Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 My son has also been subjected to bullying and ridicule for his symptoms. It has been very hard for both of us. He is on homebound instruction for the moment(also in va beach), which is another way of saying he is homeschooled but the school assigns work and grades it. I wish we had better options. I do not feel the school has addressed the bullying at all. They suggest homeschooling often and try to minimize the problem. It is an impossible situation. The good news is my son is very outgoing and is still doing well in extra curricular (non school) social outlets, but he should be able to participate in school activities! mm > > > In a message dated 4/13/2007 11:27:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > wallflower67@... writes: > > I've talked to the counselor, and they have been good at moving kids, but > it's getting to the point where they can't just move everyone! > > How much is too much? I've thought about sending her to a private school > for learning disabled kids (because she has a serious learning disability too, > we have an IEP). But that would mean she would have to give up violin, and > she really likes playing in the orchestra. > > > Laurie > > Oh - your poor dd. And bless her heart - violin!!!! Nothing too easy > there, eh? My dd took violin in 4th & 5th grade then finally just gave it up. > She still enjoyed playing it, but it was just too much practicing for her - she > wanted to do other things too. > > Many schools have a " zero tolerance " for bullying these days because of all > the bad press that has come of it. I would push the issue with the school. > Just physically moving kids is NOT the answer. These kids need to be dealt > with - they need to be taught that what they're doing is unacceptable. Their > parents should also be brought into it. Learning disability or not, your > daughter has every right to be in that school & not be harassed > LT. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: <I don't work outside the home. The heart stuff is so unpredictable that I can't. I can't imagine they would let you go lay down whenever you needed to on a job. If I could work, the extra income would sure help though.> Oh duh....I knew that! That's another reason I was thinking about home schooling. It is hard when I " m having my own health problems, to have to help with homework. Sometimes on the phone with my step- kids now. Now that dh is in town more, he can help his own kids. Their mom is a " sink or swim " mother. So she doesn't help them much. <When we are schooling, Josh schools for about 3-4 hours a day. He is in 9th grade, so does more than he used to. Most of his friends who go to public school put in 2-3 hours of homework once they get home.> Okay...3-4, or even 5 hours a day doesn't sound bad. We would just have to do extra on some days if I work a lot that week. <I provide the curriculum, write up the assignments, correct his schoolwork and take him to activities. If he gets stuck (which is seldom) we tackle it together. There are answer books and solutions manuals, so it's not as hard as it would sound.> Do you use any particular curriculum? Or do you pick from a variety of things? From what I've heard you can buy whole curriculums, but I'm not sure I'd want to do that. <There is a great site that gives you information on homeschool laws concerning different states. It is hslda.com. > Thanks for the link! Laurie --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 I know I will always support my daughter, even if she turns into a son, I know she'll be the same person inside. It would just be REALLY hard for me. I'd have to not let her know that, I think. My brother is gay, and since he is younger than me, I actually knew what he was first because he didn't know about the word homosexual. But we always knew he was different. He is not out to our parents, but he is to my dh and me and his friends. My daughter started wanting to be a boy when she was about 7 or 8...the time her OCD and ADHD kicked in. I wonder if she thought maybe she wouldn't have those problems if she was a boy? I tried to get it out of her buy never could. She has never been sexually abused, unless someone out side the home did it. I've asked, as much as you can ask a kid without scaring them. She always played with " action figures " rather than dolls. When she was young, it was her Barney and Disney figures. I gave all her Barbies away. She had one baby doll that she played with. She is physically active, and likes to run like the boys, but she isn't really into sports, though. I put her in soccer and basketball through the Y. But she also took gymnastics and dance. She likes dance, and wants to ice skate like her friend...until I point out that she would have to wear stage make up and girly clothes. We quit dance because I told her I wasn't going another year with her screaming while I was putting make up on her for the dance recital! (and also I objected to some of the " sexy " costumes that the older girls were wearing " She doesn't like having periods, but has adjusted. To her, sex is disgusting, which is fine by me! But if you talk about someone being gay she just laughs like any kid that age. I gues I'll have to wait and see. Right now, school is a real problem for her, socially. I wonder if gender dysphoria is part of the problem And yet, occasionally she will say something that is girl-like. Laurie mzdaisee47 <mzdaisee@...> wrote: " She actually wants to be a boy, which is it's own worry. " Laurie, I personally know 2 people who have dealt with gender dysphoria. One had gender reasignment surgery. The other is married and therefore will not have surgery. Both have believed all their lives that they were given the wrong body at birth. It was not a decision they made. Even as small children they felt more like the other gender. If your daughter just says she wants to be a boy, perhaps this is not true for her and she is just imagining her life would be easier as a boy. Has she always wanted to change or this something recent? Also, does she enjoy boy activities more than girly things? Has she ever been sexually abused? It could be that she just does not want to deal with monthly things, etc. My 11 yr old daughter is grossed out by the idea of periods and still thinks sex is gross (although she fantasizes about it a lot). She also has to be nagged constantly about grooming/hygiene and dresses really weird, but not like a boy. She is just very unique. Well, what I actually started out to say is that whatever way your daughter goes as an adult, she is still the same person inside and it is so wonderful that you are open-minded and will support her no matter what. So many families are intolerant when their offspring lead non-traditional lifestyles or want non- traditional things in their life. If wanting to be a boy is part of the OCD, it will pass. She has enough to deal with. Bless you both. P. Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: / . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Chris Castle, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Wow...that sounds great!. So she can do sports, instruments, clubs, etc.? Do you think they would have been willing to work with you if they had not been for the homeschooling themselves? Laurie Wood <gladtobegreek@...> wrote: Hi Laurie, I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day. We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a long, hard journey, but I think we have some peace for now! God bless, Becky wallflower wrote: Yes, this helps a lot. Do you live in a large school district? Did they work well with you right off, or did you have to fight with them a bit (or beg them or whatever)? Laurie gladtobegreek wrote: I'm homeschooling my 13 year old her core classes and she is going to school for electives (computer, music, yearbook, etc.) The school is working well with us. I understand what your mom is saying, but the lasting damage that can be done by bullying is far worse then any damage that would be done from not socializing. Besides, there are many homeschooling groups and outside activities that she can be a part of. My daughter is doing well. Her anxiety has lessened and she finally seems happy. She actually enjoys going to school now. I just realized that she couldn't be there all day. She was like a square peg being forced to fit into a round hole. She's maturing and she will get there someday, but for now, I feel this will help her to succeed in the long run. I hope this has helped. God bless, Becky > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Wow...that sounds great!. So she can do sports, instruments, clubs, etc.? Do you think they would have been willing to work with you if they had not been for the homeschooling themselves? Laurie Wood <gladtobegreek@...> wrote: Hi Laurie, I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day. We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a long, hard journey, but I think we have some peace for now! God bless, Becky wallflower wrote: Yes, this helps a lot. Do you live in a large school district? Did they work well with you right off, or did you have to fight with them a bit (or beg them or whatever)? Laurie gladtobegreek wrote: I'm homeschooling my 13 year old her core classes and she is going to school for electives (computer, music, yearbook, etc.) The school is working well with us. I understand what your mom is saying, but the lasting damage that can be done by bullying is far worse then any damage that would be done from not socializing. Besides, there are many homeschooling groups and outside activities that she can be a part of. My daughter is doing well. Her anxiety has lessened and she finally seems happy. She actually enjoys going to school now. I just realized that she couldn't be there all day. She was like a square peg being forced to fit into a round hole. She's maturing and she will get there someday, but for now, I feel this will help her to succeed in the long run. I hope this has helped. God bless, Becky > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 I forgot to ask....do you buy your own text books? Or since the school is willing to work with you, will they supply then for you? Laurie Wood <gladtobegreek@...> wrote: Hi Laurie, I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day. We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a long, hard journey, but I think we have some peace for now! God bless, Becky --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 I forgot to ask....do you buy your own text books? Or since the school is willing to work with you, will they supply then for you? Laurie Wood <gladtobegreek@...> wrote: Hi Laurie, I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day. We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a long, hard journey, but I think we have some peace for now! God bless, Becky --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 I'm going to talk to the counselor again this week. This is hard! It reminds me of when i was powerless at her age. Laurie jtlt@... wrote: Oh - your poor dd. And bless her heart - violin!!!! Nothing too easy there, eh? My dd took violin in 4th & 5th grade then finally just gave it up. She still enjoyed playing it, but it was just too much practicing for her - she wanted to do other things too. Many schools have a " zero tolerance " for bullying these days because of all the bad press that has come of it. I would push the issue with the school. Just physically moving kids is NOT the answer. These kids need to be dealt with - they need to be taught that what they're doing is unacceptable. Their parents should also be brought into it. Learning disability or not, your daughter has every right to be in that school & not be harassed LT. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 She is at such an awkward stage. She lumbers when she walks...she grew so fast I think it's hard to keep her balance. So Taekwondo is not as easy for her....right when she's about to test for her Black Belt No interests in boys...or girls either. I've been trying to keep that line of communication open. I didn't get into boys really until I was 15, though I pretended to when I was 13. Laurie <@...