Sleep disorder

January 24, 1999

Hi Fransea,

When I first got Lyme my sleep disorder was so bad it was days without sleep.

I also was put on elavil, it worked for a very short time, then I kept waking

up about 2am. This did not make for a productive work day. Anyway I went to

a lecture by a pain specialist and he did say FMS was a symptom of lyme and

if you can get your sleeping pattern in better shape, it will help the lyme.

Anyway he said elavil has adreneline in it and that is why we wake up. He

told me that a new drug ( this was 3 years ago) had just come up and was

helping his lyme/fms patients really well. It was AMBIEN. What a difference.

I couldn't believe it. There is not grogginess in the morning, for me at

least. I think I take a 50mg dose. it has been a lifesaver. Now my insomnia

is just occasionally. maybe that will help some. I also tried herbal

Valerian and Kava Kava, camomille, passion flower, etc, anything that said

for nerves or sleep. They seemed to help get my pattern back. I used to lay

there so exhaused I couldn't cover myself up, but couldn't sleep. Now I have

that very rarely.

have a good day,

Connie

August 7, 1999

Terry, I think I read on here sometime ago that lettuce juice is suppose to

be good for insomnia. Does anyone else remember this or is it in my head?

Maybe it was bryon who mentioned it. Sorry I am having a terrible time

remembering things. It feels like Lyme, but for the last 5 years I have

been feeling pretty good. Now I hurt all the time , have wierd little

twitches, am so very fatigued, and also have nausea, lightheaded, and

generally feel like yuk!!!! Dr. says he thinks it is very possible that it

is Lyme back aagain. I was never feeling 100% better but I really don't

think I got bit again. I don't want to do this! Any body with any ideas?

Meg CA

>From: rivrfolk@...

>

>what can be done for the insomnia/exhaustion vicious circle. i tried kava

kava, benadryl, chamomile tea. nothing works except for a mild sedative

which i hate to take, but nothing else works.any suggestions would be great

>terry in georgia

>

>---------------------------

August 7, 1999

Hi Meg,

Only thing I would suggest is you get tested and go back on abx.

I know the tests aren't reliable, but just maybe they will show something

after such a long time. I am sorry you don't feel well, concern for your

daughter can sure be a stress factor that will flare up a case of Lyme that

has been in remission.

Good luck,

Hugs,

Marta

NJ

>From: hughes@... (Annie )

>

>Terry, I think I read on here sometime ago that lettuce juice is suppose to

>be good for insomnia. Does anyone else remember this or is it in my head?

>Maybe it was bryon who mentioned it. Sorry I am having a terrible time

>remembering things. It feels like Lyme, but for the last 5 years I have

>been feeling pretty good. Now I hurt all the time , have wierd little

>twitches, am so very fatigued, and also have nausea, lightheaded, and

>generally feel like yuk!!!! Dr. says he thinks it is very possible that it

>is Lyme back aagain. I was never feeling 100% better but I really don't

>think I got bit again. I don't want to do this! Any body with any ideas?

>Meg CA

>

August 7, 1999

Hmm.. what about melatonin? They are sold over the counter and can be safely

used.. If one is prone to depression, then it should be used in moderation. I

have used it once in a while with great success.

