Re: Jack LaLanne/Sex/Drugs

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>> I think part of it is geographic location. I live in New England, and

we have a somewhat different demographic up here. We've got a lot more

atheists and agnostics than the national average, and if I had to make a guess,

I'd

estimate that 95% of the population smokes pot and 85% are occasional LSD users

based on the people I know around here (I don't mean my friends, I mean the

dozens or hundreds of people I meet in all situations)-- and one very large

town (city-sized, but with no charter) made an official resolution directing

their police not to arrest people for marijuana possession (violating the

Federal

ban). So, the people I talk to might not represent the big picture. <<

Well, I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and went to UC Berkeley, (in

Berkeley, which had that same resolution twenty years ago when I was in

college). So I doubt that your New England demographic is too much different

than my northern CA demographic.

I don't think that what you or I have observed is all that relevant, although

given the fact I'm around twice your age, I would argue I've probably talked to

more people about sex than you have - especially in the many years I was a safer

sex peer counselor in San Francisco, or when I ran the HIV/AIDS area on America

Online during the early 90s. Still and all, I'd throw my personal observations

out the window, along with yours, based on the narrowness of our sample. Mine is

geographically and chronologically skewed and contains way too high a proportion

of gay men, for example. When it comes to facts, I've never seen a scrap of

evidence that gender doesn't make a difference in sexual behavior. To the

contrary, gender and sexual orientation are highly correlated with differences

in sexual behavior. Study after study has found that women masturbate less than

men, have fewer STDs (lesbians have the fewest of all, men who have sex with men

the most), and women describe themselves as wanting sex less frequently than

their male partners. I am sure there are plenty of individual women who are dead

opposite to this - just as there are plenty of men who are. But overall, looking

at gender patterns, these things hold true.

I also very much doubt that anywhere remotely close to 95 percent of the people

in your region smoke pot or even drink alcohol, nor that anything even within

shouting distance of 85 percent have ever TRIED LSD even one time, let alone use

it occasionally. I think you are making some assumptions that can't be supported

by any sort of evidence. For one thing, you have just excluded from the category

of " people " all young children and a vast majority of seniors who certainly have

never even considered smoking pot or dropping acid. And if you have no seniors

or children in your region, well.... then your population sample is not remotely

representive. Even less then mine.

Christie

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In a message dated 2/6/04 1:12:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

christiekeith@... writes:

> Well, I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and went to UC Berkeley, (in

> Berkeley, which had that same resolution twenty years ago when I was in

> college). So I doubt that your New England demographic is too much different

than my

> northern CA demographic.

Fair enough. & amp;nbsp; But I keep wondering how drugs are illegal when I can't

find anybody who don't do them.

> I don't think that what you or I have observed is all that relevant,

> although given the fact I'm around twice your age, I would argue I've probably

> talked to more people about sex than you have

That's probably true...

- especially in the many years I was a safer sex peer counselor in San

Francisco,

> or when I ran the HIV/AIDS area on America Online during the early 90s.

Sure. & amp;nbsp; I don't think I claimed to be an expert; I was offering my

opinion and experience.

Still and all, I'd throw my personal observations out the window, along with

yours,

> based on the narrowness of our sample. Mine is geographically and

> chronologically skewed and contains way too high a proportion of gay men, for

example.

> When it comes to facts, I've never seen a scrap of evidence that gender

> doesn't make a difference in sexual behavior. To the contrary, gender and

sexual

> orientation are highly correlated with differences in sexual behavior. Study

> after study has found that women masturbate less than men, have fewer STDs

> (lesbians have the fewest of all, men who have sex with men the most), and

> women describe themselves as wanting sex less frequently than their male

> partners. I am sure there are plenty of individual women who are dead opposite

to

> this - just as there are plenty of men who are. But overall, looking at gender

> patterns, these things hold true.

Ok. & amp;nbsp; I'm just saying I've never experienced this. & amp;nbsp; I've never

dated

anyone who wanted less sex than me, and I haven't gotten the impression from

talking to other people that women want sex less. & amp;nbsp; But I have gotten

the

impression that sometimes women want sex less than they *ideally* would, ala

Heidi's explanation.

> I also very much doubt that anywhere remotely close to 95 percent of the

> people in your region smoke pot or even drink alcohol, nor that anything even

> within shouting distance of 85 percent have ever TRIED LSD even one time, let

> alone use it occasionally.

I find that hard to believe too. & amp;nbsp; However, whenever I'm in a group

setting, say, 15 people in the breakroom at work, 20 people in a classroom at

school, people talk quite openly about drugs, including LSD. & amp;nbsp; I

personally

don't know a single person who hasn't smoked pot, and I know very few people who

don't currently smoke pot at least on occasion, aside from myself and my

grandparents basically, and that's including adults.

I think you are making some assumptions that can't be supported by any sort

of

> evidence.

I didn't claim to have any evidence nor am I making any assumptions. & amp;nbsp; I

said that based on my personal experience I would " guess " that [such-and-such]

and that since that seems unreasonable, I might be interacting with an

unrepresentative pool of people.

For one thing, you have just excluded from the category of " people " all

young

> children and a vast majority of seniors who certainly have never even

> considered smoking pot or dropping acid. And if you have no seniors or

children in

> your region, well.... then your population sample is not remotely

> representive. Even less then mine.

