Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Bill, thank you for that reference. Any one who thinks that hormonal supplementation for men in the form of testosterone or its precursors is safe and benign should read the article. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA --- Black wrote: > Folks: > Interesting and potentially cautionary item. > Best, > Bill Black > Cumberland Foreside, Maine > > http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960<http://www.m\ edpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Dr. Giarnella would DHEA be a similar product? I don't take it but I know a lot of people who do take DHEA. Thanks, Rex Icard Albany, Georgia USA Ralph Giarnella wrote: Bill, thank you for that reference. Any one who thinks that hormonal supplementation for men in the form of testosterone or its precursors is safe and benign should read the article. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA --- Black wrote: > Folks: > Interesting and potentially cautionary item. > Best, > Bill Black > Cumberland Foreside, Maine > > http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960<http://www.m\ edpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 If DHEA causes a rise in testosterone then the answer is yes. Over the years I have reviewed numerous scientific articles concerning DHEA and there is conflicting evidence whether DHEA actually makes a difference in testosterone levels at any age. There has been some evidence that it is beneficial for women and perhaps the very old men. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA --- rex icard wrote: > Dr. Giarnella would DHEA be a similar product? I > don't take it but I know a lot of people who do take > DHEA. > > Thanks, > Rex Icard > Albany, Georgia USA > > Ralph Giarnella wrote: > Bill, thank you for that reference. > Any one who thinks that hormonal supplementation for > men in the form of testosterone or its precursors is > safe and benign should read the article. > > Ralph Giarnella MD > Southington Ct USA > > --- Black wrote: > > > Folks: > > Interesting and potentially cautionary item. > > Best, > > Bill Black > > Cumberland Foreside, Maine > > > > > http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960<http://www.m\ edpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 If there's a risk of prostrate cancer from DHEA, in all likelihood it's not from metabolism to testosterone but instead the far more likely metabolism to estradiol. Either one, however, is less likely than other outcomes. Ken O'Neill Austin, Texas > > > > > Folks: > > > Interesting and potentially cautionary item. > > > Best, > > > Bill Black > > > Cumberland Foreside, Maine > > > > > > > > > http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960<http://www.m\ edpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 How utterly amazing: combining test with estradiol finds relationship to several incidents of prostate cancer? My physician places far greater emphasis on estradiol levels than PSAs with respect to men and women - in terms of danger of prostate or breast cancer onset. He recommends use of probiotics to provide protection against estradiol reuptake. One study he mentions demonstrates considerable increase in breast cancer incidents among women on antibiotics for three months or longer due to compromised probiotics resulting in heightened concentrations of estradiol due to reuptake. I use testosterone therapeutically. It is compounded with an aromatase inhibitor to prevent conversion of testosterone to estradiol. Why on earth someone would use a combination of test with estradiol confounds imagination. best regards, Ken O'Neill Austin, Texas > > > Folks: > > Interesting and potentially cautionary item. > > Best, > > Bill Black > > Cumberland Foreside, Maine > > > > > http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960<http://www.m\ edpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Thank you Dr. Giarnella. Rex Icard Albany, Georgia USA ========================================== Ralph Giarnella wrote: If DHEA causes a rise in testosterone then the answer is yes. Over the years I have reviewed numerous scientific articles concerning DHEA and there is conflicting evidence whether DHEA actually makes a difference in testosterone levels at any age. There has been some evidence that it is beneficial for women and perhaps the very old men. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA --- rex icard wrote: > Dr. Giarnella would DHEA be a similar product? I > don't take it but I know a lot of people who do take > DHEA. > > Thanks, > Rex Icard > Albany, Georgia USA > > Ralph Giarnella wrote: > Bill, thank you for that reference. > Any one who thinks that hormonal supplementation for > men in the form of testosterone or its precursors is > safe and benign should read the article. > > Ralph Giarnella MD > Southington Ct USA > > --- Black wrote: > > > Folks: > > Interesting and potentially cautionary item. > > Best, > > Bill Black > > Cumberland Foreside, Maine > > > > > http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960<http://www.m\ edpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Ken, I think you assume too much if you consider that prostate cancer is primarily caused or promoted by estradiol or estrogens in general. Dr Ralph will know more, but I don't think there is any doubt that androgen as testosterone or dihydrotestosterone (or other) is a powerful promoter of prostate cancer. That's why androgen depletion therapy is used therapeutically. The role of estrogens in prostate cancer is still being investigated and, as I understand it, they probably play a role that is not yet fully understood. It may help to be clear that in carcinogenesis there are usually initiation and promotion stages and factors. That is, an agent causes the initial abnormal cell growth, eg a mutation, and other agent(s), or perhaps even the same agent, then promote the cancer growth and the metastases. It has been suggested that estrogens may initiate prostate cancer -- and so may other lifestyle and environmental factors. Yet that does not diminish the importance of androgens in promotion, ie, making that cancer grow. This is what seems to have occured in the cases reported. Many ageing men have a latent, initiated prostate cancer that is very slow growing -- unless you stimulate it with something. One figure I have seen is 30% of men over 50 (NEJM, Wolf, 1995). I would be watching that PSA of yours like a hawk if you are taking TS. Gympie, Australia > > > > > Folks: > > > Interesting and potentially cautionary item. > > > Best, > > > Bill Black > > > Cumberland Foreside, Maine > > > > > > > > > http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960<ht tp://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 --- wrote: > Ken, > > I think you assume too much if you consider that > prostate cancer is > primarily caused or promoted by estradiol or > estrogens in general. > > Dr Ralph will know more, but I don't think there is > any doubt that > androgen as testosterone or dihydrotestosterone (or > other) is a > powerful promoter of prostate cancer. That's why > androgen depletion > therapy is used therapeutically. > > The role of estrogens in prostate cancer is still > being investigated > and, as I understand it, they probably play a role > that is not yet > fully understood. Before I try to answer this post it is important that I issue a disclaimer. I am and Internist and Gastroenterologist. I am not a Urologist or Oncologist. I do not treat Prostate cancer and by no means do I know enough about prostate cancer to discuss it. Having said that I went to an Oncology Textbook (cancer treatment textbook) and read the Chapter on Prostate Cancer. <<Abeloff: Clinical Oncology, 3rd ed. Copyright © 2004 Churchill Livingstone, An Imprint of Elsevier Chapter 87 Prostate Cancer>> Below are what I think are relevant excerpts for this discussion. All texts enclosed by << ...>> are from the above textbook. First of all the chilling facts of the incidence of prostate cancer in apparently healthy mean. <<INTRODUCTION One challenge for prostate cancer screening is the prevalence of the disease in the United States: Autopsy series have revealed small prostate cancers in as many as 29% of men between ages 30 and 40 years and 64% of men between ages 60 and 70 years.[4]>> These are not men who died from prostate cancer, rather they are prostate cancer which were found incidentally. This not new information, since I was taught this in Medical School 40 years ago. Nowhere in the chapter is there reference to estrogens or estradiol with regards to increasing the risk for prostate cancer. On the contrary in some situations Estrogen is used to treat prostate cancer. Along with chemotherapy, radiation therapy, androgen and testosterone suppression is a very important mode of treatment especially in the very early states of prostate cancer. <<<Metastatic prostate cancer is almost always treated with androgen deprivation, antiandrogens, or a combination of androgen deprivation and antiandrogens.[193][194][195] However, despite such treatment, androgen-independent prostate cancer cells eventually emerge and progress to threaten life.>>> <<< THE TREATMENT OF LOCALIZED PROSTATE CANCER Androgen-deprivation therapy has been used with prostate cancer brachytherapy both to reduce the size of the prostate gland and to improve outcomes. Most prostate glands exhibit some decrease in volume after 3 months of androgen-deprivation therapy, with an average 30% to 40% reduction, and little further volume decreases.