Re: Chris/real life can be better exercise

February 5, 2004

In a message dated 2/5/04 5:16:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

michaelantonparker@... writes:

> With all your talk about weight-lifting and everything, why don't you

> just get a part-time job (or even volunteer--the gym is probably not

> paying you!) on a farm and get your exercise that way? Probably

> better for the body and mind... Maybe some fringe benefits for your

> food supply, knowledge base, etc...

> I don't understand the point of gyms--I thought I'd seen posts about

> just doing everything with simple free weight and things anywhere

> that's convenient, like at home...

>

I *like* weight lifting, which is good enough for me. Also, there aren't

many night-jobs on farms ;-)

Kettlebells are even funner!

Chris

February 5, 2004

In a message dated 2/5/04 5:16:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

michaelantonparker@... writes:

> With all your talk about weight-lifting and everything, why don't you

> just get a part-time job (or even volunteer--the gym is probably not

> paying you!) on a farm and get your exercise that way? Probably

> better for the body and mind...

Oh, also, I doubt farming would be as good a way to build muscle. I'm sure

it would be good exercise, but would my nickname be " Mr. Triceps " ? (Some girl

called me that today.)

Chris

February 5, 2004

In a message dated 2/5/04 10:27:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wanitawa@... writes:

> Cows get milked and fed every night on farms. Working out then is what

> " you "

> choose to do with " your " time?

I wasn't referring to when I work out; I was referring to when I have time

for a job. I go to school during the day.

Also, I don't see how I could possibly get a " workout " milking and feeding a

cow. I like to work more than my forearms.

Chris

February 5, 2004

> In a message dated 2/5/04 5:16:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> michaelantonparker@... writes:

>

> > With all your talk about weight-lifting and everything, why don't you

> > just get a part-time job (or even volunteer--the gym is probably not

> > paying you!) on a farm and get your exercise that way? Probably

> > better for the body and mind... Maybe some fringe benefits for your

> > food supply, knowledge base, etc...

> > I don't understand the point of gyms--I thought I'd seen posts about

> > just doing everything with simple free weight and things anywhere

> > that's convenient, like at home...

> >

>

> I *like* weight lifting, which is good enough for me. Also, there aren't

> many night-jobs on farms ;-)

>

> Kettlebells are even funner!

>

> Chris

Cows get milked and fed every night on farms. Working out then is what " you "

choose to do with " your " time?

Wanita

February 5, 2004

>

>Oh, also, I doubt farming would be as good a way to build muscle. I'm sure

>it would be good exercise, but would my nickname be " Mr. Triceps " ? (Some

>girl

>called me that today.)

>

>Chris

Farming might not be a good way to build muscle but it's a good way to

build strength. It depends on what you're after.

February 5, 2004

Functional strength ( farmer ) coupled with eating WD diet I reckon would

illicit ripped muscles

( along with some cardi perhaps dep on u metab )

If you have a look at this training program with the 1 leg squat ect where

it says to do a cpl of reps several times a day

That would equate to workin on a farm all day while not letting lactic acid

build up in the muscles ect

_____

From: Long [mailto:longc@...]

Sent: Friday, 6 February 2004 11:58 AM

Subject: Re: Chris/real life can be better exercise

>

>Oh, also, I doubt farming would be as good a way to build muscle. I'm sure

>it would be good exercise, but would my nickname be " Mr. Triceps " ? (Some

>girl

>called me that today.)

>

>Chris

Farming might not be a good way to build muscle but it's a good way to

build strength. It depends on what you're after.

February 6, 2004

In a message dated 2/5/04 11:50:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, longc@...

writes:

> Farming might not be a good way to build muscle but it's a good way to

> build strength. It depends on what you're after.

Not really. & amp;nbsp; Your load doesn't get progressively heavier in farming, so

you are only going to build strength to a point, and then simply maintain

it. & amp;

nbsp;

By contrast, in a gym you can tailor your workout to build muscle or

strength, and can adjust the magnitude of either according to your goals.