good luck,

elizabeth

md

<<

what can be done for the insomnia/exhaustion vicious circle. i tried kava

kava, benadryl, chamomile tea. nothing works except for a mild sedative which

i hate to take, but nothing else works.any suggestions would be great

terry in georgia

>>

August 8, 1999

Terry in Georgia,

I too have had major sleep deprivation. I take Klonopin 1 mg plus 250 mg. of

Magnesium to be able to sleep. Many drugs were tried on me, this seems to be

the winning combination for me and other Lyme patients I know. We can't

function at all without sleep. it affects our Immune System and we need

everything we can get to help us Immune wise. I am a mess without sleep and

assume you are also. Hope this helps. you need an RX. for the Klonopin but

can buy the magnesium at a health food store. Good luck Carol

January 6, 2004

DEAR GRACE,YOU MAY HAVE TO GET A C-PATH MACHINE IT'S FOR SLEEP APNEA I HAD TO

GET ONE MYSELF BECAUSE I WOULD SLEEP MAYBE AN HOUR ALL NIGHT LONG. TAKE CARE

LOVE,MARK

" Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...> wrote:Hello Everyone,

I contacted my neuro to find out what he thought about me giving my

daughter, , Melatonin and he actually returned my call and told

me that it was alright for use once in a while but that I should not use

it very often because he didn't want to depend on it to sleep

well. He also wants her to see an ENT (ear,nose and throat) doctor since

I told him that she snores an awful lot and is also very restless when

she sleeps. He thinks that either her adnoids may be enlarged and is

causing sleeping problems or she might have sleep apnea in which case

could be the culprit of her seizures as well. I'm afraid to believe this

because if is not, I will just be very disappointed. After giving my

daughter Melatonin last night, she seemed to sleep better with no

snoring, seemed less restless and seemed a little more alert today. He

wants me to have an Xray done of her adnoids to see if they are enlarged,

which if they are, he will probably want her to have them removed, any

comments on this? Also, I did notice that if has a good night's

sleep she seems to do much better the next day and seems more alert and

it also seems that her attention span is better. Is it possible that

this is true or am I imagining this in the hopes that regulating her

sleep pattern will be the answer to many of her problems? Any help or

comments will be greatly appreciated.

Grace

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January 6, 2004

Grace,

I'm new to the list, but I have researched sleep issues, to some degree.

If your daughter has sleep apena or if it is even suspected, she needs

to see a pediatric sleep neurologist who has her spend the night in a

sleep lab, with you, while being tested and taped. This will detect if

she has sleep apena, which can be life threatening, from what I

understand. I actually know several adults who went through their lives

sleep deprived until they were diagnosed.

I know nothing about Melatonin, but sure plan to research the issue.

Our son will also be seeing a sleep pediatric neurologist. I've been

told by one of my client's parents (I'm a spec ed atty), that some of

our neurologically impaired kids have a particular kind of iron issue

that can be addressed.

I'll post more when I learn more.

Thank you for your kind help to me and warm welcome to the list. Please

know will remain in my thoughts and prayers.

Chris

[ ] Sleep disorder

Hello Everyone,

I contacted my neuro to find out what he thought about me giving my

daughter, , Melatonin and he actually returned my call and told

me that it was alright for use once in a while but that I should not use

it very often because he didn't want to depend on it to sleep

well. He also wants her to see an ENT (ear,nose and throat) doctor

since

I told him that she snores an awful lot and is also very restless when

she sleeps. He thinks that either her adnoids may be enlarged and is

causing sleeping problems or she might have sleep apnea in which case

could be the culprit of her seizures as well. I'm afraid to believe

this

because if is not, I will just be very disappointed. After giving my

daughter Melatonin last night, she seemed to sleep better with no

snoring, seemed less restless and seemed a little more alert today. He

wants me to have an Xray done of her adnoids to see if they are

enlarged,

which if they are, he will probably want her to have them removed, any

comments on this? Also, I did notice that if has a good

night's

sleep she seems to do much better the next day and seems more alert and

it also seems that her attention span is better. Is it possible that

this is true or am I imagining this in the hopes that regulating her

sleep pattern will be the answer to many of her problems? Any help or

comments will be greatly appreciated.

Grace

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January 6, 2004

Definitely get checked, in my opinion, if sleep apnea is suspected. There

are several treatments for this. I chose surgery - at the age of 44.

January 7, 2004

Mark,

What exactly is a C-path and how does it work? God Bless!

