Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Hi ~ Welcome! This is a wonderful group ~ You'll find lots of inspiration here! Michele Introduction Hi y'all, I'm . I just joined the group and I have been reading past posts most of this morning. I have been involved with New Thought for 20 years. I remember being amazed after I attended my first " church service " at a New Thought church that there was actually an organized group that held beliefs as similar to my own independent ones. I am particularly interested in the power of affirmations. I am here to offer info, help, and support where I can, as well as to learn. I am also here for a little support and listening. One of these days I'll write out my whole deal. Suffice to say, I am coming out of a bad period in my life, and I want to " rebuild " on solid Positive Thinking/New Thought principles. I am 42, divorced, and have an 11 yr old son who is with me half the time. I work in HR in the Hospital Services industry. I volunteer for different things at my church, most recently facilitating a Small Group Ministry around the book by Dr. Wayne Muller " How Then Shall We Live. " I am also a minister ordained in the St. Christian Church in 1997. I look forward to getting to know y'all. Peace, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Dear Angie, I(we) know exactly how you feel.I am always being urged to be around things that I know set my asthma in a talespin.These include spending the whole day at dusty,spore-filled outdoor flea markets,being in the boat all day when the lake is turning over and is green as pea soup , petting the family and friends dogs and cats as they always come to me first, and spending time in smokey restaurants, where the smoke from that section filters over to the non-smoking area.I have to pass on alot of things too. I cannot be at anything that lasts all day under these conditions. It is isolating, but I just cannot bear to face a life of continual bad asthma days and nights. I hope others in this group will be able to console you better.Anyway, I know exactly how you feel. Sincerely, Anastasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Thanks for sharing your experience Anastasia. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. At first, I too, would subject myself, but like you said, I got sick of dealing with bad asthma attacks and struggling to get it under control. This has been the first winter where I'm not having regular asthma attacks and I think it's because I'm not subjecting my lungs to as much so my asthma has been easier to keep under control. I just don't understand why people can't be more empathetic to us. Take care, Angie > Dear Angie, > I(we) know exactly how you feel.I am always being urged to be > around things that I know set my asthma in a talespin.These include > spending the whole day at dusty,spore-filled outdoor flea > markets,being in the boat all day when the lake is turning over and > is green as pea soup , petting the family and friends dogs and cats > as they always come to me first, and spending time in smokey > restaurants, where the smoke from that section filters over to the > non-smoking area.I have to pass on alot of things too. I cannot be > at anything that lasts all day under these conditions. It is > isolating, but I just cannot bear to face a life of continual bad > asthma days and nights. > I hope others in this group will be able to console you > better.Anyway, I know exactly how you feel. > Sincerely, > Anastasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Welcome ! The short version: 1. RDI is awesome! 2. Dietary changes make incredible differences in many kids, including my daughter. We're GFCFSF and we limit things like eggs, corn and tomatoes. I've got to get three children ready for school. Hopefully, I'll be back later to go into detail. PennY (with a Y) in Michigan > > 1. RDI: Has anyone tried this? > > 2. Has anyone had success with any of the special diets particularly those that target yeast related problems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Welcome ! The short version: 1. RDI is awesome! 2. Dietary changes make incredible differences in many kids, including my daughter. We're GFCFSF and we limit things like eggs, corn and tomatoes. I've got to get three children ready for school. Hopefully, I'll be back later to go into detail. PennY (with a Y) in Michigan > > 1. RDI: Has anyone tried this? > > 2. Has anyone had success with any of the special diets particularly those that target yeast related problems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Welcome ! The short version: 1. RDI is awesome! 