Coaching explosive exercise to kids is pointless?

[Guest guest]

At the risk of being redundant, I'll refer you both to my recent

posts on this subject. The first was on the progression of training a

beginner, the second about my friend Mike Burgener. My partner,

, a former Miss San contestant and cheerleader, standing

5'7 " and 130 lbs, coaches male prep school athletes without any

problems. Perhaps the fact that her lifts in training would have

placed her in the top 5 women in the country in her weight class is

relevant. It should be noted, however, that unlike Mike and I, she

does not ever raise her voice, yet gets complete compliance and due

respect from her athletes. At 6'1 " and 270 lbs I rarely have to raise

my voice and as stated in my post " Weightlifting training prep school

athletes " , I have condsiderable experience coaching kids in

Weightlifting in large groups and in a small amount of space, with

virtually no problems and a perfect safety record. And I have never

had to write a letter to the AD. As mentioned in the previous post

Mike Burgener's been teaching Weightlifting in his PE classes for

many years. His high school is multi racial and middle income at

best, just like most of the high schools I've coached at or developed

programs for. Everyone trains, boys and girls, black, white and brown

and there are no foot balls flying around, just barbells and

kettlebells. Here is a link to Mike coaching at lunchtime. All the

lifters are there on their own time. They are all high school

students except one. Can you guess which one is a National Champion?

Although you both hold CSCS certifications, apparently neither of you

actually know how to coach Weightlifting. Unfortunately, in 's

case, her expertise in Powerlifting has little relevance to preparing

for other sports.

However, if, as stated in my prior post, you become Level 1 certified

Weightlifting coaches and apply what you learn about coaching

Weightlifting on an individual basis, and if you can get some

mentoring or experience working with a coach like Mike Burgener,

myself or even any of our Jr. National level Weightlifters, you can

learn and develop the skills that will allow you to directly address

the problem, lack of experience coaching kids and become direct part

of the soultion.

Kids, in my experience, know intuitively if you really care and

respond accordingly. You will find the effort to learn and develop

the skills necesary to become an effective Weightlifting coach are

well worth it. The relationship with your lifters is quite close.

near parental, and one of the most gratifying things you'll ever do

is make the " Rudy " of the school one of the school's most successful

athletes. Seeing your gifted athletes get scholarships is also pretty

sweet.

If you really want to coach kids in Weightlifting and help make them

better athletes, Mike and I are available to help in any way we can.

You have my email address. There are also several other people on the

forum with a great deal of experience training kids, and I'm sure

you'll hear from them. Meanwhile I suggest you go to a search engine,

say, dogpile, and use Mike's Gym as your keyword. In Mike's site

there are videos of him coaching his regular PE classes, in addition

to a lot of other cool stuff. His PE classes have no flying

footballs, no boys BSing with girls, just kids training. Check it

out. Coaching kids to become superb Weightlifters and athletes is

quite doable and very gratifying, and we'll be glad to show you how

we do it.

W.G.

Ubermensch Sports Consultancy

San Diego, CA.

>

> > Having personally tried to be part of the solution

> > rather than the problem in a high school weight

> > room, I'd like to weigh in on this one. It's not

> > the explosive exercises, it's the

> > environment.....the program was fine, the sets

> > reasonable.....and kids certainly can learn the OL

> > and PL lifts properly, I've seen even younger but

> > MOTIVATED and WELL COACHED kids do this well and

> > even compete PL before the high school

> > years.....BUT.....

> >

> > Few parents were even remotely interested in where

> > their kids were. Kids claimed to be lifting but

> > were not present, off playing about (even committing

> > vandalism!) or even leaving the campus. Once in a

> > great while an indignant parent would show up and

> > demand to know where his kid was.... " we don't take

> > attendance here " was the answer the coach gave.

> >

> > A couple of girls tended to come in and sit and

> > WATCH. Not lift. Which also prompted some boys to

> > overdo....OR go talk to them instead of lifting.

> > Efforts to get girls to lift were universally

> > scoffed at. Briefly I had some success in getting a

> > couple of the boys to help a couple girls who braved

> > the room for a couple of weeks...and then they gave

> > up Some boys actually came in and ATE while

> > watching other people lift....and naturally told

> > their folks they'd been " lifting " ...

> >

> > Footballs flying through the air while you lifted

> > was a constant menace, as was the rap music that had

> > been PROHIBITED as improper (the school happened to

> > be parochial!) and yet swore away at earthshattering

> > volumes. 20-50 boys in the room at a time, all

> > trying to just finish their reps and get out. (The

> > coach had some idea that if he " had not personally

> > seen you do a set, this meant you had not done it " .

