Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 REGARDING THE COMMENT ABOUT 1 HOUR OF NUTRITION OUT OF FOUR YEARS OF MEDICAL SCHOOL TRAINING. NO. I HAD OVER 70 HOURS OF NUTRITION, AND I SPENT OVER 500 HOURS IN NUTRITIONAL RESEARCH. OSTEOPATHIC SCHOOLS ARE FAR MORE INTERESTED IN NUTRITION THAN MD SCHOOLS. EACH SYSTEMS COURSE HAD AT LEAST 5 HOURS COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO NUTRITION OF THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM. I WON'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW MANY HOURS IN PHARMACOLOGY CLASS. ONE HOUR? MAYBE OVER 20 YEARS AGO IN AN MD SCHOOL. NOT TRUE ANYMORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Yes, ! This is the webpage article I found that tripped my memory of the sprout mention in Boutenko's book. And I believe that book might have been Green for Life. The book's been returned to the library, so it might not have been the title. It was a book about making green smoothies with lots of recipes, gave their story, had the story of a guy who drank only green smoothies for a year and lost some huge amount of weight. Same source in both instances regarding sprout toxicity, but it got me wondering about people's actual experiences. Interesting phrase you use there - saturation point. It's a kinder, gentler description of what I've gone through. When it comes to breakfast and snacks, I can have the same thing every day for about a week. After 5-7 days, I'm " bored with " or " sick to death of " whatever the breakfast / snack was and have to change to something else. Now I can proclaim " I've reach my saturation point with these peanut butter & banana sandwiches; it's time to switch to oatmeal! " - LOL Andresa > > > > I have read in more than one place on the internet to rotate greens > which I do all the time!� it's not ocd or neurosis... > > > > here is a link: > > > > http://greensmoothiesblog.com/green-smoothie-rotate/ > > � > > > > > > Patti� > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 MD's, and hospital nutritionists notion of nutrition is totally based on the fda's food pyramid, aka the American SAD diet. I'm an RN in an ICU and it's any wonder anyone gets well with the crap that's served at meal times, and the sugar laden supplement drinks given to those who aren't able to eat those awful meals. I've spoken to the nutritionists about alternative, healthier meals and they look at me like I have 3 heads. The bottom line is to get calories into the patients-no matter how poor the nutrition is, and doing a balancing act w/ blood glucose levels w/ the roughly every other diabetic patients I care for. But then again, if we ever enlightened the population w/ the curative properties of a natural, healthy diet, we'd never have patients-and repeat patients!!!! Re: Worry over alkaloids REGARDING THE COMMENT ABOUT 1 HOUR OF NUTRITION OUT OF FOUR YEARS OF MEDICAL SCHOOL TRAINING. NO. I HAD OVER 70 HOURS OF NUTRITION, AND I SPENT OVER 500 HOURS IN NUTRITIONAL RESEARCH. OSTEOPATHIC SCHOOLS ARE FAR MORE INTERESTED IN NUTRITION THAN MD SCHOOLS. EACH SYSTEMS COURSE HAD AT LEAST 5 HOURS COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO NUTRITION OF THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM. I WON'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW MANY HOURS IN PHARMACOLOGY CLASS. ONE HOUR? MAYBE OVER 20 YEARS AGO IN AN MD SCHOOL. NOT TRUE ANYMORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 SOOOO true! When my daughter decided to go vegetarian when she was quite young, I took her to a nutritionist even though I was well versed in vegetarian diets-just to be on the safe side. The nutritionist was CLUELESS! Later, when I myself was FORCED to become vegetarian due to protein digestion problems, I went again to a nutritionist-again clueless, especially when food allergies were thrown in to the mix. Over the years, any hospital visit has been a nightmare for me with my food allergy situation-they simply do NOT know how to deal with nutrition, above and beyond getting in all of the basic food groups. I have since gone back to school to get MY degree in nutrition, and what I was taught in school was pretty useless too-my knowledge comes hard earned, mostly from negative reactions to what is touted as " food " amongst the medical profession. Quite sad that SO many people are horribly ill, and many, if not most, are suffering from food related ailments. No one bats an eye if you say cigarettes cause cancer, but most will absolutely refuse to believe that chemical laden food does too! In my own case, I was STUNNED at the improvement in my health, simply from making dietary changes-no medications, no supplements, just chaning what and how I eat. This after wasting half of my life crippled because the uninformed specialists fail to recognize that food DOES matter. Again, no one thinks twice about about diabetics not being able to have sugar, but mention to someone that their lifelong eczema may be food related and they look at you like you are from another planet! > > MD's, and hospital nutritionists notion of nutrition is totally based on the fda's food pyramid, aka the American SAD diet. I'm an RN in an ICU and it's any wonder anyone gets well with the crap that's served at meal times, and the sugar laden supplement drinks given to those who aren't able to eat those awful meals. I've spoken to the nutritionists about alternative, healthier meals and they look at me like I have 3 heads. The bottom line is to get calories into the patients-no