Re: CNN Story on ABA, On The Bite That Matters To Me

[Guest guest]

My response to this story as posted elsewher:)(No, I don't know why

anyone would charge so much for what another needs, (and post such a

story?) unless they don't need it so much? Who needs what maybe is

the more meaningful question, perhaps? Some of us take abuse and are

responsible for abuse, Thereof? Where forgiving abuse is also

fostering it, especially? I'm been making the case " against " relative

abuse for a " long time now, " in being as reasonable as I am, I'm

sensin'

My response to the story as posted elsewhere: Where no communication

is wrong, Thereof, and may be more right if not more meaningful than

we think, of what we Feel, for the Individual, Thereof? of

Understanding More, Thereof. Of What You " Get, " Of Being More

Reasonable, [of ABA? to me!] Thereof.

(Take what you can from It leave the rest for others?!.)

ABA is not $20,000 a week I assure you? Gads! Goo?!. What were

they thinking?! ABA is " reasonable " where it's anything at all is my

sense of It. That's where the " volunteer " part comes in, with me,

Thereof!

Mike,

Volunteer ABAJ

Where the " J " is for Justness.. . Where we are not about that we're

not about ABA is my sense of It, (!) of my kind of ABA. Just getting

things right for that, of " all " that ABA is and can be, and do, for

you! .. . [And] It don't just come from the " state, " hardly, (if at

all?) either, be sure, Thereof, ( ) of getting It right, where

It " needs " to be right, (?!.)(I Feel!) for those who need It,

Thereof. (My sense of It;) Where you flow with me or you " don't, " in

what you get, Thereof!

New language, (of intelligence?) of " receptivity, " if you will! .. .

ABA, to me! Where I teach It for Communication or I don't teach It

at all! I get what " I need, " where you do to (?!.)(Thereof.. .

Teacher, Thereof (of T & T?)

Thanks for the link.

Go with the " state-based " ABA if you'd prefer? The choice is yours,

Thereof?!. Of Communication, of " Moderating " by Communication.. .

Of " my " " refined " sense of ABAJ! I'm glad to help in this respect of

that

Where my results are my " family, " Thereof?!. Do you Feel I should

respond with this to CNN? Use it if you want. (Of What I'm

About) " I " won't bite, any more than this is a bite.. . ! (On the

bite that matters?!. My sense of It.

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> This was on CNN today:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/04/autism.resolution/index.html

>

> Perhaps with more publicity of the successes that are possible,

we'll see a bigger push to get ABA for our children so that we can

afford it.

>

> If anyone knows why this company, AP, charges $20,000 per week, I'd

like to hear that.

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[Guest guest]

I saw this story on CNN. It really felt like what this family received

was a watered down version of ABA, and that's being kind. If I'm being

honest, I wouldn't equate it at all with ABA. I found myself cringing

often and feeling sorry that the family had received such a

disservice. I wish CNN had done more adequate and appropriate research

before choosing an agency that charges too much and does entirely too

little.

Kenya Clay

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On Feb 6, 2009, at 12:07 PM, " Mike Glavic "

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> wrote:

>

> My response to this story as posted elsewher:)(No, I don't know why

> anyone would charge so much for what another needs, (and post such a

> story?) unless they don't need it so much? Who needs what maybe is

> the more meaningful question, perhaps? Some of us take abuse and are

> responsible for abuse, Thereof? Where forgiving abuse is also

> fostering it, especially? I'm been making the case " against " relative

> abuse for a " long time now, " in being as reasonable as I am, I'm

> sensin'

>

> My response to the story as posted elsewhere: Where no communication

> is wrong, Thereof, and may be more right if not more meaningful than

> we think, of what we Feel, for the Individual, Thereof? of

> Understanding More, Thereof. Of What You " Get, " Of Being More

> Reasonable, [of ABA? to me!] Thereof.

>

> (Take what you can from It leave the rest for others?!.)

>

> ABA is not $20,000 a week I assure you? Gads! Goo?!. What were

> they thinking?! ABA is " reasonable " where it's anything at all is my

> sense of It. That's where the " volunteer " part comes in, with me,

> Thereof!

>

> Mike,

> Volunteer ABAJ

>

> Where the " J " is for Justness.. . Where we are not about that we're

> not about ABA is my sense of It, (!) of my kind of ABA. Just getting

> things right for that, of " all " that ABA is and can be, and do, for

> you! .. . [And] It don't just come from the " state, " hardly, (if at

> all?) either, be sure, Thereof, ( ) of getting It right, where

> It " needs " to be right, (?!.)(I Feel!) for those who need It,

> Thereof. (My sense of It;) Where you flow with me or you " don't, " in

> what you get, Thereof!

