Stem Cell Therapy

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[ ] Stem cell therapy

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> Anyone else been to see Dr Payne and then crossed into Mexico for

> this? I received a very informative package from him, but I was

> wondering if anyone went recently and for those who have gone, how

> long ago was the first time you went...

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> " For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is

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> Anyone else been to see Dr Payne and then crossed into Mexico for

> this? I received a very informative package from him, but I was

> wondering if anyone went recently and for those who have gone, how

> long ago was the first time you went...

>

>

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My son 4 1/2 years old son w/ spastic quad cerebral palsy went to

mexico last August to have the shot. My feeling is we did not see

much if any improvement at all! It is a very expensive shot in the

stomach, especially when you do not see the physical gains you had

hoped/prayed for. Stem cell therapy (umbilical cord, bone marrow or

embryonic) for brain injured children needs much more research.

Hopefully, in the near future we will see true miracles! Let the

buyer beware.

Any related questions send me a direct e-mail

Jim

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if anyone does have any info on stem cell therapy in regards to brain

injury i would love to hear about it.

Thank you,

Pat Vosberg

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03/23/2005 09:37 PM

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[ ] Re: Stem cell therapy

>

> Anyone else been to see Dr Payne and then crossed into Mexico for

> this? I received a very informative package from him, but I was

> wondering if anyone went recently and for those who have gone, how

> long ago was the first time you went...

>

>

,

My son 4 1/2 years old son w/ spastic quad cerebral palsy went to

mexico last August to have the shot. My feeling is we did not see

much if any improvement at all! It is a very expensive shot in the

stomach, especially when you do not see the physical gains you had

hoped/prayed for. Stem cell therapy (umbilical cord, bone marrow or

embryonic) for brain injured children needs much more research.

Hopefully, in the near future we will see true miracles! Let the

buyer beware.

Any related questions send me a direct e-mail

Jim

" For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is

dead also. " [ 2:26]

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

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Re: [ ] Re: Stem cell therapy

if anyone does have any info on stem cell therapy in regards to brain

injury i would love to hear about it.

Thank you,

Pat Vosberg

" smitteesez " <smitteesez@...>

03/23/2005 09:37 PM

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Subject

[ ] Re: Stem cell therapy

>

> Anyone else been to see Dr Payne and then crossed into Mexico for

> this? I received a very informative package from him, but I was

> wondering if anyone went recently and for those who have gone, how

> long ago was the first time you went...

>

>

,

My son 4 1/2 years old son w/ spastic quad cerebral palsy went to

mexico last August to have the shot. My feeling is we did not see

much if any improvement at all! It is a very expensive shot in the

stomach, especially when you do not see the physical gains you had

hoped/prayed for. Stem cell therapy (umbilical cord, bone marrow or

embryonic) for brain injured children needs much more research.

Hopefully, in the near future we will see true miracles! Let the

buyer beware.

Any related questions send me a direct e-mail

Jim

" For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is

dead also. " [ 2:26]

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe to

by sending a blank email to

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My wife's uncle in Canada suggested that I investigate possibilities of getting

Stem Cell therapy presently available in HongKong. According to him, some

doctors in Vancouver are sending patients with Neuromuscular problems to

Hongkong for treatments.

I also came across site www.stemcellschina.com which has got number of

case studies...

Comments...Opinions...

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The companies that market stem cell therapy don't tell you that effects

of the treatment tend to wear off after a year, so you will need annual

treatments to maintain your gains. At $10,000 - $45,000 per treatment,

the costs can be very high.

Most of the stem cell clinics recommend that their patients buy

portable hyperbaric chambers and start HBOT 3-6 months after the

completion of the stem cell treatments. Research has shown that HBOT

increases stem cell mobilization.

For most people, mild HBOT over the long term will result in greater

benefits at a fraction of the cost of ongoing stem cell therapy.

Diane

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http://www.healingdives.com

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And again, it's proving useful with horses.

i don't have a dog (well not just yet, I'm holding off on her elbow

dysplasia surgery while they continue to refine teh stem cell approach, which

we

may consider an alternative.)...or a horse, or even a knee...but the

Regenerxx person did take care to identify herself and then describe what they

do. Personally, I don't have an issue with that, or with others pointing out

problems/issues with that approach.

In a message dated 9/5/2009 11:24:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

agileminis@... writes:

I am active in canine performance sports and have spent more out-of-pocket

funds for advanced care on my dogs than myself (shameful) and I follow

the

advances in canine therapy. Stem cell therapy has been successful in

treating some sports injuries on dogs and I personally know individuals in

my area whose pets have benefited from the procedures. We are fortunate to

have some top therapy vets in the land area.