Grace

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:58:13 -0800 (PST) mark hogue

<markhogue2002@...> writes:

> DEAR GRACE,YOU MAY HAVE TO GET A C-PATH MACHINE IT'S FOR SLEEP APNEA

> I HAD TO GET ONE MYSELF BECAUSE I WOULD SLEEP MAYBE AN HOUR ALL

> NIGHT LONG. TAKE CARE LOVE,MARK

>

> " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...> wrote:Hello Everyone,

>

> I contacted my neuro to find out what he thought about me giving my

> daughter, , Melatonin and he actually returned my call and

> told

> me that it was alright for use once in a while but that I should not

> use

> it very often because he didn't want to depend on it to

> sleep

> well. He also wants her to see an ENT (ear,nose and throat) doctor

> since

> I told him that she snores an awful lot and is also very restless

> when

> she sleeps. He thinks that either her adnoids may be enlarged and

> is

> causing sleeping problems or she might have sleep apnea in which

> case

> could be the culprit of her seizures as well. I'm afraid to believe

> this

> because if is not, I will just be very disappointed. After giving

> my

> daughter Melatonin last night, she seemed to sleep better with no

> snoring, seemed less restless and seemed a little more alert today.

> He

> wants me to have an Xray done of her adnoids to see if they are

> enlarged,

> which if they are, he will probably want her to have them removed,

> any

> comments on this? Also, I did notice that if has a good

> night's

> sleep she seems to do much better the next day and seems more alert

> and

> it also seems that her attention span is better. Is it possible

> that

> this is true or am I imagining this in the hopes that regulating

> her

> sleep pattern will be the answer to many of her problems? Any help

> or

> comments will be greatly appreciated.

>

> Grace

>

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January 7, 2004

Thank you and please do keep me informed on whatever you find out about

the iron issue since my daughter is special ed as well.

Grace

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:09:15 -0500 " chris vance " <cevance@...>

writes:

> Grace,

>

> I'm new to the list, but I have researched sleep issues, to some

> degree.

> If your daughter has sleep apena or if it is even suspected, she

> needs

> to see a pediatric sleep neurologist who has her spend the night in

> a

> sleep lab, with you, while being tested and taped. This will detect

> if

> she has sleep apena, which can be life threatening, from what I

> understand. I actually know several adults who went through their

> lives

> sleep deprived until they were diagnosed.

>

> I know nothing about Melatonin, but sure plan to research the

> issue.

> Our son will also be seeing a sleep pediatric neurologist. I've

> been

> told by one of my client's parents (I'm a spec ed atty), that some

> of

> our neurologically impaired kids have a particular kind of iron

> issue

> that can be addressed.

>

> I'll post more when I learn more.

>

> Thank you for your kind help to me and warm welcome to the list.

> Please

> know will remain in my thoughts and prayers.

>

> Chris

>

> [ ] Sleep disorder

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I contacted my neuro to find out what he thought about me giving my

> daughter, , Melatonin and he actually returned my call and

> told

> me that it was alright for use once in a while but that I should not

> use

> it very often because he didn't want to depend on it to

> sleep

> well. He also wants her to see an ENT (ear,nose and throat) doctor

> since

> I told him that she snores an awful lot and is also very restless

> when

> she sleeps. He thinks that either her adnoids may be enlarged and

> is

> causing sleeping problems or she might have sleep apnea in which

> case

> could be the culprit of her seizures as well. I'm afraid to

> believe

> this

> because if is not, I will just be very disappointed. After giving

> my

> daughter Melatonin last night, she seemed to sleep better with no

> snoring, seemed less restless and seemed a little more alert today.

> He

> wants me to have an Xray done of her adnoids to see if they are

> enlarged,

> which if they are, he will probably want her to have them removed,

> any

> comments on this? Also, I did notice that if has a good

> night's

> sleep she seems to do much better the next day and seems more alert

> and

> it also seems that her attention span is better. Is it possible

> that

> this is true or am I imagining this in the hopes that regulating

> her

> sleep pattern will be the answer to many of her problems? Any help

> or

> comments will be greatly appreciated.

>

> Grace

>

> ________________________________________________________________

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January 7, 2004

What type of surgery did you have?

Grace

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:03:45 EST jbs8198@... writes:

> Definitely get checked, in my opinion, if sleep apnea is suspected.

