RE: more atkins press: question

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Katja-

>what is the truth about this? is he saying that you need grain to be

>healthy? or merely that you need veggies? (unless of course you're an

>eskimo...) or that making an abrupt change is dangerous? and is he on crack?

Don't worry, he's on crack. <g>

The anti-low-carb contingent likes to conflate ketosis with ketoacidosis,

but they're very different things. Here's an explanation courtesy of

http://www.lowcarb.ca/tips/tips011.html

>>But, isn't ketosis dangerous?

>>

>>Being in ketosis by following a low carbohydrate diet is NOT dangerous.

>>The human body was designed to use ketones very efficiently as fuel in

>>the absence of glucose. However, the word ketosis is often confused with

>>a similar word, ketoacidosis.

>>

>>Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, and the main element

>>is ACID not ketones. The blood pH becomes dangerously acidic because of

>>an extremely high blood SUGAR level (the diabetic has no insulin, or

>>doesn't respond to insulin .... so blood sugar rises ... ketones are

>>produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for life, since the

>>cells can't use the sugar). It's the high blood sugar, and the acid

>>condition that is so dangerous. Ketones just happen to be a part of the

>>picture, and are a RESULT of the condition, not the CAUSE. Diabetics can

>>safely follow a ketogenic diet to lose fat weight ... but they must be

>>closely monitored by their health care provider, and blood sugars need to

>>be kept low, and stable.

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[Guest guest]

Not only is that author on crack he's probably got both hands deep in drug

company pockets.

Here's a good article from the Weston A. Price site.

http://www.westonaprice.org/nutrition_guidelines/macronutrientland.html

Judith Alta

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From: Idol [mailto:Idol@...]

Katja-

>what is the truth about this? is he saying that you need grain to be

>healthy? or merely that you need veggies? (unless of course you're an

>eskimo...) or that making an abrupt change is dangerous? and is he on

crack?

Don't worry, he's on crack. <g>

The anti-low-carb contingent likes to conflate ketosis with ketoacidosis,

but they're very different things. Here's an explanation courtesy of

http://www.lowcarb.ca/tips/tips011.html

>>But, isn't ketosis dangerous?

>>

>>Being in ketosis by following a low carbohydrate diet is NOT dangerous.

>>The human body was designed to use ketones very efficiently as fuel in

>>the absence of glucose. However, the word ketosis is often confused with

>>a similar word, ketoacidosis.

>>

>>Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, and the main element

>>is ACID not ketones. The blood pH becomes dangerously acidic because of

>>an extremely high blood SUGAR level (the diabetic has no insulin, or

>>doesn't respond to insulin .... so blood sugar rises ... ketones are

>>produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for life, since the

>>cells can't use the sugar). It's the high blood sugar, and the acid

>>condition that is so dangerous. Ketones just happen to be a part of the

>>picture, and are a RESULT of the condition, not the CAUSE. Diabetics can

>>safely follow a ketogenic diet to lose fat weight ... but they must be

>>closely monitored by their health care provider, and blood sugars need to

>>be kept low, and stable.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/23/04 6:56:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jaltak@... writes:

> Not only is that author on crack he's probably got both hands deep in drug

> company pockets.

His dealer sure has a good PR machine if he's got people referring to him as

a " drug company " <g>

Chris

[Guest guest]

ok, good. thanks, guys!

i was reading that and thinking it was wildly bogus, but i don't completely

understand ketosis and acidosis yet, so i wanted to be sure about that

part. thanks for the links too!

At 03:49 PM 1/23/2004, you wrote:

>Not only is that author on crack he's probably got both hands deep in drug

>company pockets.

>

>Here's a good article from the Weston A. Price site.

>

>http://www.westonaprice.org/nutrition_guidelines/macronutrientland.html

>

>Judith Alta

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Idol [mailto:Idol@...]

>

>Katja-

>

> >what is the truth about this? is he saying that you need grain to be

> >healthy? or merely that you need veggies? (unless of course you're an

> >eskimo...) or that making an abrupt change is dangerous? and is he on

>crack?

>

>Don't worry, he's on crack. <g>

>

>The anti-low-carb contingent likes to conflate ketosis with ketoacidosis,

>but they're very different things. Here's an explanation courtesy of

>http://www.lowcarb.ca/tips/tips011.html

>

> >>But, isn't ketosis dangerous?

> >>

> >>Being in ketosis by following a low carbohydrate diet is NOT dangerous.

> >>The human body was designed to use ketones very efficiently as fuel in

> >>the absence of glucose. However, the word ketosis is often confused with

> >>a similar word, ketoacidosis.

> >>

> >>Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, and the main element

> >>is ACID not ketones. The blood pH becomes dangerously acidic because of

> >>an extremely high blood SUGAR level (the diabetic has no insulin, or

> >>doesn't respond to insulin .... so blood sugar rises ... ketones are

> >>produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for life, since the

> >>cells can't use the sugar). It's the high blood sugar, and the acid

> >>condition that is so dangerous. Ketones just happen to be a part of the

> >>picture, and are a RESULT of the condition, not the CAUSE. Diabetics can

> >>safely follow a ketogenic diet to lose fat weight ... but they must be

> >>closely monitored by their health care provider, and blood sugars need to

> >>be kept low, and stable.

>

>-

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The author is confusing ketosis which is a physiologic metabolic state with

ketoacidosis which is a condition that goes with diabetes, usually type I.

I could try and explain them as I understand them but I would probably say

something not exactly right so instead I'll suggest doing a search on the

web and reading for yourself.

The author is saying that if you do not eat carbohydrates, you can develop

this very serious condition. This is a common argument waged by critics of

Atkins and low carb diets. It reflects that such critics really do not know

what they are talking about.

more atkins press: question

this excerpt came from a larger article in the alt.medicine.forum, and i

have a question about it:

High-protein, very-low-carbohydrate weight-loss diets are designed

to induce ketosis, a state that also occurs in uncontrolled diabetes

mellitus and starvation. When carbohydrate intake or utilization is

insufficient to provide glucose to the cells that rely on it as an

energy source, ketone bodies are formed from fatty acids. An

increase in circulating ketones can disturb the body's acid-base

balance, causing metabolic acidosis. Even mild acidosis can have

potentially deleterious consequences over the long run, including

hypophosphatemia, resorption of calcium from bone, increased risk of

osteoporosis, and an increased propensity to form kidney stones.6

what is the truth about this? is he saying that you need grain to be

healthy? or merely that you need veggies? (unless of course you're an

eskimo...) or that making an abrupt change is dangerous? and is he on

crack?

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