If I was talking about dropping acid I think it's sort of implicit I was

excluding (most) 7-year-olds.

Chris

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In a message dated 2/6/04 1:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

nlanden@... writes:

> I am 30 - and have never done LSD or smoked pot. & amp;nbsp; Never even tried

it. & amp;

> nbsp; So,

> you can add one person to your list of people you know that DON'T take drugs

> or smoke pot on a regular basis.

Thanks Nanette. & amp;nbsp; Do you live in New England? & amp;nbsp; Preferably, I'd

like

to keep a running list of these kinds of folks who live in Massachusetts ;-)

Chris

[Guest guest]

> I find that hard to believe too. & amp;nbsp; However, whenever I'm

> in a group

> setting, say, 15 people in the breakroom at work, 20 people in a

> classroom at

> school, people talk quite openly about drugs, including

> LSD. & amp;nbsp; I personally

> don't know a single person who hasn't smoked pot, and I know very

> few people who

> don't currently smoke pot at least on occasion, aside from myself and my

> grandparents basically, and that's including adults.

I am 30 - and have never done LSD or smoked pot. Never even tried it. So,

you can add one person to your list of people you know that DON'T take drugs

or smoke pot on a regular basis.

Nanette

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>> I am 30 - and have never done LSD or smoked pot. Never even tried it. So,

you can add one person to your list of people you know that DON'T take drugs

or smoke pot on a regular basis. <<

I have never smoked pot or used LSD either.

Christie

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At 03:45 PM 2/6/04 EST, you wrote:

>Thanks Nanette. & amp;nbsp; Do you live in New England? & amp;nbsp;

Preferably, I'd like

>to keep a running list of these kinds of folks who live in Massachusetts ;-)

>

>Chris

If Rhode Island/SE Mass count, I can provide you with a long list.

MFJ

It's finally happened. I'm slightly mad. Oh dear. ~Queen

[Guest guest]

Geesh, Chris! Add me to your list of New Englander's who grew up in the late

60's, early 70's and decided pot sucked then along with other drugs and

alcohol too. Had and still have a family to bring up. Live in what's locally

considered the hippie town where I've had lengthy discussions with quite a

few who agree some good changes may have happened in the 60's and 70's if

all the illegal substances of the time weren't used and didn't become the

tool to divide and conquer. Hindsight.

Knowing what I know about nutrition now it doesn't surprise me that there

isn't less use now than then. Food quality and nutrition has gone downhill

since, especially in school systems.With the expectations, pace of life now

to then even its almost a given that nearly everyone will have lower impulse

control and need more escapism. Really wonder about the opioids in gluten

grains, which affect everyone on yet not known levels. It's sad or is it

SAD?

Think your generalization is specific to your age group possibly and not

indicative of everyone else in the area. Heard interesting data this week.

80% of drug users are white and 80% of prison population for drugs are

black.

Wanita

> Thanks Nanette. & amp;nbsp; Do you live in New England? & amp;nbsp;

Preferably, I'd like

> to keep a running list of these kinds of folks who live in Massachusetts

;-)

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

No - born in Ohio raised in Tennessee. Don't people have better ways to

spend time and money up there?

Nanette

> Re: Jack LaLanne/Sex/Drugs

>

>

> In a message dated 2/6/04 1:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> nlanden@... writes:

>

> > I am 30 - and have never done LSD or smoked pot. & amp;nbsp;

> Never even tried it. & amp;

> > nbsp; So,

> > you can add one person to your list of people you know that

> DON'T take drugs

> > or smoke pot on a regular basis.

>

> Thanks Nanette. & amp;nbsp; Do you live in New England? & amp;nbsp;

> Preferably, I'd like

> to keep a running list of these kinds of folks who live in

> Massachusetts ;-)

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sure they do.is in a progressive, prestigious 5 college town area and

thats what it looks like from the inside.

Wanita

> No - born in Ohio raised in Tennessee. Don't people have better ways to

> spend time and money up there?

>

> Nanette

[Guest guest]

I have used both.

From: " Christie " <christiekeith@...>

Reply-

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:14:27 -0800

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Subject: Re: Jack LaLanne/Sex/Drugs

>> I am 30 - and have never done LSD or smoked pot. Never even tried it. So,

you can add one person to your list of people you know that DON'T take drugs

or smoke pot on a regular basis. <<

I have never smoked pot or used LSD either.

Christie

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In a message dated 2/7/04 12:12:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,

knappschiles@... writes:

> Just because you have done something, doesn't mean everybody has too. I

> know more people like me than I know people like you.

Did I suggest that? By people like me, do you mean people who don't do

drugs? (Since I don't?)

Chris

[Guest guest]

Well you can add me to your list too. The only mind altering thing I

ever did was alcohol for a few years when I was in my early 20s. Drink

very little now. Never smoked anything ever. I'm 55 from the mid-west,

Wisconsin.

Just because you have done something, doesn't mean everybody has too. I

know more people like me than I know people like you.

Carol K

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> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:02:12 -0500

> From: " Wanita Sears " <wanitawa@...>

>Subject: Re: Jack LaLanne/Sex/Drugs

>

>Geesh, Chris! Add me to your list of New Englander's who grew up in the late

>60's, early 70's and decided pot sucked then along with other drugs and

>alcohol too.

>

>