matter how poor the nutrition is, and doing a balancing act w/ blood glucose levels w/ the roughly every other diabetic patients I care for. But then again, if we ever enlightened the population w/ the curative properties of a natural, healthy diet, we'd never have patients-and repeat patients!!!! > > Re: Worry over alkaloids > > > > REGARDING THE COMMENT ABOUT 1 HOUR OF NUTRITION OUT OF FOUR YEARS OF MEDICAL SCHOOL TRAINING. > > NO. > > I HAD OVER 70 HOURS OF NUTRITION, AND I SPENT OVER 500 HOURS IN NUTRITIONAL RESEARCH. > > OSTEOPATHIC SCHOOLS ARE FAR MORE INTERESTED IN NUTRITION THAN MD SCHOOLS. EACH SYSTEMS COURSE HAD AT LEAST 5 HOURS COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO NUTRITION OF THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM. I WON'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW MANY HOURS IN PHARMACOLOGY CLASS. > > ONE HOUR? MAYBE OVER 20 YEARS AGO IN AN MD SCHOOL. NOT TRUE ANYMORE. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Gotta keep that gravy train rolling !!!!! Re: Worry over alkaloids > > > > REGARDING THE COMMENT ABOUT 1 HOUR OF NUTRITION OUT OF FOUR YEARS OF MEDICAL SCHOOL TRAINING. > > NO. > > I HAD OVER 70 HOURS OF NUTRITION, AND I SPENT OVER 500 HOURS IN NUTRITIONAL RESEARCH. > > OSTEOPATHIC SCHOOLS ARE FAR MORE INTERESTED IN NUTRITION THAN MD SCHOOLS. EACH SYSTEMS COURSE HAD AT LEAST 5 HOURS COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO NUTRITION OF THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM. I WON'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW MANY HOURS IN PHARMACOLOGY CLASS. > > ONE HOUR? MAYBE OVER 20 YEARS AGO IN AN MD SCHOOL. NOT TRUE ANYMORE. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Food pyramid? That ancient dinosaur? LOLOLOL!!! Totally agree with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Jeff, may have answered you already, but I thought I would chime in here too. Blenders and juicers are purported to pulverize the cell walls of vegetable matter (some do this better than others) . We can't digest cellulose effectively, so any intact cells will pass through without giving up their nutritional load. I've heard blending greens is basically like eating 4 times the amount put in the blender because so much more is released from the same amount. Our refined diet is making us lazy chewers and our primate cousins crush their greens much more efficiently than even humans making an effort to chew thoroughly! Juicing may even increase that multiplier again, plus it separates the cellulose fiber from the whole. I question whether that's a good idea and 's story has only firmed that belief. I know wheat grass juice is supposed to be something special, but I've also heard it's best to be sparing with it. But you're not wrong to associate the lack of saliva as causing some issues too. The lit on green smoothies I've read suggests swishing your smoothie around before swallowing to mix saliva in. I like mine cold and my teeth are sensitive (recent dental work) so I usually eat something along with mine to make sure I get sufficient saliva into the mix. ~ > > > > > > Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking > > the greens or using them raw in a smoothie?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Melody > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Ha! It does make a nice turn of phrase, doesn't it! See there, I am funny occasionally! I may may have to use it myself, it does sound nicer than, " Ugh! Not THIS again! " LOL! It happens to me quite a bit as well, especially with produce. I like to snack on carrots and tomatoes, but after a week or two of snacking on them quite a bit, I'll reach my " saturation point " . Makes pretty good sense that may be what is happening. I'm glad you brought it up, it's been an interesting discussion! Too interesting! I'm up too late and am getting behind on my Anthropology homework! >_< G'night all! (or G'day!) ~ > > > > > > I have read in more than one place on the internet to rotate greens > > which I do all the time!� it's not ocd or neurosis... > > > > > > here is a link: > > > > > > http://greensmoothiesblog.com/green-smoothie-rotate/ > > > � > > > > > > > > > Patti� > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Thank you Andresa!! What an absolutely lovely name!!! Melody > > > > Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking the greens or using them raw in a smoothie?? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Melody > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 How Cool Andresa. Happy Sprouting. Melody > > > > I have to tell you a GREENS story. Aside from eating my sprouts, I love to cook greens as a side dish every night. I had NEVER eaten canned greens of any time. > > > > I saw a can of 's canned collards and canned kale. Each can was BIG. Only $1.49 a can which would make 3 side dishes. I bought them for the experience. Never again. > > > > I opened both cans. Now we have two completely different greens here right? > > > > Well, BOTH looked exactly the same, smelled the same and tasted the same. > > > > I would never do this again, I just wanted the experience. > > > > Melody > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 The greensmoothiesblog.com is one of Boutenkenko's blogs. She is also listed as the author of the rawbc.org post you mentioned. So this case doesn't seem to be plagiarism. > > > > > > Daily rotating of greens sounds like more of a problem (neurosis, > OCD) > > > than a solution. And like you