Re: Low Carb Diets are being sued!

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In a message dated 1/22/04 11:58:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jaltak@... writes:

> If what the books say about oranges and juice are true, and I've no doubt

> that they are then the OJ companies have not a leg to stand on. Just hope

> the courts see it that way.

Judith,

And what if it weren't true? Who cares? I don't understand how these

companies think they have some sort of entitlement to people buying their

product,

as if other folks can't speak freely and persuade others to buy or not buy it.

This is like when Oprah said " Oh God I'm never going to eat a hamburger

again. " and the beef industry sued her.

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/22/04 2:11:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jaltak@... writes:

> Why shouldn't a company have protection against false claims?

Given the multiplicity of theories about diet an health, how could you

possibly make an objective assessment of whether the claims are false or not?

Now if there is undeniable matter of fact that involves no subjective

evaluation whatever, perhaps there's a case. But, for an example, there are

some

theories floating around about how the government engineered 9/11. Should the

government be able to sue these people for false claims?

Chris

[Guest guest]

Why shouldn't a company have protection against false claims?

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

In a message dated 1/22/04 11:58:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jaltak@... writes:

> If what the books say about oranges and juice are true, and I've no doubt

> that they are then the OJ companies have not a leg to stand on. Just hope

> the courts see it that way.

Judith,

And what if it weren't true? Who cares? I don't understand how these

companies think they have some sort of entitlement to people buying their

product,

as if other folks can't speak freely and persuade others to buy or not buy

it.

This is like when Oprah said " Oh God I'm never going to eat a hamburger

again. " and the beef industry sued her.

Chris

[Guest guest]

I think if the company name was used, they should have protection, but if

someone is just making a broad comment about a particular company, that is

their opinion. Freedom of the press.

take care

Michele

>From: " Judith Alta " <jaltak@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Low Carb Diets are being sued!

>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:34:09 -0500

>

>Why shouldn't a company have protection against false claims?

>

>Judith Alta

>

>-----Original Message-----

>

>In a message dated 1/22/04 11:58:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>jaltak@... writes:

>

> > If what the books say about oranges and juice are true, and I've no

>doubt

> > that they are then the OJ companies have not a leg to stand on. Just

>hope

> > the courts see it that way.

>

>Judith,

>

>And what if it weren't true? Who cares? I don't understand how these

>companies think they have some sort of entitlement to people buying their

>product,

>as if other folks can't speak freely and persuade others to buy or not buy

>it.

>

>This is like when Oprah said " Oh God I'm never going to eat a hamburger

>again. " and the beef industry sued her.

>

>Chris

>

>

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I can agree with that.

I think this is the organization behind the companies that's causing the

problems.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: the scorpio [mailto:rawbabymama@...]

I think if the company name was used, they should have protection, but if

someone is just making a broad comment about a particular company, that is

their opinion. Freedom of the press.

take care

Michele

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Judith Alta " <jaltak@v...>

wrote:

> Why shouldn't a company have protection against false claims?

>

> Judith Alta

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well, sure, against false claims specific to the company, but not

about public domain substances like oranges or fructose... and i

can hardly believe they will come up with false claims made against

orange juice! what a joke! it's the same story with these wheat

people whining about low-carb hurting their income. like chris said,

as if they have an entitlement... some of the scientists/executives

in large food corps who consciously make a decision to promote

substances they know to be unhealthy are the vilest criminals in my

book, no better than rapists or serial killers...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

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And I will second that one, wholeheartedly.

I've said for years that the low-fat high junk politically correct diet is

nothing short of premeditated murder. With malice aforethought.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Anton [mailto:bwp@...]

well, sure, against false claims specific to the company, but not

about public domain substances like oranges or fructose... and i

can hardly believe they will come up with false claims made against

orange juice! what a joke! it's the same story with these wheat

people whining about low-carb hurting their income. like chris said,

as if they have an entitlement... some of the scientists/executives

in large food corps who consciously make a decision to promote

substances they know to be unhealthy are the vilest criminals in my

book, no better than rapists or serial killers...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

Judith,

Is interesting, if you include Metabolic Typing Diet in. If you're an acidic

protein type, need low carb, high protein/ fat, have a fast " digestive "

metabolism, the three beverages that speed up the digestion most, cause more

acid in the type and should be avoided are alcohol, coffee and orange juice

most of all juices, others are not advised. It's fine for more alkaline

mixed and carb type slower metabolisms. MTD says these types are around 75%

of population so all isn't lost for oj producers. More and more people are

going to try different diets as the SAD, overprocessed diet stops working.