[513] About 10% of prostate glands will show no volume reduction at all in response to androgen deprivation.>>>> <<<Endocrine Approaches to Prostate Cancer Treatment The dependence of prostate cancer cells on androgens for growth and differentiation has been has been well recognized for at least five decades.[572] Testosterone, produced by Leydig cells in the testes on stimulation by LH, is converted to DHT by the action of 5 & #945;-reductase.[12] DHT, a more potent androgen than testosterone, binds to intracellular androgen receptors to activate the expression of target genes.[13][14] Androgen-deprivation therapy for prostate cancer involves maneuvers that reduce circulating testosterone to levels around or below levels present in castrated men (<50 ng/mL). Forced reduction of testosterone levels by castration, or via gonadal suppression, triggers a wave of apoptosis in both normal and neoplastic prostate cells, with few or no immediate effects on non-androgen target tissues, providing one of the most effective systemic palliative treatments known for solid organ cancers. Unfortunately, despite the magnitude of the initial beneficial treatment response, prostate cancer inexorably evolves to androgen independence.[24] No therapeutic maneuver has been shown to prevent this sequence of progression>>> It appears that estrogen therapy is just as effective as orchiectomy (removal of the testicles) however there are some undesirable side effects. <<<Strategies for Androgen Deprivation Currently, a general consensus holds that a reduction in testosterone produced by the testes represents the best standard approach to androgen-deprivation therapy for prostate cancer. This can be accomplished by surgical removal of the testis (bilateral orchiectomy), by inhibition of the synthesis and release of pituitary gonadotropins by gonadotropin hormone-releasing hormone analogs (GnRH or LHRH analogs and LHRH antagonists), or by the administration of pharmacologic doses of estrogens The administration of pharmacologic doses of synthetic estrogens represented the earliest strategy for drug treatment of prostate cancer.[577] Initial studies using diethylstilbestrol (DES) revealed a dose-dependent suppression of serum testosterone to the castrate range. When used for prostate cancer progression, DES provided clinical benefits comparable to those achieved with bilateral orchiectomy. In a clinical trial conducted by the Veterans Administration ative Urological Research Group (VACURG Study 1), men with prostate cancer treated with DES had a prostate cancer-specific survival comparable to that of men treated with bilateral orchiectomy>>> It is important to understand that even though you presently may have a normal PSA, this does not guarantee that you do not have a dormant or relatively inactive prostate cancer. As noted above as many as 29% of men between the age of 30-40 were found to have small prostate cancers at autopsies and as many as 64% of men age 60-70 were found to have prostate cancer. Over the years I have been personally interested in testosterone supplement for myself. I have discussed this with Endocrinologists and Urologists. The high probability that at my age (67) there is a relatively inactive prostate cancer which could be stimulated by the use of testosterone has dissuaded me from trying supplements even though I might be able to legally justify their use. In my opinion the benefit is not outweighed by the risk. At present there is no way of knowing, other than by autopsy or possibly prostate needle biopsy who has a slow growing prostate cancer. PSA is only beneficial when the cancer begins to speed up its growth. If you have any concerns about the safety of Testosterone supplementation you should consult a Urologist or Oncologist who treats this cancer. At age 60+ using testosterone supplementation is, in my opinion, like playing Russian Roulette with with a six shooter loaded with 4 bullets. Not great odds. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA > It may help to be clear that in carcinogenesis there > are usually > initiation and promotion stages and factors. That > is, an agent causes > the initial abnormal cell growth, eg a mutation, and > other agent(s), > or perhaps even the same agent, then promote the > cancer growth and > the metastases. > > It has been suggested that estrogens may initiate > prostate cancer -- > and so may other lifestyle and environmental > factors. Yet that does > not diminish the importance of androgens in > promotion, ie, making > that cancer grow. This is what seems to have occured > in the cases > reported. Many ageing men have a latent, initiated > prostate cancer > that is very slow growing -- unless you stimulate it > with something. > One figure I have seen is 30% of men over 50 (NEJM, > Wolf, 1995). > > I would be watching that PSA of yours like a hawk