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From my research it appears Platelet Rich Plasma will be the the new best thing

that could replace cartilage. Docs are already using it successfully for

ligaments and muscle tears, and will be trying it to replace cartilage next.

There are some videos on YouTube about it, it's from your own blood so no

rejection is likely. My daughter in law has an achilles tendon tear and her

local doc offered her repair by surgery or Platelet Rich Plasma, so it is going

mainstream.

I investigated microfracture, OATS, Carticel and allografts before my TKR, none

of them had a good success rate. The allografts (sterilized cadaver cartilage

transplant) was the specialty of an OS in Belgium but even he told me there was

a 20% failure rate and would mean crutches for 4 months.

I'm sure within the next 5 years something will come along that I'll wish I had

gotten. My timing is bad, I needed knees now.

Wish I could find that study on Stem Cell injections done a few years ago that

showed no improvement. I'll look for it again.

Hollie

> I am not a health care professional but wanted to share my surgeon's opinion

> on stem cell therapy (from a layman's point of view.)

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> I researched Regeneex but quickly had to discard the concept as I need my

> insurance benefits to pay for medical care and could not afford the $8,000+

> price tag of this procedure. But I wanted to ask my surgeon is there was

> something to consider with stem cell therapy.

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> I am active in canine performance sports and have spent more out-of-pocket

> funds for advanced care on my dogs than myself (shameful) and I follow the

> advances in canine therapy. Stem cell therapy has been successful in

> treating some sports injuries on dogs and I personally know individuals in

> my area whose pets have benefited from the procedures. We are fortunate to

> have some top therapy vets in the land area.

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> Anyway, my surgeon compared human stem cell therapy in knees to repairing a

> broken sidewalk. If you have some existing cement in the sidewalk but there

> is a chunk missing, stem cell therapy will fill in the missing chunk. But if

> your sidewalk is so broken up that almost all of the cement has disappeared,

> then there is nothing for the stem cells to attach to so this type of

> therapy is not an option. Major sports players with injuries have benefited

> from stem cell therapy and in their case, I'm guess money is not a problem.

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> My neighbor has delayed knee replacement by having the surgeon drill into

> her upper thigh bone to allow bone marrow to drip down into the knee

> providing knee fluid which was missing. He felt this would give her an

> additional 10 years, but after performing the surgery said she was only

> delaying knee replacement by about 3 years because once he was able to look

> at the knee joint he could see the amount of damage and loss of cartilage.

> (Don't quote me on the technical aspects of this procedure - just trying to

> give you a general idea of what was done.)

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> Hopefully the future will bring even more advances into health care - I'm

> grateful for my surgeon's care (just want this swelling to go away.)

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> Baker

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> TKR 7/20/09

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> From: Joint Replacement

> [mailto:Joint Replacement ] On Behalf Of BodyPhysics

> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:31 AM

> Joint Replacement

> Subject: Re: Moderator - Please address

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> Thanks for notifying me about this posting. You did a good job disproving

> this product and its claims by looking for information from a reputable

> source - the FDA.

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> Remember, use common sense. There are procedures out there that can treat

> arthritis and provide relief. Do your research and don't expect the quick

> fix.

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> Alisa Curry PT DPT

> Site Moderator

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> > > Hi Donna,

> > > I just read your post about your mom. I know you have surgery

> > > scheduled 6 months from now, but the company I work for does an

> > > alternative to knee replacement surgeries. I think it mightbe

> > > something you would like to look into, as the 'rehab' for the

> > > procedure is basicaly nothing becasue there is no 'surgery', just a

> > > couple of needle injections. Below is a summary of what we do, and

> > > you can always look at our website (www.regenexx.com). Of course,

> > > you can always send any questions/concerns directly to me via e-mail

> > > or you can call me (817) 807-6539.

> > >

> > > The Regenexx Procedure is a fairly new, but well studied procedure

> > > in which the patient's own stem cells are harvested, expanded, and

> > > then re-injected into the damaged joint. This non-operative

> > > procedure is done in our out-patient clinic in Broomfield, CO, and

> > > is considered a true 'needle-in/needle-out' procedure. This means

> > > the patient goes home the same day, without as much as a single

> > > stitch!

> > >

> > > A typical patient will first have a consultation with one of our

> > > doctors. During this consultation, the doctor will review the

> > > patients most current (within two years) MRI. He will then discuss

> > > with the patient his or her potential for success with this

> > > procedure. The patient will be ranked 'poor', 'fair', or 'good',

> > > based on a number of factors including, age, prior conditions, and

> > > extent of damage to the area. It is then up to the patient to

> > > decided if he or she would like to continue with the procedure.

