Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 OK, I will tell you from the position of working with a commuity college. Which may or may not deal with a high school (but feel it probably does) , We did hae a " collegiate high school " . If someone is going to be working with a high school level student (and it was possible since we had a " collegiate high school " which meant that the possibilty was that one would work with a " high school level " student, then we were required by law to require the instructor to go through fingerprinting, etc. process. And this was Florida. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:02:07 -0000 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Venting again. > > > > > > That is so insane I can't tell you. It's their loss. You would have been a > heck of a teacher. > > Melody > > >>> > > >>> > > When I first became a Mater Gardener, I wanted to work in school gardens >>> with the kids. Each opportunity that came up fell thru for one reason or >>> another. Many because I don't speak Spanish. >>> > > Today I heard of a school that wanted to start a garden. Went over to >>> talk to the Principal. Was told that I would have to go to the District >>> Office to fill out a Volunteer Form. Did so. They would not take my >>> certification and fingerprint information from either the County or State. >>> They wanted me to pay $40 to be processed. I said, " No Thank You'. >>> > > I wonder how many people are volunteering in their school district. >>> > > ew >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 wow I've never heard of anything quite like that! having to pay to volunteer?? sheshh that IS insane!!  Patti ________________________________ To: sproutpeople Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Venting again.  That is insane! Here you are trying to volunteer your time, and they put you through THAT? I am so sorry for THEIR stupidity-they are missing out on a gem of a teacher! I wonder if you would have been so easily dismissed had you offered to teach English as a second language...oh, wait...we no longer need English, do we?? > > When I first became a Mater Gardener, I wanted to work in school gardens with the kids. Each opportunity that came up fell thru for one reason or another. Many because I don't speak Spanish. > Today I heard of a school that wanted to start a garden. Went over to talk to the Principal. Was told that I would have to go to the District Office to fill out a Volunteer Form. Did so. They would not take my certification and fingerprint information from either the County or State. They wanted me to pay $40 to be processed. I said, " No Thank You'. > I wonder how many people are volunteering in their school district. > ew > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 At the Junior College where I volunteer, I had to fill out paperwork. Read rules and sign that I understood them, there was no fee involved. I had to pay for finger printing and a background check before I could take the Master Gardener training. I understood what that was for, but this school district will not accept my records from County of Los Angeles. They want to do their own. I wonder how much of the $40 is some sort of profit. ew Re: Venting again. > > > > > > That is so insane I can't tell you. It's their loss. You would have been a > heck of a teacher. > > Melody > > >>> > > >>> > > When I first became a Mater Gardener, I wanted to work in school gardens >>> with the kids. Each opportunity that came up fell thru for one reason or >>> another. Many because I don't speak Spanish. >>> > > Today I heard of a school that wanted to start a garden. Went over to >>> talk to the Principal. Was told that I would have to go to the District >>> Office to fill out a Volunteer Form. Did so. They would not take my >>> certification and fingerprint information from either the County or State. >>> They wanted me to pay $40 to be processed. I said, " No Thank You'. >>> > > I wonder how many people are volunteering in their school district. >>> > > ew >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 The dumb part is that they won't take the fingerprints you already have on record with the state as good enough. Bridgette > When I first became a Mater Gardener, I wanted to work in school gardens > with the kids. Each opportunity that came up fell thru for one reason or > another. Many because I don't speak Spanish. > > Today I heard of a school that wanted to start a garden. Went over to > talk to the Principal. Was told that I would have to go to the District > Office to fill out a Volunteer Form. Did so. They would not take my > certification and fingerprint information from either the County or State. > They wanted me to pay $40 to be processed. I said, " No Thank You'. > > I wonder how many people are volunteering in their school district. > > ew > -- Know anyone that is sick? Cancer, Fibromyalgia, Severe Illness, Arthritis, Chronic Pain or something else Stage 4 cancer clinical study shows 60% remission. Balances immune system Want to feel/get better? 1411.mylifeintl.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Years ago, when I first retired, I volunteered at the Fullerton Arboretum. They made me join the the Arboretum Society. That fee was tax deductible, so that was ok. ew Re: Venting again. That is insane! Here you are trying to volunteer your time, and they put you through THAT? I am so sorry for THEIR stupidity-they are missing out on a gem of a teacher! I wonder if you would have been so easily dismissed had you offered to teach English as a second language...oh, wait...we no longer need English, do we?? --- In sproutpeople%40yahoogroups.