Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Generally, on most of the problems we are having with the schools and the state with our kids? Reading other boards, (as well) and from my own direct experience with it, it seems to be a pattern that when our kids are out of their early IBI/ABA intensive one-on-one education (intervention) program(s) (where they should be so lucky to get them) they get lumped into a small special-needs class with maybe 6 to 10 kids with a special-ed teacher that may be only briefly familiar with ABA of taking a 6-hour course or so, with some EAs (education assistants/teaching assistants/TAs) who may not even have that much training That's what I'm aware of, of the situation for children beyond, maybe 6 or 7 years old? if anyone would want to corroborate that, of the facts, with their particular public school situation, that would be useful here, I would think. I'm also hearing (somewhat muffled/muted-like?) that we're " not " getting especially good results with that situation, for children even moderately disabled. Yes? No? For you? Wasn't it Lovaas, as well as others in the field, that warned that these kids do " not " develop so well in " like " company? of perhaps defaulting to the lowest denominator, of their emotional " resonance " perhaps? (That's new/s for you?) Add to that the dynamic of handling a more complex bunch of variables to do with group teaching, that creates exponential possibilites for problems related to Individual development and I'd say I see the problem, of the typical stream if not template for how schools try to teach special-needs kids as they age. (With fear, of " authority " and regulation, thereof, perhaps? The kids " tow " a line of " that, " method, where we get anything at all? Be thankful for that? (It used to be " worse, " they say, or I should imagine?) Would that really be " teaching? " I could think of a few other things to call it, and I'm not blaming the teachers so much, of also falling under that, dynamic? (of " Scary, " perhaps) From my experience, unless an ABA practitioner/therapist (special-ed teacher?) is very experienced and efficient, (or motivated) it usually takes more than one person doing one-on-one to do anything remotely close to what we can achieve with ABA and meaningful teaching, of a " single " individual. For those not so talented to multi-tasking and all that has to be done (not even considering at this point what a behavior analyst provides?) 2 and even 3 people may be necessary, certainly at a significant number of times through education, including measurement, and " treatment, " of the various therapy treatments required, is my sense of it, from my own " direct " previous and present experiences. Please don't tell me that's rubbish, for what I've got, because I've had more than a dozen (20 maybe?) people at my own home (forgetting the schools for the moment ) with all sorts of specialized education " credentials, " Master's Degrees and PhD's, on more than one ocassion.. . [The less educated proved to be some of the best, I kid you not!] and without the experience and the heart for the job (forgetting for the moment the extremely specialized education now academically required if not so often demanded? of educators serving educators perhaps? or would that be of politics? of the BCBA, etc?) they more than merely " seemed " INADEQUATE for the job, when by themselves (without my or my wife's help ) To expect meaningful results from the paradigm I'm hearing from, of the schools today, of a special-ed teacher and 1 or 2 or even 3 aides trying to do meaningful instruction and interaction (dare I say communication?) with several moderate to severely challenged special- needs children or students seems, " otherworldly? " (To capture the fun of it?) " Trips " would be especially problematic, thereof.. . That's my sense of that if not a problem to do with maybe a " million " kids in America? (and counting?) I'd say that is no small problem. A six hour course on how to do ABA (of learning theory!) for such a classroom situation is also no small problem relative to, what some parents are capable of (?) I'm " very " sure.. . I suspect many of them would work for free, but I would also wonder why they should have to, considering, well, you know? Does anyone else see it that way and what does anyone propose that we do about it? Barak Obama, or anyone in a position to do something, if not more, about that, are you listening? .. . Mike, I ABA ABA for Understanding More Does it really have to be a choice between 6 hours of specialized training with inadequate back-up, vs, 10 years of higher education with a typically unrealistic budget and nothing of the sort in resources on the horizon to do the best-outcome scenario? Why isn't there more " in between " bothers me, of, there really doesn't seem to be the " social " will for it, of our priorities, thereof? Where you are not satisfied with the situation you should at " least " say so, or you would have no one to blame but your self, when you understand what the problem is? .. . On doing the " analysis " more than the language? Food for your next " move, " perhaps, I can more than " just " hope.. It's easier to make your next move when you understand that (as much, perhaps?) is my sense of It.. . They also say the squeaky wheel gets the grease, at the expense of the other/s, perhaps? (And they also say a wheel too squeaky also gets replaced!) I'm not just about being squeaky for myself, is also my sense of, " Communication, " out in the " open " as I am, Thereof. [And] How I like to be.. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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