Chris

February 6, 2004

> That would equate to workin on a farm all day while not letting

lactic acid

> build up in the muscles ect

Is it bad to push your muscles to the point where they are sore the

next day because of the acid build up after a workout? I have

always heard people say that's what you want to have happen.

Robin L.

February 6, 2004

wrote:

Your load doesn't get progressively heavier in farming, so

you are only going to build strength to a point, and then simply maintain it

By contrast, in a gym you can tailor your workout to build muscle or

strength, and can adjust the magnitude of either according to your goals.

I hesitate to jump in here as I am not really a person to argue but. . .

have you worked on a farm before?

There is a certain weight to which the common man/woman will lift weights in a

gym, and then they too only maintain the muscle mass they have. Most people

don't go to extremes, and even those people have limits.

I will be 50 next month. Have met many a people who were laborers, farmers,

landscapers etc. who were/are extremely strong and hard as a rock.

The first example is my Dad who was raised on a farm. Started off doing small

chores as a child, and by the time he was 16 was throwing bails of hay onto the

back of a flat bed truck. Solid as a rock and strong.

We just moved into a new home a few months ago and have hired a man to landscape

our backyard. This is the second home he has landscaped for us. I tend to be a

touchy person. Not sexually mind you, I just find myself touching others arms.

I touched my landscaper 's arms the other day and it was literally as hard

as a rock. I was shocked.

Where I live it is quit popular to landscape with moss rock. I have seen this

man who isn't much above 5'6 " lift a rock that probably weighed 150lbs and walk

it across the yard without a grimas on his face.

I think when you are working whether on a farm or whatever, you can gradually

build up your weight you life and the strength.

I know for a fact that I do a lot of gardening. Even though we are having him

landscape the backyard, I am landscaping the front. Planting trees etc. I know

that over the course of the last month since I have been lifting large plants

and trees I have gained a amazing amount of strength.

The other day I was ripping out sod to replace it with plant beds and I was

amazed at how easily I could do it. I would say if I had not had the prior

month to work up to it (lifting large bags of fertilizer and compost) I wouldn't

have been able to rip the sod out. I know to that my legs have gained strength

and were sore for a while.

I have worked out in a gym for many years prior. Lifting weights, using weight

machines, aerobics etc, road bicycle 30 miles a day during my peak period.

In the last 5 years due to health problems my workouts have dwindled down to

non existent.

I only state this to show that I am not ignorant about working out with weights.

I do think people who work hard, I am not talking just milking cows, I mean

lifting large heavy items can gain muscle mass.

Best Regards

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

February 6, 2004

Robin wrote:

Is it bad to push your muscles to the point where they are sore the

next day because of the acid build up after a workout? I have

always heard people say that's what you want to have happen.

Robin,

A warm down is important to flush the lactic acid that may have accumulated, and

bring your muscles back down to a resting state. A warm down that includes

progressively slowing down your activity, as well as stretching, will help

prevent sniffiness and pain the following day.

I am off to go work in the yard. . .

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

February 6, 2004

In a message dated 2/6/04 10:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

dovedesignsrus@... writes:

> have you worked on a farm before?

Sheryl,

You raise good points, and I'm sure farming can lead to a fantastic body over

time. & amp;nbsp; (And yes, I've worked on a farm before.) & amp;nbsp; And it's

probably

true that you can continue getting stronger to some degree by modifying how

you do your work. But in a gym or with my kettlebells, I can tailor my workout

to exactly what I want, I can achieve results *much* faster with *much* less

time spent, and I'm quite sure I could, over time, progress more at the gym than

on a farm.

In order to replace my current exercise regimen, I'd basically have to get a

full-time job at a farm for the rest of my life, which I'm not interested in

doing. & amp;nbsp; Now, I can go to school full-time, work part-time at a job that

pays me two or three times what I'd get as a field hand, and still achieve the

kind of body I want.

Chris

February 6, 2004

In a message dated 2/6/04 6:14:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, longc@...

writes:

> I don't know about that, Chris. I witnessed a big muscular body builder

> type that could have doubled for Arnold in one of the Terminator movies get

> his butt kicked in arm wrestling by a skinny little farm boy who has never

> seen the inside of the gym.

