Re: ammonia levels

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Central Iowa has a hazardous waste disposal site. I gotta

admit I just throw my old meds away, but I should probably contact the agency

to get the real scoop.

m

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Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Janet

Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:15 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: Re: Re: ammonia levels

Man tough decision. Both can get into the water table. You

remember that new article that circulated the internet for a while, saying that

there was drugs in the drinking water from people flushing their meds and from

waste.

Flush it, heck what could it hurt. There already is

anti-botics, anti-depressants and so forth in the drinking water, a little

lactulose might be good for the general public. LOL

Just kidding. I am over worked and not paid at all at this

point.

Love

Janet

butchholland2002 wrote:

I just looked on bottle and it

goes out 06/08. That's only a couple

weaks and that is cutting it too close. It was filled 12/06. That's a

year and a half. I agree with you a year is too long for me, New

problem: Do I pour it down the drain or send it too the land fill,

Anyone know??????

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> Medications are good for one year past the sale date.

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> From: Hepatitis_C_Central

> [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ]

On Behalf Of

butchholland2002

> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:43 AM

> To: Hepatitis_C_Central

> Subject: Re: ammonia levels

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> Michale said my lactulose is out of date, I kinda of figured.

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" There are souls in this world that have the gift of

finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go "

Frederick Faber

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I usually don't have old meds to throw away. I am one of those kinds of people that if the doctor says take 3 times a day till done. Then I do it. My insulin needles they tell us in the state of Oklahoma we are allow to throw them in the trash if: we put it in detergent bottle, they are thicker and less likely to break. Add, cement. Yeah but found out you can get small amounts of it at Wal-Mart in the craft department. Probably can get it at Lowes too for small projects. Then tape the top of the botton secure. And throw it in the trash. Now I have been to the dump. When we were doing construction on the house, I had lots of stuff to toss. I have seen those big earth movers. Do they think a little cement and a detergent bottle is going to keep the workers safe from the needles? Hopefully they wear good boots while walking around in that stuff. I put a bleach solution in my bottles just to

be extra cautious, and then use the dry power cement to put in my bottles. That way the bleach gets in the needles, I take them apart so that it can get into the syringe. I am OCD that way. LOL Love Janet wrote: Central Iowa has a hazardous waste disposal site. I gotta admit

I just throw my old meds away, but I should probably contact the agency to get the real scoop. m From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JanetSent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:15 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Re: Re: ammonia levels Man tough decision. Both can get into the water table. You remember that new article that circulated the internet for a while, saying that there was drugs in the drinking water from people flushing their meds and from waste. Flush it, heck what could it hurt. There already is anti-botics, anti-depressants and so forth in the drinking water, a little lactulose might be good for the general public. LOL Just kidding. I am over worked and not paid at all at this point. Love Janetbutchholland2002 <butchholland2002> wrote: I just looked on bottle and it goes out 06/08. That's only a couple weaks and that is cutting it too close. It was filled 12/06. That's a year and a half. I agree with you a year is too long for me, New problem: Do I pour it down the drain or send it too the land fill, Anyone know?????? >> Medications are good for one year past the sale date.> > > > From: Hepatitis_C_Central > [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of butchholland2002> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:43 AM> To: Hepatitis_C_Central > Subject: Re: ammonia levels> > > > Michale said my lactulose is out of date, I kinda of figured.> "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

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Sharen and Janet

Sharon thanks for the ball pun..funny

To both doctors went by by over a year ago. Had great job traveling

world on research ship's as a sound source tech. Worked sick for long

time and could not say anything or lose job. Off the coast of Barbadoes

Things took a turn for the worst and 5 people went in water because of

me, They all lived wich is a huge mirical but I could not live with

that.

By the time we got to Surinam south America I had to take the LONG

walk and tell my boss I had been working sick. Because it was a

demanding and dangerous job they had to chopper me off. When I got back

to states I was put on perminant disability of $1.267.00 mth pluss full

medical. A huge drop in pay but livable after I deversifide AKA sold

all my good stuff. Then had to move a lot and change doctors a lot till

I baught a house near lake livingston Texas. It was out in country and

not many doctors and the ones I found were not so good, anyway I made

it another 4 years till my insurance company The Hartford Company and

my Doctors had some great phone chats and decided that with elevated

ammonia levels and stage 3 cerosis pluss dibalitating bone problems

from interferion that I was A-ok and could work in a dump or coal mine.

