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Hi Judy. Flagyl is used to treat diarrhea caused by Protoza ( one celled

animals- Amoeba-like ) and Anerobic Bacteria ( Clostridium sp. ). Al R.

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>>judy, your story is very interesting and i'm so happy for you. i'm trying

to

>>help my friend myrna; the drs. don't seem to think there's much hope. She

>>found a dr. who would prescribe Metronidozol and knows nothing about it;

he

>>hasn't worked with the drug you're on, the minacin (spell?). do you know

>>anything about this metronidozol or flagyl? myrna is hanging on the

threads

>>of hope at this stage, she weighs 79 lbs. thank you for any help.

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Hi Judy: I think that the Macrolides or Quinolones would be the

antibiotics of choice for her, especially with a damaged immune system. At

this point, what does she have to lose. ( Why are Drs. concerned about drug

addiction when a person is dying of a painful disease ) Hope this helps a

little. Please remember that my experience is only with animals. My

knowledge on humans comes from what I have read and recieved from you

wonderful people, not by personal experience. Love ya Al R.

help, please

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>>>>judy, your story is very interesting and i'm so happy for you. i'm

trying

>>to

>>>>help my friend myrna; the drs. don't seem to think there's much hope.

She

>>>>found a dr. who would prescribe Metronidozol and knows nothing about it;

>>he

>>>>hasn't worked with the drug you're on, the minacin (spell?). do you

know

>>>>anything about this metronidozol or flagyl? myrna is hanging on the

>>threads

>>>>of hope at this stage, she weighs 79 lbs. thank you for any help.

>>>>

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In a message dated 5/9/2004 8:37:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

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> He is complaining of stabbing pains in his eyes this evening. He explains

> them as points coming into his eyes

I don't know how helpful this is, but I have had eye side effects from

chelation too, although they weren't painful. It was like my vision got crinkly

around the edges, like my peripheral vision was jumping around a little. Hard to

describe, and as I said it didn't hurt. It happened twice and each time it went

away when I lowered the dose.

Nell

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nne, Allie gets sick within one week of chelating her EVERY

TIME! It's always a cold type infection, sometimes requiring

antibiotics. She never needed antibiotics until after our first

round of chelation at 3 1/2 yrs old, developed pneumonia. I don't

know what's going on, other than it's screwing up her cysteine

levels? Anyone got a better explanation?

Debi

> Hi all,

> My son is 8 and on his 4th round of ALA only, ¼ ,mg per body

weight. He had

> a cold when we started chelating this weekend. We wrote to the

list Friday

> about whether to start or not, and we decided to go ahead. Well

it doesn't

> seem like it was the correct choice at the moment.

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Debi,

Do you have her off dairy products and on non-dairy PRObiotics? I presume she

has no mercury amalgam dental fillings. What chelator, dose, and dosing

schedule do you use?

S

>

nne, Allie gets sick within one week of chelating her EVERY <BR>

TIME! It's always a cold type infection, sometimes requiring <BR>

antibiotics. She never needed antibiotics until after our first <BR>

round of chelation at 3 1/2 yrs old, developed pneumonia. I don't <BR>

know what's going on, other than it's screwing up her cysteine <BR>

levels? Anyone got a better explanation?<BR>

<BR>

Debi<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

> Hi all,<BR>

> My son is 8 and on his 4th round of ALA only, ¼ ,mg per body <BR>

weight. He had<BR>

> a cold when we started chelating this weekend. We wrote to the <BR>

list Friday<BR>

> about whether to start or not, and we decided to go  ahead. Well <BR>

it doesn't<BR>

> seem like it was the correct choice at the moment. <BR>

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In a message dated 5/9/2004 10:06:07 PM Central Standard Time,

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Allie gets sick within one week of chelating her EVERY

TIME! It's always a cold type infection, sometimes requiring

antibiotics.

Are you monitoring her neutrophil/poly levels? DMSA, and sometimes DMPS, can

lower these making people more susceptible to infection and less able to

fight it off.

I'd also consider a possible allergy to whatever chelator you are using.

Gaylen

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nne,

How high is your dose? If side effects are bad, Andy says to lower the

dose. You don't pull that much less mercury and your child is much more

comfortable. Weird things can happen during these cycles. My son has had

several cycles where his eyes have gone in and out of focus the whole three

days. Other people report getting dizzy every time they turn their head.

So make sure he's getting the supps he needs (Vit C helps) and keep the dose

low.

