Re: Not for me

[Guest guest]

Agreed. We do tend to talk a lot about politics and things, but that is because it is the interest for some of us.

If you'd like to talk about living with AS, that would be great. Feel free to ask question or whatever you like.

In a message dated 12/10/2008 5:30:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

If you want to start a conversation about AS, be my guest. We can all chat about that.AdministratorMake your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

Don't his support for mandatory genetic testing. The line from him and the health care and insurance companies is that it will be to help improve health care services. I don't believe that for an instant. Its just like today when insurance companies ask about your family history and look at your record, then ramp up your premium based on speculation. Most people don't realize that is the case because their employer pays for the insurance.

A mandatory test like that would be ground for denial of coverage or being pushed to the back of the line before long.

Like says, this is primarily a site about AS, but usually it gets talked about indirectly. You can see it when people talk about their interests and also when others talk about troubles in their lives, with family, etc. Not much directly about AS unless someone asks.

In a message dated 12/10/2008 5:38:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

One added note, Obama being in office has direct relevance to autism as he is going to be using your tax dollars (if you live in the US) to pay for research into what causes it and how to cure it knowing full well that we already know what causes autism and that there is no cure. Some of us here are really annoyed with him for that and other reasons. Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

" I joined this group to talk about being an adult with AS, and trying

to learn more from others in my shoes. This group really seems to be

more about politics and the news. I really don't think this is the

group for me. Thanks for welcoming me in, but I really just don't

belong here. "

First and foremost, that is why we are here, but you will discover

Jaden, that having AS does not make us exempt from being normal

people in all other regards. We each have perseverative interests and

these tend to be likely topics for discussion when no one else brings

up anything.

If you want to start a conversation about AS, be my guest. We can all

chat about that.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" I joined this group to talk about being an adult with AS, and trying

to learn more from others in my shoes. This group really seems to be

more about politics and the news. I really don't think this is the

group for me. Thanks for welcoming me in, but I really just don't

belong here. "

One added note, Obama being in office has direct relevance to autism

as he is going to be using your tax dollars (if you live in the US)

to pay for research into what causes it and how to cure it knowing

full well that we already know what causes autism and that there is

no cure. Some of us here are really annoyed with him for that and

other reasons.

Further, as we sit here and bemoan the fact that we get picked on

because we are autistic, or excluded because we are autistic, or are

shunned because we are autistic, no one actually seems to want to

actually DO anything about changing their predicament. For instance,

if everyone who was diagnosed voted against Obama, it would be

sending a clear signal that his ignorant policies regarding autism

are not wanted.

Or if everyone signed the " Autism Speaks Does Not Speak For Me "

petition they'd have to change their ways.

Or if everyone advocated for themselves, people would have a more

positive image about autism.

Instead, everyone wants a playground where they can all talk about

being picked on and then expect that everyone is going to feel sorry

for them and wipe their tears for them and make their lives better.

Personally, I am annoyed generally speaking because all I get are

complaints from people despite trying to make this forum and the rest

of the FAM forums into something that everyone wants. I am sick of

advocating for a bunch of couch patatoes who think that the world

revolves around them and sho0uld therefore kiss their butts.

You cannot please everyone, I guess.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

-- In FAMSecretSociety , VISIGOTH@... wrote:

"The line from him and the health care and insurance companies is that it will be to help improve health care services. I don't believe that for an instant. Its just like today when insurance companies ask about your family history and look at your record, then ramp up your premium based on speculation. Most people don't realize that is the case because their employer pays for the insurance."

And yet another problem with Obama is that he wants to have a National Healtchare System. If anybody on the autism spectrum has voted for him, then they just voted for denial of corverage for themselves regardless of what the government tells you.

1) In Canada, everyone -autistics and non-autistics alike- supposedly has FREE healthcare but 1 in 5 people cannot find doctors.

2) In Saskatchewan coverage for autistics consists of parents getting better parenting classes, and then the children will be cured of their autism. Everything else is unfunded.