> There

> are several treatments for this. I chose surgery - at the age of

> 44.

>

January 7, 2004

GRACE,IT'S A MACHINE THAT HELPS YOU BREATHE AND SLEEP BETTER AND YOU HAVE A MASK

OVER YOUR NOSE AND MOUTH.YOU HAVE ANOTHER PIECE YOU FILL WITH DISTILLED WATER.

YOU MIGHT SAY ITS LIKE BREATHING OXYGEN INTO YOUR LUNGS. I'M STILL PRAY FOR

MICHELLE EVERYDAY TAKE CARE LOVE,MARK

" Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...> wrote:Mark,

What exactly is a C-path and how does it work? God Bless!

Grace

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:58:13 -0800 (PST) mark hogue

<markhogue2002@...> writes:

> DEAR GRACE,YOU MAY HAVE TO GET A C-PATH MACHINE IT'S FOR SLEEP APNEA

> I HAD TO GET ONE MYSELF BECAUSE I WOULD SLEEP MAYBE AN HOUR ALL

> NIGHT LONG. TAKE CARE LOVE,MARK

>

> " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...> wrote:Hello Everyone,

>

> I contacted my neuro to find out what he thought about me giving my

> daughter, , Melatonin and he actually returned my call and

> told

> me that it was alright for use once in a while but that I should not

> use

> it very often because he didn't want to depend on it to

> sleep

> well. He also wants her to see an ENT (ear,nose and throat) doctor

> since

> I told him that she snores an awful lot and is also very restless

> when

> she sleeps. He thinks that either her adnoids may be enlarged and

> is

> causing sleeping problems or she might have sleep apnea in which

> case

> could be the culprit of her seizures as well. I'm afraid to believe

> this

> because if is not, I will just be very disappointed. After giving

> my

> daughter Melatonin last night, she seemed to sleep better with no

> snoring, seemed less restless and seemed a little more alert today.

> He

> wants me to have an Xray done of her adnoids to see if they are

> enlarged,

> which if they are, he will probably want her to have them removed,

> any

> comments on this? Also, I did notice that if has a good

> night's

> sleep she seems to do much better the next day and seems more alert

> and

> it also seems that her attention span is better. Is it possible

> that

> this is true or am I imagining this in the hopes that regulating

> her

> sleep pattern will be the answer to many of her problems? Any help

> or

> comments will be greatly appreciated.

>

> Grace

>

> ________________________________________________________________

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January 7, 2004

Thank you very much Mark! God Bless!

Grace

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:49:15 -0800 (PST) mark hogue

<markhogue2002@...> writes:

> GRACE,IT'S A MACHINE THAT HELPS YOU BREATHE AND SLEEP BETTER AND YOU

> HAVE A MASK OVER YOUR NOSE AND MOUTH.YOU HAVE ANOTHER PIECE YOU FILL

> WITH DISTILLED WATER. YOU MIGHT SAY ITS LIKE BREATHING OXYGEN INTO

> YOUR LUNGS. I'M STILL PRAY FOR MICHELLE EVERYDAY TAKE CARE LOVE,MARK

>

> " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...> wrote:Mark,

>

> What exactly is a C-path and how does it work? God Bless!

>

> Grace

>

> On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:58:13 -0800 (PST) mark hogue

> <markhogue2002@...> writes:

> > DEAR GRACE,YOU MAY HAVE TO GET A C-PATH MACHINE IT'S FOR SLEEP

> APNEA

> > I HAD TO GET ONE MYSELF BECAUSE I WOULD SLEEP MAYBE AN HOUR ALL

> > NIGHT LONG. TAKE CARE LOVE,MARK

> >

> > " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...> wrote:Hello Everyone,

> >

> > I contacted my neuro to find out what he thought about me giving

> my

> > daughter, , Melatonin and he actually returned my call and

>

> > told

> > me that it was alright for use once in a while but that I should

> not

> > use

> > it very often because he didn't want to depend on it to

> > sleep

> > well. He also wants her to see an ENT (ear,nose and throat)

> doctor

> > since

> > I told him that she snores an awful lot and is also very restless

>

> > when

> > she sleeps. He thinks that either her adnoids may be enlarged and

>

> > is

> > causing sleeping problems or she might have sleep apnea in which

> > case

> > could be the culprit of her seizures as well. I'm afraid to

> believe

> > this

> > because if is not, I will just be very disappointed. After giving

>

> > my

> > daughter Melatonin last night, she seemed to sleep better with no

> > snoring, seemed less restless and seemed a little more alert

> today.