Barb

[ ] Help please!

Hi all,

My son is 8 and on his 4th round of ALA only, ¼ ,mg per body weight. He had

a cold when we started chelating this weekend. We wrote to the list Friday

about whether to start or not, and we decided to go ahead. Well it doesn't

seem like it was the correct choice at the moment.

He is complaining of stabbing pains in his eyes this evening. He explains

them as points coming into his eyes. I thought it was from going out in the

sun after spending the last 4 days inside. So we put sunglasses on him.

However, it is still occurring after his bath inside tonight. He even

mentioned that it had happened before at Target a few weeks ago. Target is

full of fluorescent lights, so I thought it was about the brightness etc.

However this evening, he has been inside, and it is still happening

intermittently. Maybe it is a good thing, because he can finally express

himself, and this could have been happening for a long time and we just

didn't know about it. He has never wanted to go outside much, and we live in

Florida where it is bright most of the time.

I asked him if he was seeing the points or feeling them, and he said feeling

them.

Does anyone out there know what in the world is happening? I have no idea

really at this point.

Thanks for any input,

nne

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Barb,

We are using 12.5mg. He is 60 pounds. I thought this was about as low as I

could go.

He has had a harder time this round because he had a cold when we started. I

thought it was the tail end of the cold, and the ALA might help. However it

only got worse. He never had a fever, just a huge amount of head congestion.

He is behind on supplements for sure, since I can hardly get anything into

him.

I don't think I would do another round when he isn't feeling good first. I

learned my lesson.

nne

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nne,

How high is your dose? If side effects are bad, Andy says to lower the

dose. You don't pull that much less mercury and your child is much more

comfortable. Weird things can happen during these cycles. My son has had

several cycles where his eyes have gone in and out of focus the whole three

days. Other people report getting dizzy every time they turn their head.

So make sure he's getting the supps he needs (Vit C helps) and keep the dose

low.

Barb

[ ] Help please!

Hi all,

My son is 8 and on his 4th round of ALA only, ¼ ,mg per body weight. He had

a cold when we started chelating this weekend. We wrote to the list Friday

about whether to start or not, and we decided to go ahead. Well it doesn't

seem like it was the correct choice at the moment.

He is complaining of stabbing pains in his eyes this evening. He explains

them as points coming into his eyes. I thought it was from going out in the

sun after spending the last 4 days inside. So we put sunglasses on him.

However, it is still occurring after his bath inside tonight. He even

mentioned that it had happened before at Target a few weeks ago. Target is

full of fluorescent lights, so I thought it was about the brightness etc.

However this evening, he has been inside, and it is still happening

intermittently. Maybe it is a good thing, because he can finally express

himself, and this could have been happening for a long time and we just

didn't know about it. He has never wanted to go outside much, and we live in

Florida where it is bright most of the time.

I asked him if he was seeing the points or feeling them, and he said feeling

them.

Does anyone out there know what in the world is happening? I have no idea

really at this point.

Thanks for any input,

nne

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She does eat some dairy, with AFP Peptizyde. However, her first few

rounds of chelation she was still completely gfcf and still got ill.

She has not had any regression in the nearly year she's been off

gfcf with enzyme assist. She has no amalgams. I use approx. 5mg ALA

every 3-4 hrs. I say approx because they are in the 25mg caps and I

divide by eyeballing it. She is 43 lbs. I also use the suggested

list of supps in the files section. Before chelating she was sick

every 3 weeks with a cold-type virus, doc kept saying nothing

bacterial. Then she seemed to heal immunologically, rarely got sick

after that. Seems chelation is what triggers illness. I just had an

OAT, hair test, and food allergy testing run, still waiting on

results.

Debi

>

> Debi,

> Do you have her off dairy products and on non-dairy PRObiotics? I

presume she has no mercury amalgam dental fillings. What chelator,

dose, and dosing schedule do you use?

> S

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Nope, I don't have a doc overseeing. I went to a DAN! doc, but he

wants to use a different protocol, so I don't think I'll be going

back, I'm using Andy's protocol. I usually only chelate once every

few mos to allow her body time to recover. You think ALA allergy

might be to blame?

> Are you monitoring her neutrophil/poly levels? DMSA, and

sometimes DMPS, can

> lower these making people more susceptible to infection and less

able to

> fight it off.

>

> I'd also consider a possible allergy to whatever chelator you are

using.

> Gaylen

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Check for any additives/fillers in the ALA.