There are no cole mines in Texas and have never even seen one but

I " looked good " there words and my doc said all my problems were stress

I lost my disability. Had filed for social security a month pryer and

automatically sighned up for SSI. Of course I lost SSi because I still

had an income and not approved for social security. Month later

disability ended. I faught but ended up losing home and moving to

Georgia. Here I tried to refile for SSI but told I could not have 2

aplications at same time and had to wait for ruling for SS. That would

take 1 year to 900 days. Then I find out I am going to lose SS because

I have not been to doctor in over a year so I applyed for medicade or

medicare I forget wich. They finally told me I was not elegable because

I might be eligable for SSI. To recap I can't get medicade till I get

SSI that I can't get till I get SS that I will autonaticly lose because

I cant get medicade to see a doctor. Who's on first , what's on second.

Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right and here I am stuck in the

middle with bad balls. No money no income no insurance no doctors.

My government loves me " pic of stick man bent over with jar of vasoline "

The insanity never ends. So what do I do????????????

I just want to go back to work and to h*** with my government. Can't

do that eather. Think I will write a country song " the day my life

went to Hep prison "

Thanks for the help though

Have a gooed-en

Butch

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> I'm not a guy, but I'd want to KNOW what that bump is. I have to

pester my doc until he gives in and does any particular kind of test.

I'd think a biopsy would be relatively easy in your case. PESTER the

HE!! out of him or find a poverty doc.

> If it FEELS serious to you, that's when you get on the ball (pun) and

find out what's going on. I'm not a guy and certainly not a doc, but

that's what I'd do in your shoes.

> Sharon in NW Washington

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As to medical insurance I am about like you Butch. Damn wish you still lived in Texas. I would come visit ya. I was on Tricare(Military insurance) Dean is retired Reserves and he was on Active duty was called up for the war in Iraq, and we could still get it if we paid for it. Well I did. But they changed the rates on me, and I didn't realize it. I paid the same amount for years. Always went to fill a prescription and they said my Tricare was not enforce any longer. I said what the heck. I called Tri-care was told about the back balance and I of course paid it. Then they said I owed another 500.00 to get it back. I said to heck with that. I fought with them for about 6 months, paid them over a 1000.00 and they still said I needed more. I think someone was making mistakes on their part. Because I had all my records. I was very sick at the time, and told my husband if you want to take this battle go for it. He said forget

about it. So for the last 4 years we have been without medical insurance. Me, I am lucky, I can use the Indian Health Care System. There is a Indian Hospital just 50 miles away. Problem is that they don't treat Hepatitis C, just the symptoms of it. That means if I have problems with say ammonia levels then they will treat it. But more than likely not provide the medication if it is not in their pharmacy. So that would be a out of pocket expense. I am thank for them that they do treat my diabetes and provide the medication. That is a expense that I don't have to have. And they will provide medication for depression (I have bi-polar disorder). So that is provided as long as I continue to see a therapist. Good thing about Dean's new job is it comes with insurance. Yeah baby. And I am going back to work since I have made efforts to improve my health. Yeah, I still feel the disease when I over work myself, like I

have been doing lately. But like I told my husband last night. I still have the disease. I still get fatiqued and I am not 20 anymore. But I do what I can do, and that is the best I can do. He is achin' too, from the non stop work he has been doing on the house also. The good thing, is it is looking great and we should get close to our asking price. Love Janetbutchholland2002 wrote: Sharen and

JanetSharon thanks for the ball pun..funnyTo both doctors went by by over a year ago. Had great job traveling world on research ship's as a sound source tech. Worked sick for long time and could not say anything or lose job. Off the coast of Barbadoes Things took a turn for the worst and 5 people went in water because of me, They all lived wich is a huge mirical but I could not live with that.By the time we got to Surinam south America I had to take the LONG walk and tell my boss I had been working sick. Because it was a demanding and dangerous job they had to chopper me off. When I got back to states I was put on perminant disability of $1.267.00 mth pluss full medical. A huge drop in pay but livable after I deversifide AKA sold all my good stuff. Then had to move a lot and change doctors a lot till I baught a house near lake livingston Texas. It was out in country and not many doctors and the ones I found were

not so good, anyway I made it another 4 years till my insurance company The Hartford Company and my Doctors had some great phone chats and decided that with elevated ammonia levels and stage 3 cerosis pluss dibalitating bone problems from interferion that I was A-ok and could work in a dump or coal mine.There are no cole mines in Texas and have never even seen one but I "looked good" there words and my doc said all my problems were stress I lost my disability. Had filed for social security a month pryer and automatically sighned up for SSI. Of course I lost SSi because I still had an income and not approved for social security. Month later disability ended. I faught but ended up losing home and moving to Georgia. Here I tried to refile for SSI but told I could not have 2 aplications at same time and had to wait for ruling for SS. That would take 1 year to 900 days. Then I find out I am going to lose SS because I have