> wrote: Yes, she WANTS to be a boy. She has been saying this for several years. About 3 to 4 years ago she refused to wear " girl " clothes. She has worn only " boy " pants and t-shirts and sweat shirts since then. She's only in 6th grade? Some kids are older than peers with some things in life - being interested in dating, clothing style changes, " admitting " you are interested in the opposite sex, physical development.... I buy men's jeans, they fit me better! (no, not the baggy kind my sons buy!) and I bought the men's sweatshirts this past fall as I hated the new women's style in the local stores (changed the neck & sleeve style and stitching). And when still in school, even if she decides to change her clothing style, it'd be hard to do without comments from peers and perhaps drawing attention to herself (I hate attention on me!). 7th grade was when I went boy crazy! I thought my sons would never get interested in girls in THAT way, they were past 7th grade too. Well... did like a few but no girlfriend until high school. (YAY! I was glad about that, LOL) With boys/men and OCD, wondering if they might possibly be gay is common. Probably common for girls/women to wonder about themselves at times too. It is the " doubting disease. " Quick thoughts this a.m.! Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: / . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Chris Castle, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 She is at such an awkward stage. She lumbers when she walks...she grew so fast I think it's hard to keep her balance. So Taekwondo is not as easy for her....right when she's about to test for her Black Belt No interests in boys...or girls either. I've been trying to keep that line of communication open. I didn't get into boys really until I was 15, though I pretended to when I was 13. Laurie <@...> wrote: Yes, she WANTS to be a boy. She has been saying this for several years. About 3 to 4 years ago she refused to wear " girl " clothes. She has worn only " boy " pants and t-shirts and sweat shirts since then. She's only in 6th grade? Some kids are older than peers with some things in life - being interested in dating, clothing style changes, " admitting " you are interested in the opposite sex, physical development.... I buy men's jeans, they fit me better! (no, not the baggy kind my sons buy!) and I bought the men's sweatshirts this past fall as I hated the new women's style in the local stores (changed the neck & sleeve style and stitching). And when still in school, even if she decides to change her clothing style, it'd be hard to do without comments from peers and perhaps drawing attention to herself (I hate attention on me!). 7th grade was when I went boy crazy! I thought my sons would never get interested in girls in THAT way, they were past 7th grade too. Well... did like a few but no girlfriend until high school. (YAY! I was glad about that, LOL) With boys/men and OCD, wondering if they might possibly be gay is common. Probably common for girls/women to wonder about themselves at times too. It is the " doubting disease. " Quick thoughts this a.m.! Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: / . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Chris Castle, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Wow! This makes me feel better! This does sound a lot like my daughter! I think she now just attaches herself to the " boy " version of anything. It's like an identity thing to her. I " m sure she'd love the camouflage thing, but I think that was in style a few years ago. I can't find any now. <sigh> Laurie jtlt@... wrote: Give it some time. This is another thing I can personally relate to. My dd didn't " become a girl " until, literally, the day before 8th grade started. Up until then, she wanted to be a male Marine. HAHA I'm TOTALLY serious!!!! My sweet baby girl owned a complete set of camouflage - she would play 'marines' with the neighborhood kids (mostly boys) and go on " missions " in the back yards... my husband gave her some camouflage face paint & she thought it was THE BEST present EVER. When our nephew joined the Marines & went to boot camp in South Carolina, we all went to his graduation and my dd actually wore her camouflage uniform to his ceremony! She absolutely idolized that boy. In 5th grade health class they passed out free deodorant - Secret for the girls & Old Spice for the boys.... THREE GUESSES which my daughter brought home!!!!! She also only wore her older brother's hand-me-downs. I could NEVER shop in the girls dept for her - only boys. Then, suddenly, as if someone clicked a light switch on..... it was a complete panic that we get out & shop for " girl " clothes the DAY BEFORE 8th grade started. That's about when we went broke with shopping expenses!!! HA!!!! I guess what I'm trying to say is.... relax, she will change, but let her do it in her own time. There's nothing wrong with being a 'tom boy' and it's not worth making them feel self-conscious about it by forcing the issue with pink bows & dresses. Now, a sophomore in high school, my daughter wears ALL the girl stuff.... hip hugger jeans, tight tops, the only " cammies " she wears now are camisole tops.... {{{{{{{sigh}}}}}}} and the cost of her clothing has gone WAY up since the " boys dept " shopping days! LT ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Wow! This makes me feel better! This does sound a lot like my daughter! I think she now just attaches herself to the " boy " version of anything. It's like an identity thing to her. I " m sure she'd love the camouflage thing, but I think that was in style a few years ago. I can't find any now. <sigh> Laurie jtlt@... wrote: Give it some time. This is another thing I can personally relate to. My dd didn't " become a girl " until, literally, the day before 8th grade started. Up until then, she wanted to be a male Marine. HAHA I'm TOTALLY serious!!!! My sweet baby girl owned a complete set of camouflage - she would play 'marines' with the neighborhood kids (mostly boys) and go on " missions " in the back yards... my husband gave her some camouflage face paint & she thought it was THE BEST present EVER. When our nephew joined the Marines & went to boot camp in South Carolina, we all went to his graduation and my dd actually wore her camouflage uniform to his ceremony! She absolutely idolized that boy. In 5th grade health class they passed out free deodorant - Secret for the girls & Old