>

> New language, (of intelligence?) of " receptivity, " if you will! .. .

> ABA, to me! Where I teach It for Communication or I don't teach It

> at all! I get what " I need, " where you do to (?!.)(Thereof.. .

>

> Teacher, Thereof (of T & T?)

>

> Thanks for the link.

>

> Go with the " state-based " ABA if you'd prefer? The choice is yours,

> Thereof?!. Of Communication, of " Moderating " by Communication.. .

> Of " my " " refined " sense of ABAJ! I'm glad to help in this respect of

> that

>

> Where my results are my " family, " Thereof?!. Do you Feel I should

> respond with this to CNN? Use it if you want. (Of What I'm

> About) " I " won't bite, any more than this is a bite.. . ! (On the

> bite that matters?!. My sense of It.

>

>

> >

> >

> > This was on CNN today:

> http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/04/autism.resolution/index.html

> >

> > Perhaps with more publicity of the successes that are possible,

> we'll see a bigger push to get ABA for our children so that we can

> afford it.

> >

> > If anyone knows why this company, AP, charges $20,000 per week, I'd

> like to hear that.

> > __________________________________________________________

> > Windows Liveâ„¢: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect.

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kenya and All,

Had a closer look at the story and related videos and would interject

that I do agree with you Kenya, that what I saw being practiced is

more sensibly related to typical family-style training, (?) of

reinforcing to " rules " if not full-out punishment otherwise, as some

take it to, as I understand can and very often does go wrong. It's

hardly what I would call the stuff of training to, [reason?] the more

severely challenged, or of micro-steps with doing the data, of graphs

and the extreme detail (and structure) commonly associated with doing

ABA, that I associate with specialists and experts that I would

identify as doing the more highly technical and pricey as more

elaborate to deliver type of stuff where change and results and

motivators are so " very difficult " to establish as with ABA.

I cannot see whatsover how one could justify paying $2,500 a week or

$20,000 a week for what is presented. What I could see and evaluate

of the CNN story (what limited and edited amount was provided) is

fundamentally about good parenting towards establishing and re-

enforcing rules of rules-governed behavior, where in our home, more

of reason, perhaps? (and less of abuse that can and is often

associated with rule-based behavior?) we identify it more

as " explanation " (of reason) based behavior where you form the rules

for yourself (where the student owns the rule/s, thereof?)

that " work " (of consequences) for what the explanation in the real

lesson (thereof) provides as related to the student's own feelings

and experiences, of all that is involved, (including liberty, if not

Freedom) Thereof

I'm OK with rules in that respect, of reason, of Communication (Where

I don't believe in rules " not " for Communication.. .

I would still hope my earlier post would be seen and accepted

(presented?) in " that " context.. . I feel right and justified by

either, (having gone further, as a volunteer, perhaps, than I

typically would have liked to?) where I've crossed this bridge many

times before in validating what I have said and, how I behave,

thereof.. .

Folks, think of the range of possibilities of the good and meaningful

things of services, etc., that you/we could provide where Autism

Partnerships sets the standard and prices (and costs?) it does?

Wheeew! (Of relative abuse, to what we could provide, otherwise?)

The sky is the limit, where the " volunteer " is the " true champion "

(Hero?) of all that we can be and do, Thereof, is my sense of It!

Best wishes, for all of us, Thereof

Mike, I.

Volunteer ABAJ

I got my wife to have a look at this, CNN story, (not so easy) for

how much money others charge. We were on Autism Partnerships'

waiting list and they told us it would be a year or more, and didn't

direct us otherwise, so I feel that says as much for them as I've

already suggested? I'm somewhat sorry for the parents (Etc.) in

these situations, perhaps not so much for the one in question (I'm

happy for them, really) that " got " served, of promoting the CNN Story

and Autism Partnerships, for what they do as handsomely reward

themselves for and have done for all, perhaps, thereof

Where " we " come into it or could come into it, for " everyone's "

benefit, I would like to believe.. . !

Best wishes in that respect of more, of making lemonade out of a

lemon, perhaps.

See the half-full glass, please do

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> > >

> > > This was on CNN today:

> > http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/04/autism.resolution/index.html

> > >

> > > Perhaps with more publicity of the successes that are possible,

> > we'll see a bigger push to get ABA for our children so that we can

> > afford it.

> > >

> > > If anyone knows why this company, AP, charges $20,000 per week,

I'd

> > like to hear that.

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