if > you are taking > TS. > > > Gympie, Australia > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > Interesting and potentially cautionary item. > > > > Best, > > > > Bill Black > > > > Cumberland Foreside, Maine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960<ht > tp://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/AlternativeMedicine/dh/7960> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 --- Casler wrote: > Casler writes: > > Hi Ralph, > > I too claim no " insight " into the DIRECT hormonal > relationship between > Prostate problems, and Testosterone, but wonder at > the evidence, or the > interpretation of it. > > If the aromatized DHT was " THE " culprit, it seems > strange that it occurs at > a time in one's life where the levels are the > lowest, compared to the ages > of say 18 when they are the highest. > > It would seem then, that it is likely a more complex > inter-relationship of > sensitivities, balances, exposures, genetic markers > or keys, and such. > > While it cannot be denied that DHT is an anabolic > enabler to what might seem > a " more " sensitive cellular proliferation of cancer > cells, it might not be > " THE " cause. Much like gasoline certainly will make > a fire flare up, but it > may not be the cause of the fire. > > I would assume that at some point in the exploration > to understand diabetes, > that some thought it was generally caused by too > little insulin, which we > now know is not always the case. > > As we also know, the relationship, profile, and > production of the endogenous > hormones changes as we age. Many are exploring that > " relationship " as well > as the related elements like cellular sensitivities > to various hormonal > levels. Much evidence for many diseases of aging > seem to stem from the > various reactive adjustments to these variations, > and the inflammation that > seems to accompany them. > > Any thoughts? > > > Regards, > > Casler > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Force Systems > Century City, CA > I don't think that any one is saying that testosterone or DHT are the causes of prostate cancer but rather their presence sort of feeds the fire. In women their are types of breast cancer which are very hormone sensitive. That is one of the reasons for caution when using HRT in menopause. We know that when prostate cancer occurs in younger men (40+) it is significantly more aggressive than when it occurs in older men (60+). In older men prostate cancer is definitely slower growing and in many cases the treatment of choice is to watch and wait and do nothing since the prostate cancer is not likely to cause problems. The risk for older men taking testosterone supplements is that they may turn what would otherwise be an indolent cancer into an aggressive cancer. You are correct in your statement that the issue is very complex as to cause and effect, prevention etc. I tried to summarize the highlights of a very detailed and long chapter on prostate cancer in which hormone was just one aspect of the discussion. I highlighted what I thought was germane to the present discussion. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 While I am neither an MD nor a cancer specialist, I do have considerable experience in assessing occupational and environmental carcinogens from previous work in occupational and environmental health. What initiates prostate cancer is not known conclusively. However, here is what the summary of the World Cancer Research Fund report has to say about causes of prostate cancer, bearing in mind that this review concentrates on nutrition, physical activity and lifestyle factors. I posted a link to this report previously. ********************************* " The Panel judges as follows: Foods containing lycopene, as well as selenium or foods containing it, probably protect against prostate cancer. Foods containing calcium are a probable cause of this cancer. It is unlikely that beta-carotene (whether from foods or supplements) has a substantial effect on the risk of this cancer. There is limited evidence suggesting that pulses (legumes) including soya and soya products, foods containing vitamin E, and alpha- tocopherol supplements are protective; and that processed meat, and milk and dairy products are a cause of this cancer. In final summary, the strongest evidence, corresponding to judgements of " convincing " and " probable " , shows that foods containing lycopene, as well as selenium or foods containing it, probably protect against prostate cancer, and that foods containing calcium are a probable cause of this cancer. It is unlikely that beta-carotene (whether from foods or supplements) has a substantial effect on the risk of this cancer. " ************************************ They also note that: " There are no other established causes of