I believe it. I have no desire to attain the body of a professional body

builder, and I doubt they can be considered paragons of fitness.

Personally, I do train in large part to gain muscle mass right now, but I'm

tiny. I don't want to keep gaining forever. But gaining some, I look better,

feel better, have better blood sugar and hormone stability, and my limbs fall

asleep less often. I'd like to maybe make it to 180 pounds, but other than

that, I'm mostly interested in gaining power, not mass. I want my muscle to be

efficient and useful, not there for looks.

That said, at the gym, or using a kettlebell, I can tailor my workout to

attain those goals, whereas on a farm what I achieve is dictated by my work, not

my desires. And I don't need to spend 10 hours a day in the gym to achieve

them either.

Chris

February 6, 2004

> Farming might not be a good way to build muscle but it's a good way to

> > build strength. It depends on what you're after.

>

>Not really. & amp;nbsp; Your load doesn't get progressively heavier in

>farming, so

>you are only going to build strength to a point, and then simply maintain

>it. & amp;

>nbsp;

>

>By contrast, in a gym you can tailor your workout to build muscle or

>strength, and can adjust the magnitude of either according to your goals.

>

>Chris

I don't know about that, Chris. I witnessed a big muscular body builder

type that could have doubled for Arnold in one of the Terminator movies get

his butt kicked in arm wrestling by a skinny little farm boy who has never

seen the inside of the gym. This farmer probably weighed 150-160 at the

most and his arms legs and everything else were skinny. The other guy went

240 or so and had bulging muscles but he didn't have the strength to beat

the farmer in arm wrestling.

>

February 6, 2004

Hey I have never heard of Kettlebells. What are they?

Sheryl

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/6/04 10:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

dovedesignsrus@... writes:

> have you worked on a farm before?

Sheryl,

You raise good points, and I'm sure farming can lead to a fantastic body over

time. & nbsp; (And yes, I've worked on a farm before.) & nbsp; And it's probably

true that you can continue getting stronger to some degree by modifying how

you do your work. But in a gym or with my kettlebells, I can tailor my workout

to exactly what I want, I can achieve results *much* faster with *much* less

time spent, and I'm quite sure I could, over time, progress more at the gym than

on a farm.

In order to replace my current exercise regimen, I'd basically have to get a

full-time job at a farm for the rest of my life, which I'm not interested in

doing. & nbsp; Now, I can go to school full-time, work part-time at a job that

pays me two or three times what I'd get as a field hand, and still achieve the

kind of body I want.

Chris

February 6, 2004

> > Farming might not be a good way to build muscle but it's a good

way to

> > > build strength. It depends on what you're after.

> >

> >Not really. & amp;nbsp; Your load doesn't get progressively heavier

in

> >farming, so

> >you are only going to build strength to a point, and then simply

maintain

> >it. & amp;

> >nbsp;

> >

> >By contrast, in a gym you can tailor your workout to build muscle

or

> >strength, and can adjust the magnitude of either according to your

goals.

> >

> >Chris

>

> I don't know about that, Chris. I witnessed a big muscular body

builder

> type that could have doubled for Arnold in one of the Terminator

movies get

> his butt kicked in arm wrestling by a skinny little farm boy who

has never

> seen the inside of the gym. This farmer probably weighed 150-160 at

the

> most and his arms legs and everything else were skinny. The other

guy went

> 240 or so and had bulging muscles but he didn't have the strength

to beat

> the farmer in arm wrestling.

>

If you want to progress to heavier objects we could start you with 5

gallon buckets full of water, move you to 50 pound sacks of feed then

on to 60# bales of hay, then 75 or 100# sacks of feed. The reps would

be up to you but the distance they were to be carried would be up to

us.

You could also do the hay toss where you throw that 60# bale to the

loft of the barn. After tossing a bunch you could run up the stairs

and stack them neatly. For something to get your blood circulating

you could participate in the goat chasing where we catch the goats to

trim hooves.

