Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 I wonder if CS has any record of raising blood pressure? If anybody has such experience please let me know. regards Neethi Re: colloidal silver > As I mentioned earlier neon transformers are commonly used to make CS > and as you have seen the high voltage arcs. For making CS two silver > electrodes are used and there is a very strong arc which causes the > silver to go into the water. No waste (sludge). > > There is a big advantage. Read my earlier post (from today). > > > > -- > Best regards, > > Bil Green > 2001 TV VCR > Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 > mailto:tv.vcrrepair@... > > Thursday, January 22, 2004, 10:46:40 AM, you wrote: > > CPS> I saw a man with a greenhouse operation who was making what he called > CPS> 'ionic silver'. He used it to treat fungus that sometimes formed in his > CPS> greenhouses. He used a high voltage transformer from a neon sign, and he > CPS> dangled a silver dollar, attached to an alligator clip, over a bucket of > CPS> water. The electricity arced from the coin to the water, gradually > CPS> eroding the coin. I know the silver wasn't pure, but otherwise does this > CPS> method have some advantage? > > CPS> Craig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Ahmed writes: > Hi Mohamad, > I forgot to tell you, that when the electrode turns black, > you must clean the black off, as you need a constant supply > of clean silvar to break down in the water. The anode, the electrode with the positive battery connection, should not be turning black if your generator is one of the simple types. I rarely clean the anode on my low voltage DC, current limited system because it only ever gets a little gray, which doesn't come off by simple wiping anyway. The electrode with the negative battery connection, the cathode, might turn color, and this is usually due to a build up of conglomerates of silver, usually indicative of a long time run. Yes, you can frequently gently clean the cathode if you wish, but in my experience, it doesn't make much difference to the amount of silver ions produced. > Clean the black/grey from your silver rod, often, with a > small kitchen dish cleaning pad. If you mean one of the scratchy kitchen cleaning pads, you will be removing more silver from the electrode in one cleaning than will used in many regular generating times. Cleaning the cathode is properly done with just a wet paper towel or facial tissue. Mine gets cleaned at the end of a run, that is all. > Also, if you have trouble getting colloidal silver, it may be because you > are using distilled water which is too pure ! Pure distilled water will > not conduct electricity ! Perhaps in some high-class laboratory, such distilled water exists. However, most home-distilled and store-bought DW has enough conductivity that it will work just fine when used in low voltage DC production of CS. Also, the minute voltage is applied to the generator electrodes, silver ions start to be liberated from the anode and electrical current therefore rises. > If this is your case, put a little disolved salt into the water so it will > conduct. DO NOT PUT SALT INTO THE WATER TO INCREASE CONDUCTIVITY. http://www.silvermedicine.org/faq.html " Silver oxide may be created as a byproduct of the production process. If a saline solution or other salt primer is used, silver chloride is formed in abundance and extraordinary " agglomeration " occurs, with extremely large particles forming as a result. Using tap water or salt in the production process produces a low quality product with a needlessly high content of actual silver, and can place a user at risk for argyria with long term use. " > A. Jimmy Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Ahmed writes: > Hi Mohamad, > I forgot to tell you, that when the electrode turns black, > you must clean the black off, as you need a constant supply > of clean silvar to break down in the water. The anode, the electrode with the positive battery connection, should not be turning black if your generator is one of the simple types. I rarely clean the anode on my low voltage DC, current limited system because it only ever gets a little gray, which doesn't come off by simple wiping anyway. The electrode with the negative battery connection, the cathode, might turn color, and this is usually due to a build up of conglomerates of silver, usually indicative of a long time run. Yes, you can frequently gently clean the cathode if you wish, but in my experience, it doesn't make much difference to the amount of silver ions produced. > Clean the black/grey from your silver rod, often, with a > small kitchen dish cleaning pad. If you mean one of the scratchy kitchen cleaning pads, you will be removing more silver from the electrode in one cleaning than will used in many regular generating times. Cleaning the cathode is properly done with just a wet paper towel or facial tissue. Mine gets cleaned at the end of a run, that is all. > Also, if you have trouble getting colloidal silver, it may be because you > are using distilled water which is too pure ! Pure distilled water will > not conduct electricity ! Perhaps in some high-class laboratory, such distilled water