> > His insistence on trying to use this philisophy with

> > ME was ridiculous at best...and insulting at worst!

> > and naturally it was impossible for him to coach,

> > let alone keep in line this many people...his answer

> > was to sit at his desk and basically try to ignore

> > the majority of it). Most of the kids either gave

> > up trying to get his attention or resorted to pranks

> > to try to get him to notice them and possibly

> > help...

> >

> > I'd have to say I was shocked by an attack on the

> > coach and his own destructive behavior at one point,

> > and perhaps there's not enough care in choosing

> > strength coaches nor providing them with guidance

> > overall? that when the discipline and rather

> > immature conduct is in the coach, how then to hold

> > the kids responsible to act as adults and do their

> > work?

> >

> > But I also saw a very few kids who learned BIG form

> > and were properly explosive and also quietly worked

> > away in the mayhem to become good lifters. Anyone

> > who asked for help, I gave it gladly and I will say

> > I'm convinced that not only are they hearing

> > challenged, but some could not walk across a ROOM

> > and remember what you told them. Twice already!

> >

> > Unfortunately the other coaches who were supposed to

> > be up there helping were NEVER PRESENT. The

> > football coaches in particular I'm told were PAID

> > to be there and never showed up ONCE. Thus their

> > athletes ran wild with those of other sports... and

> > then the coaches complained of weak athletes, and

> > blamed the program of the strength coach lol.

> >

> > I left this place mid year and by the way, my

> > workouts only took 2/3 the actual clock time AND I

> > started PRing even my assist work and my platform

> > attempts improved in a standard non high school gym

> > beginning the very week I left!....while I learned a

> > great deal about kids and the way they think (or

> > don't mostly lol), I would have to say I don't plan

> > to sacrifice my time trying to help them in such a

> > muddled environment ever again lol. I worked the

> > competitions and helped out, and mostly got abused

> > roundly for my efforts by the coach as well.

> >

> > So having been on the end of trying to help in such

> > a situation, I'd have to say I can see why they get

> > few helpers and well, if the parents don't step in

> > to safeguard their own kids and their future, is it

> > any wonder you get bad form and injuries? If the

> > parents don't ensure the children are even PRESENT

> > at workouts, how can they expect a nice fat football

> > scholarship?

> >

> > the effects of too much freedom and too little

> > supervision is what is happening now in weight

> > rooms. when they mix in with adults in standard

> > gyms, the anger they generate by their lackadaisical

> > behavior and bad manners makes it impossible to

> > integrate them as well. Some gyms let kids have a

> > lower priced membership, and they're SUPPOSED to

> > have coaches present. Sadly this too does not

> > happen and you get kids running amok and angering

> > the members by not putting the weights away,

> > running, and holding sparring sessions freely amidst

> > the people working out...

> >

> > So there's a great deal of nonsense out there and if

> > you're a parent who expects their child to be

> > coached properly and trained up for a sport, my

> > advice is to BE PRESENT at their workouts, MAKE THE

> > TIME. Be there if your kid has a problem, either

> > with the social dynamics or the actual lifts, is in

> > PAIN, feels like he/she isn't being heard when they

> > have questions, and show up for more than game day.

> > The investment you make will be your child's

> > happiness, understanding of the lifts, and hopefully

> > a long term love of fitness and health.

> >

> > The Phantom

> > aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

> > Denver, Colorado, USA

>

[Guest guest]

This is one excellent post, IMO.

Dan Partelly

Oradea, Romania

> >

> > > Having personally tried to be part of the solution

> > > rather than the problem in a high school weight

> > > room, I'd like to weigh in on this one. It's not

> > > the explosive exercises, it's the

> > > environment.....the program was fine, the sets

> > > reasonable.....and kids certainly can learn the OL

> > > and PL lifts properly, I've seen even younger but

> > > MOTIVATED and WELL COACHED kids do this well and

> > > even compete PL before the high school

> > > years.....BUT.....

> > >

> > > Few parents were even remotely interested in where

> > > their kids were. Kids claimed to be lifting but

> > > were not present, off playing about (even committing

> > > vandalism!) or even leaving the campus. Once in a

> > > great while an indignant parent would show up and

> > > demand to know where his kid was.... " we don't take

> > > attendance here " was the answer the coach gave.

