Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Basic Question I've been reading the messages on this group for quiet awhile now and although I don't think I presently have cancer I've had many friends and relatives die from it in the past. I presently have friends with cancer, most treating it through traditional methods of radiation and chemo. My basic question is this....Is there anyone in this group that was diagnosed with cancer and has had it cured by following Doctor 's program with no radiation, surgery or chemo? Thank you. Thanks Kathy; I would like to know this as well..I mean to actually hear it from one of the members of this " group " ; rather than just reading about it as a testimony from some time ago, and as one that can be verified on line...It's not that I doubt the truthfullness of the testimonies that I've read but the reality is that someone may have written a glowing report as that was their experience we'll say months ago; but things may have changed since then and indeed; someone may have relapsed and died... Just to give an example...I read many glowing reports about the effectiveness of " Laetrile " or Apricot seeds and in fact I was very impressed with my first experience with the seeds and even testified of how it was healing me...However after a couple of months of doing the seeds religiously; the tumour came forth with a vengeance and if I had not began experimenting with other programs such as Dr's parasite cleanse; I would be in deep trouble right now; I can tell you.. Since then I have not written back to the " seed people " as it would be too embarrassing to them to have me testify that although the seeds " stalled " the advance of the tumour; it was but for a short time..It causes me to wonder about how many people who claimed that they were healed by the apricot seeds or the oil were actually healed and still alive today without having to resort to other treatment such as radiation and chemo..I've had this same experience with other products as well that were lauded as " cures for cancer " though not in these exact same words... I intend to carry through with this program as I have seen a definitive improvement in my health and this time I will continue to report on my progress be it " good or bad " ..And so as this person Kathy suggests; it would be good to hear from a " recent " survivor who can testify of their healing and give a detailed report of the sequence of healing processes..For instance I would be willing to communicate with anyone the details and analysis of my disease as diagnosed with the oncologists and my progress; also in detail; should anyone wish to know.. And so it would be good to hear from someone on an " interactive " basis rather than as a " history " that may have gone through some major changes since being written..This would help many readers who are trying to determine the viability of this particular program..Yes? melville ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Under the files section on this board is info on Andy's recommended supplements. Yes, the vitamin and minerals support, the chelators pull and some bind it out as well. Anyone with metal issues is deficient in many nutrients anyway and should take vitamins. I do think that B vitamins are important as well, just make sure they are yeast free. A basic supplement list might look like this: Probiotics Vitamin C B complex Zinc Magnesium Selenium (yeast free also) Molybendum Milk thistle: to support liver Vit E Flax oil or Borage oil: EFA's Vit A Chromium There are others that can be taken as well. Check out the files for dosing and any other supplements that might help as well as any chelator information. > > Am I correct on my thinking that giving antioxidants and supplements > such as Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Zinc, Magensium and Selenium help support > the body to detoxify on its own and chelators actually pull the metals > out? Are the supplements I previously listed the biggies? > > I am not smart when it comes to computers. Someone sent me the link to > the following site to help me locate Andy's recommended supplements: > http://tinyurl.com./rp655 Anyways, it didn't get me there. I do have > Andy's Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities and Amalgam > Illness. Is all the info. I need in these books or is there additional > info. > > Guys, you have been so kind. I am very so grateful for all of your > support. You are amazing. Thank you. Melinda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 all I know is it is super high in sodium Dee Tampa FL In a message dated 8/18/2006 9:07:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, annamac1999@... writes: hi all, i have a quick question. i love using the ramon noodle packets instead of plain broth. does anyone know the calorie count of just the packet without the noodles? thanks, anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I can't site literature for you, but I can tell you as a parent that that is absolute balderdash! My son has done a VB program for the last 4 years and made more progress than he did in any other therapy. He generalizes what he learns and very much uses logic and problem solving skills on his own. Quiet doesn't always mean " shy " A tantrum doesn't always mean naughty AUTISM Would you know it if you saw it? ----Original Message Follows---- From: " hatteralice " <hatteralice@...> Subject: [ ] Basic Question Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:44:08 -0000 I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote problem solving and logic for the child. Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in not true? Thanks Alice _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?\ icid=HMFebtagline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I can't site literature for you, but I can tell you as a parent that that is absolute balderdash! My son has done a VB program for the last 4 years and made more progress than he did in any other therapy. He generalizes what he learns and very much uses logic and problem solving skills on his own. Quiet doesn't always mean " shy " A tantrum doesn't always mean naughty AUTISM Would you know it if you saw it? ----Original Message Follows---- From: " hatteralice " <hatteralice@...