RE: POLITICS -- new laws for qld and kids

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/2/04 8:56:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anthony.byron@... writes:

> They are not eligible for financial assistance ( technically its still

> under

> the parents )

> however the government is going to make it law they will have to find a job

> ect.

Yes, but I asked you how they would enforce it, and you said they wouldn't

give you unemployment insurance, which isn't forcing you at all.

So, while it would be awful if they were actually forcing people to work,

unless you know what they're going to actually do to someone who refuses, the

law

doesn't seem to carry much meaning.

Chris

[Guest guest]

,

> Yeah that is right. What will the punishment be?

> I mean will it be a fine to parents, juvenile hall ( that'll get the

> " community " getting together to spit the dummy lol )

Well if that's the case, that is utterly tyrannical. A couple years ago I

never thought I'd be greatful to live in America, but, if this is the kind of

stuff that's going on in other countries... geez. I thought Austrailia was

fairly liberal.

> But ill let ya know once bill is all through and finalised.

Please do.

> Personally it think it sux a big 1 for what is essentially kids.

Sure. But for everyone-- the idea that the government can force you to work

is just a basic violation of fundamental human rights.

> Hundreds of years ago we spent our days for our little communities doing

> daily chores to help each other out ( some food, some a roof on your heat

> ect ect )

> Then some idiot white man goes. hrm ill modernise society

Hmm. I don't think that's what happened. Modernization's been going on for

a tens of thousands of years, and it wasn't some white man's idea.

> And now we are all worker ants for the man. Who doesn't care if ya die

> along

> the way because there another ant to replace you.

It's important, I think, to distinguish between liberal economics and the

sort of thing that's going on in your neck of the woods. Modern advances have

been the result of liberal ideas, which rested on the idea that every human

being has inalienable rights to freedom and property, which are the fundamental

basis of liberty, while " the man, " i.e. the government, is coercive, tyrannical,

and is based on the idea that a person is the property of the state.

" Working for the man " is the kind of dynamic the folks in power in Austrailia

are

putting into place now (and in America, and elsewhere, but to a lesser extent),

which is just the opposite of the grand ideas " white men " came up with as the

foundation of modern society.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Yeah that is right. What will the punishment be?

I mean will it be a fine to parents, juvenile hall ( that'll get the

" community " getting together to spit the dummy lol )

But ill let ya know once bill is all through and finalised.

Personally it think it sux a big 1 for what is essentially kids.

Hundreds of years ago we spent our days for our little communities doing

daily chores to help each other out ( some food, some a roof on your heat

ect ect )

Then some idiot white man goes. hrm ill modernise society

And now we are all worker ants for the man. Who doesn't care if ya die along

the way because there another ant to replace you.

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From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...]

Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 12:52 PM

Subject: Re: POLITICS -- new laws for qld and kids

In a message dated 2/2/04 8:56:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anthony.byron@... writes:

> They are not eligible for financial assistance ( technically its still

> under

> the parents )

> however the government is going to make it law they will have to find a

job

> ect.

Yes, but I asked you how they would enforce it, and you said they wouldn't

give you unemployment insurance, which isn't forcing you at all.

So, while it would be awful if they were actually forcing people to work,

unless you know what they're going to actually do to someone who refuses,

the law

doesn't seem to carry much meaning.

Chris

[Guest guest]

I was quite shocked to hear about it. I see a BIG issue in australia right

now with a suck ass PM

And that is we seem to be adopting many things from many countries.

IE America gets that new scan system at airports 2 days later Australia

announces doing same thing. Eh

Some other country does something, pretty soon after Australia announces it.

Australia really sux atm. I want to move. Just got to get injury 100% and

then save up and make a runner( somewhere where there raw milk hehe )

It would be interesting below to know what the vision was for the 1st group

of people who tried to put together the first big true society and moving

forward technology wise. I bet they are turning over in their graves now as

they forgot about certain things like greed, no remorsefulness to

nature/people ect

>It's important, I think, to distinguish between liberal economics and the

>sort of thing that's going on in your neck of the woods. Modern advances

have

been the result of liberal ideas, which rested on the idea that every human

being has inalienable rights to freedom and property, which are the

fundamental

basis of liberty, while " the man, " i.e. the government, is coercive,

tyrannical,

and is based on the idea that a person is the property of the state.

" Working for the man " is the kind of dynamic the folks in power in

Austrailia are

putting into place now (and in America, and elsewhere, but to a lesser

extent),

which is just the opposite of the grand ideas " white men " came up with as

the

foundation of modern society.

Chris