> > He

> > wants me to have an Xray done of her adnoids to see if they are

> > enlarged,

> > which if they are, he will probably want her to have them removed,

>

> > any

> > comments on this? Also, I did notice that if has a good

> > night's

> > sleep she seems to do much better the next day and seems more

> alert

> > and

> > it also seems that her attention span is better. Is it possible

> > that

> > this is true or am I imagining this in the hopes that regulating

> > her

> > sleep pattern will be the answer to many of her problems? Any

> help

> > or

> > comments will be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Grace

> >

> > ________________________________________________________________

> > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!

> > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!

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January 7, 2004

Tonsils and adenoids were removed and soft palate was trimmed up. I was

44. This surgery was done after much discussion with my ENT. The machine was

not an option for me - I won't leave anything attached to my face when I'm

asleep.

In a message dated 1/7/04 12:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

foxyfox8@... writes:

>

> What type of surgery did you have?

>

> Grace

>

> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:03:45 EST jbs8198@... writes:

> > Definitely get checked, in my opinion, if sleep apnea is suspected.

> > There

> > are several treatments for this. I chose surgery - at the age of

> > 44.

January 8, 2004

-

Here is my 2cents.

My husband has suffered from severe sleep apnea for about 12 years.

He's tried different versions of the machine. He is clostrphobic to

a small degree and couldn't tolerate the severe pressures of 22-

24pounds.

He's had 2 major surgeries as well. He shouldn't be able to snore

but he does very loudly too. I don't know how I sleep next to him.

My point is that sleep apnea is a very serious thing. If there is a

possibiliy of it, get it checked a.s.a.p.

Hopefully the relief won't require too much intervention.

-- In , jbs8198@a... wrote:

> Tonsils and adenoids were removed and soft palate was trimmed

up. I was

> 44. This surgery was done after much discussion with my ENT.

The machine was

> not an option for me - I won't leave anything attached to my face

when I'm

> asleep.

>

> In a message dated 1/7/04 12:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> foxyfox8@j... writes:

>

> >

> > What type of surgery did you have?

> >

> > Grace

> >

> > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:03:45 EST jbs8198@a... writes:

> > > Definitely get checked, in my opinion, if sleep apnea is

suspected.

> > > There

> > > are several treatments for this. I chose surgery - at the

age of

> > > 44.

>

January 8, 2004

Arnold,

I will find out what the Xray shows in a couple of days and I will also

be taking to an ENT. I have known people who have had their

adnoids and tonsils removed and they seem to be doing fine. I am more

concerned about putting through another procedure. As for the

Melatonin, my neuro told me not to give it to her very often, so I just

gave it to her for two days and on the third day without the melatonin,

she had a very difficult time falling asleep, which she's never had a

problem with that, so I'm not sure what to do now.

Grace

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:00:58 EST arnoldgore@... writes:

> Hi Grace,

> Removal of the adenoids is not something I would take lightly.I'm

> not at all

> famliar with the adenoids function, but it sounds too close to the

> routine

> removal of tonsils when I was a kid.

> Later we learned the tonsils played a role in the developing immune

> system

> and people without tonsils had a higher risk illness. Removal of

> Adenoids is an

> IRREVERSIBLE procedure-beware. If the melatonin is working, this

> sounds much

> better.

> Are you a member of an HMO or do you or your insurance pay for each

>

> individualprocedure? At least HMO's will not look for unnecessary

> medical

> procedures.There are advantages and disadvantages to evertyhing.