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 It is not a matter of just the fingerprints, but they have to do a criminal check and that needs to be current. That money probably all goes for the criminal search. I just don't know why it is necessary if a teacher is there to supervise and make sure of what goes on. If he had kids by himself then I understand, but here the teachers should be there when kids are working on things and he won't be there at other times. Conditions are not the same as someone who works in the school on a regular basis. When a parent comes into the school, they don't have to have a criminal check even if they are observing the classroom of the student as the teacher is there at all times. Custodians have to have a check as well as they have private areas in the school that could be secluded and when working on a regular basis, kids could be influenced and harmed. But someone who was just coming to help with plans during a period or two a day isn't the same as the teacher should be there unless they want to dump kids on the volunteer and the teacher take a break. That isn't appropriate.   Some schools actuall pay to have people come and help with gardens at school. Really stupid isn't it. Maybe you can get other parents who would agree with you and who could approach the board to tell them they should be paying your criminal check fee. If you have enough parents and they go to the superintendent and to the board, you would likely get it taken care of. There is political power on boards. They get elected by the people in the area. Try to get people organized. Might try starting at the PTA and telling them of the problem and charge to volunteer and tell them what you can do for them and they have turned you down unless you pay them $40 to come and volunteer. Think " how can I influence them to have a gardening program here " instead of just accepting their initial denial.  Carolyn Wilkerson  To: sproutpeople Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Re: Venting again.  The dumb part is that they won't take the fingerprints you already have on record with the state as good enough. Bridgette > When I first became a Mater Gardener, I wanted to work in school gardens > with the kids. Each opportunity that came up fell thru for one reason or > another. Many because I don't speak Spanish. > > Today I heard of a school that wanted to start a garden. Went over to > talk to the Principal. Was told that I would have to go to the District > Office to fill out a Volunteer Form. Did so. They would not take my > certification and fingerprint information from either the County or State. > They wanted me to pay $40 to be processed. I said, " No Thank You'. > > I wonder how many people are volunteering in their school district. > > ew > -- Know anyone that is sick? Cancer, Fibromyalgia, Severe Illness, Arthritis, Chronic Pain or something else Stage 4 cancer clinical study shows 60% remission. Balances immune system Want to feel/get better? 1411.mylifeintl.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I was in Ohio and fingerprint and criminal check was necessary there. Community college is different as it is college not high school. Though it is true that they could have college students so I don't know about them. I only knew that substitute teachers had to have the criminal checks and they have to be updated every so often. I don't know what they do for their certification to teach but that is state level and they have to have a criminal check when they work in the school system, or at least the county office there as they did the tests, etc. from the county office. Carolyn Wilkerson  To: sproutpeople Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Venting again.  OK, I will tell you from the position of working with a commuity college. Which may or may not deal with a high school (but feel it probably does) , We did hae a " collegiate high school " . If someone is going to be working with a high school level student (and it was possible since we had a " collegiate high school " which meant that the possibilty was that one would work with a " high school level " student, then we were required by law to require the instructor to go through fingerprinting, etc. process. And this was Florida. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:02:07 -0000 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Venting again. > > > > > > That is so insane I can't tell you. It's their loss. You would have been a > heck of a teacher. > > Melody > > >>> > > >>> > > When I first became a Mater Gardener, I wanted to work in school gardens >>> with the kids. Each opportunity that came up fell thru for one reason or >>> another. Many because I don't speak Spanish. >>> > > Today I heard of a school that wanted to start a garden. Went over to >>> talk to the Principal. Was told that I would have to go to the District >>> Office to fill out a Volunteer Form. Did so. They would not take my >>> certification and fingerprint information from either the County or State. >>> They wanted me to pay $40 to be processed. I said, " No Thank You'. >>> > > I wonder how many people are volunteering in their school district. >>> > > ew >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 In public schools it is to ensure safety of students and prevent school liability in hiring people with records. If they have a felony, they cannot teach. If there is any violence they can't teach and that could be just charges in relation to custody dispute and something filed by the other. Can over come that but they checkit out. And it tries to exclude pedophiles as well. Anyone with porn or history of molestation or staring in windows, etc. are not hired. If they don't search, and something happens, then the school is liable for not being more careful with their hiring practices. Carolyn Wilkerson  To: sproutpeople Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:41 PM Subject: Re: Venting again.  