exists. However, most home-distilled and store-bought DW has enough conductivity that it will work just fine when used in low voltage DC production of CS. Also, the minute voltage is applied to the generator electrodes, silver ions start to be liberated from the anode and electrical current therefore rises. > If this is your case, put a little disolved salt into the water so it will > conduct. DO NOT PUT SALT INTO THE WATER TO INCREASE CONDUCTIVITY. http://www.silvermedicine.org/faq.html " Silver oxide may be created as a byproduct of the production process. If a saline solution or other salt primer is used, silver chloride is formed in abundance and extraordinary " agglomeration " occurs, with extremely large particles forming as a result. Using tap water or salt in the production process produces a low quality product with a needlessly high content of actual silver, and can place a user at risk for argyria with long term use. " > A. Jimmy Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 At 01:46 PM 1/22/2004, you wrote: >I saw a man with a greenhouse operation who was making what he called >'ionic silver'. He used it to treat fungus that sometimes formed in his >greenhouses. He used a high voltage transformer from a neon sign, and he >dangled a silver dollar, attached to an alligator clip, over a bucket of >water. The electricity arced from the coin to the water, gradually >eroding the coin. I know the silver wasn't pure, but otherwise does this >method have some advantage? The advantage is you can make a large amout of high potency CS in a short time with this method. Not suitable for drinking IMO but it would make a great plant spray, as he discovered, and can also be used as a topical. As for making CS for internal consumption, I agree with the posts today that only distilled water should be used, and only *good* distilled water. Crystal Springs is good, Sam's Choice is not, IMO. Look for distilled water made in the last month or two, too, which you can find at a busy grocery store. turf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 As I mentioned earlier neon transformers are commonly used to make CS and as you have seen the high voltage arcs. For making CS two silver electrodes are used and there is a very strong arc which causes the silver to go into the water. No waste (sludge). There is a big advantage. Read my earlier post (from today). -- Best regards, Bil Green 2001 TV VCR Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 mailto:tv.vcrrepair@... Thursday, January 22, 2004, 10:46:40 AM, you wrote: CPS> I saw a man with a greenhouse operation who was making what he called CPS> 'ionic silver'. He used it to treat fungus that sometimes formed in his CPS> greenhouses. He used a high voltage transformer from a neon sign, and he CPS> dangled a silver dollar, attached to an alligator clip, over a bucket of CPS> water. The electricity arced from the coin to the water, gradually CPS> eroding the coin. I know the silver wasn't pure, but otherwise does this CPS> method have some advantage? CPS> Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Bill, Thanks for sharing that much detail. Should silver electrodes be submerged into water using HV as with low voltage DC method? What about the distance between electrodes? What's approximate time for making HV CS at 10 ppm, 20 ppm, 30..etc. Is it drinkable? Thanks again, Greg. > > CPS> I saw a man with a greenhouse operation who was making what he called > CPS> 'ionic silver'. He used it to treat fungus that sometimes formed in his > CPS> greenhouses. He used a high voltage transformer from a neon sign, and he > CPS> dangled a silver dollar, attached to an alligator clip, over a bucket of > CPS> water. The electricity arced from the coin to the water, gradually > CPS> eroding the coin. I know the silver wasn't pure, but otherwise does this > CPS> method have some advantage? > > CPS> Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Bill, Do you think transformer like that would work for CS? It takes 12v DC and could be powered by a car battery. Output is only 3.5 kv. http://www.neoncentral.com/inventory.jsp?number=800-0155 Thanks, Greg. > > CPS> I saw a man with a greenhouse operation who was making what he called > CPS> 'ionic silver'. He used it to treat fungus that sometimes formed in his > CPS> greenhouses. He used a high voltage transformer from a neon sign, and he > CPS> dangled a silver dollar, attached to an alligator clip, over a bucket of > CPS> water. The electricity arced from the coin to the water, gradually > CPS> eroding the coin. I know the silver wasn't pure, but otherwise does this > CPS> method have some advantage? > > CPS> Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 It is drinkable (highest quality CS from what everyone says). The electrodes are above the water - very different process. It would be better if I send the plans (from someone on the silver-list a few years ago). I am sending you an attachment. -- Best regards, Bil Green 2001 TV VCR Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 mailto:tv.vcrrepair@... Thursday, January 22, 2004, 10:59:53 PM, you wrote: o> Bill, o> Thanks for sharing that much detail. o> Should silver electrodes be submerged into water using HV