RE: NFL and College programs using HIT

[Guest guest]

If HIT was truly the most effective program out there, then why do college

players preparing for the combine/draft, an event that can make or break their

career, and mean the difference between a 300,000 dollar a year contract and a

3,000,000 dollar a year contract go to combine prep schools that do not teach

HIT?

Garrison, CSCS*D

Mesa, AZ

Mesa Community College

To: Supertraining@...: deadliftdiva@...: Thu, 10 Jan

2008 19:29:16 +0000Subject: NFL and College programs using HIT

Well, and people from certain pro teams in Denver used to sneak off to Mel's

house to get better training too...<grin>. You'd be surprised how many people

are NOT following what their coaches give them for strength programs or training

protocols, after all, their careers depend on this! I met some of those athletes

and I can say that Mel worked them very hard and trained them for strength! The

official " story " from a team may not truly cover what the athletes are doing.

The coach on the field is more interested in performance rather than compliance

with an official story lol...and if they're really getting success from

something, it's more likely they'd NOT put out a story for the media....any true

edge is under the cover!The Phantomaka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing

powerlifterDenver, Colorado,

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[Guest guest]

, You are absolutely correct. The unofficial story from a team does not

cover what is really being done. At the high school level strength training or

any type of training--agility for instance--- does not usually come from a

strength coach, but a head coach who is supposed to wear many hats. Lifting

against computer programs or training OL and RB the same is the recipe of the

day.

Even at the pro level questions arise. I know for a fact that players go

elsewhere on a regular basis to get what they know they need.

Mark Cotton

East Brunswick, NJ

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deadliftdiva@... wrote:

Well, and people from certain pro teams in Denver used to sneak off to

Mel's house to get better training too...<grin>. You'd be surprised how many

people are NOT following what their coaches give them for strength programs or

training protocols, after all, their careers depend on this! I met some of those

athletes and I can say that Mel worked them very hard and trained them for

strength!

The official " story " from a team may not truly cover what the athletes are

doing. The coach on the field is more interested in performance rather than

compliance with an official story lol...and if they're really getting success

from something, it's more likely they'd NOT put out a story for the media....any

true edge is under the cover!

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

-------------- Original message --------------

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A second thought on the HIT comment towards athletics... Why is it

that over a dozen NFL teams and D1 college programs are still using

it provided it is such a fallacy as described in this forum?

***************************

The fact that some NFL teams and D1 programs use HIT is not evidence

that single sets are just as effective as multiple sets. In fact,

the number of teams using any type of training system is irrelevant.

A training program's popularity is not, by itself, evidence of its

effectiveness. To claim otherwise is to commit the argumentum ad

populum (appeal to popularity) fallacy.

Krieger, M.S., M.S.

Research Associate

20/20 Lifestyles

http://www.2020lifestyles.com

Bellevue, WA

Editor, Journal of Pure Power

http://www.jopp.us

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[Guest guest]

Our head football coach is a former NFL player and he said that on each

of the 4 teams he played for, there was a S & C coach, but it was the

responsibility of the players to do what they wanted - when they wanted.

Mark Ward

Central Kitsap High School

Silverdale, WA

USA

________________________________

From: Supertraining

[mailto:Supertraining ] On Behalf Of Mark Cotton

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:00 PM

To: Supertraining

Subject: Re: NFL and College programs using HIT

, You are absolutely correct. The unofficial story from a team does

not cover what is really being done. At the high school level strength

training or any type of training--agility for instance--- does not

usually come from a strength coach, but a head coach who is supposed to

wear many hats. Lifting against computer programs or training OL and RB

the same is the recipe of the day.

Even at the pro level questions arise. I know for a fact that players go

elsewhere on a regular basis to get what they know they need.

Mark Cotton

East Brunswick, NJ

=======================

deadliftdiva@... <mailto:deadliftdiva%40comcast.net> wrote:

Well, and people from certain pro teams in Denver used to sneak off to

Mel's house to get better training too...<grin>. You'd be surprised how

many people are NOT following what their coaches give them for strength

programs or training protocols, after all, their careers depend on this!