> > >

> > > When the patient decided he or she would like to continue with this

> > > non-operative treatment, they would first come in for a blood draw

> > > and marrow aspirate from the hips. It sounds painful, but actually

> > > 83% of our patients said it was comfortable, and would do it again.

> > > That marrow and blood is then sent to our lab to be cultured and

> > > begin the process of expansion. During this process, the patients

> > > own stem cells are grown in our lab, with the help of nutrients from

> > > the patients own blood. We expand the stem cells until there are

> > > enough for 3 injections.

> > >

> > > Approximately 2 weeks later, the patient would return for his or her

> > > first injection. For this procedure, the area is sterilized, and the

> > > patients stem cells are injected via a needle, directly into the

> > > joint. The patient is then left to lie still for about 1 hour. After

> > > that, the patient is free to go. We actually suggest the patient

> > > walk the same day, many experience no down time. We then do another

> > > re-inject about 2.5 weeks later, and one more 2.5 weeks after that.

> > > Our research shows that 89% of our patients report a relief in

> > > symptoms.

> > >

> > > At this time, we have procedures for fractures that fail to heal,

> > > joint cartilage problems, partial tears of tendons, muscles, or

> > > ligaments, chronic bursitis, avascular necrosis of the bone, and

> > > bulging disc of the low back.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to contact me with any questions or comments about

> > > our procedure. You can also search our website a www.regennexx.com.

> > >

> > > D Long MEd, ATC, LAT, PES

> > > Director of Marketing

> > > Regenexx

> > > 817-807-6539

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: ladydxxxx <ladydxxxx@>

> > > Joint Replacement

> <mailto:Joint Replacement%40>

> > > Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:41:00 PM

> > > Subject: My Mother-finally scheduled TKR's

> > > with Dr. Mattingly

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello all,

> > > I do not post much but read the posts all the time. I am doing

> > > research for my Mom who desparately needs both knees replaced. She

> > > is 67, very overweight and can hardly move. She has gone to several

> > > surgeons for consults already and most made her feel terrible about

> > > herself, eventhough she understood their reasoning. Their main

> > > concern was her weight, and most said this would definitely

> > > complicate the rehab and possibly the surgery itself. Some would not

> > > even touch her, they said, until she lost weight. Anyway, not only

> > > has she been dealing with the pain an immobility and slight

> > > depression, she now felt no way out. But, I scheduled one more

> > > consult with a surgeon who came highly recommended by physical

> > > therapists that I used when I had my hip surgery. His name is Dr.

> > > Mattingly of Longwood Orthopedics in Boston (part of New

> > > England Baptist Hospital). After this consult, she has a knew

> > > renewed sense of hope. He did not even bring her weight up in the

> > > discussion initially and told her it is not an issue, eventhough the

> > > better shape she is in, the easier her rehab will be. I have now

> > > schedule surgery for her (6 months out!!! he's that good from what I

> > > understand). I would like to know if anyone has any opinions on Dr.

> > > Mattingly, or better yet, has anyone had them as their surgeon.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Donna

> > >

> > >

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Science does make advances of course but there is a difference between

researching available cutting edge proven drugs or procedures and

being taken in by for profit entities and completely untested

treatments -- we laugh now about the kinds of " nostrums " that were

used prior to the age of " science " and regulation " . Some were

dangerous and most were utterly worthless -- of course back then there

was no effective treatment for many illnesses.

Reputable treatments are tested in accordance with science -- that

includes double blind studies and peer review -- as well as submission

in the US for approval.

There are no end of quack treatments that have been offered over the

years -- and are still offered because of gaps in regulation and human

gullibility. The whole field of " supplements " is one that is clogged

with bogus claims for worthless and expensive pills because food

supplements aren't subject to the same kind of scrutiny as drugs are

in terms of claims.

Most recently one of the most common surgical treatments for back pain

was found to be of no value when it was administered with a " placebo "

group. The same placebo effect would be a significant factor in

injections in joints for pain relief.

On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:03 AM, jarcher107@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:47:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rosey9932000@... writes:

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> I'm sure within the next 5 years something will come along that I'll

> wish

> I had gotten. My timing is bad, I needed knees now.

>

> That would be my guess also. I think they may well find ways of

> allowing

> our bodies to regenerate cartilage before we start feeilng the pain

> that

> basically tells us " too late now. "

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>