3) Autistics are routinely denied coverage because their healthcare and required services are "too taxing"on the National Heathcare System.

4) And just in case anyone in this forum is not aware of this -and I would not be surprised if the majority were not since no one seems to actually read and post here anymore- MIC did a podcast which we posted in November in which someone from the UK discussed the fact that THEIR NHS is not any good for autistics either.

By voting Obama into office, people said that this lack of coverage is what they want for you, Jaden, and every other autistic in the country. And by ignorant people on the spectrum voting for him, they have made life worse for themselves. I harp on Obama because I don't want anyone here making the same mistake twice.

While ignorant voters have every right to make their own lives more difficult by voting people into office who will screw them over, I don't see why I should have to suffer with the result of their own ignorance.

Perhaps by educating people who find politics boring even though politics affects them directly, we can make true CHANGE. Not the kind Obama drips and drivels, but real change.

Maybe the voters are expecting something different when they voted for a National Healthcare System, but the economics tell a different story. Fiscally, it cannot be done. Additionally, autistics are just too damned expensive for the government to take care of and every other country that has an NHS has the statistics to prove it.

That is why Raven and I created the MIC project. To advocate for autistics to get what they need to succeed, and also to get autistics off their butts so they could make an effort for themselvgs rather than trying to get everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Not too many autistics actually care about this project. They are too busy yuckking and yackking over at Wrongplanet and ever other mindless forum where deep conversation consists of "Like, I twirl my hair. Does that make me, like, autistic?"

And here we all sit questioning why it is we are having political discussions even though they bear a direct releance on all of our situations? Maybe autistics really ARE as obtuse as people claim, but one thing is for sure: THIS autistic is NOT. is not either, come to that. Meanwhile there are a lot of autistic people who need to get their heads out of their...little worlds...and see the big picture.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Greetings: I joined this Society to learn more about Autism and Aspergers, AND also to learn about other people's view points. At first I was surprised by some of the topics, now I find it very liberating that no one is 'shut down' for presenting a topic that is 'off the topic of this forum." Even though I do live in my own introvert world, I realize what goes on in the larger world affects us all. History shows us that while ordinary people went on with their lives and

business, forces were coming into being that would grow and engulf them over time. (the rise of Nazism in Germany pre-WWII for example) This Society gives us an opportunity to dialogue with people and consider ideas that might not cross our path in our usual life. At one time I followed Ayn Rand's views of Individualism, since then certain of my values have changed, yet I still believe that each one of us is unique and valuable, each of us has something to contribute to the common good, by our very uniqueness and view point and perspectives. A long time ago, a family member cautioned me that by my living such an introverted lifestyle, I was

cutting myself off from people whom I could learn from. This forum gives us the opportunity to dialogue without the stress of 'face time.'renaissanzelady

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renaissanzelady wrote: " ... <snip> ... This forum gives us the

opportunity to dialogue without the stress of 'face time' ...

<snip> ... "

I agree, renaissanzelady, and your post was very articulate and well

presented. Thank you.

Raven

[Guest guest]

There have been quite a few topics about aspie emotions. The politics

has got quite dominant, as it turned out to be something that several

folks can sustain long exchanges about. I think it has been a means

for the most active voices to keep always having an active topic on

the go.

The personal stuff has been for supporting with whenever needed. Of

course it will help folk's confidence to share the personal stuff and

swing the emphasis back to it, if nobody classes it as " whining " !

> This group really seems to be more about

> politics and the news.

[Guest guest]

"The personal stuff has been for supporting with whenever needed. Of course it will help folk's confidence to share the personal stuff and swing the emphasis back to it, if nobody classes it as "whining"!"

Point taken, but a lot of the stuff that is talked about here sometimes does come across as whining. People have to push to get what they need, not try once or twice and throw up their hands in frustration. It's the way the world works.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I appreciate these forums.

I wish I had more chance/time/energy, etc to respond more than I do

and I do, do what I can. I cannot promise to be something I am not,

but I can promise to try my best.