prostate cancer. " The careful assessments of this very large team of elite cancer specialists and scientists has produced a state of the art report on current knowledge of cancer causes and preventative factors in nutrition and physical activity. Now here comes the interesting bit. Here is what they say about testosterone (TS): " Growth factors, particularly IGF, as well as androgens have also been implicated in the development of prostate cancers. Serum levels of IGF-1 can be associated with prostate cancer independently of PSA levels. High levels of testosterone promote cell differentiation, which could protect against the development of this cancer. Therefore, declining levels of this hormone in older age may contribute to the development of this cancer. " The key to understanding this paradox -- if androgens are also clearly promoters -- is that when men are young, high TS levels probably protect cells from mutation in prostate gland. However, when a cancer has been initiated, say, by any of the above factors, TS then becomes a good promoter of *cancer cell* differentiation. The less TS you have in old age, the slower the growth of a slow-growing cancer. Which is not to say that you can't have your cake and eat it too by watching diet and nutrition and hoping you don't have cancer in the first place, in which case TS may be protective. Got it? Except you can't know without invasive tests. PSA is not entirely reliable. BTW, why caclium seems to be implicated in prostate cancer may be related to an imbalance of calcium intake and vitamin D3. This is discussed in the report. Vitamin D3 status seems to be protective of prostate cancer and too much calcium inhibits vitamin D3 formation. Estrogens do not get a mention in the report in relation to prostate. Oh well, back to the Brazil nuts and tomatoes. Gympie, Australia > > Before I try to answer this post it is important that > I issue a disclaimer. > I am and Internist and Gastroenterologist. I am not a > Urologist or Oncologist. I do not treat Prostate > cancer and by no means do I know enough about prostate > cancer to discuss it. > > Having said that I went to an Oncology Textbook > (cancer treatment textbook) and read the Chapter on > Prostate Cancer. > > <<Abeloff: Clinical Oncology, 3rd ed. > Copyright © 2004 Churchill Livingstone, An Imprint of > Elsevier > Chapter 87 Prostate Cancer>> > > Below are what I think are relevant excerpts for this > discussion. All texts enclosed by << ...>> are from > the above textbook. > > First of all the chilling facts of the incidence of > prostate cancer in apparently healthy mean. > > <<INTRODUCTION > One challenge for prostate cancer screening is the > prevalence of the disease in the United States: > Autopsy series have revealed small prostate cancers in > as many as 29% of men between ages 30 and 40 years and > 64% of men between ages 60 and 70 years.[4] > > These are not men who died from prostate cancer, > rather they are prostate cancer which were found > incidentally. This not new information, since I was > taught this in Medical School 40 years ago. > > Nowhere in the chapter is there reference to estrogens > or estradiol with regards to increasing the risk for > prostate cancer. On the contrary in some situations > Estrogen is used to treat prostate cancer. > > Casler writes: > > Hi Ralph, > > I too claim no " insight " into the DIRECT hormonal relationship between > Prostate problems, and Testosterone, but wonder at the evidence, or the > interpretation of it. > > If the aromatized DHT was " THE " culprit, it seems strange that it occurs at > a time in one's life where the levels are the lowest, compared to the ages > of say 18 when they are the highest. > > It would seem then, that it is likely a more complex inter- relationship of > sensitivities, balances, exposures, genetic markers or keys, and such. > > While it cannot be denied that DHT is an anabolic enabler to what might seem > a " more " sensitive cellular proliferation of cancer cells, it might not be > " THE " cause. Much like gasoline certainly will make a fire flare up, but it > may not be the cause of the fire. > > I would assume that at some point in the exploration to understand diabetes, > that some thought it was generally caused by too little insulin, which we > now know is not always the case. > > As we also know, the relationship, profile, and production of the endogenous > hormones changes as we age. Many are exploring that " relationship " as well > as the related elements like cellular sensitivities to various hormonal > levels. Much evidence for many diseases of aging seem to stem from the > various reactive adjustments to these variations, and the inflammation that > seems to accompany them. > > Any thoughts? > > > Regards, > > Casler > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Force Systems > Century City, CA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 > wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > I think you assume too much if you consider that > > prostate cancer is > > primarily caused or promoted by estradiol or > > estrogens in general. > So-called scientific reporting must always viewed with respect to the context in which it is written. For example, creationalists writing on evolution do so with a decided bias. In line with Max Planck's observation that science advances due to the deaths of older scientists, here's a short piece by Dr HingHua Tsang reporting on the late Dr Lee's take on estrodiol and the complex endocrinological changes associated with aging; omitted is any reference to the debilitating effects of hidden soy products in the diet, an outcome of Eastman Kodak bribing Congressmen to remove soy from the toxic foods list in the mid 1950s. " Just as in women, men suffer the effects of " estrogen dominance " . " Many researchers including R. Lee, M.D (Leading pioneer in natural progesterone therapy), Dr. Hanley and Dr. Eckhart are coming to the conclusion that the over abundance of estrogen and estrogen like substances (xenoestrogens or foreign estrogens) are responsible for a vast number of today's health problems. This over abundance of estrogen is referred to as estrogen dominance which is an increasingly serious problem for both women and men. Dr. Lee believes that it is excessive exposure to estrogen that is the primary cause of prostate enlargement and prostate cancer. Xenoestrogens in the environment are among the culprits. Sources of xenoestrogens includes commercially raised beef, chicken and pork, birth control pills, spermacide, detergent, plastics, plastic drinking bottles, pesticides, herbicides, personal care products, canned foods and lacquers. " Men produce estrogen (Estradiol) but in much lower amount than women. Men also produce progesterone, but about half the amount from that of females. Progesterone is made in men by the adrenal glands and testes. Progesterone is vital to good health in both women and men. It is the primary precursor of our adrenal cortical hormones and testosterone. The male hormone, testosterone, is an antagonist to estradiol (E2). It is made from progesterone. Men normally continue to produce relatively normal level of testosterone for their age and well into the seventies. Contrary to common perception, testosterone does not cause prostate cancer. Young men have high levels of testosterone and old men low levels. If testosterone were the cause of prostate cancer, young men would be dying of prostate cancer. Studies had shown that men with the highest level of testosterone have the least prostate enlargement. Conversely, men with the highest level of estrogen have enlarged prostates. Declining testosterone from aging, together with increasing level of estrogen, is the most likely reason for prostate enlargement and cancer in men. " The prostate is embryologically the same as the uterus in the female. Research Studies (Listed at the end of this newsletter) have shown that when prostate cells are exposed to estrogen, the cells proliferate and become cancerous. When progesterone or testosterone was added, cancer cell dies. During the aging process, progesterone level falls in men, especially after age 60. Progesterone is the chief inhibitor of an enzyme called 5-alpha reductase that is responsible for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a much more potent derivative that is linked to prostate cancer. When the level of progesterone falls in men, the amount of conversion from testosterone to DHT increases. Unfortunately, DHT is not as powerful an inhibitor of cancer cell compared to testosterone. When the level of testosterone decreases, the relative level of estradiol in men increases. Estradiol, turns on BCL2 oncogene (Onco means cancer) and increases the risk of prostate cancer if adequate amount of progesterone is not there to counteract its effect by stimulating the P53 cancer protection gene. " Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), a prostate enlargement condition, is a common condition affecting the majority of male above age 50. Prostate cancer is a leading cause of cancer in men. It is slow growing, with a doubling time of 5 years. Numerous anecdotal reports of reduction of BPH and reversal of prostate cancer through the use of natural progesterone supplementation have been reported. " Lee and others stand as an alternative view to that of medical orthodoxy. It should be noted that our standard notion of prostate cancer being associated with testosterone stem from work done in 1940 that would not be publishable today due to its anecdotal nature! Caveat lector. best Ken O'Neill Austin, Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 > wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > I think you assume too much if you consider that > > prostate cancer is > > primarily caused or promoted by estradiol or > > estrogens in general. > So-called scientific reporting must always viewed with respect to the context in which it is written. For example, creationalists writing on evolution do so with a decided bias. In line with Max Planck's observation that science advances due to the deaths of older scientists, here's a short piece by Dr HingHua Tsang reporting on the late Dr Lee's take on estrodiol and the complex endocrinological changes associated with aging; omitted is any reference to the debilitating effects of hidden soy products in the diet, an outcome of Eastman Kodak bribing Congressmen to remove soy from the toxic foods list in the mid 1950s. " Just as in women, men suffer the effects of " estrogen dominance " . " Many researchers including R. Lee, M.D (Leading pioneer in natural progesterone therapy), Dr. Hanley and Dr. Eckhart are coming to the conclusion that the over abundance of estrogen and estrogen like substances (xenoestrogens or foreign estrogens) are responsible for a vast number of today's health problems. This over abundance of estrogen is referred to as estrogen dominance which is an increasingly serious problem for both women and men. Dr. Lee believes that it is excessive exposure to estrogen that is the primary cause of prostate enlargement and prostate cancer. Xenoestrogens in the environment are among the culprits. Sources of xenoestrogens includes commercially raised beef, chicken and pork, birth control pills, spermacide, detergent, plastics, plastic drinking bottles, pesticides, herbicides, personal care products, canned foods and lacquers. " Men produce estrogen (Estradiol) but in much lower amount than women. Men also produce progesterone, but about half the amount from that of females. Progesterone is made in men by the adrenal glands and testes. Progesterone is vital to good health in both women and men. It is the primary precursor of our adrenal cortical hormones and testosterone. The male hormone, testosterone, is an antagonist to estradiol (E2). It is made from progesterone. Men normally continue to produce relatively normal level of testosterone for their age and well into the seventies. Contrary to common perception, testosterone does not cause prostate cancer. Young men have high levels of testosterone and old men low levels. If testosterone were the cause of prostate cancer, young men would be dying of prostate cancer. Studies had shown that men with the highest level of testosterone have the least prostate enlargement. Conversely, men with the highest level of estrogen have enlarged prostates. Declining testosterone from aging, together with increasing level of estrogen, is the most likely reason for prostate enlargement and cancer in men. " The prostate is embryologically the same as the uterus in the female. Research Studies (Listed at the end of this newsletter) have shown that when prostate cells are exposed to estrogen, the cells proliferate and become cancerous. When progesterone or testosterone was added, cancer cell dies. During the aging process, progesterone level falls in men, especially after age 60. Progesterone is the chief inhibitor of an enzyme called 5-alpha reductase that is responsible for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a much more potent derivative that is linked to prostate cancer. When the level of progesterone falls in men, the amount of conversion from testosterone to DHT increases. Unfortunately, DHT is not as powerful an inhibitor of cancer cell compared to testosterone. When the level of testosterone decreases, the relative level of estradiol in men increases. Estradiol, turns on BCL2 oncogene (Onco means cancer) and increases the risk of prostate cancer if adequate amount of progesterone is not there to counteract its effect by stimulating the P53 cancer protection gene. " Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), a prostate enlargement condition, is a common condition affecting the majority of male above age 50. Prostate cancer is a leading cause of cancer in men. It is slow growing, with a doubling time of 5 years. Numerous anecdotal reports of reduction of BPH and reversal of prostate cancer through the use of natural progesterone supplementation have been reported. " Lee and others stand as an alternative view to that of medical orthodoxy. It should be noted that our standard notion of prostate cancer being associated with testosterone stem from work done in 1940 that would not be publishable today due to its anecdotal nature! Caveat lector. best Ken O'Neill Austin, Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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