> > >

> > > A couple of girls tended to come in and sit and

> > > WATCH. Not lift. Which also prompted some boys to

> > > overdo....OR go talk to them instead of lifting.

> > > Efforts to get girls to lift were universally

> > > scoffed at. Briefly I had some success in getting a

> > > couple of the boys to help a couple girls who braved

> > > the room for a couple of weeks...and then they gave

> > > up Some boys actually came in and ATE while

> > > watching other people lift....and naturally told

> > > their folks they'd been " lifting " ...

> > >

> > > Footballs flying through the air while you lifted

> > > was a constant menace, as was the rap music that had

> > > been PROHIBITED as improper (the school happened to

> > > be parochial!) and yet swore away at earthshattering

> > > volumes. 20-50 boys in the room at a time, all

> > > trying to just finish their reps and get out. (The

> > > coach had some idea that if he " had not personally

> > > seen you do a set, this meant you had not done it " .

> > > His insistence on trying to use this philisophy with

> > > ME was ridiculous at best...and insulting at worst!

> > > and naturally it was impossible for him to coach,

> > > let alone keep in line this many people...his answer

> > > was to sit at his desk and basically try to ignore

> > > the majority of it). Most of the kids either gave

> > > up trying to get his attention or resorted to pranks

> > > to try to get him to notice them and possibly

> > > help...

> > >

> > > I'd have to say I was shocked by an attack on the

> > > coach and his own destructive behavior at one point,

> > > and perhaps there's not enough care in choosing

> > > strength coaches nor providing them with guidance

> > > overall? that when the discipline and rather

> > > immature conduct is in the coach, how then to hold

> > > the kids responsible to act as adults and do their

> > > work?

> > >

> > > But I also saw a very few kids who learned BIG form

> > > and were properly explosive and also quietly worked

> > > away in the mayhem to become good lifters. Anyone

> > > who asked for help, I gave it gladly and I will say

> > > I'm convinced that not only are they hearing

> > > challenged, but some could not walk across a ROOM

> > > and remember what you told them. Twice already!

> > >

> > > Unfortunately the other coaches who were supposed to

> > > be up there helping were NEVER PRESENT. The

> > > football coaches in particular I'm told were PAID

> > > to be there and never showed up ONCE. Thus their

> > > athletes ran wild with those of other sports... and

> > > then the coaches complained of weak athletes, and

> > > blamed the program of the strength coach lol.

> > >

> > > I left this place mid year and by the way, my

> > > workouts only took 2/3 the actual clock time AND I

> > > started PRing even my assist work and my platform

> > > attempts improved in a standard non high school gym

> > > beginning the very week I left!....while I learned a

> > > great deal about kids and the way they think (or

> > > don't mostly lol), I would have to say I don't plan

> > > to sacrifice my time trying to help them in such a

> > > muddled environment ever again lol. I worked the

> > > competitions and helped out, and mostly got abused

> > > roundly for my efforts by the coach as well.

> > >

> > > So having been on the end of trying to help in such

> > > a situation, I'd have to say I can see why they get

> > > few helpers and well, if the parents don't step in

> > > to safeguard their own kids and their future, is it

> > > any wonder you get bad form and injuries? If the

> > > parents don't ensure the children are even PRESENT

> > > at workouts, how can they expect a nice fat football

> > > scholarship?

> > >

> > > the effects of too much freedom and too little

> > > supervision is what is happening now in weight

> > > rooms. when they mix in with adults in standard

> > > gyms, the anger they generate by their lackadaisical

> > > behavior and bad manners makes it impossible to

> > > integrate them as well. Some gyms let kids have a

> > > lower priced membership, and they're SUPPOSED to

> > > have coaches present. Sadly this too does not

> > > happen and you get kids running amok and angering

> > > the members by not putting the weights away,

> > > running, and holding sparring sessions freely amidst

> > > the people working out...

> > >

> > > So there's a great deal of nonsense out there and if

> > > you're a parent who expects their child to be

> > > coached properly and trained up for a sport, my

> > > advice is to BE PRESENT at their workouts, MAKE THE

> > > TIME. Be there if your kid has a problem, either

> > > with the social dynamics or the actual lifts, is in

> > > PAIN, feels like he/she isn't being heard when they

> > > have questions, and show up for more than game day.

> > > The investment you make will be your child's

> > > happiness, understanding of the lifts, and hopefully

> > > a long term love of fitness and health.

