia and hyptonia. His tics are much worse now then they were at the beginning of the year. I believe it is stress related and immune because of recent strep going around the classroom. His handwriting is horrible and worse during waxing. I also do private OT once a week for motor issues. If you find a way to convince the school that his learning is affected even though his ability is good please let me know. Could someone here describe the psych educational testing? Lately my son's emotions are off the chart too. He has so much going on it is really overwhelming! > > > > Yes, I agree, as TS kids tend to see in black and white. they have > trouble > > understand puns, etc. > > > > Micah's abstract reasoning is still very limited. Ill give you an > example, > > recently he asked about war, and who the bad guy was. I told him it > depended > > on your point of view. If you were from side A, then side B was the > bad guy, > > if from B then side A was bad. He couldn't grasp this concept, no > matter how I > > tried, and he will be 12 Jan. He could only think in terms of right or > > wrong, black or white. He coudln't understand that both could be > right, and both > > could be wrong. > > > > We had him tested for learning disabilities, ADD, ADHD, etc....but > wont know > > until Dec 1 what the results are. He has Tourette's, so that is part > of the > > problem. They say that TS kids are 2/3 their chronological age, so > that would > > make him 8. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:52:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > Jordana120@ writes: > > > > It sounds like two things are at work here. The writing sounds > like it is > > definitely being affected by OCD compulsions .. Another issue is that > by 4th > > grade or higher, there is more abstract reasoning needed to do well > in school. > > Abstract reasoning is measured by the IQ test and may be an area > that Micah > > is weak in. The stress of not understanding the work and being > able to > > perform as well as he has in the past as a result may be causing > his symptoms to > > increase. It sounds like he needs a really good psychoeducational > evaluation > > to tickle out the different issues. > > > > > > > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social > networks, > > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > > > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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