>

> " I joined this group to talk about being an adult with AS, and

trying

> to learn more from others in my shoes. This group really seems to

be

> more about politics and the news. I really don't think this is the

> group for me. Thanks for welcoming me in, but I really just don't

> belong here. "

>

> One added note, Obama being in office has direct relevance to

autism

> as he is going to be using your tax dollars (if you live in the US)

> to pay for research into what causes it and how to cure it knowing

> full well that we already know what causes autism and that there is

> no cure. Some of us here are really annoyed with him for that and

> other reasons.

>

> Further, as we sit here and bemoan the fact that we get picked on

> because we are autistic, or excluded because we are autistic, or

are

> shunned because we are autistic, no one actually seems to want to

> actually DO anything about changing their predicament. For

instance,

> if everyone who was diagnosed voted against Obama, it would be

> sending a clear signal that his ignorant policies regarding autism

> are not wanted.

>

> Or if everyone signed the " Autism Speaks Does Not Speak For Me "

> petition they'd have to change their ways.

>

> Or if everyone advocated for themselves, people would have a more

> positive image about autism.

>

> Instead, everyone wants a playground where they can all talk about

> being picked on and then expect that everyone is going to feel

sorry

> for them and wipe their tears for them and make their lives better.

>

> Personally, I am annoyed generally speaking because all I get are

> complaints from people despite trying to make this forum and the

rest

> of the FAM forums into something that everyone wants. I am sick of

> advocating for a bunch of couch patatoes who think that the world

> revolves around them and sho0uld therefore kiss their butts.

>

> You cannot please everyone, I guess.

>

>

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

" 4) And just in case anyone in this forum is not aware of this -and I

would not be surprised if the majority were not since no one seems to

actually read and post here anymore- MIC did a podcast which we posted

in November in which someone from the UK discussed the fact that THEIR

NHS is not any good for autistics either. "

I was just sat thinking what you have said does not sound disimilar

to the UK.

Regarding raising awarness and advocacy. I have come to the

conclusion most just don't care. I suspect that some want to remain

ignorant, as I have come across some that no matter how much info'

and facts you provide them with they just either won't or don't get

it; they seem stuck in their ignorance and misconceptions. It can be

extremely frustrating.

>

> " The line from him and the health care and insurance companies is

that

> it will be to help improve health care services. I don't believe

that

> for an instant. Its just like today when insurance companies ask

about

> your family history and look at your record, then ramp up your

premium

> based on speculation. Most people don't realize that is the case

because

> their employer pays for the insurance. "

>

> And yet another problem with Obama is that he wants to have a

National

> Healtchare System. If anybody on the autism spectrum has voted for

him,

> then they just voted for denial of corverage for themselves

regardless

> of what the government tells you.

>

> 1) In Canada, everyone -autistics and non-autistics alike-

supposedly

> has [:-B] [] FREE [] [)] healthcare but 1 in 5 people

cannot

> find doctors.

>

> 2) In Saskatchewan coverage for autistics consists of parents

getting

> better parenting classes, and then the children will be cured of

their

> autism. Everything else is unfunded.

>

> 3) Autistics are routinely denied coverage because their healthcare

and

> required services are " too taxing " on the National Heathcare System.

>

> 4) And just in case anyone in this forum is not aware of this -and I

> would not be surprised if the majority were not since no one seems

to

> actually read and post here anymore- MIC did a podcast which we

posted

> in November in which someone from the UK discussed the fact that

THEIR

> NHS is not any good for autistics either.

>

> By voting Obama into office, people said that this lack of coverage

is

> what they want for you, Jaden, and every other autistic in the

country.

> And by ignorant people on the spectrum voting for him, they have

made

> life worse for themselves. I harp on Obama because I don't want

anyone

> here making the same mistake twice.

>

> While ignorant voters have every right to make their own lives more

> difficult by voting people into office who will screw them over, I

don't

> see why I should have to suffer with the result of their own

ignorance.

>

> Perhaps by educating people who find politics boring even though

> politics affects them directly, we can make true CHANGE. Not the

kind

> Obama drips and drivels, but real change.

