Re: SECOND OPINON - POLITICS - ephedra - should we license herbalists?

[Guest guest]

Suze Fisher wrote:

>>> Your evidence for that, I presume, would be a reference to the

>> oft-cited " My

>>> Being Right and Your Being Wrong: A Comprehensive Review, " from the

>>> International Journal of Because I Said So?

>>

>> This is a good one, . I'm going to have to remember this one.

>

> well, here's a different opinion - i think it's just outright rude.

Do you think it was an unfair characterization of the argument?

[Guest guest]

>

>Suze Fisher wrote:

>>>> Your evidence for that, I presume, would be a reference to the

>>> oft-cited " My

>>>> Being Right and Your Being Wrong: A Comprehensive Review, " from the

>>>> International Journal of Because I Said So?

>>>

>>> This is a good one, . I'm going to have to remember this one.

>>

>> well, here's a different opinion - i think it's just outright rude.

>

>Do you think it was an unfair characterization of the argument?

doesn't matter whether i thought it was an unfair characterization of the

argument or not. there are less insulting ways of expressing the sentiment.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

Suze Fisher wrote:

>> Suze Fisher wrote:

>>>>> Your evidence for that, I presume, would be a reference to the

>>>>> oft-cited " My Being Right and Your Being Wrong: A Comprehensive

>>>>> Review, " from the International Journal of Because I Said So?

>>>>

>>>> This is a good one, . I'm going to have to remember this

>>>> one.

>>>

>>> well, here's a different opinion - i think it's just outright rude.

>>

>> Do you think it was an unfair characterization of the argument?

>

> doesn't matter whether i thought it was an unfair characterization of

> the argument or not. there are less insulting ways of expressing the

> sentiment.

Certainly I could have expressed my objections in a gentler and less

entertaining (for me, anyway) manner, but why would I want to? I think

it was an entirely appropriate response to a thoroughly unjustified

assertion. As I see it, if you don't want the things you say to be

ridiculed, you shouldn't say ridiculous things. I don't think has

routinely gone out of his way to express undue respect for anything I've

said. For example:

" I have a very long reply to 's silly message in the works, but

both of you are missing the point when I speak of energy inputs. "

This was in reply to my rebuttal to his claim that producing fuel oil

from plants without greater inputs of fossil fuels would violate the

laws of thermodynamics(!). By the way, is that still forthcoming?

[Guest guest]

> " I have a very long reply to 's silly message in the works, but

>both of you are missing the point when I speak of energy inputs. "

>

>This was in reply to my rebuttal to his claim that producing fuel oil

>from plants without greater inputs of fossil fuels would violate the

>laws of thermodynamics(!).

i didn't follow that thread very closely so don't recall having seen this. i

think it's also insulting. i honestly don't understand why folks have to

descend into personal insults rather than responding to the argument itself.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

Suze Fisher wrote:

>> " I have a very long reply to 's silly message in the works,

>> but both of you are missing the point when I speak of energy inputs. "

>>

>> This was in reply to my rebuttal to his claim that producing fuel oil

>> from plants without greater inputs of fossil fuels would violate the

>> laws of thermodynamics(!).

>

> i didn't follow that thread very closely so don't recall having seen

> this. i think it's also insulting. i honestly don't understand why

> folks have to descend into personal insults rather than responding to

> the argument itself.

For the record, I wasn't offended. Nor do I consider either of these to

be personal insults. The reason that I couldn't respond to the argument

itself is that there was no argument to which I could respond. That was

what I was pointing out.

[Guest guest]

>i didn't follow that thread very closely so don't recall having seen this. i

>think it's also insulting. i honestly don't understand why folks have to

>descend into personal insults rather than responding to the argument itself.

>

>Suze Fisher

I second this. I don't think being insulting is entertaining

at all ... if I did I'd be listening to some talk show host

about now who does it for a living. Also I find it

irritating when people are insulting in a way that means

they don't respond to the topic ... it's called " changing

the subject " ...

A: I don't believe low-fat diets help with weight loss.

B: You are always taking the high fat side! Can't you

see you are being an idiot!

Illogical ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>For the record, I wasn't offended. Nor do I consider either of these to

>be personal insults. The reason that I couldn't respond to the argument

>itself is that there was no argument to which I could respond. That was

>what I was pointing out.

how silly!

<weg>

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------