S

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Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:05:44 -0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Help please!

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Nope, I don't have a doc overseeing. I went to a DAN! doc, but he <BR>

wants to use a different protocol, so I don't think I'll be going <BR>

back, I'm using Andy's protocol. I usually only chelate once every <BR>

few mos to allow her body time to recover. You think ALA allergy <BR>

might be to blame?<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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> Are you monitoring her neutrophil/poly levels?  DMSA, and <BR>

sometimes DMPS, can <BR>

> lower these making people more susceptible to infection and less <BR>

able to <BR>

> fight it off.<BR>

> <BR>

> I'd also consider a possible allergy to whatever chelator you are <BR>

using.<BR>

> Gaylen<BR>

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It's Kirkman Labs. Other Ingredients: sorbitol, citric acid, plant

cellulose, sucralose, menthol flavor, silicon dioxide and natural

mixed fruit flavor

I don't see any of these as being a problem with her, but I guess

one never knows.

Debi

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>

> Check for any additives/fillers in the ALA.

> S

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>>Before chelating she was sick

> every 3 weeks with a cold-type virus, doc kept saying nothing

> bacterial. Then she seemed to heal immunologically, rarely got sick

> after that. Seems chelation is what triggers illness.

My son now rarely gets sick, but as chelation progressed, it did seem

that his virus issues increased.

I did another maintenance round of ALA last week/weekend. My son was

a little stimmy during this round, which I have not seen in a while.

I increased his Lauricidin, and once I stopped the round, he is MUCH

improved.

I would consider viral issues for your child.

Dana

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> It's Kirkman Labs. Other Ingredients: sorbitol, citric acid, plant

> cellulose, sucralose, menthol flavor, silicon dioxide and natural

> mixed fruit flavor

For my son, he would not have done well with the natural mixed fruit

flavor, and he would have REALLY FLIPPED on the menthol flavor.

No-Fenol enzyme can help some kids with those issues.

Dana

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> My wonderful, blooming 8 year old (which means he is doing 3 year

> old social/play things)

This is a good description of my son right now.

> First, let me note that his disposition was quite adorable

My son is also adorable LOL

We are not biased, are we?? =)

> 1. I gathered up the powdery remains and put them into 1 bottle so

> can I use it mixed up like that? There is quite a bit (They were in

> the rice capsules).

I would think that once the powder was exposed to that much air, that

they won't be effective for very long.

> 2. Two of them look almost the same. Would someone give me an idea

> which are what? I usually only give the No-F once a day but I give

> the other with meals.

No-Fenol and Zyme Prime look almost the same. I can't even tell them

apart. Peptizyde is darker.

> And just so you understand, we are relocating and I was in the

> garage engrossed with packing and had no idea he would even do

> this...sure, write on the walls, stack chairs looking for a cookie

> but eat enzymes?!?

Cute kids, aren't they?

=)

Dana

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Yes! The bands should never be worn when there is a fever. It can

make the temp even higher. Leave it off for the night. Bless your

heart!

Natasha

>

> My daughter is sick with a stomach virus, and has a fever of close

> to 101. I'm wondering if I should leave her DOCBand off until the

> fever goes down (these things always happen on a Friday evening

when

> I can't call anyone!)...Any advice?

> Thanks...

> Lee

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Yes! The bands should never be worn when there is a fever. It can

make the temp even higher. Leave it off for the night. Bless your

heart!

Natasha

>

> My daughter is sick with a stomach virus, and has a fever of close

> to 101. I'm wondering if I should leave her DOCBand off until the

> fever goes down (these things always happen on a Friday evening

when

> I can't call anyone!)...Any advice?

> Thanks...

> Lee

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I would take it off at least until tomorrow morning, so you can see

if her fever go away... and that is what they at CT told us when we

got 's DOC band.

Good luck,

andra (mommy to - 8 weeks in band)

>

> My daughter is sick with a stomach virus, and has a fever of close

> to 101. I'm wondering if I should leave her DOCBand off until the

> fever goes down (these things always happen on a Friday evening

when

> I can't call anyone!)...Any advice?

> Thanks...

> Lee

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I would take it off at least until tomorrow morning, so you can see

if her fever go away... and that is what they at CT told us when we

got 's DOC band.

Good luck,

andra (mommy to - 8 weeks in band)

>

> My daughter is sick with a stomach virus, and has a fever of close

> to 101. I'm wondering if I should leave her DOCBand off until the

> fever goes down (these things always happen on a Friday evening

when

> I can't call anyone!)...Any advice?