Spice for the boys.... THREE GUESSES which my daughter brought home!!!!! She also only wore her older brother's hand-me-downs. I could NEVER shop in the girls dept for her - only boys. Then, suddenly, as if someone clicked a light switch on..... it was a complete panic that we get out & shop for " girl " clothes the DAY BEFORE 8th grade started. That's about when we went broke with shopping expenses!!! HA!!!! I guess what I'm trying to say is.... relax, she will change, but let her do it in her own time. There's nothing wrong with being a 'tom boy' and it's not worth making them feel self-conscious about it by forcing the issue with pink bows & dresses. Now, a sophomore in high school, my daughter wears ALL the girl stuff.... hip hugger jeans, tight tops, the only " cammies " she wears now are camisole tops.... {{{{{{{sigh}}}}}}} and the cost of her clothing has gone WAY up since the " boys dept " shopping days! LT ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 > Hi Laurie, > > I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day. We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a long, hard journey, but I think we > have some peace for now! > > God bless, > Becky > > Hi Laurie, No. When she was homebound they supplied the books, but once she went on homeschool status we had to. I went with A Beka books. It is a good curriculum, I'm very pleased. Your district may be different,so I would ask them if they supply materials for you. God bless, Becky > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 > Hi Laurie, > > I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day. We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a long, hard journey, but I think we > have some peace for now! > > God bless, > Becky > > Hi Laurie, No. When she was homebound they supplied the books, but once she went on homeschool status we had to. I went with A Beka books. It is a good curriculum, I'm very pleased. Your district may be different,so I would ask them if they supply materials for you. God bless, Becky > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 > I'm homeschooling my 13 year old her core classes and she is > going to school for electives (computer, music, yearbook, etc.) The > school is working well with us. I understand what your mom is saying, > but the lasting damage that can be done by bullying is far worse then > any damage that would be done from not socializing. Besides, there > are many homeschooling groups and outside activities that she can be > a part of. My daughter is doing well. Her anxiety has lessened and > she finally seems happy. She actually enjoys going to school now. I > just realized that she couldn't be there all day. She was like a > square peg being forced to fit into a round hole. She's maturing and > she will get there someday, but for now, I feel this will help her to > succeed in the long run. I hope this has helped. > God bless, > Becky > > > --------------------------------- > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 > I'm homeschooling my 13 year old her core classes and she is > going to school for electives (computer, music, yearbook, etc.) The > school is working well with us. I understand what your mom is saying, > but the lasting damage that can be done by bullying is far worse then > any damage that would be done from not socializing. Besides, there > are many homeschooling groups and outside activities that she can be > a part of. My daughter is doing well. Her anxiety has lessened and > she finally seems happy. She actually enjoys going to school now. I > just realized that she couldn't be there all day. She was like a > square peg being forced to fit into a round hole. She's maturing and > she will get there someday, but for now, I feel this will help her to > succeed in the long run. I hope this has helped. > God bless, > Becky > > > --------------------------------- > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 That's interesting that they actually suggest homeschooling. I was afraid that my dd's school would freak out if I suggested such a thing. Maybe they will. I pay taxes no matter where she goes. Laurie mega_mommie <mega_mommie@...> wrote: My son has also been subjected to bullying and ridicule for his symptoms. It has been very hard for both of us. He is on homebound instruction for the moment(also in va beach), which is another way of saying he is homeschooled but the school assigns work and grades it. I wish we had better options. I do not feel the school has addressed the bullying at all. They suggest homeschooling often and try to minimize the problem. It is an impossible situation. The good news is my son is very outgoing and is still doing well in extra curricular (non school) social outlets, but he should be able to participate in school activities! mm --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 <I don't work outside the home. The heart stuff is so unpredictable > that I can't. I can't imagine they would let you go lay down whenever > you needed to on a job. If I could work, the extra income would sure > help though.> > > > Oh duh....I knew that! That's another reason I was thinking about home schooling. It is hard when I " m having my own health problems, to have to help with homework. Sometimes on the phone with my step- kids now. Now that dh is in town more, he can help his own kids. Their mom is a " sink or swim " mother. So she doesn't help them much. > > > > <When we are schooling, Josh schools for about 3-4 hours a day. He is > in 9th grade, so does more than he used to. Most of his friends who > go to public school put in 2-3 hours of homework once they get home.> > > Okay...3-4, or even 5 hours a day doesn't sound bad. We would just have to do extra on some days if I work a lot that week. > > <I provide the curriculum, write up the assignments, correct his > schoolwork and take him to activities. If he gets stuck (which is > seldom) we tackle it together. There are answer books and solutions > manuals, so it's not as hard as it would sound.