I met some of those athletes and I can say that Mel worked them very

hard and trained them for strength!

The official " story " from a team may not truly cover what the athletes

are doing. The coach on the field is more interested in performance

rather than compliance with an official story lol...and if they're

really getting success from something, it's more likely they'd NOT put

out a story for the media....any true edge is under the cover!

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " shredaholic " <Yngvai@... <mailto:Yngvai%40comcast.net> >

***************************

A second thought on the HIT comment towards athletics... Why is it

that over a dozen NFL teams and D1 college programs are still using

it provided it is such a fallacy as described in this forum?

***************************

The fact that some NFL teams and D1 programs use HIT is not evidence

that single sets are just as effective as multiple sets. In fact,

the number of teams using any type of training system is irrelevant.

A training program's popularity is not, by itself, evidence of its

effectiveness. To claim otherwise is to commit the argumentum ad

populum (appeal to popularity) fallacy.

Krieger, M.S., M.S.

Research Associate

20/20 Lifestyles

http://www.2020lifestyles.com <http://www.2020lifestyles.com>

Bellevue, WA

Editor, Journal of Pure Power

http://www.jopp.us <http://www.jopp.us>

============================

[Guest guest]

Just to clarify---I was referring to no strength coach at the high school level.

Not college or Pro.

Mark Cotton

East Brunswick, NJ

" Ward, Mark - CKHS " wrote:

Our head football coach is a former NFL player and he said that on

each

of the 4 teams he played for, there was a S & C coach, but it was the

responsibility of the players to do what they wanted - when they wanted.

Mark Ward

Central Kitsap High School

Silverdale, WA

USA

________________________________

From: Supertraining

[mailto:Supertraining ] On Behalf Of Mark Cotton

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:00 PM

To: Supertraining

Subject: Re: NFL and College programs using HIT

, You are absolutely correct. The unofficial story from a team does

not cover what is really being done. At the high school level strength

training or any type of training--agility for instance--- does not

usually come from a strength coach, but a head coach who is supposed to

wear many hats. Lifting against computer programs or training OL and RB

the same is the recipe of the day.

Even at the pro level questions arise. I know for a fact that players go

elsewhere on a regular basis to get what they know they need.

Mark Cotton

East Brunswick, NJ

=======================

deadliftdiva@... <mailto:deadliftdiva%40comcast.net> wrote:

Well, and people from certain pro teams in Denver used to sneak off to

Mel's house to get better training too...<grin>. You'd be surprised how

many people are NOT following what their coaches give them for strength

programs or training protocols, after all, their careers depend on this!

I met some of those athletes and I can say that Mel worked them very

hard and trained them for strength!

The official " story " from a team may not truly cover what the athletes

are doing. The coach on the field is more interested in performance

rather than compliance with an official story lol...and if they're

really getting success from something, it's more likely they'd NOT put

out a story for the media....any true edge is under the cover!

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " shredaholic " <Yngvai@... <mailto:Yngvai%40comcast.net> >

***************************

A second thought on the HIT comment towards athletics... Why is it

that over a dozen NFL teams and D1 college programs are still using

it provided it is such a fallacy as described in this forum?

***************************

The fact that some NFL teams and D1 programs use HIT is not evidence

that single sets are just as effective as multiple sets. In fact,

the number of teams using any type of training system is irrelevant.

A training program's popularity is not, by itself, evidence of its

effectiveness. To claim otherwise is to commit the argumentum ad

populum (appeal to popularity) fallacy.

Krieger, M.S., M.S.

Research Associate

20/20 Lifestyles

http://www.2020lifestyles.com <http://www.2020lifestyles.com>

Bellevue, WA

Editor, Journal of Pure Power

http://www.jopp.us <http://www.jopp.us>

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