2. Dietary changes make incredible differences in many kids, including my daughter. We're GFCFSF and we limit things like eggs, corn and tomatoes. I've got to get three children ready for school. Hopefully, I'll be back later to go into detail. PennY (with a Y) in Michigan > > 1. RDI: Has anyone tried this? > > 2. Has anyone had success with any of the special diets particularly those that target yeast related problems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Hi , Welcome to the list! I am an ABA therapist, I join these lists to help give advice and share experiences from the many children I have worked with. Unfortunately, there is not any RDI training in the Atlanta area on a regular basis yet, so I don't have much to tell you about that. One of my client's parents went to a workshop and said it was great, but so far have not incorporated any of what they learned into his schedule. They did tell me it supposed to be very complimentary to an ABA program. Obviously, I think ABA is the best treatment for autism, or I wouldn't be doing it! ABA is the only therapy with data and statistics to back it up, and the only " proven effective " treatment. This is not to say that other methods aren't just as valid or important, but there is not as much as far as proof. Personally, I use a combination of Lovaas style ABA and Floortime with my clients, and (just to brag a little) they are ALL doing great! As fat as dietary intervention, the GFCF diet works wonders for many kids. My own son has a milk allergy, and although he is NT and developing normally, I saw an improvement in him when we stopped milk about a month ago. He's 14 months and started speaking in sentences around the same time he started having normal BMs.I have seen a lot of kids who made immediate leaps when they began the diet, and others that were more gradual, and not noticable until the first time they were tested with a forbidden food, and went of the wall stimming or something. It doesn't work for every kid, but it is safe to try and non invasive, and work enough times that I think it is worth trying. It sounds a lot harder than it is once you get the hang of it! If you have any questions, feel free to email me! Amnesty > > Hi! > > I'm new to this list and what to introduce my self. I have a > daughter who is 39 months old and is currently being evaluated for > autism. I also have a nearly 23 month old son who is still not > talking at all, but otherwise appears to be developing normally. > > I'm fairly sure that that autism is the dx my duaghter will end up > with. She is very delayed in speech/social and plays repetitively > by making collections of things. She isn't however particularly > routinized or resistant to change. I am currently exploring the > possibilities for treatment for Emma and am particularly interested > in hearing from anyone who has had personal experience with the > following treatments/issues. Currently Emma gets private speech > therapy 2x week. > > 1. RDI: Has anyone tried this? What do you think? I live very near > an agency that has certified RDI consultant and just reading the > materials, it seems like something Emma might benefit from. Emma > seems to learn non-social/language things fairly easily; for instance > she recognizes most of the letters of the alphabet just from reading > books and t.v. shows, I haven't drilled her in it or anything. More > than anything, she needs to develop relationships with people which > is what RDI focuses on. > > 2. Has anyone had success with any of the special diets particularly > those that target yeast related problems. Emma has lots of trouble > with vaginal yeast infections and I am wondering if this could be > indicative of a systemic problem with yeast. > > Any other info you think would be useful, I would welcome. > > Thanks, > > > > 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 In a message dated 11/14/04 11:32:45 AM Central Standard Time, skydanse@... writes: << I live in Utah, fly hang gliders, work as a massage therapist up in Park City and I enjoy my raw milk frequently 'cause I just luvvvvv my raw milk! I am basically a consumer of milk. It's a little difficult getting raw milk in Utah, but I now live near a goat dairy farm (a little pricey but that's okay) plus I belong to a coop to get cow's milk as well. >> Welcome Lori, Sounds like you have a fun life. I am glad you found a source for raw milk. I am with you there on luvvvvving raw milk. I thought I found a local source for raw milk but it tasted terrible. I am accustomed to jersey milk and this was brown swiss and it was (like I said) terrible. They like it so I guess thats what counts. So today we go on our 3 hour trip one way to get the wonderfullllll jersey milk. You will love our group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Welcome Sonya. I live in Edmonton and co-lead the WAPF Chapter with Kathy Charpentier from Castor. Have you been in touch with Adler who is the Chapter Leader in Vancouver and maybe even BC? I don't have her number handy, however if you go to the WAP site, her info is there. vsp Sonya wrote: Hello everyone.My name is Sonya McLeod, my e-mail address is thebestcolours@..., and Ilive in Vancouver, BC, Canada. I am very interested in becoming a consumerof raw milk, and although I have never tried it, I've heard that it's muchhealthier than pasteurized milk. I first heard about raw milk from the book"Nourishing Traditions" by Sally Fallon, and I plan to read more books onthe subject such as "The Milk Book," "The Untold Story of Milk," etc. I amparticularly concerned about my two young daughters aged 4 months and 21months, who I think would benefit enormously from the consumption of rawmilk products. Unfortunately, raw milk sales/purchase is illegal in Canada,but cow-sharing is legal (I'm not that familiar with the concept ofcow-sharing). I definitely support the legalization of raw milk products,but in the meantime, am interested in obtaining milk via cow-sharing.I look forward to learning a lot from all of you and am excited aboutjoining this group.Cheers.-SonyaPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ S. Pritchard (VSP)__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 At 01:37 PM 1/13/05 -0800, you wrote: > > Hi, > > My name's ; I live in Arlington, VA (across the > Potomac River from Washington, DC) > > I'm please to have run across this web site -- all my > friends and neighbors think I'm nuts. > Greetings and welcome, , from another local (andria) nutjob. :-D MFJ Dairy Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hi sharon this is of me Sondra a old past friend from e lists. it is much fast in time to know you baby is of 3 now. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Sharon Tuffley <tuffley@p...> wrote: > Hi All > I just joined this group and wanted to send an introduction. > I am Sharon (39) and my hubby is Danny (44) and we live in New Zealand with our two girl who will be 13 in april and who is 3 later this month. > is on the autism spectrum. > wont go into the long and tiring process of getting diagnosis here as only got a few minutes at computer at the moment..but she has had constipation on and off most of her life and is not fully bowel trained..she wears regular underwear but we have episodes of soiling sometimes up to 10 times a day sometimes only once .so am interested to know if anyone else has this with their child. > But mainly I joined to see how you all cope with your daughters reaching puberty and such..she is developing breasts and pubic hair so guess she will get periods soon but whenever we try to talk to her about it all she goes all on the defense and says she not interested or she would rather die or just puts hands on ears and starts making loud noises so she cant hear what we are saying. I think the thought of blood terrifies her as she is terrified of blood. > anyway that is all for now till i get to know you all and see what sorts of things you chat about on here > > Regards > Sharon > NZ > > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hi sharon this is of me Sondra a old past friend from e lists. it is much fast in time to know you baby is of 3 now. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Sharon Tuffley <tuffley@p...> wrote: > Hi All > I just joined this group and wanted to send an introduction. > I am Sharon (39) and my hubby is Danny (44) and we live in New Zealand with our two girl who will be 13 in april and who is 3 later this month. > is on the autism spectrum. > wont go into the long and tiring process of getting diagnosis here as only got a few minutes at computer at the moment..but she has had constipation on and off most of her life and is not fully bowel trained..she wears regular underwear but we have episodes of soiling sometimes up to 10 times a day sometimes only once .so am interested to know if anyone else has this with their child. > But mainly I joined to see how you all cope with your daughters reaching puberty and such..she is developing breasts and pubic hair so guess she will get periods soon but whenever we try to talk to her about it all she goes all on the defense and says she not interested or she would rather die or just puts hands on ears and starts making loud noises so she cant hear what we are saying. I think the thought of blood terrifies her as she is terrified of blood. > anyway that is all for now till i get to know you all and see what sorts of things you chat about on here > > Regards > Sharon > NZ > > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hi sharon this is of me Sondra a old past friend from e lists. it is much fast in time to know you baby is of 3 now. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Sharon Tuffley <tuffley@p...> wrote: > Hi All > I just joined this group and wanted to send an introduction. > I am Sharon (39) and my hubby is Danny (44) and we live in New Zealand with our two girl who will be 13 in april and who is 3 later this month. > is on the autism spectrum. > wont go into the long and tiring process of getting diagnosis here as only got a few minutes at computer at the moment..but she has had constipation on and off most of her life and is not fully bowel trained..she wears regular underwear but we have episodes of soiling sometimes up to 10 times a day sometimes only once .so am interested to know if anyone else has this with their child. > But mainly I joined to see how you all cope with your daughters reaching puberty and such..she is developing breasts and pubic hair so guess she will get periods soon but whenever we try to talk to her about it all she goes all on the defense and says she not interested or she would rather die or just puts hands on ears and starts making loud noises so she cant hear what we are saying. I think the thought of blood terrifies her as she is terrified of blood. > anyway that is all for now till i get to know you all and see what sorts of things you chat about on here > > Regards > Sharon > NZ > > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 oh yes i remember you Sondra I somehow lost track of you..prob in a computer crash or something lost your email address and I left a few lists when I had ..how are you ? Sharon Hi sharon this is of me Sondra a old past friend from e lists. it is much fast in time to know you baby is of 3 now. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Sharon Tuffley <tuffley@p...> wrote: > Hi All > I just joined this group and wanted to send an introduction. > I am Sharon (39) and my hubby is Danny (44) and we live in New Zealand with our two girl who will be 13 in april and who is 3 later this month. > is on the autism spectrum. > wont go into the long and tiring process of getting diagnosis here as only got a few minutes at computer at the moment..but she has had constipation on and off most of her life and is not fully bowel trained..she wears regular underwear but we have episodes of soiling sometimes up to 10 times a day sometimes only once .so am interested to know if anyone else has this with their child. > But mainly I joined to see how you all cope with your daughters reaching puberty and such..she is developing breasts and pubic hair so guess she will get periods soon but whenever we try to talk to her about it all she goes all on the defense and says she not interested or she would rather die or just puts hands on ears and starts making loud noises so she cant hear what we are saying. I think the thought of blood terrifies her as she is terrified of blood. > anyway that is all for now till i get to know you all and see what sorts of things you chat about on here > > Regards > Sharon > NZ > > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 oh yes i remember you Sondra I somehow lost track of you..prob in a computer crash or something lost your email address and I left a few lists when I had ..how are you ? Sharon Hi sharon this is of me Sondra a old past friend from e lists. it is much fast in time to know you baby is of 3 now. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Sharon Tuffley <tuffley@p...> wrote: > Hi All > I just joined this group and wanted to send an introduction. > I am Sharon (39) and my hubby is Danny (44) and we live in New Zealand with our two girl who will be 13 in april and who is 3 later this month. > is on the autism spectrum. > wont go into the long and tiring process of getting diagnosis here as only got a few minutes at computer at the moment..but she has had constipation on and off most of her life and is not fully bowel trained..she wears regular underwear but we have episodes of soiling sometimes up to 10 times a day sometimes only once .so am interested to know if anyone else has this with their child. > But mainly I joined to see how you all cope with your daughters reaching puberty and such..she is developing breasts and pubic hair so guess she will get periods soon but whenever we try to talk to her about it all she goes all on the defense and says she not interested or she would rather die or just puts hands on ears and starts making loud noises so she cant hear what we are saying. I think the thought of blood terrifies her as she is terrified of blood. > anyway that is all for now till i get to know you all and see what sorts of things you chat about on here > > Regards > Sharon > NZ > > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 oh yes i remember you Sondra I somehow lost track of you..prob in a computer crash or something lost your email address and I left a few lists when I had ..how are you ? Sharon Hi sharon this is of me Sondra a old past friend from e lists. it is much fast in time to know you baby is of 3 now. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Sharon Tuffley <tuffley@p...> wrote: > Hi All > I just joined this group and wanted to send an introduction. > I am Sharon (39) and my hubby is Danny (44) and we live in New Zealand with our two girl who will be 13 in april and who is 3 later this month. > is on the autism spectrum. > wont go into the long and tiring process of getting diagnosis here as only got a few minutes at computer at the moment..but she has had constipation on and off most of her life and is not fully bowel trained..she wears regular underwear but we have episodes of soiling sometimes up to 10 times a day sometimes only once .so am interested to know if anyone else has this with their child. > But mainly I joined to see how you all cope with your daughters reaching puberty and such..she is developing breasts and pubic hair so guess she will get periods soon but whenever we try to talk to her about it all she goes all on the defense and says she not interested or she would rather die or just puts hands on ears and starts making loud noises so she cant hear what we are saying. I think the thought of blood terrifies her as she is terrified of blood. > anyway that is all for now till i get to know you all and see what sorts of things you chat about on here > > Regards > Sharon > NZ > > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Hi Pat, > i became aware of 'RAW MILK' by > coming across the website: realmilk.com. Yeah, I