>

> Maybe the voters are expecting something different when they voted

for a

> National Healthcare System, but the economics tell a different

story.

> Fiscally, it cannot be done. Additionally, autistics are just too

damned

> expensive for the government to take care of and every other country

> that has an NHS has the statistics to prove it.

>

> That is why Raven and I created the MIC project. To advocate for

> autistics to get what they need to succeed, and also to get

autistics

> off their butts so they could make an effort for themselvgs rather

than

> trying to get everything handed to them on a silver platter.

>

> Not too many autistics actually care about this project. They are

too

> busy yuckking and yackking over at Wrongplanet and ever other

mindless

> forum where deep conversation consists of " Like, I twirl my hair.

Does

> that make me, like, autistic? "

>

> And here we all sit questioning why it is we are having political

> discussions even though they bear a direct releance on all of our

> situations? Maybe autistics really ARE as obtuse as people claim,

but

> one thing is for sure: THIS autistic is NOT. is not either,

come

> to that. Meanwhile there are a lot of autistic people who need to

get

> their heads out of their...little worlds...and see the big picture.

>

>

>

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

" At one time I followed Ayn Rand's views of Individualism, since then

certain of my values have changed, yet I still believe that each one

of us is unique and valuable, each of us has something to contribute

to the common good, by our very uniqueness and view point and

perspectives.

A long time ago, a family member cautioned me that by my living such

an introverted lifestyle, I was cutting myself off from people whom I

could learn from. This forum gives us the opportunity to dialogue

without the stress of 'face time.' "

I like what you have wrote :-) Also I have had people in my live tell

me that I am cutting myself off and isolating myself, but I have come

to realise that is just their opinion and I have to think that

perhaps compared to the majority it may seem that way, but if I were

to interact to the level the majority do I think I would very quickly

reach burnout and or have a breakdown.

>

> Greetings:

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>                       I joined this Society to  learn more about

Autism and Aspergers, AND also to learn about other people's view

points.

>                      At first I was surprised by some of the

topics, now I find it very liberating that no one is 'shut down' for

presenting a topic that is 'off the topic of this forum. "  

>                     Even though I do live in my own introvert

world, I realize what goes on in the larger world affects us all. 

History shows us that while ordinary people went on with their lives

and business, forces were coming into being that would grow and

engulf them over time. (the rise of Nazism in Germany pre-WWII for

example)

>                   This Society gives us an opportunity to dialogue

with people and consider ideas that might not cross our path in our

usual life.

>                   At one time I followed Ayn Rand's views of

Individualism, since then certain of my values have changed, yet I

still believe that each one of us is unique and valuable, each of us

has something to contribute to the common good, by our very

uniqueness and view point and perspectives.

>                  A long time ago, a family member cautioned me that

by my living such an introverted lifestyle, I was cutting myself off

from people whom I could learn from. This forum gives us the

opportunity to dialogue without the stress of 'face time.'

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi :Yes, I 'hear you.'I had to learn the hard way that too much interaction would lead to my experiencing overload, a meltdown, which was exhausting both for me and those present when I had it. I am still learning to recognize when I am nearing saturation, so I can take a 'time out' and avoid meltdown. One of my current part-time jobs involves a

lot of customer contact, both face to face and over the phone. My colleagues are all real extroverts and spend time between customer calls chit-chatting while doing paper work. Fortunately for my sanity, most of them, including my boss, accept that I don't 'chat' much, and allow me to co-exist peacefully. Overall I really enjoy working there, and get along well with most of my colleagues.When a well meaning friend suggests I could find a 'better job' elsewhere, I reply that i feel my work is worthwhile, and it gives me 'space.'renaissanzelady wrote:Also I have had people in my live tell

me that I am cutting myself off and isolating myself, but I have come

to realise that is just their opinion and I have to think that

perhaps compared to the majority it may seem that way, but if I were

to interact to the level the majority do I think I would very quickly

reach burnout and or have a breakdown.

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