> > >

> > > The Phantom

> > > aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

> > > Denver, Colorado, USA

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bill,

First off, I have never had the kinds of problems with

compliance and the other issues that had talked

about in her post. I have only had experience coaching

at the college level and not the high school so I was

not for sure of her exact situation. But you most

definitely don't need to be disrespectful to anyone,

either or myself, and you most definitely have

no idea how good of a weightlifting coach that I am.

So don't be judgmental and try to say how great of a

coach you are and how terrible everyone else is when

you have no clue.

The " letter to the AD " I recommended would most

definitely be a last resort, but unfortunately their

are many high school coaches, football, basketball,

strength and conditioning coaches, etc..., who

shouldn't be doing what they are doing especially when

they can't keep control over their athletes.

I haven't worked with them or had those kinds of

issues myself but I most definitely have seen them and

know of other people's involvement with them. And I

believe that the more people that make it known that

this person is doing a terrible job the better.

Because unfortunately there are tons of teachers out

there that have jobs and can't be fired because of

tenure even though they aren't doing a darn thing when

it comes to educating our youth.

Chad Scheitel, MA, CSCS

Minneapolis, MN

wrote:

>

> This is one excellent post, IMO.

>

> Dan Partelly

> Oradea, Romania

>

>

> >

> > At the risk of being redundant, I'll refer you

> both to my recent

> > posts on this subject. The first was on the

> progression of training a

> > beginner, the second about my friend Mike

> Burgener. My partner,

> > , a former Miss San contestant and

> cheerleader, standing

> > 5'7 " and 130 lbs, coaches male prep school

> athletes without any

> > problems. Perhaps the fact that her lifts in

> training would have

> > placed her in the top 5 women in the country in

> her weight class is

> > relevant. It should be noted, however, that unlike

> Mike and I, she

> > does not ever raise her voice, yet gets complete

> compliance and due

> > respect from her athletes. At 6'1 " and 270 lbs I

> rarely have to raise

> > my voice and as stated in my post " Weightlifting

> training prep school

> > athletes " , I have condsiderable experience

> coaching kids in

> > Weightlifting in large groups and in a small

> amount of space, with

> > virtually no problems and a perfect safety record.

> And I have never

> > had to write a letter to the AD. As mentioned in

> the previous post

> > Mike Burgener's been teaching Weightlifting in his

> PE classes for

> > many years. His high school is multi racial and

> middle income at

> > best, just like most of the high schools I've

> coached at or developed

> > programs for. Everyone trains, boys and girls,

> black, white and brown

> > and there are no foot balls flying around, just

> barbells and

> > kettlebells. Here is a link to Mike coaching at

> lunchtime. All the

> > lifters are there on their own time. They are all

> high school

> > students except one. Can you guess which one is a

> National Champion?

> >

> >

> >

> > Although you both hold CSCS certifications,

> apparently neither of you

> > actually know how to coach Weightlifting.

> Unfortunately, in 's

> > case, her expertise in Powerlifting has little

> relevance to preparing

> > for other sports.

> > However, if, as stated in my prior post, you

> become Level 1 certified

> > Weightlifting coaches and apply what you learn

> about coaching

> > Weightlifting on an individual basis, and if you

> can get some

> > mentoring or experience working with a coach like

> Mike Burgener,

> > myself or even any of our Jr. National level

> Weightlifters, you can

> > learn and develop the skills that will allow you

> to directly address

> > the problem, lack of experience coaching kids and

> become direct part

> > of the soultion.

> > Kids, in my experience, know intuitively if you

> really care and

> > respond accordingly. You will find the effort to

> learn and develop

> > the skills necesary to become an effective

> Weightlifting coach are

> > well worth it. The relationship with your lifters

> is quite close.

> > near parental, and one of the most gratifying

> things you'll ever do

> > is make the " Rudy " of the school one of the

> school's most successful

> > athletes. Seeing your gifted athletes get

> scholarships is also pretty

> > sweet.

> > If you really want to coach kids in Weightlifting

> and help make them

> > better athletes, Mike and I are available to help

> in any way we can.

> > You have my email address. There are also several

> other people on the

> > forum with a great deal of experience training

> kids, and I'm sure

> > you'll hear from them. Meanwhile I suggest you go

> to a search engine,

> > say, dogpile, and use Mike's Gym as your keyword.

> In Mike's site

> > there are videos of him coaching his regular PE

> classes, in addition

> > to a lot of other cool stuff. His PE classes have

> no flying

> > footballs, no boys BSing with girls, just kids

> training. Check it

> > out. Coaching kids to become superb Weightlifters

> and athletes is

> > quite doable and very gratifying, and we'll be

> glad to show you how

> > we do it.

