Re: Editorial I am writing on tight schedule

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" This editorial is basically on the aftermath on likely momentum on/off

lgbt marriage after Prop 8 is defeated or is approved. Can you guys

please give feedback? It's not fully ready yet.

" http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfhrng9t_2cghb97fj "

This is a hot topic, but I see no reason why it cannot be discussed. To

my way of thinking, there are two separate segments of the population

that support Prop 8:

1) Defenders of the current legal and religious definition of marriage.

While it can be said that some of these people are indeed Holy Rollers

and bigots, it would be unfair to throw everyone into that category.

Some just feel that marriage is marriage.

2) People who mistakenly lump whackos in with those seeking a legal

marriage between two people of the same sex. I must admit that every

time I see a gay pride parade, the people who stand out from the crowd

are made up men in thongs waving around feathered boas and blowing air

kisses to the people who are watching them.

I know straight people and gay people, but ANYONE who acts that weird

makes me wonder about them. For me, all I do is wonder. But others

question the sanity of these people, and so they do not want laws

passed which would allow such people to have children if they were

married.

Thus Prop 8 unpassed would indeed cause couples to have the experiences

described in the article, but isn't there something for the argument

that a small minority of same sex couples by behaving in a silly way

screwed it up for ALL same sex couples?

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" To my way of thinking, there are two separate segments of the

population that support Prop 8: "

I meant to say that DON'T support Prop 8. "

Adminsitrator

[Guest guest]

Actually, they do support Prop 8. Prop 8 is a marriage ban.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:28 AM, environmental1st2003

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> " To my way of thinking, there are two separate segments of the

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> I meant to say that DON'T support Prop 8. "

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> Adminsitrator

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And as for the guys in thongs, personally... Even though the straight

part of me likes guys, I really do not want to see that much in

public!

[Guest guest]

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfhrng9t_2cghb97fj

I am now completing the final checks. What do you guys think?

[Guest guest]

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfhrng9t_2cghb97fj

" I am now completing the final checks. What do you guys think? "

Well, I think it is as good as any editorial is. But I also think you

open yourself up to attack on a number of fronts. The reasons why you

believe people are against gay marriage are standard ones that are not

necessarily true and tend to pigeonhole and stereotype people. Of

course there are people who are against gay marriage for precisely the

reasons you state, but I think the biggest hole in your editorial is

that people will resent being accused of having feelings or

rationalizations that they may not have.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" Actually, they do support Prop 8. Prop 8 is a marriage ban. "

Sorry about that. I have been rushed lately. I probably do not give all

these posts the attention they deserve.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I terrifically like the angry emotional starkne of that intro. It

doesn't protect the complacency of snooty respectable closed minds. It

shows them the social wrong they are doing and can't wriggle out of

that they are doing unless they change their view to yours. That's how

it should be with all social fairness causes.

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> This editorial is basically on the aftermath on likely momentum

on/off

> lgbt marriage after Prop 8 is defeated or is approved. Can you guys

> please give feedback? It's not fully ready yet.

>

> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfhrng9t_2cghb97fj

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[Guest guest]

I am probably late for this but wanted to let you know that I did read

your document.

First thing that struck me as odd was the loved one who carried the

marriage license with them, as I have never thought to do in my 18 years

of wedded bliss (ha ha) BUT if I were of a same sex couple, it may make

sense to carry this hard earned document with me.

Second thing I noted was that fact of straight couples offspring needing

psychiatric treatment more so than same sex couples. Well, seeing as

these couples and offspring would be in the greater majority for far

longer periods of recorded history, this would and should be no

surprise. That you mention it seems strange given that what has been

the overwhelming norm, of course treatment of children by those couples

would be more.

Third thing was the purpose of marriage. You mention couples who can

not have offspring and liken this to same sex couples. The difference

between the two is this, some straight couples do not KNOW that they can

not become pregnant until after they are married. They may have gone

into the union fully believing they would be able to have children. I

do not think that the situatation is comparable to same sex couples.

As for my own opinion on marriage, I think any relationship between two

people that want long term security and legal rights, should be able to

make it binding regardless of sex.

Kim