Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Re. IOC regulation of caffeine. I am not sure that the information recently posted is not out of date or inaccurate. I searched the WADA 2008 list of proscribed substances in and out of competition and find no reference to caffeine. I did understand that the IOC/WADA had indeed abandoned any regulation of caffeine. I *believe* (without checking) that the NCAA does still regulate or proscribe caffeine use, though. C. " Woofie " Humpage, CSCS USA Triathlon Level 1 Certified Coach A Joe Friel's ULTRAFIT Associate www.mastersathletic.com SCOTTSDALE AZ USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 You are correct. Caffeine has indeed been removed from the IOC list Denis Doyle Shropshire UK IOC and caffeine > Re. IOC regulation of caffeine. > > I am not sure that the information recently posted is not out of date or > inaccurate. > > I searched the WADA 2008 list of proscribed substances in and out of > competition and find no reference to caffeine. I did understand that the > IOC/WADA had indeed abandoned any regulation of caffeine. > > I *believe* (without checking) that the NCAA does still regulate or > proscribe caffeine use, though. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Woofie, it's the same in 2008: " The following substances included in the 2008 Monitoring Program (bupropion, caffeine, phenylephrine, phenylpropanolamine, pipradol, pseudoephedrine, synephrine) are not considered as Prohibited Substances. " http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2008_List_En.pdf You may have got hold of the update list instead of the full list. I'm not sure what the implications of the 'monitoring program' are. There is no reference to breach levels for caffeine in this document. Gympie, Australia > > Re. IOC regulation of caffeine. > > I am not sure that the information recently posted is not out of date or > inaccurate. > > I searched the WADA 2008 list of proscribed substances in and out of > competition and find no reference to caffeine. I did understand that the > IOC/WADA had indeed abandoned any regulation of caffeine. > > I *believe* (without checking) that the NCAA does still regulate or > proscribe caffeine use, though. > > > C. " Woofie " Humpage, CSCS > USA Triathlon Level 1 Certified Coach > A Joe Friel's ULTRAFIT Associate > www.mastersathletic.com > SCOTTSDALE AZ USA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I guest not all sources on the internet are up to date. I copied that quote re caffeine from a " reliable " internet source. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington CT =================== denis doyle wrote: You are correct. Caffeine has indeed been removed from the IOC list ====================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 As a tested athlete, my understanding of the monitoring program is that the listed substances are tested for in the program with the caveat that levels are being looked at, so that if a pattern of specific abuse appears in a sport or generally for the monitored item, restrictions or a prohibited list position will be made for that specific sport, or generally, for that monitored item. They're taking data on the items but not banning them. Pseudoephedrine had previously been on the banned list but thankfully is not there currently as it's a nicely effective decongestant. This was a nuisance to me banned, as a monitored item, I know my own personal RARE usage for sinus congestion isn't going to trigger any movement onto the banned list lol. In some sports, the practice of taking several pseudoephedrines to get " up " for competition had been part of the reason for its banning and the tendency may still be around....but generally the stuff is now monitored, meaning if there's not a pronounced abuse pattern it won't be banned again. The levels where caffeine was previously considered abuse were so high that well, you'd be sick as hell if you consumed that level and tried to compete! the comment by my coach long ago was you'd be spending your time in the bathroom LONG before you got to the level where the testing had it prohibited. 1-2 cups of coffee before you lift isn't going to get you anywhere near the threshold for abuse levels lol. Caffeine was not banned in ANY amount, just in a very high level! If you aren't familiar with the full list, allowed and prohibited, it's a good thing to read, print and know. Particularly with cold meds and stimulants, for example the Octapamine that the lifter had in a creatine that turned out to be prohibited. I've run into at least 1 tested adult who had the incorrect notion that they " couldn't take a commercial acetominophen since they were possibly going to be tested " . Sigh. The only time I had to whip out my drug testing card and have the doc call was long ago after a car accident had really wracked my neck and they wanted to give me codeine, which I was not permitted (there is a doc's hotline you can have them call before they give you things). you can get a short lil card that you can keep in your wallet to help you with the basics on a daily basis, like cold meds in particular which you might run into questions on. I've also called USADA and they're pretty easy to talk to. At one point early in my career, I called and went over my entire list of OTC items, like eye washes, etc, just to be on the safe side. It's better to ask the question, look it up, rather than have a positive through not doing the proper footwork. The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA -------------- Original message -------------- Woofie, it's the same in 2008: " The following substances included in the 2008 Monitoring Program (bupropion, caffeine, phenylephrine, phenylpropanolamine, pipradol, pseudoephedrine, synephrine) are not considered as Prohibited Substances. " http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2008_List_En.pdf You may have got hold of the update list instead of the full list. I'm not sure what the implications of the 'monitoring program' are. There is no reference to breach levels for caffeine in this document. Gympie, Australia > > Re. IOC regulation of caffeine. > > I am not sure that the information recently posted is not out of date or > inaccurate. > > I searched the WADA 2008 list of proscribed substances in and out of > competition and find no reference to caffeine. I did understand that the > IOC/WADA had indeed abandoned any regulation of caffeine. > > I *believe* (without checking) that the NCAA does still regulate or > proscribe caffeine use, though. > > > C. " Woofie " Humpage, CSCS > USA Triathlon Level 1 Certified Coach > A Joe Friel's ULTRAFIT Associate > www.mastersathletic.com > SCOTTSDALE AZ USA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 **** The only time I had to whip out my drug testing card and have the doc call was long ago after a car accident had really wracked my neck and they wanted to give me codeine, which I was not permitted (there is a doc's hotline you can have them call before they give you things). you can get a short lil card that you can keep in your wallet to help you with the basics on a daily basis, like cold meds in particular which you might run into questions on. I've also called USADA and they're pretty easy to talk to. At one point early in my career, I called and went over my entire list of OTC items, like eye washes, etc, just to be on the safe side. > It's better to ask the question, look it up, rather than have a positive through not doing the proper footwork.**** Yes, you were sensible. Sometimes I am amazed at how naive some athletes are about drug testing and how they can make mistakes. " NIL by mouth " is a good policy unless one asks a sports medicine doctor who has experience in the drug protocols. Don't rely on a coach, unless you are *certain* he/she is up to speed on drug testing. Gympie, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 How times change. One slightly ironic by-product from that change of ruling is that Red Bull have become one of the major sponsors of UK Track and Field with free product readily available at squads and competitions. Prior to caffeine bring taken off the list athletes were categorically warned NOT to take Red Bull! Denis Doyle Shropshire UK ============================================= Re: IOC and caffeine > I guest not all sources on the internet are up to date. I copied that quote re caffeine from a " reliable " internet source. > > Ralph Giarnella MD > Southington CT > > =================== > denis doyle wrote: > You are correct. Caffeine has indeed been removed from the IOC list > > ====================== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Irony, Coincidence? Not likely. Nick Tatalias Johannesburg South Africa > > How times change. One slightly ironic by-product from that change of > ruling > is that Red Bull have become one of the major sponsors of UK Track and > Field > with free product readily available at squads and competitions. Prior to > caffeine bring taken off the list athletes were categorically warned NOT > to > take Red Bull! > > Denis Doyle > Shropshire UK > > ============================================= > Re: IOC and caffeine > > > I guest not all sources on the internet are up to date. I copied that > quote re caffeine from a " reliable " internet source. > > > > Ralph Giarnella MD > > Southington CT > > > > =================== > > denis doyle <denis@...<denis%40topcoach.freeserve.co.uk>> > wrote: > > You are correct. Caffeine has indeed been removed from the IOC > list > > > > ====================== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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