> Thanks...

> Lee

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Yes leave it off until the fever goes down to 99-how old is she? If she is

older than 6 months give her Motrin-it lasts longer and does a better job of

reducing the fever fast.

Good luck-

-Tammy,mom to Jake/brachy/plagio/tort/doc band

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>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:44:48 -0000

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>

>My daughter is sick with a stomach virus, and has a fever of close

>to 101. I'm wondering if I should leave her DOCBand off until the

>fever goes down (these things always happen on a Friday evening when

>I can't call anyone!)...Any advice?

>Thanks...

>Lee

>

>

>

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Leave it off at night until the fever has been under 100.5 for 24 hours. If you are controlling with tylenol during the day you could let her take a nap in it. However, don't risk the overheating at night. Fevers can spike so easily. Since she is sick chances are she is not doing much growing so you aren't missing any good rounding.

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My daughter is sick with a stomach virus, and has a fever of close to 101. I'm wondering if I should leave her DOCBand off until the fever goes down (these things always happen on a Friday evening when I can't call anyone!)...Any advice?Thanks...LeeFor more plagio info

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HI ! I know how you feel. Let me suggest to you what my loved

ones have suggested to me and that is to not stress and worry.

Easier said than done. As you alreday know the stress and worry will

only make things worse. I have exactly as you wrote and I still have

no answers. I just don't know if they will ever have any answers to

some of these mysteries. I think they will for you. I hope so. For

me they are still trying to figure out what is going on. I just had

more lab work done today and I return to the r/a on Sept. 7th. I am

covered with lidodorm patches on my back and knee and on one hand

with a wrist brace. I hope these patches aren't dangeros now that I

think about it. I am just in so much pain and I had to be able to

walk out to be taken to the hospital to have lab work and an mri

done and so on. I am trying. I will be hoping to hear good news from

you on Friday as sometimes it the medication that they give us can

elevate the liver enzymes. Maybe I''m wrong. I'm not a Dr. I wish

you the best. Try to relax and think positive!! It the best friendly

advice I can give you. Or have a good cry and get it over with. That

works too. :) I care! And that goes for each and everyone of you

in and out of this group who lives with chronic pain and any health

problems. With love, Marie

--- In , " Climer " <climers4@a...>

wrote:

> Hi all. I went in Monday to have my blood work done to determine

if I had RA

> or not, and they called me with the results today, and the

>

> nurse told me the doctor was very concerned about some of the

results. The

> test they do to check for RA was actually normal, but she

>

> said they did a sed rate and it was high as well as my liver

enzymes were

> high. Are results like these common with RA? I am sooo

>

> scared I don't know what to do. Can someone please have some

answers for me.

> I go into see the doctor friday morning. They wanted to

>

> see me ASAP.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

>

>

>

>

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HI ! I know how you feel. Let me suggest to you what my loved

ones have suggested to me and that is to not stress and worry.

Easier said than done. As you alreday know the stress and worry will

only make things worse. I have exactly as you wrote and I still have

no answers. I just don't know if they will ever have any answers to

some of these mysteries. I think they will for you. I hope so. For

me they are still trying to figure out what is going on. I just had

more lab work done today and I return to the r/a on Sept. 7th. I am

covered with lidodorm patches on my back and knee and on one hand

with a wrist brace. I hope these patches aren't dangeros now that I

think about it. I am just in so much pain and I had to be able to

walk out to be taken to the hospital to have lab work and an mri

done and so on. I am trying. I will be hoping to hear good news from

you on Friday as sometimes it the medication that they give us can

elevate the liver enzymes. Maybe I''m wrong. I'm not a Dr. I wish

you the best. Try to relax and think positive!! It the best friendly

advice I can give you. Or have a good cry and get it over with. That

works too. :) I care! And that goes for each and everyone of you

in and out of this group who lives with chronic pain and any health

problems. With love, Marie

> Hi all. I went in Monday to have my blood work done to determine

if I had RA

> or not, and they called me with the results today, and the

>

> nurse told me the doctor was very concerned about some of the

results. The

> test they do to check for RA was actually normal, but she

>

> said they did a sed rate and it was high as well as my liver

enzymes were

> high. Are results like these common with RA? I am sooo

>

> scared I don't know what to do. Can someone please have some

answers for me.

> I go into see the doctor friday morning. They wanted to

>

> see me ASAP.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

>

>

>

>

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