Personally, it really doesn't matter about these checks. They have been doing it for years, not just after 9-11. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that these security checks are only for the benefit of the college/medical school/EMT class which I have had to go through. This information is shared to whatever the appropriate venue if a warrant pops up on someone. When I was taking my EMT course at Mt. San College, we were all warned by our instructor that a security check would be done, and if any of us may have any kind of warrant, just leave NOW. Or the class will most likely be crashed by the cops/fed marshals/etc. and drag someone's sorry ass away. It's just another means of trying to catch those on the lam. That's all. Which is one reason why they do fingerprinting to confirm you are who you say you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 You went to MSAC? So did I. Graduated in 1959. Do you live close by? ew Re: Venting again. Personally, it really doesn't matter about these checks. They have been doing it for years, not just after 9-11. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that these security checks are only for the benefit of the college/medical school/EMT class which I have had to go through. This information is shared to whatever the appropriate venue if a warrant pops up on someone. When I was taking my EMT course at Mt. San College, we were all warned by our instructor that a security check would be done, and if any of us may have any kind of warrant, just leave NOW. Or the class will most likely be crashed by the cops/fed marshals/etc. and drag someone's sorry ass away. It's just another means of trying to catch those on the lam. That's all. Which is one reason why they do fingerprinting to confirm you are who you say you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 This is a local elementary school. The garden is currently for pre-schoolers. I would only be there for advice. I have an appointment with the Princpal on Tue. If she wants me, I'll go to a board mmeting with my creditials and ask questions. ew Re: Re: Venting again. I was in Ohio and fingerprint and criminal check was necessary there. Community college is different as it is college not high school. Though it is true that they could have college students so I don't know about them. I only knew that substitute teachers had to have the criminal checks and they have to be updated every so often. I don't know what they do for their certification to teach but that is state level and they have to have a criminal check when they work in the school system, or at least the county office there as they did the tests, etc. from the county office. Carolyn Wilkerson F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Wow, Border… 400 to 500 inches a year. Calculating on the low side that's 12 million gallons per acre per year. That is definitely wet! How much do you get in Kenai? Lee > I live in the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska now, but I visit my parents at least twice a year. It's definitely a little warmer than the Interior, but I STILL cannot grow a decent tomato. The summers are too cool with more rain than tomatoes like. Prior to Kenai, I lived in Ketchikan where we were getting upwards to 400-500 inches of rain a year. It's truly a temperate rainforest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I don't think it is just California. I was really surprised when I came to Florida and got the " watch " list for sex offenders on email. There were so many little blocks where sex offenders live and work that I was shocked. There were 2 in my mobile home park (55 and over). They seem to have gone though according to the map I look at from time to time. but how many don't register when they move? Carolyn Wilkerson  To: sproutpeople Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: Venting again.  Because we might be working with children and there a lot of very weird people here in California. I didn't mind it. I'm proud to have nothing to hide. ew Re: Venting again. Why do you need to be fingerprinted and have a background check to become a Master Gardener? That confuses me more than the volunteer thing. Though I agree it's silly that they won't accept what's already in file - unless it was so long ago they think you've fallen into bad ways and need to be checked out again. LOL. Andresa > > At the Junior College where I volunteer, I had to fill out paperwork. Read rules and sign that I understood them, there was no fee involved. > > I had to pay for finger printing and a background check before I could take the Master Gardener training. I understood what that was for, but this school district will not accept my records from County of Los Angeles. They want to do their own. > I wonder how much of the $40 is some sort of profit. > ew > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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