Any time you are in the area, just give us a call and we can arrange

a nice little workout for you. <G>

Belinda

February 6, 2004

There are possibly several factors at work there, though. One is that arm

wrestling is very much a skill sport, though obviously strength is also a

factor. The other is that body builders in general, work on developing big

muscles, but you can develop big muscles without getting very strong.

Becoming strong is something that you have to work on, and you don't need to

have big muscles to do it.

From: Long <longc@...>

Reply-

Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:54:10 -0700

Subject: Re: Chris/real life can be better exercise

> Farming might not be a good way to build muscle but it's a good way to

> > build strength. It depends on what you're after.

>

>Not really. & amp;nbsp; Your load doesn't get progressively heavier in

>farming, so

>you are only going to build strength to a point, and then simply maintain

>it. & amp;

>nbsp;

>

>By contrast, in a gym you can tailor your workout to build muscle or

>strength, and can adjust the magnitude of either according to your goals.

>

>Chris

I don't know about that, Chris. I witnessed a big muscular body builder

type that could have doubled for Arnold in one of the Terminator movies get

his butt kicked in arm wrestling by a skinny little farm boy who has never

seen the inside of the gym. This farmer probably weighed 150-160 at the

most and his arms legs and everything else were skinny. The other guy went

240 or so and had bulging muscles but he didn't have the strength to beat

the farmer in arm wrestling.

>

February 6, 2004

Kettlebells are these iron balls with handles on top. A little like

dumbbells, but the weight distribution is different, which makes them better

for ballistic type exercises. what is great about them is that you can

develop workouts with them that are great for cardiovascular health and

endurance, and to some degree, strength. For pure strength, probably

barbells and dumbbells are better, because they allow for incremental

increases in weight, while (at least in America) kettlebells come in fixed

weights. Although there is way too much hype mixed in, you can read about

them more at www.dragondoor.com, and I (and I'm sure) would be glad

to answer any specific questions you may have.

From: Sheryl <dovedesignsrus@...>

Reply-

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:42:09 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: Chris/real life can be better exercise

Hey I have never heard of Kettlebells. What are they?

Sheryl

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/6/04 10:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

dovedesignsrus@... writes:

> have you worked on a farm before?

Sheryl,

You raise good points, and I'm sure farming can lead to a fantastic body

over

time. & nbsp; (And yes, I've worked on a farm before.) & nbsp; And it's probably

true that you can continue getting stronger to some degree by modifying how

you do your work. But in a gym or with my kettlebells, I can tailor my

workout

to exactly what I want, I can achieve results *much* faster with *much* less

time spent, and I'm quite sure I could, over time, progress more at the gym

than

on a farm.

In order to replace my current exercise regimen, I'd basically have to get a

full-time job at a farm for the rest of my life, which I'm not interested in

doing. & nbsp; Now, I can go to school full-time, work part-time at a job that

pays me two or three times what I'd get as a field hand, and still achieve

the

kind of body I want.

Chris

February 6, 2004

That is a big bad thign nowadays ( working to failure ect ect )

I used to do it and it led to a very serious injury I now have.

After MUCH reading I read some amazing things from the strongmen on the very

late 1800's and early 1900's

These guys had amazing bodies but more importantly amazing functional

strength.

1 thing I read in all these books was AVOID fatigue/lactic acid burn

sensation at all costs

Now just with exercises I been doing lately working around my injury

Im noticing much strength gain using this ideal

_____

From: givemeamomenttothink [mailto:deweyli@...]

Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2004 12:35 AM

Subject: Re: Chris/real life can be better exercise

> That would equate to workin on a farm all day while not letting

lactic acid

> build up in the muscles ect

Is it bad to push your muscles to the point where they are sore the

next day because of the acid build up after a workout? I have

always heard people say that's what you want to have happen.

Robin L.

February 6, 2004

Great explantion Gene,

I think they are a great exercise tool. I would love to try them. . .but what

if you did't like them. Then you would have all that money invested.

Sheryl

Gene Schwartz <implode7@...> wrote: