Re: BCBA/BCABA and other alphabet soup

[Guest guest]

I have to strongly agree with here, and I am a parent, not a BCBA.

I have two boys on the autism spectrum, and have been doing home ABA

programs with them for about 10 years now. There is a reason to want to

have BCBA certification - I have had people with and without

certification running my home programs, bachelors level (when we

started, we couldn't even find a masters level behavior analyst, so we

had a grad student running our program), masters level behavioral

psychologists, and then PhD level people, both BCBA's and non-BCBAs.

Yes, experience is very important, but so are the credentials of BCBA

and also the advanced training in behavioral psychology. The person I

have now is a BCBA, master's degree, and has all-but dissertation PhD

training/credentials. Along with over 25 years of experience with

programs like the New England Center for Children and the May Center as

well as in school district programs. So I do believe that a MINIMUM

credential is a masters degree in behavioral psychology with a limited

license and/or a BCBA is what you want to see. But that is a minimum,

not necessarily sufficient, along with that you need experience, the

more the better. YOU NEED BOTH!!

I have very big concerns when I see a person with a BA and no

certification setting up an autism center - yes, the experience is

helpful, but I would really question the knowledge base without the

advanced training. If someone has been working for 10 years in the

field, why haven't they pursued a master's/PhD degree and/or the BCBA or

BCABA? Sorry, but I think it is very important in my experience with my

own children and also as someone who has seen a lot of other parents'

home programs. Again, you need both experience and advanced

training/certification.

Barb B

Ann Arbor MI

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> Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:03 pm (PDT)

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> Until there is licensing for Behavior Analysts, anyone can call

> themselves a 'behavior analyst'. And I am sure that there are many out

> there without any academic credentials who do just fine and I expect

> that Meghan is probably one of them. Still, I put in a lot of time,

> effort, and money to become board certified. I have no problem with

> someone calling themselves a consultant but a 'behavior analyst' with no

> academic or board credentials offends me.

> I am a dog trainer with many years of experience. I have put obedience

> titles on many dogs of different breeds--but I do not call myself an

> animal behaviorist. There are certified animal behaviorists out there.

> Some of them have less experience than I but I do not believe that gives

> me the right to call myself an animal behaviorist. It is a matter of

> respect, in my opinion.

> MS BCBA with years of experience as a special education

> teacher

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Rather than emphasizing certification, regulation and authority, I

believe we (?) this board, should emphasize, where it doesn't

(perhaps) " honesty, " reason and communication, for understanding

more, of meaningful behavior, thereof, I would think? ... within our

means, of course? .. . What could " be " more reasonable than that? is

not a question for me.. .

Where people make no sense, to those who need help with that.. . the

honesty of " saying " (communicating) so, of reason, thereof, should be

all one needs towards finding the right answer and ABA candidate, in

that respect, is my sense of It, of the results of reason and

conscience, thereof? perhaps. Come to think of it, it's like ABA

itself, (!) the process of finding a good ABA practitioner, of the

results you " get, " of reason and value, thereof? .. . (Some of

us " haven't " convinced me in that respect of their points, of the ABA

way of doing so? No. Not so much as some would suggest, perhaps,

where ABA is more about reason than authority, otherwise? Would that

be of authority at all, except perhaps, of steps along The way? .. .).

We've got results all over the map with respect to who was certified

and who was not with " our " ABA home-programming efforts. We got crap

from the schools, (mostly) as certified and regulated as they were?

relative to ABA as we here see it? .. . Our worst results came from

the most certified group we had, (!) of which there was no regulation

or objective authority to deal with it, of reason, otherwise? .. .

This is It. [Don't think politics? " Please " don't]

Those are the facts, as much of fact, of The feeling/s, as you may

ever find for what that could achieve? of the most value to our

selves, is my sense of It.. .

The truth of understanding more is the ultimate regulator of

understanding more and meaningful behavior, thereof, is my sense of

It. If you can't tell the truth (without being punished or abused?)

no certification, regulation or authority will do you any good is

also my sense of things, of the problem, perhaps?

[i'm;] On representing " my " self and helping others (our students?)

represent their interests and selves, thereof.. . I'd also add, for

all it's worth, Thereof (Do you see anyone touching this

A true leader would send me the consideration I'm worth and deserve

in that respect (of making a better leader out of me?) is also my

sense of It.. I shouldn't have to ask for It from such a person is

also my sense of, Communication?!.

