Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 I think its like some of those other rare elderly people who for breakfast half half a bottle of jack daniels and smoke like chimneys are are in their 90's ect. Just a freak of nature. Though I have heard he doesn't follow what he preaches behind closed doors ( like many diet propogators ) So many vegetarian cookers who preached like it was a word from god would eat meat. Heh _____ From: Long [mailto:longc@...] Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Jack LaLanne I recently read an article in the paper about Jack LaLanne who will be turning 90 this year. He's thinking about swimming 30 miles from Catalina Island to LA for his birthday. I tried to find the article to make sure I had my facts correct but couldn't so I'm doing this from memory. He works out from 5-7 every morning. He has a soy protein shake for breakfast, eats a salad with at least 10 vegetables for lunch and the only meat he eats is a 3 ounce portion of broiled fish for supper along with a salad with 10 vegetables. He doesn't think much of the Atkins diet as people " need vegetables and whole grains. " He doesn't think people should drink milk-- " What mammal drinks milk after being weaned? " He still has sex. He says he doesn't perform as well as he used to but can still get it on. He has a 31 inch waist and a 46 inch chest. He's 5'4 " tall. He eats soy, very little meat and fat, doesn't eat sweets, and is remarkably healthy. It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what others thought of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 I saw Jack LaLanne on TV a year or so ago - looks incredible for his age and its not all face lift. He was asked what his secret was. I will never forget his answer. He said he never ate anything he could not pronounce. Jack LaLanne I recently read an article in the paper about Jack LaLanne who will be turning 90 this year. He's thinking about swimming 30 miles from Catalina Island to LA for his birthday. I tried to find the article to make sure I had my facts correct but couldn't so I'm doing this from memory. He works out from 5-7 every morning. He has a soy protein shake for breakfast, eats a salad with at least 10 vegetables for lunch and the only meat he eats is a 3 ounce portion of broiled fish for supper along with a salad with 10 vegetables. He doesn't think much of the Atkins diet as people " need vegetables and whole grains. " He doesn't think people should drink milk-- " What mammal drinks milk after being weaned? " He still has sex. He says he doesn't perform as well as he used to but can still get it on. He has a 31 inch waist and a 46 inch chest. He's 5'4 " tall. He eats soy, very little meat and fat, doesn't eat sweets, and is remarkably healthy. It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what others thought of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 >I saw Jack LaLanne on TV a year or so ago - looks incredible for >his age and >its not all face lift. He was asked what his secret was. I will never >forget his answer. He said he never ate anything he could not pronounce. then i bet he didn't drink kefir since 99.9% of americans i've spoken with mispronounce it. (uh oh - am i asking for a linguistic scolding from mike parker?) keh-FEER! ha! take that. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 > >I saw Jack LaLanne on TV a year or so ago - looks incredible for > >his age and > >its not all face lift. He was asked what his secret was. I will never > >forget his answer. He said he never ate anything he could not pronounce. > >then i bet he didn't drink kefir since 99.9% of americans i've spoken with >mispronounce it. > >(uh oh - am i asking for a linguistic scolding from mike parker?) > >keh-FEER! ha! take that. > The articles I read said he doesn't do dairy products at all. As for the pronunciation thing, I would have been one of those 99.9% but now I know, assuming you're correct and not the 99.9% of us. I was pronouncing it keh-FIR. >Suze Fisher >Lapdog Design, Inc. >Web Design & Development ><http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg>http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze\ 3shjg >Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine ><http://www.westonaprice.org>http://www.westonaprice.org > >---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause >heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- >Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt >University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > >The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics ><<http://www.thincs.org>http://www.thincs.org> >---------------------------- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 I was pronouncing >it keh-FIR. most americans seem to pronounce it KEEHfur. some also pronounce it KEHfur. assuming kefir king dom is correct, then it's actually pronounced " kef e-er " . you can hear the audio of it on his website: http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html or go to the archives where i posted dom's pronunciation: /files/Kefir/ we had a discussion about it's pronuncitation last year, which i was thinking of when i said jack lalanne probably never had it since americans tend not to pronounce it correctly (it was said in jest), and also when i was alluding to a linguistic scolding from mike, since he did that last time i protested the bastardized pronounciation of kefir that americans are so fond of. <weg> Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 - >It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll >ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what >others thought of this. What said. The occasional person is a genetic freak of nature, able to soak up massive amounts of punishment and still do reasonably well, and perhaps more to the point, awhile ago someone posted a like to an article Chet Day wrote about various vegetarian (and similar) gurus who don't in fact practice quite what they preach. Maybe someone can cough up the URL? I couldn't find it. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:11:20 -0500 Idol <Idol@...> wrote: >- > >>It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll >>ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what >>others thought of this. > >What said. The occasional person is a genetic freak of nature, >able to soak up massive amounts of punishment and still do reasonably well, >and perhaps more to the point, awhile ago someone posted a like to an >article Chet Day wrote about various vegetarian (and similar) gurus who >don't in fact practice quite what they preach. Maybe someone can cough up >the URL? I couldn't find it. > > > > >- That would be me. Here is the link: http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm And below is a post I made awhile back talking about Jack LaLanne. Abolish the FDA!! http://tinyurl.com/25nu8 Jack Lalanne is a poor example of the vegetarian lifestyle. This is another one of those things where the hype doesn't fit the reality. First, for many years one can surmise Jack Lalanne was not a vegetarian. As a former Mr. America one should assume that he ate just like everybody else in his day and nothing in his writings or comments have ever suggested otherwise. In fact they seem to suggest the opposite, that he had a dietary and exercise conversion away from the bodybuilding lifestyle of his day (which is very different from today's bodybuilding lifestyle) at a later stage in his life. So his foundational years most likely included a lot of animal flesh/products of some sort. Second he is NOT a vegetarian. There is no such thing as a 99% vegetarian. All folks can be put into two categories when it comes to food, those who eat animals and/or their products, and those who don't. While in the popular vernacular we speak of certain kinds of vegetarians, technically speaking you are either a vegan or you include animal foods. To say someone is 99% vegetarian is to say someone can be 99% pregnant. Such is nonsense. You either are or you aren't. And I say that to say this, even a little bit of animal food can go a long way in an otherwise " animal free " diet. LaLanne's consumption of fish on regular basis provides many things he would otherwise not get. Many of the so-called vegetarian gurus who are hyped today are not vegetarians and never were: http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm Others have since given up their veganism (Harvey Diamond). And others, like Lalanne, were never true vegetarians in the first place. Also if you look at his website I see pictures of flesh foods there. What's up with that if he thinks " vegetarianism " is so hot? Third, the man looks absolutely terrible in the face and now in his body as well as he has this strange idea of needing to lose a certain amount of weight each year as he gets older. I've seen other age advanced bodybuilders/health types and I would rather look like them any day of the week. Bill Pearl (72 - lacto ovo " vegetarian " ), Robby (56), even Al Beckles (probably in his 70's) all look better than Jack Lalanne and have for years. In fact Pearl and look absolutely fantastic. I think advocating >one way over all else for everyone alike can't be right, a balance >needs to be found. Everyone needs to become intuned to their body and >ask, 'Is this right for me?' >r Of course, but in the aggregate, vegetarianism simply doesn't work over the long haul. While the types and amounts of animal foods will vary from place to place the fact is animal foods and or their products are needed in our diets. As I noted above vegetarianism doesn't even work for LaLanne. On a side note, Jack LaLanne claims to work out two hours a day every day of the week and has done so for decades. That is quite impressive and probably in large part accounts for his longevity. He seems to think so as he has stated the exercise is the king and diet is the queen when it comes to health and longevity. While I'm more than happy to bow to the popular understanding of vegetarianism when talking to most folks, if we took that definition seriously, then some of Price's healthy " primitives " could be classified as vegetarians. And most serious vegetarians I know of want nothing to do with Dr. Price, LOL! The People vs. Rush Limbaugh http://tinyurl.com/qon2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 >That would be me. Here is the link: http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm Thanks, ! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 > most americans seem to pronounce it KEEHfur. Yep, that's how I pronounce it, as in " Ask not what you can do for kefir, but what kefir can do for you! " Lynn S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Heidi, The macrobiotic diet does contain wheat. In fact seitan (wheat meat made from wheat gluten) is used as a yang energizing food. Wheat is also contained in somen and udon noodles which may be eaten on rare occasions by those on a healing diet. Michio used to say flour products were out for cancer patients but seitan was okay. I used to cook for cancer patients (macrobiotically). Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 > >That would be me. Here is the link: ><http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm>http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm Interesting information. I'd like to see someone do something on Reverend Malkus of the Hallelujah Diet (www.hacres.com). His diet consists of a barley grass drink, fresh carrot juice, salads, and a small portion of cooked food once a day. It has no meat, dairy products, or eggs. He says he cured himself of cancer with this diet. I believe he had a stroke awhile back but is back to his full time schedule now. Regarding this Chet Day link, has anyone ordered that dental book and stuff from the site. I looked at it and it looks interesting but don't know if I want to spend the money. If someone here has tried it, please share your opinions on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 > >It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll > >ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what > >others thought of this. > >What said. The occasional person is a genetic freak of nature, >able to soak up massive amounts of punishment and still do reasonably well, >and perhaps more to the point, awhile ago someone posted a like to an >article Chet Day wrote about various vegetarian (and similar) gurus who >don't in fact practice quite what they preach. Maybe someone can cough up >the URL? I couldn't find it. That was a good article. There are some people who can eat massive amounts of sugar and starch and drink a 6 pack of Mountain Dew a day and never gain weight even though the most work they do is searching for the remote. LaLanne doesn't eat like that but I guess I would consider them to be freaks of nature also. >- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 I bookmarked this kefir page so I can find it when I finally run down a source of raw milk for my kefir. Pronouncing is not as important as making it and drinking it I guess. Thanks for posting that link. >I was pronouncing > >it keh-FIR. > >most americans seem to pronounce it KEEHfur. some also pronounce it KEHfur. >assuming kefir king dom is correct, then it's actually pronounced " kef >e-er " . you can hear the audio of it on his website: ><http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html>http://users.chariot.net.au/~d\ na/kefirpage.html >or go to the > archives where i posted dom's pronunciation: >< /files/Kefir/>http://heal\ th./group/ /files/Kefir/ > > >we had a discussion about it's pronuncitation last year, which i was >thinking of when i said jack lalanne probably never had it since americans >tend not to pronounce it correctly (it was said in jest), and also when i >was alluding to a linguistic scolding from mike, since he did that last time >i protested the bastardized pronounciation of kefir that americans are so >fond of. <weg> > > >Suze Fisher >Lapdog Design, Inc. >Web Design & Development ><http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg>http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze\ 3shjg >Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine ><http://www.westonaprice.org>http://www.westonaprice.org > >---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause >heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- >Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt >University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > >The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics ><<http://www.thincs.org>http://www.thincs.org> >---------------------------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 >Interesting information. I'd like to see someone do something on Reverend > Malkus of the Hallelujah Diet (www.hacres.com). His diet consists of >a barley grass drink, fresh carrot juice, salads, and a small portion of >cooked food once a day. It has no meat, dairy products, or eggs. He says he >cured himself of cancer with this diet. I believe he had a stroke awhile >back but is back to his full time schedule now. Someone has pointed out that there are SEVERAL diets that seem to cure cancer: Macrobiotic (no meat) Ajonus Vanderplatz (lots of meat) Hallelujah (and some similar to that) And what those diets seem to have in common is no wheat and no dairy (or using fermented dairy). In Dangerous Grains they used a GF diet to lessen the side effects of radiation treatment, and those people had a much better recovery rate than those on normal diets. Since gluten, commercial milk, and nitrates have all been very much connected to cancer, there may well be something there ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Does this mean the nitrates in kimchee are null and void? _____ From: Heidi Schuppenhauer [mailto:heidis@...] Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Jack LaLanne >Interesting information. I'd like to see someone do something on Reverend > Malkus of the Hallelujah Diet (www.hacres.com). His diet consists of >a barley grass drink, fresh carrot juice, salads, and a small portion of >cooked food once a day. It has no meat, dairy products, or eggs. He says he >cured himself of cancer with this diet. I believe he had a stroke awhile >back but is back to his full time schedule now. Someone has pointed out that there are SEVERAL diets that seem to cure cancer: Macrobiotic (no meat) Ajonus Vanderplatz (lots of meat) Hallelujah (and some similar to that) And what those diets seem to have in common is no wheat and no dairy (or using fermented dairy). In Dangerous Grains they used a GF diet to lessen the side effects of radiation treatment, and those people had a much better recovery rate than those on normal diets. Since gluten, commercial milk, and nitrates have all been very much connected to cancer, there may well be something there ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 : >Does this mean the nitrates in kimchee are null and void? All the studies I've seen on kimchi (and kraut) indicate that kimchi and kraut eaters have LESS cancer, and that the cabbage ferments into potent anti-carcinogens. Plus I read that nitrates are disabled in your stomach, if you have enough stomach acid ... you would think that kimchi has enough acid? And nitrates cause plants to grow nicely ... I wonder if they " fertilize " some of the buggies in kimchi ... I'm purely guessing though. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Would this also cover you think kimchee bought at the asian store? _____ From: Heidi Schuppenhauer [mailto:heidis@...] Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Jack LaLanne : >Does this mean the nitrates in kimchee are null and void? All the studies I've seen on kimchi (and kraut) indicate that kimchi and kraut eaters have LESS cancer, and that the cabbage ferments into potent anti-carcinogens. Plus I read that nitrates are disabled in your stomach, if you have enough stomach acid ... you would think that kimchi has enough acid? And nitrates cause plants to grow nicely ... I wonder if they " fertilize " some of the buggies in kimchi ... I'm purely guessing though. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 >Heidi, >The macrobiotic diet does contain wheat. In fact seitan (wheat meat made from >wheat gluten) is used as a yang energizing food. Wheat is also contained in >somen and udon noodles which may be eaten on rare occasions by those on a >healing diet. Michio used to say flour products were out for cancer patients but >seitan was okay. I used to cook for cancer patients (macrobiotically). > >Elainie Hmmm. Interesting ... is the seitan fermented? -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 At 05:36 PM 2/1/2004, you wrote: > >Interesting information. I'd like to see someone do something on Reverend > > Malkus of the Hallelujah Diet (www.hacres.com). His diet consists of > >a barley grass drink, fresh carrot juice, salads, and a small portion of > >cooked food once a day. It has no meat, dairy products, or eggs. He says he > >cured himself of cancer with this diet. I believe he had a stroke awhile > >back but is back to his full time schedule now. > >Someone has pointed out that there are SEVERAL diets that seem to >cure cancer: > >Macrobiotic (no meat) >Ajonus Vanderplatz (lots of meat) >Hallelujah (and some similar to that) > >And what those diets seem to have in common is >no wheat and no dairy (or using fermented dairy). >In Dangerous Grains they used a GF diet to lessen >the side effects of radiation treatment, and those people >had a much better recovery rate than those on normal >diets. Since gluten, commercial milk, and nitrates have >all been very much connected to cancer, there may well >be something there ... > >-- Heidi In the Hallelujah diet, they do eat whole wheat bread. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 >In the Hallelujah diet, they do eat whole wheat bread. > > Well, Ok, that is 2 for my theory (against). I was on Cliff Sheats for awhile, which DID allow whole wheat bread, but we didn't eat it much, because no one LIKED whole wheat bread. So maybe they are eating LESS wheat. Or maybe the problem is milk, such as it is produced here ... Now you will tell me they eat milk too. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 >> He eats soy, very little meat and fat, doesn't eat sweets, and is remarkably healthy. It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what others thought of this. << Well..... I think that individuals do better on different ways of eating and with different lifestyles. What he does is NOT for me, that's for sure.... I would be absolutely miserable and have endless diarrhea eating and living as he does. I also think that working out two hours a day is simply unrealistic for most people, so assuming that some or all of his good health is dependent on working out at that level, it's not really a way of living that can be widely emulated. But I'm glad he found what floats his boat. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Heidi- >Plus I read that nitrates are disabled in your stomach, >if you have enough stomach acid ... you would think >that kimchi has enough acid? It could also depend on whether it's the right acid. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Actually it's weirder than that. A high-carb diet seems to make some people fat and other people very skinny. I do a lot of my shopping at a large natural co-op in san francisco that's a hub of vegan/vegatarianism. A lot of the people who frequent the store are very skinny and sallow -- much more so than you'd see in the general population. This isn't really informative without knowing their diets, but is an interesting cultural note. > > That was a good article. There are some people who can eat massive amounts > of sugar and starch and drink a 6 pack of Mountain Dew a day and never gain > weight even though the most work they do is searching for the remote. > LaLanne doesn't eat like that but I guess I would consider them to be > freaks of nature also. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Anyone can work out 2 hours a day It's the intensity level of those 2 hours that is the important factor to take into consideration as to his time spent _____ From: Christie [mailto:christiekeith@...] Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Jack LaLanne >> He eats soy, very little meat and fat, doesn't eat sweets, and is remarkably healthy. It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what others thought of this. << Well..... I think that individuals do better on different ways of eating and with different lifestyles. What he does is NOT for me, that's for sure.... I would be absolutely miserable and have endless diarrhea eating and living as he does. I also think that working out two hours a day is simply unrealistic for most people, so assuming that some or all of his good health is dependent on working out at that level, it's not really a way of living that can be widely emulated. But I'm glad he found what floats his boat. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 No, seitan is not fermented, it's pure wheat gluten made from mixing whole wheat flour and water , kneading and washing all the bran off until pure wheat gluten remains. It's then cooked in a broth. Other foods in the macro diet that are made from seitan are fu and those are dried rings and sheets made of gluten . Whole cooked soybeans are also used (one such dish is *vitality stew*) and black soybeans are eaten cooked to help *break up* fat deposits and tumors. Soy shows up and it's not just tofu , miso, tamari, natto and tempeh. Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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