Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hi Wanita, Thanks for the congratulations! Michio Kushi's own wife (100% Japanese) and daughter (again Japanese) both died of cancer. Aveline ate a pretty rigid macro diet. Noburo Muramoto also died of cancer. The macro counselors who died of cancer were caucasion. Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Wanita, I also wanted to say that a macro diet IMO bearslittle resemblence to a traditional Japanese diet which isfull of omega3's from fish, marine animals etc... fish is not eaten very often if at all and when it is lowfat white varieties are preferred as those are more *yin* and *yang* foods can contribute to aggression which is the the goal of macrobiotics and it's *one peaceful world*. Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Elainie, First of all congratulations on your newest family member! By any chance were the lifelong macros with cancer not of Asian descent? What always got me with macro was that it was an indigenous diet and that any indigenous diet could be a macro diet. Please explain if I don't understand it as a diet that would work best for people of Asian descent. > Hypothyroid was very common in the macro community and cancer not unheard of > for *lifelong* macros. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Deprivation I think plays a role. At Michio's daughters funeral , her body was surrounded by all the foods she couldn't have (sweets etc..) Pretty sick eh? Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Wanita, No the goal is not to eat yin at all, in fact yang foods of non animal origin are preferred. Salt, miso, root vegetables are all yang. Long cooking times, pressure cooking , pickling, etc.. are yang methods of cooking. Raw food is not ideal ynless it's a yang food likefish eaten in a yin way (raw). I hope this makes sernse. It must sound so complex to some. Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hi Elainie, Wonder if dietary deprivation is sometimes a psychological link to cancer. Friend of our's mother is a Christian Scientist. Her a 6 other women followed their biblical diet. 4 of the 6 women, not including friend's mother have died from stomach cancer. Japan was exposed to radiation and who knows what else WWII. Korean friend of mine there during Korean War died from a stomach cancer found in many Korean immigrants. Wanita > Hi Wanita, > Thanks for the congratulations! > > Michio Kushi's own wife (100% Japanese) and daughter (again Japanese) both > died of cancer. > Aveline ate a pretty rigid macro diet. Noburo Muramoto also died of cancer. > The macro counselors who died of cancer were caucasion. > > Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Elainie, Wheat in the seitan is definitely not traditional. Likely the gluten, which rice doesn't have could create the myriad of intestinal permeations and toxic leakage that randomly attacks different parts of the body. Was reading yesterday that sweet corn is yang and cornmeal is yin. So the macro philosophy is to eat yin in order to be non aggressive? Wanita > Wanita, > I also wanted to say that a macro diet IMO bearslittle resemblence to a > traditional Japanese diet which isfull of omega3's from fish, marine animals etc... > fish is not eaten very often if at all and when it is lowfat white varieties > are preferred as those are more *yin* and *yang* foods can contribute to > aggression which is the the goal of macrobiotics and it's *one peaceful world*. > > Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 >Hi Elainie, > >Wonder if dietary deprivation is sometimes a psychological link to cancer. >Friend of our's mother is a Christian Scientist. Her a 6 other women >followed their biblical diet. 4 of the 6 women, not including friend's >mother have died from stomach cancer. Japan was exposed to radiation and who >knows what else WWII. Korean friend of mine there during Korean War died >from a stomach cancer found in many Korean immigrants. > >Wanita Stomach cancer is very much tied to nitrates too ... I don't know about in Korea, but in this country the rates have gone down since we've had better refrigeration. It is also tied to smoking and drinking and maybe some of the chemicals used in warfare Someone said the rates are high in Vietnam because of agent orange -- but there are nitrates in gunpowder too. In Korea stomach cancer is much higher among men than women, you have to wonder how much gunsmoke they inhaled. Cancer is also MUCH more prevalent in gluten intolerant people, and about 1/3 of white folks have the wrong genes for gluten. SInce many of the " healthy " and vegetarian diets promote whole wheat and fake meats made from gluten, I kind of think that may be part of it. In Asia they are big on fake crab made from wheat gluten too. Sooo ... the macrobiotic diet might cure you of cancer if you have the right genes ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Beyond absurd! You can have it now that you can't eat it. Didn't change the minds and path of the parents after that? Being responsible for her diet or did they attribute the cancer to non diet related? Wanita > Deprivation I think plays a role. At Michio's daughters funeral , her body > was surrounded by all the foods she couldn't have (sweets etc..) Pretty sick eh? > > Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Elainie, Got you on this. Read some on yin yang foods. Never piqued my interest to explore more. Wanita > No the goal is not to eat yin at all, in fact yang foods of non animal origin > are preferred. > Salt, miso, root vegetables are all yang. Long cooking times, pressure > cooking , pickling, etc.. are yang methods of cooking. Raw food is not ideal ynless > it's a yang food likefish eaten in a yin way (raw). I hope this makes sernse. > It must sound so complex to some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 In a message dated 2/8/04 10:16:54 AM, wanitawa@... writes: > Beyond absurd! You can have it now that you can't eat it. Didn't change the > minds and path of the parents after that? Being responsible for her diet or > did they attribute the cancer to non diet related? > It was very sad and I'm not sure what he thought. That said, Michio really does know cancer on an energetic level. There are so many factors that come into play with cancer. Elainie > > Wanita > > > Deprivation I think plays a role. At Michio's daughters funeral , her body > > was surrounded by all the foods she couldn't have (sweets etc..) Pretty > sick eh? > > > > Elainie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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