Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 The Phantom wrote: " Aren't there birth control pills that use such things in combination with a form of testosterone? Depo Provera? (name brand etc) or other like substances? " **** Birth control pills are almost all combinations of estrogen (virtually all ethinyl estradiol now) and a progestogen/progestin. I'm 99% confident that these progesterone-like substances do not have any anabolic activity. Depo-Povera is depot (intramuscular) medroxyprogesterone acetate. Tom Keller Deerfield, IL USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 --- Tom Keller wrote: > The Phantom wrote: > > " Aren't there birth control pills that use such > things in combination > with a form of testosterone? Depo Provera? (name > brand etc) or other > like substances? " > > **** > Birth control pills are almost all combinations of > estrogen (virtually > all ethinyl estradiol now) and a > progestogen/progestin. I'm 99% > confident that > these progesterone-like substances do not have any > anabolic activity. > > Depo-Povera is depot (intramuscular) > medroxyprogesterone acetate. > > Tom Keller > Deerfield, IL USA Estratest contains both estrogen and testosterone (METHYLTESTOSTERONE W/ ESTROGEN) Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 --- Tom Keller wrote: > The Phantom wrote: > > " Aren't there birth control pills that use such > things in combination > with a form of testosterone? Depo Provera? (name > brand etc) or other > like substances? " > > **** > Birth control pills are almost all combinations of > estrogen (virtually > all ethinyl estradiol now) and a > progestogen/progestin. I'm 99% > confident that > these progesterone-like substances do not have any > anabolic activity. > > Depo-Povera is depot (intramuscular) > medroxyprogesterone acetate. > > Tom Keller > Deerfield, IL USA Below is an article illustrating estrogen/testosterone treatment for menopause and possible dangerous side effects. Seems that testosterone not increases the risk for prostate cancer but for breast cancer as well Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA ******* Menopause Treatment a Cancer Risk? Mann WebMD Health News 2006. © 2006 WebMD Inc. July 24, 2006 -- Women who take the hormones estrogen and testosterone to combat hot flashes, decreased libido, and other symptoms of menopause may be at an increased risk of developing breast cancer, say researchers. Older studies have shown that estrogen plus progesterone increases breast cancer risk, but until now there has been little research on what effect testosterone has on such risk. While considered the male sex hormone, women, too, have testosterone and as they age, their natural levels decline. Some evidence suggests that many of the symptoms of menopause -- including decreased sex drive, worse moods, and poorer quality of life -- may be related to a decline in testosterone. And the use of testosterone as part of hormone replacement therapy appears to be on the rise. The number of women in the study who used estrogen-plus-testosterone therapy increased dramatically from 33 in 1988 to 550 in 1998. Long-Term Effects of Hormone Therapy In the new study, in the July 24 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine, researchers led by Rulla M. Tamimi, ScD, of Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School in Boston, and colleagues studied the long-term effects of estrogen-plus-testosterone therapy in 121,700 women who were part of the Nurses' Health Study. The women completed an initial questionnaire and follow-up surveys every two years that included questions about menopausal status, medical conditions, and the use of hormone therapy. There were 4,610 cases of breast cancer among postmenopausal women during 24 years of follow-up. Women who were currently taking estrogen plus testosterone had a 77% higher risk of developing breast cancer than those who had never used hormone therapy. By contrast, women currently using estrogen showed a 15% increased risk of breast cancer and those who were taking estrogen plus progesterone had a 58% increased risk of breast cancer. What's more, women who had gone through menopause naturally and took estrogen plus testosterone had 2.5 times the risk of breast cancer than those who had never used hormone therapy. Estrogen-only therapy showed a 23% increased risk and estrogen-plus-progesterone therapy was linked to a 66% increased risk in those women with natural menopause. Exactly how testosterone may increase the risk of breast cancer is not fully understood, but researchers speculate that enzymes in the breast tissue may convert testosterone to estradiol, an estrogen-like hormone that may contribute to the development of breast cancer. Risks vs. Benefits So what's a woman to do? " Given the substantial evidence implicating combined estrogen plus progestin therapy in breast cancer and the results of the present study regarding estrogen plus testosterone therapy, women and their physicians should reconsider use and, more specifically, long-term use of these therapies, " the researchers conclude. " Although postmenopausal therapies may provide improvement with respect to sexual functioning, general well-being, and bone health, the increased risk of breast cancer may outweigh these benefits. " When it comes to treating the symptoms of menopause, " 'safe' is a relative term, " says Donnica , MD, a women's health expert based in Far Hills, N.J. " There is no product -- prescription or over-the-counter (OTC) -- that works that is absolutely free of side effects. And there are also risks, per se, of not treating symptoms, " says. " There is no one-size-fits-all answer for all women. Each woman with menopausal symptoms or concerns should speak with her doctor, who is in the best position to help her decide what's best for her given her unique circumstances, her symptoms, her risks, and her medical history. " The use of testosterone as part of a hormone replacement therapy may continue to increase, predicts. " This is in large part due to increased awareness of the benefits of testosterone for women with decreased libido, " she tells WebMD. " Women should not take any OTC or pharmaceutically created testosterone that isn't prescribed by their doctor -- and your doctor knows your specific risks, " says Lila E. Nachtigall, MD, a reproductive endocrinologist and director of the Women's Wellness program at New York University School of Medicine in New York City. Nachtigall is also the author of several books including Estrogen. " The bottom line is that women must discuss their own risks and benefits with their doctor. " SOURCES: Tamimi, R.M, et al. Archives of Internal Medicine, July 24, 2006; vol 166: pp 1483-1489; Donnica , MD, women's health expert based in Far Hills, N.J. Lila E. Nachtigall, MD, reproductive endocrinologist; director, Women's Wellness program at New York University School of Medicine, New York City; and author, Estrogen. 