say, it's not cost effective. I really > > > doubt there is any reason not to eat a certain green or sprout or > what > > > have you every single day if that's what you love. I'm sure not > forcing > > > myself to make my smoothies with straight Kale or Mustard greens for > > > days on end waiting to get back to my beloved spinach. > > > > > > I really don't see this being a problem unless someone has a > sensitivity > > > or is eating in an unbalanced way, like going for an extended period > > > eating nothing but smoothies made from spinach or alfalfa sprouts to > the > > > exclusion of other foods. Then it would seem reasonable that you > could > > > accumulate levels of toxins particular to that one plant that your > body > > > could not excrete effectively enough and thus cause you an issue. > And > > > really, it's never a good idea to eat excessive amounts of any food, > > > especially to the exclusion of all others. > > > > > > Again, do you have a link to any this literature that discusses the > > > alkaloids in sprouts that has you so concerned? I had only really > heard > > > of alkaloids referred to in regard to " nightshade " veggies such as > > > potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc. As we don't typically > sprout > > > seeds of nightshade varieties, I wouldn't have thought alkaloids > were a > > > concern with sprouts. Maybe that's a question for the actual > > > Sproutpeople, Gil and Lori... > > > > > > ~ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Just a small correction... you will reduce the some of the " nasty stuff " by cooking greens and veggies, but by how much depends on what compound you are dealing with and how long you cook it. Some are just not destroyed by heat as easily as others. I'm pretty sure the oxalates in spinach are minimally reduced by cooking... ~ > > > > > > Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking the greens or using them raw in a smoothie?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Melody > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 That's good then! You never know with a blog! ~ > > > > Erm... I'm a little concerned that this blog you linked to appears to be > > almost word for word the same as this page I found: > > > > http://www.rawbc.org/articles/greensinstore.html > > > > Are these affiliated or is this plagiarism? I found the above when I was > > searching for info on what book Andresa (the OP) was referring to in her > > post. I think it is Green For Life by Boutenko. I'm going to > > see if I find the book, or maybe some that she references at the bottom > > of the page. > > > > This isn't really new info to me, per se... but it does bring up some > > interesting points that I want to explore further. I certainly don't > > find any fault in the advice to strive for more variety in one's diet. > > But I still question this idea that one must eliminate a food from ones > > diet for a period of time. I find I do agree with this idea of the body > > reaching a saturation point and then the liking for that food decreases > > dramatically, encouraging us to move on to other foods. I believe this > > happens to me quite often which is why I say I've been making and > > drinking green smoothies on and off for years. I make them for a few > > months and then kind of lose my taste for them, then after some time > > off, I enjoy them again. That's why I advised to listen to one's palette > > when judging how much was too much with any particular greens and > > sprouts. > > > > Personally, when I am just getting started with a new, potentially > > healthful food or habit (like sprouting, green smoothies, making kefir, > > etc), the more stressful, labor intensive, time consuming and expensive > > it is, the less likely I will be successful. And if it doesn't taste > > good, forget it! This is why I say " worrying " over alkaloids or > > oxalates, etc. is counter-productive. Switching up my smoothie greens > > DAILY would make me crazy! (thus the neurosis comment) I would get > > frustrated and scrap the whole idea. As I go along, I can work up adding > > more variety here and there. But when you're just beginning, I still > > think it's best not to worry too much or over-extend yourself or your > > budget trying to keep up with such an extensive rotation schedule, at > > least not at first. > > > > Again, my apologies, Patti. I hope I expressed myself better this time > > sans the open-mouth-insert-foot! Very interesting subject matter though, > > thanks for the link! > > ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Ok....wait a minute, I have been under the impression that eating alot of raw greens (kale, spinach, etc...) was not good. So I learned to make green ice cubes, for example, I buy a few bunches of organic kale(or whatever)...steam them until they are bright green and wilted, puree them in my blendtec, and pour them into mini muffin pans and into the freezer. Then when froze I put them all into a ziploc & store them. I thought that steaming them would help neutralize the negatives, and it sure is convenient to make smoothies with the little " vitamin pucks " . Am I off on this assumption? Steve > Not so much as that when you EAT them-you eat a small amount. When JUICING them, it takes far more than one could eat just to make a small glass of juice. Raw or cooked, they still contain the oxalates or amines, etc. Cooking doesn't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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