as with low o> voltage DC method? o> What about the distance between electrodes? o> What's approximate time for making HV CS at 10 ppm, 20 ppm, 30..etc. o> Is it drinkable? o> Thanks again, o> Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I don't have lab data on that, but my personal experience taking CS in various doses shows no problem with low doses like 1 table spoon of 20ppm CS 2-3 times a day. Once I tried a glass of that and got head ache + anxiety (possiby high blood pressure) that faded in 24 hours. So don't take high concentrations or lots of it and you should be ok. 1 table spoon of 10-20 ppm shouldn't make any impact on blood pressure, but if you take 200+ ppm or equvalent of that in low concentration, it may. > > > > CPS> I saw a man with a greenhouse operation who was making what he called > > CPS> 'ionic silver'. He used it to treat fungus that sometimes formed in > his > > CPS> greenhouses. He used a high voltage transformer from a neon sign, > and he > > CPS> dangled a silver dollar, attached to an alligator clip, over a bucket > of > > CPS> water. The electricity arced from the coin to the water, gradually > > CPS> eroding the coin. I know the silver wasn't pure, but otherwise does > this > > CPS> method have some advantage? > > > > CPS> Craig > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Some more info about CS is her: http://www.silvermedicine.org/howmuchsilverdididrink.html http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy ( H2O2 ) and Colloidal Silver http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2.html Cayenne and Colloidal Silver http://www.silvermedicine.org/cayenneandsilver.html When you make CS, current must be less then 1 mA, else silver particles vil be too big, to reach small viruses. MK ----- Original Message ----- > What's approximate time for making HV CS at 10 ppm, 20 ppm, 30..etc. > > Is it drinkable? > > Thanks again, > > Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Laugh out Loud......Thanks Mom. I have been doing this for so long that I forget that people don't know about the distilled water and the sea salt. Like duh! I must have missed my afternoon nap.... Thanks for picking up my slack. Annelis P.S- If you have the recipe for Plague remedy, I think this group is natural enough that I think you should take the time to re-type the sheet and post how to make it and the article that is with it. I am starting to believe it is time to share this wonderful herbal recipe and get it out there.ellieagee wrote: Hi,I am Annelise's mother silver-makertakeraparter.One small addition. When you put your DISTILLED water into the glass to make the CS, put a few grains of sea salt in the water. The Electrodes will not put the silver into colloid unless there are some ions in the water to use.The warmer the water, the stronger the solution.You should see cloudiness forming from the two silver rods, curved at the ends,and placed at opposing side of the 12-16 oz glass, each having an aligator clip attached and leading to the three batteries. It takes about 10-20 minutes to make a solution.I never worried about the STRENGTH of the solution as I wasnt using a set dosage and since it is cloudy, instead of yellow, it is weaker than the commercial forms. If no cloudiness starts forming, there is a problem.Any questions, as this is simple but may not be clear,you can email me personallyPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Quackwatch.com and Quackbuster.com are both websites chock full of disinformation, I believe...here is a website that debunks them both: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/default.htm I don't even know why the FDA is at issue any more. They have been nationally slammed by Graham for releasing prescription drugs that were not safe. They have been investigated for having conflicts of interests within their staff, and worse of all they are the food and drug administration and they don't think RAW milk is fit to drink! http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2004/504_milk.html I wonder if there are statistics that compare the health of RAW milk drinker's to Pasteurized milk drinkers. If it's such an issue, and raw milk (which is supposedly so bad for you) can still be legally purchased off of the farm in most states, than where are the statistics?! None of my relatives who ever farmed have been sick of any digestive disorders...I have two relatives now who had to have portions of their intestines cut out one suffers from Krohns both drank only past. milk. Other relatives suffer from diabetes, fibromyalgia, allergies, infertility... I am so sure that the FDA is wrong, that, according to them, I am playing russian roulette with the health(lives?! With the game russian roulette, that would be your life that is at stake, not your health. So why don't they say it!) according to the FDA: 'Drinking raw (untreated) milk or eating raw milk products is " like playing Russian roulette with your health, " says Sheehan, director of the Food and Drug Administration's Division of Dairy and Egg Safety. " We see a number of cases of foodborne illness every year related to the consumption of raw milk. " ' Oh really? A number of cases? How many might that be, and how does that compare to the number of people who acquire a foodborne illnes from pasteurized milk, or old country buffet?! Shut down the FDA? Who will regulate our prescription drugs?! At this point, who cares! It's just like RAW milk as soon as the regulation came into play, that's when milk became dangerous, that's when prescription drugs became dangerous. The alternative is determine what's good for us by what the FDA warns about but can't sufficiently prove enough to have outlawed. They say don't I do. They say it's good...I know it's bad. Cynical? Oh you bet and why shouldn't I be? Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 I was just wondering if any one has tried, or has info on Colloidal Silver. I have seen this as tx of hep c ? Just an update, got my viral load back, stands at 700 tho. now. I was told it was over 10mil before i started tx. and was undetectable when i stopped the tx. I am happy that it has not progressed to where I started from, so my liver has had a little bit of a break. Thanks Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Hi Donna, Here's what I found out about Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver ProductsKeywords: argyria, silver particles, immune system Send to a friend Download PDF Medical Dictionary On this page Key Points 1. What are colloidal silver products? 2. For what health purose are colloidal silver products marketed? 3. Do colloidal silver products work? 4. What are the risks of using these products? 5. Does the Government regulate dietary supplements containing colloidal silver? 6. What should people do who are considering or using colloidal silver? References For More Information This fact sheet provides a general overview of colloidal silver products, discusses scientific research findings on their use for health purposes, and suggests additional sources of information. To find out more about topics and resources mentioned in this fact sheet, see "For More Information." Top Key Points Colloidal silver products consist of tiny silver particles suspended in liquid. They are usually marketed as dietary supplements (see Question 1). Over-the-counter colloidal silver products are not considered by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be generally recognized as safe and effective for diseases and conditions. The FDA has taken action against a number of colloidal silver companies (such as Web sites) for making drug-like claims about their products. Colloidal silver can cause serious side effects. One is argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the body. Argyria is not treatable or reversible. Tell your health care providers about any complementary and alternative practices you use. Give them a full picture of what you do to manage your health. This will help ensure coordinated and safe care. Top 1. What are colloidal silver products? Silver is a metallic element that is mined as a precious metal. It has various industrial uses--for example, in jewelry, silverware, electronic equipment, dental fillings, photographic processing, and disinfecting water. People are commonly exposed to silver, usually in tiny amounts, through the environment (such as the air), drinking water, and food, and possibly their work or hobbies.1 Silver has no known biological function in living organisms. Silver has had some medicinal uses going back for centuries. However, more modern and less toxic drugs have eliminated most of those uses. A few prescription drugs containing silver are still available. For example, silver nitrate can be used to prevent an eye condition called conjunctivitis in newborn babies and to treat certain skin conditions, such as corns and warts. Another drug, silver sulfadizine, can be used to treat burns. These drugs are applied to the body (i.e., they are not taken internally), and they can have negative side effects. Colloidal silver products consist of tiny silver particles suspended in a liquid base. Sometimes other ingredients are added, such as proteins, coloring, etc. The products are usually taken by mouth (in which case the products are considered dietary supplements; see the text box below). Some other types are sprayed, applied to the skin, or injected into a vein. About Dietary Supplements Dietary supplements were defined in a law passed by Congress in 1994. A dietary supplement must meet all of the following conditions: It is a product (other than tobacco) that is intended to supplement the diet and that contains one or more of the following: vitamins, minerals, herbs or other botanicals, amino acids, or any combination of the above ingredients. It is intended to be taken in tablet, capsule, powder, softgel, gelcap, or liquid form. It is not represented for use as a conventional food or as a sole item of a meal or the diet. It is labeled as being a dietary supplement. Top 2. For what health purposes are colloidal silver products marketed? Colloidal silver products are often marketed with various unproven health-related claims. Examples include that they benefit the immune system; kill disease-causing agents such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi; are an alternative to prescription antibiotics; or treat diseases such as