Guest guest Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Hi Ben, I read the post below that you wrote to Sharon. It sounds like you are recommending against traditional ABA approaches with your recommendation about reinforcing a tantrum with a " break " but I am not so sure you are going about it the best possible way. I would be interested in discussing this with you (and for Sharon's sake) because although you are showing a more child friendly approach to ABA with your recommendation, I think you can use the recommendations of the VB approach to ABA with similar but even better results. Let me try to explain. It is basic behaviorism to understand that any behavior that meets with reinforcement will increase and if you are reinforcing tantrums with breaks chances are very good that the tantrums will come quicker and more often if they are consistently leading to escape from work. I am confident that in practice you are not letting this occur but someone reading your advice might not know how to walk this fine line (nor did you give recommendations about how to avoid this). One of the arguments you gave was about giving the break being a better choice than escape extinction. I agree that it is. But, here is how the recommendations of my book (and I would think a good percentage of VB people might suggest this situation be addressed). Instead of reinforcing the tantrum with a break, you want to be good at knowing your child's frustration levels and what you might be doing to push him past those frustration levels. Over time you want to offer your teaching in a way that is more reinforcing than being away from teaching would be. You want to be good about pushing the child to higher levels of participation and longer working periods but you want to do so by reinforcing just before the child is likely to begin to tantrum. When you do this, you are actually reinforcing the longer appropriate work period. Additionally, instead of reinforcing with a break (negative reinforcement) we would recommend that you reinforce with pairing activities that keep the child motivated to continue interaction with you (positive reinforcement). If you are good at pairing and outside rienforcement is appropriately restricted, the child will welcome this paired play time as a break from work and will want to continue following your directions as long as possible in order to have this paired reinforcment time again. Conversely, if you make a teaching mistake and push the child too far to the point of a refusal or tantrum, I would suggest that offering a break at this time is counterproductive in any approach of ABA. I would try to get the child to participate in a few more responses and then reinforce the fact that the child participated at a difficult time rather than continued tantrumming. Now here is where it gets a little tricky as to what someone might recommend. Some ABA and VB consultants would recommend using escape extinction during the refusal to get the compliance. (this is likely the cause of the tantrum) Like you, I would also avoid this. But I would do so with basic extinction. Meaning that if the child refused to follow an instruction, instead of holding him there and having him tantrum, I would turn the tables on him and send him away from the teaching setting. However, I would be sure that I had full access to all the fun activities in the environment and that he did not. This way, although, like you said, he is getting his " needed " break, it came at my control (not his) and the value of that break is not nearly the same as working with me until the next pairing activity would have been. (basically it becomes like a time-out procedure). The longer the child is on his self-imposed break (or better yet a break that I imposed as a consequence to lower than acceptable participation) the longer he goes without access to reinforcement, without access to my attention and pairing fun. Assuming that my reinforcement value is high and my pairing is truly reinforcing, the child will very quickly try to re-engage me in these fun activities. When he does, I say sure but we have to finish this first and repeat the instruction that he walked away from or (I sent him away from). Once the child has shown me he is willing to participate, I will let him re-engage in my teaching, I will then reinforce this choice by resuming my current teaching-Reiforcement(pairing) ratio. After the session or during my next free moment, I will then try to identify what happened that caused him to walk away from my teaching or refuse to participate at an appropriate level. Was I too repetitive, too slow with my SD's, not prompting as much as needed, going longer than the expected Variable ratio I have been working with, etc.? What this will do is not reinforce the tantrum or refusal (although the child technically does take a break) It will motivate the child to want to stay engaged with me longer, and it will allow me not to need escape extinction which unfortunately causes the child to see my teaching setting as a forced interaction and not an interaction that he is choosing to be a part of. What we have found in our institute for 3+ years now is that in almost every case the self-imposed or teacher-imposed extinction breaks dramatically reduce in frequency and length (in some cases completely disappear) as the child deems the learning setting more rewarding than the escape setting and begins using better compliance behaviors to be able to maintain the teaching setting. To me, this extended VB approach is the best of all worlds and what my book " ETR " professes. Conceptually, What are your thoughts? ________________________ Schramm, MA, BCBA www.lulu.com/knospe-aba www.knospe-aba.com ________________________ Re: [VerbalBehavior] Teaching fluency? or prompt dependency? Hi Sharon, I've been hearing that for years: if the kid isn't responding or tantruming, don't let him go because you're reinforcing escape behavior. Not true at all. Think about it: the kid is not responding, he's tantruming, why? Because whatever the therapist is doing is a)too difficult, b)too boring c)reinforcer burnout, d) someone told him Barney died. A lot of reasons. When I'm burnt doing paperwork, I take a break. I come back refreshed and ready to roll. Why would it be any different w/kids? And when they come back, do exactly as you suggest: easy trials of previously mastered stuff, sneak in the hard one, back to easy, two hard ones, etc. Try it, you'll find that kids that can't communicate sometimes just need that break. ben <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a PS3 game guru. 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