> > > Do you use any particular curriculum? Or do you pick from a variety of things? From what I've heard you can buy whole curriculums, but I'm not sure I'd want to do that. > > > <There is a great site that gives you information on homeschool laws > concerning different states. It is hslda.com. > > > Thanks for the link! > > Laurie > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 This is great info! thanks! svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: home. The heart stuff is so unpredictable > that I can't. I can't imagine they would let you go lay down whenever > you needed to on a job. If I could work, the extra income would sure > help though.> > > > Oh duh....I knew that! That's another reason I was thinking about home schooling. It is hard when I " m having my own health problems, to have to help with homework. Sometimes on the phone with my step- kids now. Now that dh is in town more, he can help his own kids. Their mom is a " sink or swim " mother. So she doesn't help them much. > > > > > in 9th grade, so does more than he used to. Most of his friends who > go to public school put in 2-3 hours of homework once they get home.> > > Okay...3-4, or even 5 hours a day doesn't sound bad. We would just have to do extra on some days if I work a lot that week. > > > schoolwork and take him to activities. If he gets stuck (which is > seldom) we tackle it together. There are answer books and solutions > manuals, so it's not as hard as it would sound.> > > Do you use any particular curriculum? Or do you pick from a variety of things? From what I've heard you can buy whole curriculums, but I'm not sure I'd want to do that. > > > > concerning different states. It is hslda.com. > > > Thanks for the link! > > Laurie > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 You are welcome, ((((Laurie)))) BJ home. The heart stuff is so unpredictable > > that I can't. I can't imagine they would let you go lay down whenever > > you needed to on a job. If I could work, the extra income would sure > > help though.> > > > > > > Oh duh....I knew that! That's another reason I was thinking about > home schooling. It is hard when I " m having my own health problems, to > have to help with homework. Sometimes on the phone with my step- kids > now. Now that dh is in town more, he can help his own kids. Their > mom is a " sink or swim " mother. So she doesn't help them much. > > > > > > > > > in 9th grade, so does more than he used to. Most of his friends who > > go to public school put in 2-3 hours of homework once they get home.> > > > > Okay...3-4, or even 5 hours a day doesn't sound bad. We would > just have to do extra on some days if I work a lot that week. > > > > > schoolwork and take him to activities. If he gets stuck (which is > > seldom) we tackle it together. There are answer books and solutions > > manuals, so it's not as hard as it would sound.> > > > > Do you use any particular curriculum? Or do you pick from a > variety of things? From what I've heard you can buy whole > curriculums, but I'm not sure I'd want to do that. > > > > > > > concerning different states. It is hslda.com. > > > > > Thanks for the link! > > > > Laurie > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 thank you! This is great info! mega_mommie <mega_mommie@...> wrote: In doing my own OCD/parenting/treatment research, I found an interesting article many of you may be interested concerning bullying of children with OCD. Here is the link: http://www.psychiatry.ufl.edu/In%20The%20News/Gainesvillesun10_com.htm It is based on research into the topic by Storch, PhD. out of U. of Florida at Gainesville. Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: / . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Chris Castle, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Thanks Liz! Since this used to be a hot topic (doesn't come up as much today which is I hope a good sign) thought I'd share some archives but again hope nobody needs to read this!) Happy Thanksgiving!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Start of archives: Re: NEED HELP WITH MY DAUGHTERS RIGHTS " Physical Bullies Physical bullies are action-oriented. This type of bullying includes hitting or kicking the victim, or, taking or damaging the victim's property. This is the least sophisticated type of bullying because it is so easy to identify. Physical bullies are soon known to the entire population in the school. As they get older, their attacks usually become more aggressive. These aggressive characteristics manifest themselves as bullies become adults. " http://www.bullybeware.com/moreinfo.html " You and your son need some help! I am relieved to hear that you are not counseling him to fight back because that kind of action can lead to much more serious harm for your son. Please re-contact the school. You may want to consider showing them the email you sent. Your son deserves to feel safe at school, and it sounds as if he is being targeted. Set up a meeting with the teacher, counselor and administrator. Write out your concerns and what your son needs in order to feel safe and successful at school. Contact the school liaison officer (police officer) and ask for some assistance. Expect some help and support from the school, for both your son and yourselves. If you are unsatisfied with the results of your meeting, contact the district superintendent or assistant superintendent. It is also a good idea to keep a written record of all phone conversations and meetings that you attend. Act right away. Your son needs you to advocate on his behalf. Good luck. Cindi Seddon " http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2001/10/bullyingexpert.html Hi ! I appreciate both the bully and the victims need help, but as the mother (and 's grandma) of one of the victims who has been both attacked and threatened, I'm sure your primary concern is the safety of your precious child. Your fear and frustration come through in your reaching out here to seek help for your daughter to protect her from this aggressive child in her school. I hope this email will provide you with information that may help you to best help protect your daughter. I'm shocked to be honest in today's day and age of zero tolerance that the principal doesn't know how to handle this boy who attacks and threatens others. Where I now live in Florida -my babysitter was arrested for protecting herself against a bully. Of course all charges were dropped because