really love that website! I'm new to raw milk also, but I wanted to say welcome to you. By the way, while you're waiting on setting up a raw milk program close to you, be sure and check out the raw milk from Organic Pastures. They have delicious raw dairy products: http://www.organicpastures.com/ Check 'em out cause you'll find interesting info there too. ' raw dairy newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Hi Pat, > i became aware of 'RAW MILK' by > coming across the website: realmilk.com. Yeah, I really love that website! I'm new to raw milk also, but I wanted to say welcome to you. By the way, while you're waiting on setting up a raw milk program close to you, be sure and check out the raw milk from Organic Pastures. They have delicious raw dairy products: http://www.organicpastures.com/ Check 'em out cause you'll find interesting info there too. ' raw dairy newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Hi: Welcome. I know there are people looking for good goat milk so you shouldn't have a problem with drumming up some customers from this list. Sounds like you have happy goats and clean milk. Good luck with your little dairy. K.C. Introduction Hi, My name is Dween Muse, I live in Summit, Mississippi and subscribed with scootter@... as my email address. I am a farmer that produces raw goat milk. Mississippi allows raw milk sales from the farm only. And I qualify under the law as there are never more then 9 goats whose milk goes into the production tank. My goats are milked with a machine, and the milk bottled in new gallon milk jugs per Mississippi law. My goats are raised without antibiotics, and are healthy. Dween Musewww.musemark.com SW MississippiPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 > See, I told you Dween (LOL). > Dear Tinybabe I told Dween about this group and he allready knew that I wanted some milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 And I thought the group was helping really quickly. Well, maybe soon she will have more people to drink the great milk I'm sure her goats give. K.C. Re: Introduction > See, I told you Dween (LOL).>Dear Tinybabe I told Dween about this group and he allready knew that I wanted some milk. PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Hi Alice! Welcome to the group. Great that your daughter has sibs to show her the way. Mine is an only child and I worry constantly about who will help her when we're gone (Mom & Dad). I always said that the blessings of sibs for an autistic kid is that chances are good that one of the sibs will look after them when you're gone. Diane Introduction Hi, My name is Alice Gould and I am new to the group. I have an 11 year old daughter who has Autism. We have known for years she had severe problems, and she was just recently diagnosed. She had been diagnosed previously with severe adhd and multi learning disabilitiess. The good news has been that even with the incorrect lables, she has thrived. It is a blessing for us to have the diagnosis, because my hubby and I now have a clearer path to travel and moreway to help her! Dani is my daughter's name. She has four older sibs who adore her and help her in every way they can. That is a blessing too! I just wanted to " claim my seat " here in the group and say hello to all of you. Blessings and Light, Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 In a message dated 4/8/2005 1:40:16 PM Central Daylight Time, ds2400@... writes: I always said that the blessings of sibs for an autistic kid is that chances are good that one of the sibs will look after them when you're gone. yep, i feel this way too...all of my kids have autism...and the thought of my husband and me being gone some day just terrifies me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Hi Jeanette, Welcome! Boy, I thought we had it tough... it always puts things in perspective when we meet people with far greater challenges than we have. Aliza --- Jeanette wrote: > Hello all, > My name is Jeanette. My husband and I are > parent's of 6 children. 5 > of our children are labeled autistic. I am glad to > have found this > group. > Our oldest is 14 and the youngest is 4. Only our > 7 year old > daughter is unaffected. > Thanks for letting us join. > Jeanette > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Welcome. Are you Jeanette and O'Donnell who live in Austin? I have read so much about your family and can relate to having a t.v. for every member in the house. I have a 6 year old son who has autism and my family has been a member of this group for 1 1/2 years and it's been a blessing to be able to learn and participate everyday. There are some extremely wise and knowledgeable people on this list. I have learned so much from them and have made some friends in the process. Reece - Houston, TX Introduction Hello all, My name is Jeanette. My husband and I are parent's of 6 children. 5 of our children are labeled autistic. I am glad to have found this group. Our oldest is 14 and the youngest is 4. Only our 7 year old daughter is unaffected. Thanks for letting us join. Jeanette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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