> >

> > W.G.

> > Ubermensch Sports Consultancy

> > San Diego, CA.

[Guest guest]

Sorry if I was a bit defensive in my last post, I do

understand that you were trying to give some

constructive criticism and lend some advice. But I

have had quite a bit of success coaching with no major

compliance problems, and I found it offensive that

someone would suggest that I don't know what I am

doing. I want to make it known that in my post I did

not intend to make it seem that I believe youth should

not be doing explosive exercise, they most definitely

should be. However, my biggest point was that proper

position is way under taught, undertrained, and the

reason there are injury problems at so many levels

(and why HIT training, which I believe is a joke, has

become popular). A perfect example of this is the

fact that there is huge number of hamstring and groin

pulls every year on almost every college and even pro

football teams even though all of their athletes do

the Olympic Lifts. This is not a hit on the OLs, they

are not the problem, how they are used within a

program (along with the other exercises that are done)

and the incorrect positions that they are done in are

the problem. I know that my way of evaluating and

training people is significantly different then a lot

of people in the strength and conditioing field, and

gladly so. My athletes don't have the same kind of

muscle issues that others do (pulls, tears, etc...).

But that doesn't mean I don't know what I am doing or

that I don't get good results.

Chad Scheitel, MA, CSCS

Minneapolis, MN

--- " W.G. 'Bill' "

wrote:

> At the risk of being redundant, I'll refer you both

> to my recent

> posts on this subject. The first was on the

> progression of training a

> beginner, the second about my friend Mike Burgener.

> My partner,

> , a former Miss San contestant and

> cheerleader, standing

> 5'7 " and 130 lbs, coaches male prep school athletes

> without any

> problems. Perhaps the fact that her lifts in

> training would have

> placed her in the top 5 women in the country in her

> weight class is

> relevant. It should be noted, however, that unlike

> Mike and I, she

> does not ever raise her voice, yet gets complete

> compliance and due

> respect from her athletes. At 6'1 " and 270 lbs I

> rarely have to raise

> my voice and as stated in my post " Weightlifting

> training prep school

> athletes " , I have condsiderable experience coaching

> kids in

> Weightlifting in large groups and in a small amount

> of space, with

> virtually no problems and a perfect safety record.

> And I have never

> had to write a letter to the AD. As mentioned in the

> previous post

> Mike Burgener's been teaching Weightlifting in his

> PE classes for

> many years. His high school is multi racial and

> middle income at

> best, just like most of the high schools I've

> coached at or developed

> programs for. Everyone trains, boys and girls,

> black, white and brown

> and there are no foot balls flying around, just

> barbells and

> kettlebells. Here is a link to Mike coaching at

> lunchtime. All the

> lifters are there on their own time. They are all

> high school

> students except one. Can you guess which one is a

> National Champion?

>

>

>

> Although you both hold CSCS certifications,

> apparently neither of you

> actually know how to coach Weightlifting.

> Unfortunately, in 's

> case, her expertise in Powerlifting has little

> relevance to preparing

> for other sports.

> However, if, as stated in my prior post, you become

> Level 1 certified

> Weightlifting coaches and apply what you learn about

> coaching

> Weightlifting on an individual basis, and if you can

> get some

> mentoring or experience working with a coach like

> Mike Burgener,

> myself or even any of our Jr. National level

> Weightlifters, you can

> learn and develop the skills that will allow you to

> directly address

> the problem, lack of experience coaching kids and

> become direct part

> of the soultion.

> Kids, in my experience, know intuitively if you

> really care and

> respond accordingly. You will find the effort to

> learn and develop

> the skills necesary to become an effective

> Weightlifting coach are

> well worth it. The relationship with your lifters is

> quite close.

> near parental, and one of the most gratifying things

> you'll ever do

> is make the " Rudy " of the school one of the school's

> most successful

> athletes. Seeing your gifted athletes get

> scholarships is also pretty

> sweet.

> If you really want to coach kids in Weightlifting

> and help make them

> better athletes, Mike and I are available to help in

> any way we can.