she is a straight A student and a good kid with no history and others saw she was just protecting herself - but point being the police were called in to arrest those that are in fights here. Even just for self defense. Arrested! You say the professionals in the school are actually afraid of this child? Just how old is he? My friend Ann DeJury is a teacher in elementary school and years ago after giving a student detention one day, he came back the next day with a gun and pointed it at her. Amazingly Ann's first reaction was not fear, she told me her first reaction was anger. She yelled firmly at this child " You put that gun down this INSTANT young man! " and he did. It was BTW a real gun, and they believe her way of handling it was the best possible way. I'd hate to know if someone researched that to know for sure however. Ann said she thought the gun was a toy and didn't stop to think of it being anything but. (and yes she's a mother of three) So believe me I appreciate there could be fear of students. Here is a recent article on this http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2004/04/01ky/A1-strike0401-13506.html My advice to you is learn all you can about zero tolerance. Find information you find relevant to your grandson's situation and your fear for his safety, and send it with a letter, return receipt requested, to the school principal. Essentially just write in the letter all you wrote here -and perhaps include some of the quotes from some of the resources I will provide below...and... the most important part of the letter is at the bottom -put the letters " cc " Of course the cc is to all the local newspapers, TV news stations, town and state officials, and perhaps, why not, the US Department of Education. The following quote is from a website that has much information on bullying. " The United Nations Charter of Rights for Children states, in part, that: every child has the right to an education and; every child has the right to be safe " http://www.bullybeware.com/moreinfo.html How to deal with Bullying http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2001/10/bullyingexpert.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start of archive There is other information about bullying below too that may help - there is much more in the archives here since unfortunately this isn't the first time this has come up. Also this is covered in The Late Talker book Some of the links from the two archived messages below you may need to cut and paste: From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Mon Sep 9, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: Re: PLEASE please help -Hi Ann Marie! I have more serious links and info below -however, since your child is 17 -here is something that MTV is doing that may be of interest. I used to work on the same floor (the old Honeymooner's Central Park West floor) with Fred and Allan -the guys that originally started MTV and some others from there " I want my MTV " -some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet! This open call request has been listed at a few sites now including bullying.org: (If you go to MTV- tell I said Hi!! My name then was Fernandez http://www.awn.com/mag/issue2.10/2.10pages/2.10mtv.html ) The suggested books below (the MTV stuff) look like they would be good for all of us to look through for our kids. WANT TO REINVENT YOURSELF? MTV CAN HELP YOU GET 'MADE' If you're a U.S. high school student and are regularly picked on by bullies, you could be the subject of a new MTV series called 'Made'! Never had the time, resources, courage, or confidence to learn how to walk tall and not be scared? We'll give you the training you need to defend yourself, walk with confidence, and face down bullies. EMAIL YOUR STORY to made@.... TELL US WHAT YOUR GOAL IS? WHY DO YOU THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT? WHY DO YOU NEED US TO HELP YOU REINVENT YOURSELF? WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL? Be sure to include your name, age, location and contact information including phone number, address and email. #7 - MTV CASTS NEW SERIES THAT MAKES DREAMS COME TRUE MTV is casting for a new television series, Made. In the series, young people between the ages of 16 and 25 will divulge their dreams of what they want to become, and a team of experts will help make those dreams come true. They could become the ultimate football hero, the game-winning scorer, the star of a play or anything else they can dream because they will receive all the coaching, makeovers, teaching, training, mentoring and anything they need to become their fantasies. Young people interested in participating in Made should mail their stories to made@... and include what they want to be " made " into in the subject line. Or, they should send standard VHS or mini DV videotapes as soon as possible but no later than August 12, 2002, to MADE, c/o MTV Networks, 1633 Broadway, 32nd Floor, New York, NY 10019, Attn: Day. In either case, potential cast members should include their name, age, year in school (if applicable), location, phone number, home address, and e-mail address. Those interested in appearing in Made should tell their stories of what they want to be " made " into, what goals they have, and why they need MTV's help to achieve their goals. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Books Verbal Abuse: Healing the Hidden Wound " Whether the abuser is your mother, your father, your boss, your husband, your child's teacher, or your friend -- this book will help you recover your self-esteem " Dr. Grace Ketterman is the Medical Director of the Crittenton Center in Kansas City, Missouri, and author of several books Time to Tell 'Em Off! A Pocket Guide to Overcoming Peer Ridicule Author: Deanna If you're a kid or teen being ridiculed/bullied, here's sympathy and advice from someone who survived the same torture. Reading level: about 5th through 12th grade ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A few websites that talk about the social aversion/low self esteem link you asked for: Emotional Abuse Verbal abuse, causing serious emotional damage, as exhibited by sever anxiety, depression, withdrawal or aggressive behavior. http://parentingplace.wilmington.org/ The consequences of emotional and verbal abuse can be as damaging as physical abuse, though much harder to recognize, and therefore more difficult to recover from. Emotional and verbal abuse may cause long term self esteem issues. ... Emotional and verbal abuse may happen for months and years before any damage is evident. By the time the injury is noticed, the person may already be having significant difficulty coping with life. Emotional and verbal abuse ultimately affects a persons development and sense of self-worth. http://www.m-a-h.net/library/article-abuse-verbal.htm CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT Understanding Abuse Abusers of children can be parents, siblings,friends, relatives, or adults who work with children. People who abuse children come from all economic levels and backgrounds. Often they may have unrealistic expectations of children and may not understand normal child development.Special- needs children are especially vulnerable since they place extra demands on parents and caregivers http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PM1478X2.pdf What can I do to prevent someone else from verbally abusing my child or another child? Always be aware of other influences on your child. Just because you have your temper under control doesn't mean that all the other adults in your child's life do. Teachers, coaches, babysitters, siblings, older siblings of friends, and even other children's parents can harm your child by demeaning or humiliating him. Make a point of asking your child about his relationships with other adults. Of course, he might not tell you if someone is verbally abusing him - he might not even realize it. So you'll want to be on the lookout for signs of emotional turmoil: Nightmares, bed-wetting, school phobia, and other signs of excessive anxiety may be part of the " code " you'll have to crack in order to figure out what's troubling your child. If you feel that another adult is abusing your child or his or her own child, you can call the National Child Abuse Hot Line at (800) 422-4453, for advice. If you're certain of the problem, contact your local Child Protective Services (CPS) agency to report it. CPS professionals will evaluate the report, and if they deem it necessary, they will send someone out to talk with the alleged abuser. CPS will keep your report confidential, although you can make an anonymous report if you prefer. (But keep in mind that bogus anonymous reports are, unfortunately, quite common.) Sometimes a family counselor or psychologist can assess your child for signs of verbal abuse. If you think the abuse is occurring at school, be sure to take your child to be evaluated by someone independent of the school. Oftentimes your family doctor or pediatrician can help you with a referral. Do whatever is necessary to get your child away from the abuser -- if a P.E. coach is taunting him, for example, ask that he be placed in a different class. And be sure to make your concerns known to the principal, director, league officials, and so on. http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/verbalabuse;$sessionid$G3APSEYAAD3GUCTYAIRTEMQ#6 Children who are emotionally abused may experience speech disorders, lags in physical development, failure to thrive (especially in infants), asthma, severe allergies, ulcers, substance abuse, or hyperactive/disruptive behavior. http://www.webedelic.com/church/abusef.htm .... " Verbal abuse is one of the most common types of child abuse and can easily be unrecognized but inflict much damage to a child's self- esteem. Verbal abusers use words motivated by angry, hostile, or resentful feelings. The term verbal abuse may include, but is not limited to, the following: scape goating, put-downs, extreme inconsistency, humiliation, labelling, and unrealistic expectations. " .... " When a child is frequently called stupid or dumb, he tends to accept this negative identity and believe himself as described. Examination of the children's symptoms and the behaviors of the teacher shows that verbal abuse was one of the most characteristic behaviors of Mr. X and led to dramatic lowering of self-esteem in 13 and 17 children. What proved to be alarming to many of the parents was how quickly their children " adapted " to this teacher's negative perceptions, accepting the labelling to " fit in " with the classroom environment. " http://www.walkfortalk.org/Report/comment.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Some signs of emotional or verbal abuse: Signs of abuse: avoids physical contact with others; wears concealing clothes (long sleeves, high collars) to hide injuries; is hard to get along with, is demanding and disobedient; frequently damages things and causes trouble or interferes with others; is unusually shy, avoids other people, including children; or, is overly anxious to please, and seems ready to let others say or do things without protest. http://www.safechild.net/for_parents/abuse.html Signs of Emotional Abuse: Not all child abuse is physical. Emotional abuse is one of the most common and harmful forms of child abuse. Making fun of a child, name calling, always finding fault, and showing no respect can damage a child's self-esteem. The child ... may find it hard to make friends. may avoid doing things with other children and being places where he's expected to be loving. may tend to be pushy and hostile. might have a hard time learning, be overly active, or have problems such as bed-wetting or soiling. might act falsely grown up, having to care for adults or others far beyond what should be expected for the child's age. When emotional abuse occurs often and over a long period of time, it can have a lifelong impact. It can affect a child's happiness, relationships and success. The child ... may become gloomy and depressed, unable to enjoy himself. He might do things that work against himself. could become self-destructive, injuring herself, or even attempting suicide. As with other types of abuse, parents who were emotionally abused are most likely to emotionally abuse their own children. To stop abusing, they need to become aware of how they are treating their children. Often they do not know how damaging their behavior is. If they knew what they were doing and knew how much it hurt their child, they would probably want to stop it. Visiting a pediatrician or other physician or a member of the clergy is a good way to start looking for help. He or she might refer you to a mental health expert. Also, many community agencies and churches offer parenting classes that can help you talk to your child and begin to solve your problems. Signals child rocks, sucks, bites self inappropriately aggressive, destructive to others suffers from sleep, speech disorders restricts play activities or experiences demonstrates compulsions, obsessions, phobias, hysterical outbursts http://www.survivors.org.au/what.htm Cognitive • Speech may be absent, delayed, or hard to understand. The preschooler whose receptive language far exceeds expressive language may have speech delays. Some children do not talk, even though they are able. • The child may have poor articulation and pronunciation, incomplete formation of sentences, incorrect use of words. • Cognitive skills may be at a level of a younger child. • The child may have an unusually short attention span, a lack of interest in objects, and an inability to concentrate. Social • The child may demonstrate insecure or absent attachment; attachments may be indiscriminate, superficial, or clingy. Child may show little distress, or may overreact, when separated from caregivers. • The child may appear emotionally detached, isolated, and withdrawn from both adults and peers. http://www.nysccc.org/Conferences/Conf2001/effectsabuse.htm Signs of Possible Emotional Abuse: Speech disorders Delayed physica1 or emotional development Ulcers, asthma, severe allergies Habit disorders, sucking fingers, rocking Unduly passive and undemanding Very low self-esteem Extremely demanding, aggressive and angry Antisocial, destructive, depressed and or suicidal attention seeking delinquent behavior, especially in adolescents http://www.grandfatherhome.org/abuse.htm From: " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 , A child has to feel Safe in a School. If the Principal or Teacher does not show this. The child feels he is not safe to get a Education. Bullying has been a point to many issues which have been seen Nation wide. If the School District became more involved by taking bullying serious it could be stopped when it get's started. If Parents would stand up at PTA meetings as well as speaking up about which child is making all the trouble maybe something could be done. How a child acts is what he or she sees in their enviroment. A child has to be taught right from wrong. Taught respect to others. If a child is being miss treated at home then this will reflect away from home. A Bully will pick on the weakest of the class. If the weakest will take a stand then the rest will follow. was the smallest in every grade and was the one whom the bully would try to get. lolol. would tell me but later she would take that stand and let the bully know she may be different in many ways but she is still a Human. Once she stood up many would look to her and always stood up for the under dog so to say. The way we dealt with a lot of the childish issues kid's pulled was...... By telling so what if your short you can do what others can do. So what if your in a wheelchair you can still do most of what the others can do. So what if your wearing glasses you can see better with them. While the bully was making fun of her was getting her Education. I made it CLEAR to my kid's they did not go to School to cause a problem but I send them to school to get a Education. I did not send them to School to be like other's but to be their own person. School is a fun experience if measures are taken the right way. My kid's never seen anyone who was different but seen all as humans. Kid's should be taught early in life about issues. Do not judge me by my Diasbility but Judge me by my Ability. Some of those bully's who had issues with finally became 's friend. Even though they said if you do not do this or that for me I will not be your friend. Oh when told me this ummmm.... I said well do not cry over it sweetie as a Friend can be bought a dime a dozen but a TRUE friend stays with you for life. Those bullys seen just because was short and wore glasses and was on crutches off and on and in a wheelchair at times. ummmmm could play Baseball great and she could hook a basket ball anytime she wanted too. PLUS was a Straight A Student who helped others learn. These kid's seen past the outside of . When she needed help at school she never had to ask but once and her real friends would be right there. It is Patients which get's us through difficult times. was her own person and she did not need to be bullied to make good friends. When the bully would say something about 's shortness she would have ATTITUDE with her voice and say so what I am short have you seen my Mom? My Mom does what she wants and nothing stops her. If she can not reach something she climbs to get it lololol. Now this was funny as said Ma can you come to School today so someone see you climb to get something? Sometimes it is awful Our kid's have to be in this situation but sometimes it does help them to make better choices in life. Robbin **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Bullying is still in my thoughts to this day....bullied all those yeas in school and into adulthood..still have many fears of people and haven't any trust in anyone. Anger and violence has always frightened me..It's horrible what bullying does to a person..I'm overly sensitive,shy and nervous and hate it when people can't get along can't stand to see anything hurting be it a critter or a person..Of course people think I'm very strange..Guess I am... Think I'm a lost cause! Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Dear Geri, I don't think your a lost cause. I spent many years being bullied and after dying once I was determined not to live that way anymore it was hard and took time but I got better, people who know me now can't believe I was ever shy and backwards. I just wanted you to know u r not alone heres my email sithifolk@... Take care and hang in there your truly Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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