not been to doctor in over a year so I applyed for medicade or medicare I forget wich. They finally told me I was not elegable because I might be eligable for SSI. To recap I can't get medicade till I get SSI that I can't get till I get SS that I will autonaticly lose because I cant get medicade to see a doctor. Who's on first , what's on second.Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right and here I am stuck in the middle with bad balls. No money no income no insurance no doctors.My government loves me" pic of stick man bent over with jar of vasoline"The insanity never ends. So what do I do????????????I just want to go back to work and to h*** with my government. Can't do that eather. Think I will write a country song " the day my life went to Hep prison"Thanks for the help thoughHave a gooed-enButch>> I'm not a guy, but I'd want to KNOW what that bump is. I have to pester my doc until he gives in and does any particular kind of test. I'd think a biopsy would be relatively easy in your case. PESTER the HE!! out of him or find a poverty doc. > If it FEELS serious to you, that's when you get on the ball (pun) and find out what's going on. I'm not a guy and certainly not a doc, but that's what I'd do in your shoes.> Sharon in NW Washington"There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

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Butch, find a SS lawyer, that particular branch of the gov/t LOVES to make people squeal. I got a lawyer to fight for me and after 2 years, got my disability. I know it’s a 3 or 4 ring circus, but you gotta jump through the hoops to get it, the only way. A lawyer will take a cut of your retro, but she will jump the hoops for you and that's worth it. Keep trying, your health is important enough to fight for, isn't it?The first round of treatmnent, I had to divorce my husband to get poor enough to qualify for the company's free drugs to treat my hep. I finally got it, took the treatment and relapsed. The second round was paid for by medicare and it took, so far, about 9 months now, I am virus free. If an old woman like me can do it, you can. I was sick for over 30 years and didn't know with what til 1999 then took the treatment a year later, soonest I could get the drugs.Sharon in NW Washington Knitting is...time and love made tangible. Alison Hyde Re: ammonia levelsSharen and JanetSharon thanks for the ball pun..funnyTo both doctors went by by over a year ago. Had great job traveling world on research ship's as a sound source tech. Worked sick for long time and could not say anything or lose job. Off the coast of Barbadoes Things took a turn for the worst and 5 people went in water because of me, They all lived wich is a huge mirical but I could not live with that. By the time we got to Surinam south America I had to take the LONG walk and tell my boss I had been working sick. Because it was a demanding and dangerous job they had to chopper me off. When I got back to states I was put on perminant disability of $1.267.00 mth pluss full medical. A huge drop in pay but livable after I deversifide AKA sold all my good stuff. Then had to move a lot and change doctors a lot till I baught a house near lake livingston Texas. It was out in country and not many doctors and the ones I found were not so good, anyway I made it another 4 years till my insurance company The Hartford Company and my Doctors had some great phone chats and decided that with elevated ammonia levels and stage 3 cerosis pluss dibalitating bone problems from interferion that I was A-ok and could work in a dump or coal mine. There are no cole mines in Texas and have never even seen one but I "looked good" there words and my doc said all my problems were stress I lost my disability. Had filed for social security a month pryer and automatically sighned up for SSI. Of course I lost SSi because I still had an income and not approved for social security. Month later disability ended. I faught but ended up losing home and moving to Georgia. Here I tried to refile for SSI but told I could not have 2 aplications at same time and had to wait for ruling for SS. That would take 1 year to 900 days. Then I find out I am going to lose SS because I have not been to doctor in over a year so I applyed for medicade or medicare I forget wich. They finally told me I was not elegable because I might be eligable for SSI. To recap I can't get medicade till I get SSI that I can't get till I get SS that I will autonaticly lose because I cant get medicade to see a doctor. Who's on first , what's on second.Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right and here I am stuck in the middle with bad balls. No money no income no insurance no doctors.My government loves me" pic of stick man bent over with jar of vasoline"The insanity never ends. So what do I do???????????? I just want to go back to work and to h*** with my government. Can't do that eather. Think I will write a country song " the day my life went to Hep prison"Thanks for the help thoughHave a gooed-enButch

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I am truly sorry for your ;light, and I wish You WELL in some way or another. If you think all is lost, then I guess it is.

