Guest guest Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Sharon, I cannot remember which list you are on so I am forwarding this associated post to the reinforcing a tantrum discussion. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Lynette <lynette_r@...> " VerbalBehavior " <VerbalBehavior > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 4:37:27 PM Subject: [VerbalBehavior] Re:reinforcing a tantrum I can support suggestion as I am actually utilizing his approach (to the best I can understand it) with a child I have only been teaching for about three months. The first six weeks or so I did my traditional pairing , fading in demand, and then met with extreme resistance when trying to teach new material. The child had a history of resistance to table work and could tantrum like no other. It was about this time that I read book. One should also understand that I came from the traditional Lovaas style aba which was all we had available 12 years ago when my daughter started her therapy. So the vb approach with lots of pairing and teaching away from the table was already a departure for me , tho I had adapted a lot of what I do since the big Carbone invasion about 8 years ago. Because I had just started with this child it was easy to transition to 's approach. Though I lack total conficence in my ability to not only implement the suggestions but also guide the family in doing the same, I can tell you the results are blowing me away. The child who tantrummed at the first physical prompt for a new nvi response is now acquiring new responses within two sessions and yesterday performed a novel response during a song with no prompt at all! What I did was just as suggests - initially I worked in one small room ( doesn't necessarily suggest this but I find it easier to control reinforcement in the environment) and completely took control of all the childs favorite items. Spending a large amount of time pairing, coupled with the arsenal of beloved " stimmy things " has created a situation where the child will approach me if I stop interacting or get out an activity. I am able to prompt without evoking a tantrum for the most part - however it is still in the building stage so I do at times push too much at which time I allow the child to leave but since there was no earning of the highly desired reinforcers I am getting very weak and short objections.The child is returning to try again. At that point I can back down on the demand for a couple trials or sing a song to reinforce returning ,then go back to the acquistion task unless I decide that it was inappropriate. I have not had to use escape extinction and I am now able to work with the child around the home and enjoying the development of actual instructional control. I do not feel that I am reinforcing the tantrumming ,or at this point the resistance, because of the aspect of differential reinforcement involved. And I am seeing the value of child choice. I am also seeing , with amazement I might add, how much the child is actually capable of but was not showing us due to a high level of investment in avoidance and control behaviors. I will add the process is much more challenging with an established program where the child is used to controlling others with their behavior. More to come on that. 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Guest guest Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Sharon, I cannot remember which list you are on so I am forwarding this associated post to the reinforcing a tantrum discussion. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Lynette <lynette_r@...> " VerbalBehavior " <VerbalBehavior > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 4:37:27 PM Subject: [VerbalBehavior] Re:reinforcing a tantrum I can support suggestion as I am actually utilizing his approach (to the best I can understand it) with a child I have only been teaching for about three months. The first six weeks or so I did my traditional pairing , fading in demand, and then met with extreme resistance when trying to teach new material. The child had a history of resistance to table work and could tantrum like no other. It was about this time that I read book. One should also understand that I came from the traditional Lovaas style aba which was all we had available 12 years ago when my daughter started her therapy. So the vb approach with lots of pairing and teaching away from the table was already a departure for me , tho I had adapted a lot of what I do since the big Carbone invasion about 8 years ago. Because I had just started with this child it was easy to transition to 's approach. Though I lack total conficence in my ability to not only implement the suggestions but also guide the family in doing the same, I can tell you the results are blowing me away. The child who tantrummed at the first physical prompt for a new nvi response is now acquiring new responses within two sessions and yesterday performed a novel response during a song with no prompt at all! What I did was just as suggests - initially I worked in one small room ( doesn't necessarily suggest this but I find it easier to control reinforcement in the environment) and completely took control of all the childs favorite items. Spending a large amount of time pairing, coupled with the arsenal of beloved " stimmy things " has created a situation where the child will approach me if I stop interacting or get out an activity. I am able to prompt without evoking a tantrum for the most part - however it is still in the building stage so I do at times push too much at which time I allow the child to leave but since there was no earning of the highly desired reinforcers I am getting very weak and short objections.The child is returning to try again. At that point I can back down on the demand for a couple trials or sing a song to reinforce returning ,then go back to the acquistion task unless I decide that it was inappropriate. I have not had to use escape extinction and I am now able to work with the child around the home and enjoying the development of actual instructional control. I do not feel that I am reinforcing the tantrumming ,or at this point the resistance, because of the aspect of differential reinforcement involved. And I am seeing the value of child choice. I am also seeing , with amazement I might add, how much the child is actually capable of but was not showing us due to a high level of investment in avoidance and control behaviors. I will add the process is much more challenging with an established program where the child is used to controlling others with their behavior. More to come on that. 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