cancer, HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, syphilis, scarlet fever, shingles, herpes, pneumonia, and prostatitis (inflammation of the prostate). Top 3. Do colloidal silver products work? Reviews in the scientific literature on colloidal silver products have concluded that2-5: Silver has no known function in the body. Silver is not an essential mineral supplement or a cure-all and should not be promoted as such. Claims that there can be a "deficiency" of silver in the body and that such a deficiency can lead to disease are unfounded. Claims made about the effectiveness of colloidal silver products for numerous diseases are unsupported scientifically. Colloidal silver products can have serious side effects (discussed further below). Laboratory analysis has shown that the amounts of silver in supplements vary greatly, which can pose risks to the consumer. Top 4. What are the risks of using these products? Animal studies have shown that silver builds up in the tissues of the body. In humans, buildup of silver from colloidal silver can lead to a side effect called argyria. It causes a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, other organs, deep tissues, nails, and gums. Argyria cannot be treated or reversed, and it is permanent. While it is not known how argyria occurs, it is thought that silver combines with protein, forming complexes that deposit in the skin and are processed by sunlight (as in traditional photography).6,7 Other side effects from using colloidal silver products may include neurologic problems (such as seizures), kidney damage, stomach distress, headaches, fatigue, and skin irritation. Colloidal silver may interfere with the body's absorption of the following drugs: penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine.5 Top 5. Does the Government regulate dietary supplements containing colloidal silver? Yes, the Government regulates them, but differently than drugs. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 places dietary supplements in a special category of foods. This category is regulated differently than other foods and than drugs. For example, manufacturers of dietary supplements, unlike manufacturers of drugs, do not have to prove their product's safety and effectiveness to the FDA before it is marketed. If the product is found to be unsafe after it is marketed, the FDA can take certain actions, such as removing it from the marketplace. The FDA issued a ruling in 1999 that no products containing colloidal silver are generally recognized as safe and effective. The FDA and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) have sent warning letters to the operators of many Web sites that market colloidal silver with drug-like claims (i.e., that their product diagnoses, treats, cures, or prevents disease). Top 6. What should people do who are considering or using colloidal silver? Tell your health care providers about any complementary and alternative practices you use. Give them a full picture of what you do to manage your health. This will help ensure coordinated and safe care. This is especially important if you are pregnant, nursing a baby, or considering treating a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 I don’t know about the silver. But we do know that herbs & things can be helpful (or harmful) for some symptoms, but none are a substitute for tx. Tx is the only thing proven to work. But that’s great news that your VL is still lower. Another stab at tx might just do it this time if you can finish! Colloidal Silver I was just wondering if any one has tried, or has info on Colloidal Silver. I have seen this as tx of hep c ? Just an update, got my viral load back, stands at 700 tho. now. I was told it was over 10mil before i started tx. and was undetectable when i stopped the tx. I am happy that it has not progressed to where I started from, so my liver has had a little bit of a break. Thanks Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Thank you to everyone who responded to my request, I have some reading to do. Right now it doesn't look like an option. I hope everyone has a good day, it is pretty here time to head to the lake and fish. Thanks, Donna Motley wrote: I don’t know about the silver. But we do know that herbs & things can be helpful (or harmful) for some symptoms, but none are a substitute for tx. Tx is the only thing proven to work. But that’s great news that your VL is still lower. Another stab at tx might just do it this time if you can finish! -----Original Message-----From: HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of Donna SikesSent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:11 PMTo: hepatitiscsupportgroupfordummies Cc: hepcingles2 Subject: Colloidal Silver I was just wondering if any one has tried, or has info on Colloidal Silver. I have seen this as tx of hep c ? Just an update, got my viral load back, stands at 700 tho. now. I was told it was over 10mil before i started tx. and was undetectable when i stopped the tx. I am happy that it has not progressed to where I started from, so my liver has had a little bit of a break. Thanks Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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