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Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hmm.... " What's a woman to do? " Why I think it might be quite simple....Lift weights, do your best to stay strong overally physically...and put your MALE on birth control...<grin>. It may not be a perfect answer, but it's not in a bottle and it rewards your sweat equity so to speak... in more ways than one? (A poll of women lifters of various ages over time conducted informally in the less inhibited locker room environment suggests one's libido fails to flag and symptoms of menopause appear lessened or the complaints of both are fewer? <grin>) The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA -------------- Original message -------------- --- Tom Keller wrote: > The Phantom wrote: > > " Aren't there birth control pills that use such > things in combination > with a form of testosterone? Depo Provera? (name > brand etc) or other > like substances? " > > **** > Birth control pills are almost all combinations of > estrogen (virtually > all ethinyl estradiol now) and a > progestogen/progestin. I'm 99% > confident that > these progesterone-like substances do not have any > anabolic activity. > > Depo-Povera is depot (intramuscular) > medroxyprogesterone acetate. > > Tom Keller > Deerfield, IL USA Below is an article illustrating estrogen/testosterone treatment for menopause and possible dangerous side effects. Seems that testosterone not increases the risk for prostate cancer but for breast cancer as well Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA ******* Menopause Treatment a Cancer Risk? Mann WebMD Health News 2006. © 2006 WebMD Inc. July 24, 2006 -- Women who take the hormones estrogen and testosterone to combat hot flashes, decreased libido, and other symptoms of menopause may be at an increased risk of developing breast cancer, say researchers. Older studies have shown that estrogen plus progesterone increases breast cancer risk, but until now there has been little research on what effect testosterone has on such risk. While considered the male sex hormone, women, too, have testosterone and as they age, their natural levels decline. Some evidence suggests that many of the symptoms of menopause -- including decreased sex drive, worse moods, and poorer quality of life -- may be related to a decline in testosterone. And the use of testosterone as part of hormone replacement therapy appears to be on the rise. The number of women in the study who used estrogen-plus-testosterone therapy increased dramatically from 33 in 1988 to 550 in 1998. Long-Term Effects of Hormone Therapy In the new study, in the July 24 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine, researchers led by Rulla M. Tamimi, ScD, of Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School in Boston, and colleagues studied the long-term effects of estrogen-plus-testosterone therapy in 121,700 women who were part of the Nurses' Health Study. The women completed an initial questionnaire and follow-up surveys every two years that included questions about menopausal status, medical conditions, and the use of hormone therapy. There were 4,610 cases of breast cancer among postmenopausal women during 24 years of follow-up. Women who were currently taking estrogen plus testosterone had a 77% higher risk of developing breast cancer than those who had never used hormone therapy. By contrast, women currently using estrogen showed a 15% increased risk of breast cancer and those who were taking estrogen plus progesterone had a 58% increased risk of breast cancer. What's more, women who had gone through menopause naturally and took estrogen plus testosterone had 2.5 times the risk of breast cancer than those who had never used hormone therapy. Estrogen-only therapy showed a 23% increased risk and estrogen-plus-progesterone therapy was linked to a 66% increased risk in those women with natural menopause. Exactly how testosterone may increase the risk of breast cancer is not fully understood, but researchers speculate that enzymes in the breast tissue may convert testosterone to estradiol, an estrogen-like hormone that may contribute to the development of breast cancer. Risks vs. Benefits So what's a woman to do? " Given the substantial evidence implicating combined estrogen plus progestin therapy in breast cancer and the results of the present study regarding estrogen plus testosterone therapy, women and their physicians should reconsider use and, more specifically, long-term use of these therapies, " the researchers conclude. " Although postmenopausal therapies may provide improvement with respect to sexual functioning, general well-being, and bone health, the increased risk of breast cancer may outweigh these benefits. " When it comes to treating the symptoms of menopause, " 'safe' is a relative term, " says Donnica , MD, a women's health expert based in Far Hills, N.J. " There is no product -- prescription or over-the-counter (OTC) -- that works that is absolutely free of side effects. And there are also risks, per se, of not treating symptoms, " says. " There is no one-size-fits-all answer for all women. Each woman with menopausal symptoms or concerns should speak with her doctor, who is in the best position to help her decide what's best for her given her unique circumstances, her symptoms, her risks, and her medical history. " The use of testosterone as part of a hormone replacement therapy may continue to increase, predicts. " This is in large part due to increased awareness of the benefits of testosterone for women with decreased libido, " she tells WebMD. " Women should not take any OTC or pharmaceutically created testosterone that isn't prescribed by their doctor -- and your doctor knows your specific risks, " says Lila E. Nachtigall, MD, a reproductive endocrinologist and director of the Women's Wellness program at New York University School of Medicine in New York City. Nachtigall is also the author of several books including Estrogen. " The bottom line is that women must discuss their own risks and benefits with their doctor. " SOURCES: Tamimi, R.M, et al. Archives of Internal Medicine, July 24, 2006; vol 166: pp 1483-1489; Donnica , MD, women's health expert based in Far Hills, N.J. Lila E. Nachtigall, MD, reproductive endocrinologist; director, Women's Wellness program at New York University School of Medicine, New York City; and author, Estrogen. 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