Re: Re: High carb wins! Maybe

[Guest guest]

>> " Consequently, once people abandon the diet, their appetite can

>> increase, causing them to gain back what they once lost, said "

So, after losing weight on a low-carbohydrate diet, if you go back to

eating the way that made you fat, you'll get fat? What are these other

diets that permanently alter your metabolism in a way that allows you

eat whatever you want without gaining weight?

[Guest guest]

Hope this makes it past 's spam filter.

Judith Alta

Here is the HIS Baltimore take on that diet " study. " tells what they

actually ate.

Note what the study authors called " low carb. "

Judith Alta

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Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

February 5, 2004

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Dear Reader,

I've got a good one for you today. This would be troubling, if

it weren't just out and out hilarious.

You may have heard about a new study - published last week in

the prestigious Archives of Internal Medicine - which concludes

with the surprising information that you can eat a high

carbohydrate diet and lose weight without exercising.

And I can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

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All you can eat

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Researchers at the University of Arkansas recruited 34 subjects

with an average age of 66 years. All the subjects had impaired

glucose intolerance. The 34 were divided into three groups and

supplied with meals for 12 weeks. Two of the groups received a

low-fat, high complex-carbohydrate diet, and the control group

received a comparatively high-fat, low-carb diet (although carbs

made up 45 percent of the food intake - obviously the word " low "

is defined differently in this study than anywhere else in the

world). All of the subjects in one of the high-carb groups

participated in 45 minutes of aerobic exercise, four times each

week.

The meal food portions were large; designed to supply about 150

percent of estimated energy needs. Subjects were told to eat as

much as they pleased. Because all uneaten food was returned, the

researchers were able to determine that there was no significant

difference in total food intake among the groups.

At the end of 12 weeks, the Arkansas team found that the group

that exercised lost 11 pounds on average. The non-exercising

high-carb group lost 7 pounds on average. And the so-called

low-carb group didn't lose any weight at all.

Conclusion: Forget your low-carb diets. Eat all the bagels you

want and you'll lose weight - even if you don't exercise.

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Reality check

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This study has three glaring problems: 1) A 12-week dietary

study can't begin to predict the long-range effects of a diet,

2) The low-carb diet wasn't low in carbs at all, and 3) There's

no way on earth that you can eat your fill of carbs, get no

exercise, and lose weight. As one eating disorder expert told

the Associated Press: It " flies in the face of 100 years of

data. " He predicted that recommending such a diet, combined with

no exercise, would be " a public health disaster. " And this comes

from someone who describes himself as an advocate of low-fat,

high-carbs!

Nevertheless, the media had a " told you so " field day. And the

smirking headline from Reuters Health said it all: " Revenge of

the high-carb diet - ha! It works, too. "

The really amazing thing is that this study appeared in the

Archives of Internal Medicine, instead of the Archives of Inept

Research. A casual look at the details reveals that the study

was obviously designed to stack the deck so that the supposed

low-carb diet would be the loser.

The high-carb diet included lots of fruits and vegetables (much

more than the low-carb diet), as well as high-fiber cereal and

vegetarian chili. But the menu for the low-carb group included

macaroni and cheese and French fries! And on an all-you-can-eat

basis!

Let's see, which way will I lose more weight over just 12 weeks?

With fruits, vegetables and high-fiber, or macaroni and cheese

with supersized orders of French fries?

This is a textbook example of a junk study.

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Fantasy land

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The most misguided report about this research came from CBS

News. In an article titled " Fighting Diabetes With Carbs, " CBS

implies that the high-carb diet used in the study is a good

choice for people who are pre-diabetic. Well, it's a slightly

better choice than macaroni and cheese and French fries, I'll

give it that.

The CBS report describes the high-carb diet as " Lots of bagels,

lots of fruit and vegetables. " For the most part, the fruits and

veggies are no problem. But bagels? It's a rare bagel that's not

a refined carbohydrate, which means it creates a blood sugar

spike, which, over time, contributes to insulin resistance,

which leads to type 2 diabetes. And if your veggies include

potatoes, then those starches are converted to sugar, which

creates a blood sugar spike, etc., etc.

Fighting diabetes with these types of carbs is like fighting a

house fire with a flame-thrower.

Dr. J. , the lead author of the Arkansas study,

told Reuters Health, " If you simply reduce fat in the diet, and

allow people to eat as much carbohydrates as they want, they

lose weight. "

One headline called this high-carb plan the " Anti-Atkins. " You

could more accurately call it Anti-Science.

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-----Original Message-----

From: Berg [mailto:bberg@...]

>> " Consequently, once people abandon the diet, their appetite can

>> increase, causing them to gain back what they once lost, said "

So, after losing weight on a low-carbohydrate diet, if you go back to

eating the way that made you fat, you'll get fat? What are these other

diets that permanently alter your metabolism in a way that allows you

eat whatever you want without gaining weight?