Sharon in NW Washington

Knitting is...time and love made tangible. Alison Hyde

Hey Sharon Been there done that. Had great one minute conversations:Hello Mr. HollandYesWho is your doctorHavent been able to afford one in over a yearYouve already lost, There is nothing we can do,Thank you and have a nice day...byI'm in a lose lose situation.I would even be willing to try doing the new interferion knowing the first shot will most likely make me a cripple, Can get the meds free but have to have a doctor first and NO ONE will touch me. My whole life I always put myself in win win situations, I guess I am just being punished for having too much fun. I'm out of options unless someones knows a trick I havent tried yet.Signed dazed and confused..LOL-----------------------------------------------------------

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Butch! There has to be a way for you to get help. What state are you in? SHARON CROSBY wrote: I am truly sorry for your ;light, and I wish You WELL in some way or another. If you think all is lost, then I guess it is. Sharon in NW Washington Knitting is...time and love made tangible. Alison Hyde Hey Sharon Been there done that. Had great one minute conversations:Hello Mr. HollandYesWho is your doctorHavent been able to afford one in over a yearYouve already lost, There is nothing we can do,Thank you and have a nice day...byI'm in a lose lose situation.I would even be willing to try doing the new interferion knowing the first shot will most likely make me a cripple, Can get the meds free but have to have a doctor first and NO ONE will touch me. My whole life I always put myself in win win situations, I guess I am just being punished for having too much fun. I'm out of options unless someones knows a trick I havent tried yet.Signed dazed and confused..LOL-----------------------------------------------------------

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Butch, you owe me no apology. I've been very down and I understand how it feels and I understand when you've fought so hard and can't seem to get anywhere. I KNOW you can find a doc, although you may have to travel. ANY doc who can tell others what tough shape you're in will do. There are agencies who will help, you just have to get to the right people. You can get in touch with the hep c drug companies and they will help with hep c drugs. The state (whichever state you're in) has programs to help in one way or another. Let your fingers do the walking on your computer and check out sites in your state that will extend transportation or medical help. THere are places that will treat you OTHER ailments free, you just have to find them.

I'm sorry, I just hate to see you or any one else give up and let illness win. DO keep trying, PLEASE.

Sharon in NW Washington

Knitting is...time and love made tangible. Alison Hyde

Hey SharonSorry to sound so defetest, I never ever give up but these last few years has given me no choice. It is very hard to teach your self to give up when you are naturaly positive. I do not take it lightly.You did call it right though. Thank you for trying to help me and truly sorry for not being more positive. I realy hate a life of negativivty but that is what I am dealt for now at least. Tomorrow may be a new day. See I can't even give up when I have gave up..Is that an oximoron.....Thank to you and everyone on here for there care and understandingButch

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Hello Syephanie

I moved from Texas to Georgia. Texas is suposed to be the hardest

state to get SS but this state is crazy. I have spent months calling

government agency's and no one knows who to call or they give you a

number that has no clue what to do. It's like everyone gets one pice

of the puzle but no full picture. I think it is just that they are so

overwhelmed and way understaffed. I can't get mad at the messenger

when it is the system but it still is no help for me. There is a

place here I was told about that helps folks with little money called

The Sheffield clinic. I sent them my latest medical reports and they

told me I was to far gone for them to help me. I just need a doctor

to draw blood so I can tell ss that I have a doctor. No doctor no

social security. I am so tired and run down and stressed that I am

out of fight. I have 2 more days of pain pills then a few weeks of

cold turkey then I MAY be able to do some more fighting. Been on em

for 4 years and the pain when I quit even after the withdraw part may

leave me in real bad shape or it may be good for me. I started them

because pain had gotten too bad and I have a very high pain threshold.

The pain then was baby pain compaired to now BUT I have also been

babying myself with the pills. I am sick of taking them and mabey

it's time to toughen up. I am durable so we will see how it goes.

Sorry for rambling, Could not sleep last night and brain not working

so well so I will shut up for now.

Thanks for the help, If doctors would join these groups I bet it

would change a lot of how they think and practice,The best info and

advise has been from all of you guys/gals You all rock.Just a thaught.

Take care

Butch

> I am truly sorry for your ;light, and I wish You WELL

in some way or another. If you think all is lost, then I guess it is.

>

> Sharon in NW Washington

>

> Knitting is...time and love made tangible. Alison Hyde

>

> Hey Sharon

> Been there done that. Had great one minute conversations:

> Hello Mr. Holland

> Yes

> Who is your doctor

> Havent been able to afford one in over a year

> Youve already lost, There is nothing we can do,Thank you and have a

> nice day...by

> I'm in a lose lose situation.I would even be willing to try doing

the

> new interferion knowing the first shot will most likely make me a

> cripple, Can get the meds free but have to have a doctor first and

NO

> ONE will touch me. My whole life I always put myself in win win

> situations, I guess I am just being punished for having too much

fun.

> I'm out of options unless someones knows a trick I havent tried

yet.

> Signed dazed and confused..LOL

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