Saul & ? - Alpine & Aranizer

[Guest guest]

Dear Saul,

Sorry for my confusion but, I have been reading the posts that say that the

Alpine generates nitric oxide. You have mentioned that the Alpine units

use corona discharge with room air and produce nitric oxide. I have read

some on the Aranizer website and cannot find any information as to how

their ozone is generated from the room air. I think on one site it is

referred to as Aranizer corona unit. I think I also read that you thought

that both machines used corona discharge.

Do you know how the Aranizer ozone is generated, and why it doesn't produce

nitric oxide. I would imagine that the Alpine unit produces some compound

with nitrogen since a large percentage of room air contains nitrogen as

opposed to oxygen. How does the Aranizer get around this problem without

using 100% oxygen??

Thanks in advance!

Carol

At 04:05 PM 10/07/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Dear Scahtzi,

>

>When it hits the moisture in the lungs and turns

>into nitric acid.

>

>Best of Health!

>Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

><http://www.plasmafire.com>http://www.plasmafire.com

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Carol,

That is the $64 question!

They use a patented ceramic element. The patent dates back to

about 1967 I think.

Due to this unique element, somehow the unit does not react with

nitrogen. I am very sensitive to nitric oxide and can not be in

the room with an Alpine unit for more than ten minutes without

getting a headache. Yet, my Aranizer runs 24/7, albeit in a closet

with door open, but I pass that closet many times in a day, and I

never get a headache from its output.

Actually, we made a cold plasma air unit in 1993, and ran it for two years

into the cold air return of the forced air furnace, so that the whole house

had ozone distributed. That didn't result in headaches, either. So, possibly

the ceramic element in the Aranizer is acting electrostatically, rather than

as a straight corona discharge. That

would be my best guess.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

http://www.plasmafire.com

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Reply-To: oxyplus

To: oxyplus

Subject: Saul & ? - Alpine & Aranizer

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:11:07 -0700

Dear Saul,

Sorry for my confusion but, I have been reading the posts that say that the

Alpine generates nitric oxide. You have mentioned that the Alpine units

use corona discharge with room air and produce nitric oxide. I have read

some on the Aranizer website and cannot find any information as to how

their ozone is generated from the room air. I think on one site it is

referred to as Aranizer corona unit. I think I also read that you thought

that both machines used corona discharge.

Do you know how the Aranizer ozone is generated, and why it doesn't produce

nitric oxide. I would imagine that the Alpine unit produces some compound

with nitrogen since a large percentage of room air contains nitrogen as

opposed to oxygen. How does the Aranizer get around this problem without

using 100% oxygen??

Thanks in advance!

Carol

At 04:05 PM 10/07/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Dear Scahtzi,

>

>When it hits the moisture in the lungs and turns

>into nitric acid.

>

>Best of Health!

>Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

><http://www.plasmafire.com>http://www.plasmafire.com

>

[Guest guest]

Carol and group,

I have had some dealings and conversations with Ted, the owner of

Aranizer. I think he's a con artist. The only nitric output test on

the aranizers was done around 30 years ago. That's right...the only

one. On two separate occasions, I asked Ted for the documentation

from that test and both times he said he'd send it but didn't. He

refuses to even admit that his units output ozone. He wants to call

it aran. Russ of sota instruments took apart an aranizer and says

that he can find " nothing unusual " to account for their claims.

All Air based ozonators put out different levels of pollutants, some

more , some less. UV ozonators are the only ones that approach zero,

but their output is low. I doubt if Aranizers are unique, and I

wouldn't trust the company to tell the truth anyway.

regards

> >Dear Scahtzi,

> >

> >When it hits the moisture in the lungs and turns

> >into nitric acid.

> >

> >Best of Health!

> >Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

> ><http://www.plasmafire.com>http://www.plasmafire.com

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carol and group,

I have had some dealings and conversations with Ted, the owner of

Aranizer. I think he's a con artist. The only nitric output test on

the aranizers was done around 30 years ago. That's right...the only

one. On two separate occasions, I asked Ted for the documentation

from that test and both times he said he'd send it but didn't. He

refuses to even admit that his units output ozone. He wants to call

it aran. Russ of sota instruments took apart an aranizer and says

that he can find " nothing unusual " to account for their claims.

All Air based ozonators put out different levels of pollutants, some

more , some less. UV ozonators are the only ones that approach zero,

but their output is low. I doubt if Aranizers are unique, and I

wouldn't trust the company to tell the truth anyway.

regards

> >Dear Scahtzi,

> >

> >When it hits the moisture in the lungs and turns

> >into nitric acid.

> >

> >Best of Health!

> >Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

> ><http://www.plasmafire.com>http://www.plasmafire.com

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting information.

After sending my message out to Saul and the group, I found this site:

http://www.air-zone.com/xtpower.html

This site talks about a " Draeger gas measuring meter " being used to measure

nitrogen gases that come off their particular ozone generator. If you go

out on Google, you can find many sites that advertise for Draeger meters

for measurement of particular gases:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8 & q=draeger+gas+meter

Then I just looked for the company, Draeger, and found on their site an

entry for nitric oxide or nitrous gases:

http://voice.draeger.com/voice/owa/vn_deta?S=360 & C=73 & L=1 & T=nitric%20oxide

You can search further, and find the exact item that is a portable unit

that measure these nitrous gases:

http://voice.draeger.com/voice/owa/vn_mdet?S=360 & P=6408 & C=73 & L=1 & K=4 & T=nitric%20\

oxide

Here is another company that says they have instruments to detect nitric oxide:

http://www.thermo.com/eThermo/CDA/Products/Product_Detail/1,1075,16185-101,00.ht\

ml

That Thermo company had some other units that were not portable, but the

portable one is priced on that page at around $1700, so it is out of my

price range.

Anyway, for either Alpine or Aranizer, (or other ozone generator companies

using room air) I am wondering if either company can say that they have

used a gas measuring device (and which one) in order to determine the

content of the output regarding any nitrogen compounds.

Carol

At 06:18 PM 10/11/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Carol and group,

>

>I have had some dealings and conversations with Ted, the owner of

>Aranizer. I think he's a con artist. The only nitric output test on

>the aranizers was done around 30 years ago. That's right...the only

>one. On two separate occasions, I asked Ted for the documentation

>from that test and both times he said he'd send it but didn't. He

>refuses to even admit that his units output ozone. He wants to call

>it aran. Russ of sota instruments took apart an aranizer and says

>that he can find " nothing unusual " to account for their claims.

>All Air based ozonators put out different levels of pollutants, some

>more , some less. UV ozonators are the only ones that approach zero,

>but their output is low. I doubt if Aranizers are unique, and I

>wouldn't trust the company to tell the truth anyway.

>

>regards

>

>

> > >Dear Scahtzi,

> > >

> > >When it hits the moisture in the lungs and turns

> > >into nitric acid.

> > >

> > >Best of Health!

> > >Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

> > ><<http://www.plasmafire.com>http://www.plasmafire.com>http://www.plasma

> fire.com

> > >