You either have It or you don't in this respect of that.

Mike,

I ABA

ABA for Understanding

What you believe " is " God? where you have to believe in something at

all? .. . What I " understand " is God to me, Thereof! Could that be

what makes our children tick? And who are we to tell them

otherwise " wouldn't " be reasonable is also my sense of It, where

being less reasonable is also being abusive, relatively speaking? If

you can't do the analysis you shouldn't be doing ABA and you can't

fool someone who can? .. . whether you are certified to prove you can

or not by whatever authority does that? Justice (ABA?) begins at

home? Much is a lie, Thereof (.) Or perhaps you haven't noticed

What you need (I Feel) is an analyst who has taken the

analysis " further " than most, that you know, (?) and can " prove " that

directly to you by the nature of (doing) ABA? .. . and who would be

interested in you, your child, as a student, and would work for you,

thereof? I haven't found anyone like that, (sorry?) except some of

my line therapists, perhaps, surprisingly... (!) but I might be

someone like that, myself, for my self, thereof, " first? " Should I

be last? .. .

We're doing fine, thank-you? See " me " first before you take anyone

else's " opinions " on that? .. . of the nature of the beast? I also

try to determine who to delegate to and what to delegate in that

respect of, being worthy of my job? .. . I appreciate everyone in

that respect, especially BCBAs, Thereof! .. .

You might be just the person I'm looking for in that respect.

>

> I have to strongly agree with here, and I am a parent, not a

BCBA.

> I have two boys on the autism spectrum, and have been doing home

ABA

> programs with them for about 10 years now. There is a reason to

want to

> have BCBA certification - I have had people with and without

> certification running my home programs, bachelors level (when we

> started, we couldn't even find a masters level behavior analyst, so

we

> had a grad student running our program), masters level behavioral

> psychologists, and then PhD level people, both BCBA's and non-

BCBAs.

> Yes, experience is very important, but so are the credentials of

BCBA

> and also the advanced training in behavioral psychology. The

person I

> have now is a BCBA, master's degree, and has all-but dissertation

PhD

> training/credentials. Along with over 25 years of experience with

> programs like the New England Center for Children and the May

Center as

> well as in school district programs. So I do believe that a

MINIMUM

> credential is a masters degree in behavioral psychology with a

limited

> license and/or a BCBA is what you want to see. But that is a

minimum,

> not necessarily sufficient, along with that you need experience,

the

> more the better. YOU NEED BOTH!!

>

> I have very big concerns when I see a person with a BA and no

> certification setting up an autism center - yes, the experience is

> helpful, but I would really question the knowledge base without the

> advanced training. If someone has been working for 10 years in the

> field, why haven't they pursued a master's/PhD degree and/or the

BCBA or

> BCABA? Sorry, but I think it is very important in my experience

with my

> own children and also as someone who has seen a lot of other

parents'

> home programs. Again, you need both experience and advanced

> training/certification.

>

> Barb B

> Ann Arbor MI

>

> >

> > Posted by: " " luvsbt@...

> > <mailto:luvsbt@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20BCBA%2FBCABA%20and%

20other%20alphabet%20soup>

> > <cydlashacademy>

> >

> >

> > Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:03 pm (PDT)

> >

> > Until there is licensing for Behavior Analysts, anyone can call

> > themselves a 'behavior analyst'. And I am sure that there are

many out

> > there without any academic credentials who do just fine and I

expect

> > that Meghan is probably one of them. Still, I put in a lot of

time,

> > effort, and money to become board certified. I have no problem

with

> > someone calling themselves a consultant but a 'behavior analyst'

with no

> > academic or board credentials offends me.

> > I am a dog trainer with many years of experience. I have put

obedience

> > titles on many dogs of different breeds--but I do not call myself

an

> > animal behaviorist. There are certified animal behaviorists out

there.

> > Some of them have less experience than I but I do not believe

that gives

> > me the right to call myself an animal behaviorist. It is a matter

of

> > respect, in my opinion.

> > MS BCBA with years of experience as a special

education

> > teacher

>

>

>