> Subject: [ ] Basic Question Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:44:08 -0000 I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote problem solving and logic for the child. Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in not true? Thanks Alice _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?\ icid=HMFebtagline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I would be inclinced to ask the Lovaas provider why no-no-prompt promotes problem solving. Both n-n-p and errorless deliver the prompt, which facilitates the learning. What delaying the prompt promotes is frustration, which ultimately impedes problem solving by reducing the learner's willingness to stay in the learning situation. S Oliver <sunah98@...> wrote: I can't site literature for you, but I can tell you as a parent that that is absolute balderdash! My son has done a VB program for the last 4 years and made more progress than he did in any other therapy. He generalizes what he learns and very much uses logic and problem solving skills on his own. Quiet doesn't always mean " shy " A tantrum doesn't always mean naughty AUTISM Would you know it if you saw it? ----Original Message Follows---- From: " hatteralice " Subject: [ ] Basic Question Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:44:08 -0000 I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote problem solving and logic for the child. Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in not true? Thanks Alice _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?\ icid=HMFebtagline Post message: Subscribe: -subscribe Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & communities. Links --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with on your mobile. Get started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I would be inclinced to ask the Lovaas provider why no-no-prompt promotes problem solving. Both n-n-p and errorless deliver the prompt, which facilitates the learning. What delaying the prompt promotes is frustration, which ultimately impedes problem solving by reducing the learner's willingness to stay in the learning situation. S Oliver <sunah98@...> wrote: I can't site literature for you, but I can tell you as a parent that that is absolute balderdash! My son has done a VB program for the last 4 years and made more progress than he did in any other therapy. He generalizes what he learns and very much uses logic and problem solving skills on his own. Quiet doesn't always mean " shy " A tantrum doesn't always mean naughty AUTISM Would you know it if you saw it? ----Original Message Follows---- From: " hatteralice " Subject: [ ] Basic Question Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:44:08 -0000 I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote problem solving and logic for the child. Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in not true? Thanks Alice _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?\ icid=HMFebtagline Post message: Subscribe: -subscribe Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & communities. Links --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with on your mobile. Get started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I think that others have addressed how this statement is not true. I would like to add that the No-No-Prompt procedure is only supposed to be used when a child makes an error on a known/mastered item. This is true regardless of the " type " of aba program you are using. When a child is learning a skill, the most to least prompt hierarchy should still be used with transfer trials. " A Work In Progress " discusses n-n-p as a tool for correcting mastered items. e <http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can <http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA Executive Director Potential, Inc. 638 Newtown Yardley Road <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz =Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us> Commons West, Suite 1F Newtown, PA 18940 kquinby@... www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/> tel: tel2: fax: 888-AUTISM-0 215-579-0670 215-766-3832 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8589960430 & v0=50595 & k0=1679972177> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? [ ] Basic Question I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote problem solving and logic for the child. Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in not true? Thanks Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I think that others have addressed how this statement is not true. I would like to add that the No-No-Prompt procedure is only supposed to be used when a child makes an error on a known/mastered item. This is true regardless of the " type " of aba program you are using. When a child is learning a skill, the most to least prompt hierarchy should still be used with transfer trials. " A Work In Progress " discusses n-n-p as a tool for correcting mastered items. e <http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can <http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA Executive Director Potential, Inc. 638 Newtown Yardley Road <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz =Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us> Commons West, Suite 1F Newtown, PA 18940 kquinby@... www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/> tel: tel2: fax: 888-AUTISM-0 215-579-0670 215-766-3832 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8589960430 & v0=50595 & k0=1679972177> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? [ ] Basic Question I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote problem solving and logic for the child. Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in not true? Thanks Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I do not ever use the No-No-Prompt procedure. When my students miss a mastered skill, I just represent my SD, Prompt the correct answer, do a transfer trial, then do some other maintenance skills and come back and re-test the missed item again. Shauna > > I think that others have addressed how this statement is not true. I would > like to add that the No-No-Prompt procedure is only supposed to be used when > a child makes an error on a known/mastered item. This is true regardless of > the " type " of aba program you are using. When a child is learning a skill, > the most to least prompt hierarchy should still be used with transfer > trials. " A Work In Progress " discusses n-n-p as a tool for correcting > mastered items. > > e > > > > <http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can > <http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn > > > e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA > Executive Director Potential, Inc. > 638 Newtown Yardley Road > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz > =Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us> > Commons West, Suite 1F > Newtown, PA 18940 > kquinby@... > www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/> > tel: > tel2: > fax: 888-AUTISM-0 > 215-579-0670 > 215-766-3832 > > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8589960430 & v0=50595 & k0=1679972177> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > [ ] Basic Question > > > > I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas > style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote > problem solving and logic for the child. > > Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in > not true? > > Thanks > Alice > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I do not ever use the No-No-Prompt procedure. When my students miss a mastered skill, I just represent my SD, Prompt the correct answer, do a transfer trial, then do some other maintenance skills and come back and re-test the missed item again. Shauna > > I think that others have addressed how this statement is not true. I would > like to add that the No-No-Prompt procedure is only supposed to be used when > a child makes an error on a known/mastered item. This is true regardless of > the " type " of aba program you are using. When a child is learning a skill, > the most to least prompt hierarchy should still be used with transfer > trials. " A Work In Progress " discusses n-n-p as a tool for correcting > mastered items. > > e > > > > <http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can > <http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn > > > e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA > Executive Director Potential, Inc. > 638 Newtown Yardley Road > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz > =Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us> > Commons West, Suite 1F > Newtown, PA 18940 > kquinby@... > www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/> > tel: > tel2: > fax: 888-AUTISM-0 > 215-579-0670 > 215-766-3832 > > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8589960430 & v0=50595 & k0=1679972177> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > [ ] Basic Question > > > > I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas > style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote > problem solving and logic for the child. > > Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in > not true? > > Thanks > Alice > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I do as well but I was just trying to make the point that n-n-p is overused in 'lovaas' programs. e <http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can <http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA Executive Director Potential, Inc. 638 Newtown Yardley Road <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz =Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us> Commons West, Suite 1F Newtown, PA 18940 kquinby@... www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/> tel: tel2: fax: 888-AUTISM-0 215-579-0670 215-766-3832 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8589960430 & v0=50595 & k0=1679972177> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? [ ] Basic Question > > > > I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas > style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote > problem solving and logic for the child. > > Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in > not true? > > Thanks > Alice > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I do as well but I was just trying to make the point that n-n-p is overused in 'lovaas' programs. e <http://www.potentialinc.org/> Where everyone can <http://www.autismbehaviorconsut.com/> learn e Quinby, M.Ed., BCBA Executive Director Potential, Inc. 638 Newtown Yardley Road <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=638+Newtown+Yardley+Road & csz =Newtown%2C+PA+18940 & country=us> Commons West, Suite 1F Newtown, PA 18940 kquinby@... www.potentialinc.org <http://www.potentialinc.org/> tel: tel2: fax: 888-AUTISM-0 215-579-0670 215-766-3832 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8589960430 & v0=50595 & k0=1679972177> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? [ ] Basic Question > > > > I have one more question on an aba technique. My provider (lovaas > style) asserts that vb's use of errorless learning does not promote > problem solving and logic for the child. > > Is this accurate? Could someone explain how this is true OR why this in > not true? > > Thanks > Alice > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Reg Reynolds You guys (e, , Wil, etc., etc) are so good. It is a privilege to be part of a list that you are on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Reg Reynolds You guys (e, , Wil, etc., etc) are so good. It is a privilege to be part of a list that you are on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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