> You have my email address. There are also several

> other people on the

> forum with a great deal of experience training kids,

> and I'm sure

> you'll hear from them. Meanwhile I suggest you go to

> a search engine,

> say, dogpile, and use Mike's Gym as your keyword. In

> Mike's site

> there are videos of him coaching his regular PE

> classes, in addition

> to a lot of other cool stuff. His PE classes have no

> flying

> footballs, no boys BSing with girls, just kids

> training. Check it

> out. Coaching kids to become superb Weightlifters

> and athletes is

> quite doable and very gratifying, and we'll be glad

> to show you how

> we do it.

>

> W.G.

> Ubermensch Sports Consultancy

> San Diego, CA.

>

[Guest guest]

My humblest apologies, I inadvertently placed the wrong link in my

previous post. That's Mike Burgener's oldest son, Casey at the

Arnold's. Here is the post of Mike working with his high school kids

and one National Weightlifting Champion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9ITw2iwaEw

Hope this clarifies things,

W.G.

Ubermensch Sports Consultancy

San Diego, CA.

>

> > At the risk of being redundant, I'll refer you both

> > to my recent

> > posts on this subject. The first was on the

> > progression of training a

> > beginner, the second about my friend Mike Burgener.

> > My partner,

> > , a former Miss San contestant and

> > cheerleader, standing

> > 5'7 " and 130 lbs, coaches male prep school athletes

> > without any

> > problems. Perhaps the fact that her lifts in

> > training would have

> > placed her in the top 5 women in the country in her

> > weight class is

> > relevant. It should be noted, however, that unlike

> > Mike and I, she

> > does not ever raise her voice, yet gets complete

> > compliance and due

> > respect from her athletes. At 6'1 " and 270 lbs I

> > rarely have to raise

> > my voice and as stated in my post " Weightlifting

> > training prep school

> > athletes " , I have condsiderable experience coaching

> > kids in

> > Weightlifting in large groups and in a small amount

> > of space, with

> > virtually no problems and a perfect safety record.

> > And I have never

> > had to write a letter to the AD. As mentioned in the

> > previous post

> > Mike Burgener's been teaching Weightlifting in his

> > PE classes for

> > many years. His high school is multi racial and

> > middle income at

> > best, just like most of the high schools I've

> > coached at or developed

> > programs for. Everyone trains, boys and girls,

> > black, white and brown

> > and there are no foot balls flying around, just

> > barbells and

> > kettlebells. Here is a link to Mike coaching at

> > lunchtime. All the

> > lifters are there on their own time. They are all

> > high school

> > students except one. Can you guess which one is a

> > National Champion?

> >

> >

> >

> > Although you both hold CSCS certifications,

> > apparently neither of you

> > actually know how to coach Weightlifting.

> > Unfortunately, in 's

> > case, her expertise in Powerlifting has little

> > relevance to preparing

> > for other sports.

> > However, if, as stated in my prior post, you become

> > Level 1 certified

> > Weightlifting coaches and apply what you learn about

> > coaching

> > Weightlifting on an individual basis, and if you can

> > get some

> > mentoring or experience working with a coach like

> > Mike Burgener,

> > myself or even any of our Jr. National level

> > Weightlifters, you can

> > learn and develop the skills that will allow you to

> > directly address

> > the problem, lack of experience coaching kids and

> > become direct part

> > of the soultion.

> > Kids, in my experience, know intuitively if you

> > really care and

> > respond accordingly. You will find the effort to

> > learn and develop

> > the skills necesary to become an effective

> > Weightlifting coach are

> > well worth it. The relationship with your lifters is

> > quite close.

> > near parental, and one of the most gratifying things

> > you'll ever do

> > is make the " Rudy " of the school one of the school's

> > most successful

> > athletes. Seeing your gifted athletes get

> > scholarships is also pretty

> > sweet.

> > If you really want to coach kids in Weightlifting

> > and help make them

> > better athletes, Mike and I are available to help in

> > any way we can.

> > You have my email address. There are also several

> > other people on the

> > forum with a great deal of experience training kids,

> > and I'm sure

> > you'll hear from them. Meanwhile I suggest you go to

> > a search engine,

> > say, dogpile, and use Mike's Gym as your keyword. In

> > Mike's site

> > there are videos of him coaching his regular PE

> > classes, in addition

> > to a lot of other cool stuff. His PE classes have no

> > flying

> > footballs, no boys BSing with girls, just kids

> > training. Check it

> > out. Coaching kids to become superb Weightlifters

> > and athletes is

> > quite doable and very gratifying, and we'll be glad

> > to show you how

> > we do it.

> >

> > W.G.

> > Ubermensch Sports Consultancy

> > San Diego, CA.

> >

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