> arnold

>

January 8, 2004

,

My sister's husband sound just like yours and she finds that she has to

sleep in another part of the house in order to actually get some sleep.

She said that he sounds like a freight train. I am working on having my

daughter checked out by the ENT to find out why she snores. Thanks!

Grace

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:17:10 -0000 " deester_s " <deester_s@...>

writes:

> -

> Here is my 2cents.

>

> My husband has suffered from severe sleep apnea for about 12 years.

>

> He's tried different versions of the machine. He is clostrphobic to

>

> a small degree and couldn't tolerate the severe pressures of 22-

> 24pounds.

>

> He's had 2 major surgeries as well. He shouldn't be able to snore

> but he does very loudly too. I don't know how I sleep next to him.

>

> My point is that sleep apnea is a very serious thing. If there is a

>

> possibiliy of it, get it checked a.s.a.p.

>

> Hopefully the relief won't require too much intervention.

>

> -- In , jbs8198@a... wrote:

> > Tonsils and adenoids were removed and soft palate was trimmed

> up. I was

> > 44. This surgery was done after much discussion with my ENT.

> The machine was

> > not an option for me - I won't leave anything attached to my face

>

> when I'm

> > asleep.

> >

> > In a message dated 1/7/04 12:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > foxyfox8@j... writes:

> >

> > >

> > > What type of surgery did you have?

> > >

> > > Grace

> > >

> > > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:03:45 EST jbs8198@a... writes:

> > > > Definitely get checked, in my opinion, if sleep apnea is

> suspected.

> > > > There

> > > > are several treatments for this. I chose surgery - at the

> age of

> > > > 44.

> >

February 4, 2004

Why not take some melatonin?

Winter

>From: " oreon " <oreon@...>

>Reply-

> " Hypogonadism2groups (DOT) Com " < >

>Subject: Sleep disorder

>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:25:18 -0600

>

>Recently I've seen several posts about sleep disorders and TRT.

>

>For years I've had sleep disorder Tylenol PM worked very well for me but

>the

>negative a aspect was acetaminophen as an active ingredient and according

>to

>Shipppen, page, 211, this Is one on a list of drugs that:

>

> " inhibit the P450 phase I system, resulting in increased estrogen

>levels " .

>

>I tried Sonata and Ambien without acceptable affects for me.

>

>Tylenol's Simply Sleep " worked well...this contains benadryl, 25 mg/each

>caplet. They are a little pricey!

>

>I buy Member's Mark brand benadryl at Sam's Club a bottle of 400 capsules

>for $3.22. I've bought Wal-Mart's Equate brand but it doesn't come in bulk

>so a little more expensive.

>

>I buy Nature's Resources Valerian capsules from Walgreen's...standardized

>extract and whole herb. A few times /year Walgreen's puts their entire

>line

>of Nature's Resource supplements on sale, buy one and get one free. I

>stock

>up then Even not on sale I found Walgreen's prices for Valerian less

>expensive than Kroger's.

>

>My Regimen: each night one-two hours before I intend going to bed, I take

>two benadryl caplets, a Valerian standardized extract and a whole herb

>capsules. Going to sleep is non issue. On bedside table I put out

>several

>Valerian whole herb capsules....I may take one or more at piss calls.

>

>I sleep very well and inexpensively.

>

>Just my experiences...

>

>OR eon

>GayMan

>

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February 4, 2004

Winter,

Seems like I considered melatonin couple years ago but there was some

contraindication.

What is your regimen?

Thanks,

OR eon

Sleep disorder

>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:25:18 -0600

>

>Recently I've seen several posts about sleep disorders and TRT.

>

>For years I've had sleep disorder Tylenol PM worked very well for me but

>the

>negative a aspect was acetaminophen as an active ingredient and according

>to

>Shipppen, page, 211, this Is one on a list of drugs that:

>

> " inhibit the P450 phase I system, resulting in increased estrogen

>levels " .

>

>I tried Sonata and Ambien without acceptable affects for me.