Citrus other than an orange has always given me heartburn. With the bicarb

soda test thread there was discussion of what makes people have stomach

acid. Apple cider vinegar which gives some acid is a cure for me for citrus

or any other food causing stomach acid.

> The Florida orange juice people are up in arms about low carb diets

> recommending no orange juice. The South Beach diet is under fire because

of

> this.

>

> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040121/D807GDIG0.html

>

> If what the books say about oranges and juice are true, and I've no doubt

> that they are then the OJ companies have not a leg to stand on. Just hope

> the courts see it that way.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

If the powers that be try to stop the low-carb diets they will have one big

fight on their hands. People have had a good taste of low carb and it feels

good! A whole lot better than the recommended diet that cures few or none

and kills many.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Wanita Sears [mailto:wanitawa@...]

Judith,

Is interesting, if you include Metabolic Typing Diet in. If you're an acidic

protein type, need low carb, high protein/ fat, have a fast " digestive "

metabolism, the three beverages that speed up the digestion most, cause more

acid in the type and should be avoided are alcohol, coffee and orange juice

most of all juices, others are not advised. It's fine for more alkaline

mixed and carb type slower metabolisms. MTD says these types are around 75%

of population so all isn't lost for oj producers. More and more people are

going to try different diets as the SAD, overprocessed diet stops working.

Citrus other than an orange has always given me heartburn. With the bicarb

soda test thread there was discussion of what makes people have stomach

acid. Apple cider vinegar which gives some acid is a cure for me for citrus

or any other food causing stomach acid.

> The Florida orange juice people are up in arms about low carb diets

> recommending no orange juice. The South Beach diet is under fire because

of

> this.

>

> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040121/D807GDIG0.html

>

> If what the books say about oranges and juice are true, and I've no doubt

> that they are then the OJ companies have not a leg to stand on. Just hope

> the courts see it that way.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

Mike,

And their biggest market is just about anybody's perceived viliest criminal,

those that get social services. When you look at everything thats produced,

everything that harms thats produced and how many are harmed, food is right

there at the top along with air polluters. Every living thing has to eat and

breathe, no way around it.

> some of the scientists/executives

> in large food corps who consciously make a decision to promote

> substances they know to be unhealthy are the vilest criminals in my

> book, no better than rapists or serial killers...

Wanita

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/22/04 9:31:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> There's a difference between saying " I'm not going to consume any more of

> product X " and saying " Product X is harmful " . The former is a personal

> decision, the latter is an analysis which can be either true or false. If

> it's false, it could be libelous and tortious, and should not be allowed.

I disagree. I think the distinction should be made between libel against a

company's practice per se, and estimations of products. For example, saying

" Company X does not sell chicken, but rather sells genetically engineered

pseudo-chickens with no wings or feet that receive nutrition by means of IV "

should

be distinguished from an opinion about chicken per se, such as " Chicken is bad

for you because it is high in pufa, or chicken is bad for you because it is

high in protein, etc, etc "

Since people are widely individual in their reactions to food, and since any

one factor's effect depends on a plethora of other factors, by your libel

standard we would have to punish nearly every author of every diet book ever

published.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Maybe nutritional litigation will be the specializing of the future. Geesh,

with all the paralegals and contacts lawfirms have you'd think that

eventually someone might be open minded enough to start looking into non

mainstream nutritional science to help to maybe get these cases won.

Diabetes and obesity rates alone say something isn't right. Don't want to go

there if there's a drug you can buy to fix it.

Wanita

> If the powers that be try to stop the low-carb diets they will have one

big

> fight on their hands. People have had a good taste of low carb and it

feels

> good! A whole lot better than the recommended diet that cures few or none

> and kills many.

>

> Judith Alta

> Judith,

>

> Is interesting, if you include Metabolic Typing Diet in. If you're an

acidic

> protein type, need low carb, high protein/ fat, have a fast " digestive "

> metabolism, the three beverages that speed up the digestion most, cause

more

> acid in the type and should be avoided are alcohol, coffee and orange

juice

> most of all juices, others are not advised. It's fine for more alkaline

> mixed and carb type slower metabolisms.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

Chris-

>And what if it weren't true? Who cares? I don't understand how these

>companies think they have some sort of entitlement to people buying their

>product,

>as if other folks can't speak freely and persuade others to buy or not buy it.

>

>This is like when Oprah said " Oh God I'm never going to eat a hamburger

>again. " and the beef industry sued her.

There's a difference between saying " I'm not going to consume any more of

product X " and saying " Product X is harmful " . The former is a personal

decision, the latter is an analysis which can be either true or false. If

it's false, it could be libelous and tortious, and should not be allowed.

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