[Guest guest]

> >> " Consequently, once people abandon the diet, their appetite can

> >> increase, causing them to gain back what they once lost, said "

>

> So, after losing weight on a low-carbohydrate diet, if you go back to

> eating the way that made you fat, you'll get fat? What are these other

> diets that permanently alter your metabolism in a way that allows you

> eat whatever you want without gaining weight?

,

Any diet that claims you can alter your metabolism and then go back to prior

eating habits without gaining back is wrong. Adding back in refined carbs

especially will undo the gut brain signal that shut off sooner as being full

on the diet.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

And if any combination of low fat/high carb diets worked as promised this

would be the skinniest and healthiest country on the planet.

I would like a dollar for every low calorie diet book that has been written.

And another $.50 for each and every low fat book that has been written. They

all claim to have the latest and greatest way to lose weight and they all

say exactly the same thing. Just rearranging the order of the words

slightly.

The establishment KNOWS that the low fat diet is healthy! They KNOW it will

prevent or cure heart disease, diabetes and obesity, among other things. Now

if they could just prove it!

They knock low carb up one side and down the other, not because it does not

work safely, but because it puts the lie to their own pet theory. The pet

theory that they have wasted millions and millions of our tax dollars trying

to prove. . .

Ah, well. I preach to the choir.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Wanita Sears [mailto:wanitawa@...]

> >> " Consequently, once people abandon the diet, their appetite can

> >> increase, causing them to gain back what they once lost, said "

>

> So, after losing weight on a low-carbohydrate diet, if you go back to

> eating the way that made you fat, you'll get fat? What are these other

> diets that permanently alter your metabolism in a way that allows you

> eat whatever you want without gaining weight?

,

Any diet that claims you can alter your metabolism and then go back to prior

eating habits without gaining back is wrong. Adding back in refined carbs

especially will undo the gut brain signal that shut off sooner as being full

on the diet.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>And if any combination of low fat/high carb diets worked as promised this

>would be the skinniest and healthiest country on the planet.

It CAN work, but it depends on the carbs. Like I said, I was on one for a long

time,

and it did work nicely for losing weight. But that diet specifically excluded

the

" bad " carbs .. interestingly enough no " white flour " was allowed. And since I

disliked

" whole wheat flour " we basically got no wheat at all, which was what got me

thinking

about wheat as an issue. But we ate a lot of stuff that was high-glycemic, like

cornbread

and baked potatoes, and plenty of fruit. And we all lost weight.

Anyway, there are healthy people around the world that eat a higher-carb

lower-fat

diet. The fact the " low fat " craze caused obesity and diabetes in America

therefore

probably has to do with the TYPE of carbs involved (high wheat, high fructose,

high

sucrose) and likely the type of fats involved too (canola oil, soy oil).

Please don't take this as a criticism of low-carb diets ...

again Price found a large variety of " what works " in terms

of macronutrient profiles. And what works for one person may

not work for another. But mostly I'm not sure the exact macronutrient

levels are as important as the type and quality of the food involved.

(which this study may point out, since their " lower carb " diet also

seems to have been based on carbs of lesser quality).

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

I'm mostly taking issue with the paint-by-number stuff the government hands

out.

And I agree with you.

Ideally a lifestyle change should be tailored for each individual. And foods

that work for some will not work for others.

I also believe that the type of food one eats, whole and natural, or created

in somebody's test tube makes a huge difference.

In that sorry excuse for a study the so-called low fat diet was actually the

healthier diet.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Heidi Schuppenhauer [mailto:heidis@...]

>And if any combination of low fat/high carb diets worked as promised this

>would be the skinniest and healthiest country on the planet.

It CAN work, but it depends on the carbs. Like I said, I was on one for a

long time,

and it did work nicely for losing weight. But that diet specifically

excluded the

" bad " carbs .. interestingly enough no " white flour " was allowed. And since

I disliked

" whole wheat flour " we basically got no wheat at all, which was what got me

thinking

about wheat as an issue. But we ate a lot of stuff that was high-glycemic,

like cornbread

and baked potatoes, and plenty of fruit. And we all lost weight.

Anyway, there are healthy people around the world that eat a higher-carb

lower-fat

diet. The fact the " low fat " craze caused obesity and diabetes in America

therefore

probably has to do with the TYPE of carbs involved (high wheat, high

fructose, high

sucrose) and likely the type of fats involved too (canola oil, soy oil).

Please don't take this as a criticism of low-carb diets ...

again Price found a large variety of " what works " in terms

of macronutrient profiles. And what works for one person may

not work for another. But mostly I'm not sure the exact macronutrient

levels are as important as the type and quality of the food involved.

(which this study may point out, since their " lower carb " diet also

seems to have been based on carbs of lesser quality).

-- Heidi