>

>Tylenol's Simply Sleep " worked well...this contains benadryl, 25 mg/each

>caplet. They are a little pricey!

>

>I buy Member's Mark brand benadryl at Sam's Club a bottle of 400 capsules

>for $3.22. I've bought Wal-Mart's Equate brand but it doesn't come in bulk

>so a little more expensive.

>

>I buy Nature's Resources Valerian capsules from Walgreen's...standardized

>extract and whole herb. A few times /year Walgreen's puts their entire

>line

>of Nature's Resource supplements on sale, buy one and get one free. I

>stock

>up then Even not on sale I found Walgreen's prices for Valerian less

>expensive than Kroger's.

>

>My Regimen: each night one-two hours before I intend going to bed, I take

>two benadryl caplets, a Valerian standardized extract and a whole herb

>capsules. Going to sleep is non issue. On bedside table I put out

>several

>Valerian whole herb capsules....I may take one or more at piss calls.

>

>I sleep very well and inexpensively.

>

>Just my experiences...

>

>OR eon

>GayMan

>

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I take 3mg a day about five days a week just as part of an anti-aging

regimen. That is sort of a " normal " dosage although my understanding is

that you can replace physiological levels with even less than that.

The 3mg will assist sleep no question, but those who are having sleep

problems take closer to 12mg as I understand. If they are zonked in the

morning, then they just take less on a trial and error basis.

Melatonin is not contraindicated for any reasons that I am aware of with the

exception that there have been reports that it can make a depression worse

but that may just be a dosing issue. Also, melatonin is to be taken only at

night time/ early evening. You want it to do its thing the same way that

your natural melatonin does and then be out of your system by morning. If

you take it in the daytime you will mess your biological clock up bigtime

and end out feeling crappy and tired so dont do that.

Melatonin promotes health and if it works in place of sleeping pill type

drugs then the health benefits are even greater. If you take 12 mgs about 8

at night you are going to sleep- period.

You can get it at any drugstore but dont complain that you feel zonked in

the morning and then give up. You have to experiment a little and maybe take

less and take it earlier in the evening so that it is out of your system by

daybreak.

Winter

>From: " oreon " <oreon@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Sleep disorder

>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:31:06 -0600

>

>Winter,

>

>Seems like I considered melatonin couple years ago but there was some

>contraindication.

>

>What is your regimen?

>

>Thanks,

>

>OR eon

>

> Sleep disorder

> >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:25:18 -0600

> >

> >Recently I've seen several posts about sleep disorders and TRT.

> >

> >For years I've had sleep disorder Tylenol PM worked very well for me but

> >the

> >negative a aspect was acetaminophen as an active ingredient and according

> >to

> >Shipppen, page, 211, this Is one on a list of drugs that:

> >

> > " inhibit the P450 phase I system, resulting in increased estrogen

> >levels " .

> >

> >I tried Sonata and Ambien without acceptable affects for me.

> >

> >Tylenol's Simply Sleep " worked well...this contains benadryl, 25 mg/each

> >caplet. They are a little pricey!

> >

> >I buy Member's Mark brand benadryl at Sam's Club a bottle of 400 capsules

> >for $3.22. I've bought Wal-Mart's Equate brand but it doesn't come in

>bulk

> >so a little more expensive.

> >

> >I buy Nature's Resources Valerian capsules from Walgreen's...standardized

> >extract and whole herb. A few times /year Walgreen's puts their entire

> >line

> >of Nature's Resource supplements on sale, buy one and get one free. I

> >stock

> >up then Even not on sale I found Walgreen's prices for Valerian less

> >expensive than Kroger's.

> >

> >My Regimen: each night one-two hours before I intend going to bed, I

>take

> >two benadryl caplets, a Valerian standardized extract and a whole herb

> >capsules. Going to sleep is non issue. On bedside table I put out

> >several

> >Valerian whole herb capsules....I may take one or more at piss calls.

> >

> >I sleep very well and inexpensively.

> >

> >Just my experiences...

> >

> >OR eon

> >GayMan

> >

>

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